Tech: Vista-What's all the fuss about?

Subject: RE: Tech: Vista-What's all the fuss about?
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 31 Mar 08 - 07:09 AM

If you are aiming to run 64 bit processes you need Vista.

I'd hadn't realised (and haven't checked) XP doesn't have a 64 bit version??? I've been using 64 bit OS (linux x86_64) on PCs since 2005 and didn't think that was anything new then.

How's it go with Win on the x86_64? Do you then have to have all 64 bit progs or is it like Linux with 32 bit backwards compatibility?

Subject: RE: Tech: Vista-What's all the fuss about?
From: pavane
Date: 31 Mar 08 - 06:22 AM

Summary:

VISTA does work for some people, mainly those who have new machines, with no old software or hardware to be supported. OK for newcomers to PC.

But there are many cases in which it does NOT work:

1. Software
a) A lot of old software will not run 'out of the box'
b) Some can be persuaded to run by downloading updates.
c) SOME MICROSOFT PACKAGES WILL NO LONGER WORK, due to a deliberate decision by Microsoft. This includes Visual Basic 5 or 6. The only VB supported is VB.Net, which is totally incompatible.

2. Hardware.
a) Many 'OLD' devices will no longer work, including my HP USB printer/scanner which was purchased AFTER Vista was released.
b) For some, new drivers can be downloaded. But even the downloaded Vista driver for my HP printer does not seem to work properly. (It reinstalls itself every time I connect, but as a new instance, so I have multiple copies installed).
c) For other items, NO Vista drivers are available. I am not sure if my ROLAND MIDI player (driven from the serial port) will work under Vista.

I do not think I should have to buy new hardware, new software and rewrite 150,000 lines of program code (HARMONY) just to get a prettier interface.

(If it ain't broke, don't fix it)

Luckily, the old HELP file program still works when downloaded, otherwise I couldn't offer users any online help for my programs.

So yes, it works, and no, it doesn't.....

As to the 'new' ideas like preventing direct access to the hardware, this was standard practice on mainframes from the 1970's, but all the industry knowledge and experience got thrown away by the newcomers. There is a good reason why QDOS was called 'Quick and Dirty'.

There is a huge knowledge base available from old mainframe developers which is unknown to most people who grew up working on PCs. (We find that we constantly have to advise developers and system designers on good practice and technique).

Subject: RE: Tech: Vista-What's all the fuss about?
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 31 Mar 08 - 05:21 AM

Well Joe, if it does well for you, it is a good o/s for you and I don't think we can call you (or anyone else) wrong for liking it. By my observations though, yours to some extent does seem to be a minority view/taste.

I stopped using Windows as a primary o/s when XP came out so Win2K pro (which I think is better than what I saw of XP Home - I've never looked at XP pro) is the last one I used every day.

As pretty much an onlooker, the impressions I had was that amongst the Windows main users, XP was liked and generally thought to be the best o/s MS had ever delivered.

I've not seen similar responses to Vista. Instead, I see PC makers still offering (or I'm told changing back to offering) XP, tales of users "downgrading" and, although vaguely, perhaps some reconsidering Linux (of which personally over the last couple of months, I've set up 2 PCs for friends who want a look at it).

Again being in (what seems to me to be) a minority can't make you wrong - after all, by same same token, I'd have to be wrong favouring Linux wouldn't I? - but I think it's fair to comment that I don't think MS have done a good job in appealing to much of their "fan base" with Vista.

Subject: RE: Tech: Vista-What's all the fuss about?
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 31 Mar 08 - 01:02 AM

Joe -

Do we assume that you've noticed that Word in Office 2007 on Vista uses the document format .docx and not .doc? But if the file contains a macro it's a .docm. Similar changes for other Office programs, like Excel which uses a .xlsx format now.

If you have other older computers in the office, you do need to get to Office Update and get the import/export filters for the older Office versions, so that they'll be able to open files made in Office 2007. Vista Office 2007 will automatically import the older formats, and can export files in compatible formats, but the operator has to shift the gears and steer between the boulders to do it on purpose, if it's needed.

I'm still trying to find credible information about whether Office 2003 and before will run on Vista. (Someone asked up above.) I find hints, brags, lies, and evasions; but nothing actually says yes or no. Recent older versions should be able to run on Vista, but it would be nice to have them tell you before you spend your moneys.

I've also been unable to find a useful description of what's included in the new "Works" version that comes with basic Vista preloads. Early advertising made the claim that the word processor is "real Word" (unlike previous versions) but since the official release of Vista any "official" comment seems to have been replaced by cartoon advertisements with no factual content. Word 2007 is equipped to export to "Works .wps" format, which was used with older versions of Works; but I don't think that's what the WP in the latest Works uses, unless previously published info was another lie.

But I can report that after only 5 months I've stumbled onto a way to make the scroll wheel on my mouse work in Word 2007. The key was discovering that the mouse that Vista reported as being correctly installed and working doesn't exist, isn't connected, and in fact has never been on the same premises where my Vista machine has lived since I got it; and that the mouse I have is not shown in Sys Info or Control Panel. I'm amazed at that improvement in easy management!!!!!

With that last impediment now overcome, I'm so impressed that I may actually start trying to get some serious use out of my new Vista machine - say in about 6 months when I need the laptop at Festival, where don't often need to do anything very complex.

John

Subject: RE: Tech: Vista-What's all the fuss about?
From: Joe Offer
Date: 30 Mar 08 - 08:34 PM

I installed Vista Service Park 1 on my computer last night. For me, if was a 59-megabyte download. Then it took almost an hour to go through the intallation process. I found I had no Internet connection today, so I had to go into my modem's setup software and have it repair my Internet connection. Now everything's OK. All in all, it was a relatively easy procedure.
And I still think Vista and Office 2007 are just fine. I've had them over a year now, with no major problems.

I installed "Office 2007 Professional Plus" on two XP computers at the Women's Center Thursday, and it's working fine (and I'm salivating over the extra features like Publisher and Access). Tomorrow, I'm setting up a new computer with Vista and the all-the-gizmos Office - we got 5 copies of the full-featured Office donated by Microsoft.

-Joe-

Subject: RE: Tech: Vista-What's all the fuss about?
From: Uncle_DaveO
Date: 28 May 07 - 06:50 PM

"Vista and it can't/won't install AOL!" (America Out to Lunch)


That may just be the best thing that can be said about Vista!

Dave Oesterreich

Subject: RE: Tech: Vista-What's all the fuss about?
From: Jim Lad
Date: 28 May 07 - 05:35 PM

There is a Diagnostics to run if you're still having problems.

Subject: RE: Tech: Vista-What's all the fuss about?
From: Jim Lad
Date: 28 May 07 - 05:31 PM

Seems to me that one forum I visited suggested that you install the driver first & then "Surething" & Lightscribe say's the opposite. I had to try both before it worked but can't remember which. I may have un-installed Sure thing and then re-installed it.
There is a

Subject: RE: Tech: Vista-What's all the fuss about?
From: Jim Lad
Date: 28 May 07 - 05:26 PM

Hmm! Did it offer any other destinations? Let me take another look. Also, download their labeler. The lightscribe driver won't be in the 3 1/2 hr Nero download. (which takes 15 minutes at 06:00 hrs. Pacific time)

Subject: RE: Tech: Vista-What's all the fuss about?
From: Effsee
Date: 28 May 07 - 05:13 PM

Thanks Jim. Downloaded and tested the system. The result, a circle of squiggles, did not impress! Probably summat I did wrong!

Subject: RE: Tech: Vista-What's all the fuss about?
From: Jim Lad
Date: 28 May 07 - 04:09 PM

I went here!
Works like a charm.

Subject: RE: Tech: Vista-What's all the fuss about?
From: Jim Lad
Date: 28 May 07 - 04:04 PM

Let me find it for you. Couple of minutes......

Subject: RE: Tech: Vista-What's all the fuss about?
From: Effsee
Date: 28 May 07 - 02:14 PM

Aye, Jim Lad.(I've been dying to say that!Ooh argh.) I've tried the LS download, unfortunately the initial software is bundled on the Nero disc. Tried an update from Nero and it was going to take 3.5 hours to download! I'll figure something out eventually!

Subject: RE: Tech: Vista-What's all the fuss about?
From: oggie
Date: 28 May 07 - 02:06 PM

If you are running Steinberg or Midex music software or hardware (MIDI interfaces for example) check compatibilty because some "older" products are not having drivers issued.

If you are aiming to run 64 bit processes you need Vista, likewise if you run stupid amounts of RAM (VISTA will address 4Gb) the same applies. Son and heir to family overdraft built his machine to run VISTA and in 2 months it hasn't crashed. However because of the first issue above he has set up a XP partition for some of his music applications.

All the best

Steve Ogden

Subject: RE: Tech: Vista-What's all the fuss about?
From: Jim Lad
Date: 28 May 07 - 01:58 PM

Effsee: This will sound stupid to those who haven't had to do it.
For Lightscribe .... go to Lightscribe for your update.
I got so involved with Nero (Still not right), HP & Samsung that I completely missed the obvious.
Lightscribe has the updates while the other manufacturers are still playing catch-up.
While you're there, pick up the "Lightscribe, quick labeler". Very fast & handy for small jobs.

Subject: RE: Tech: Vista-What's all the fuss about?
From: Rasener
Date: 28 May 07 - 01:07 PM

Just got my laptop replaced under insurance. It had Vista on this time instead of XP. I have to say that I have everything running great and all my devices are working perfectly.

Just had to replace the modemm/router today and have all machines running happily wireless.

Nowt wrong with Vista

Subject: RE: Tech: Vista-What's all the fuss about?
From: Effsee
Date: 28 May 07 - 12:54 PM

I eventually got sorted out courtesy of an installation CDROM and a new modem from AOL. I'm still having a helluva job trying to download drivers for my printer`scanner/lightscribe/HP DVD writer/nero etc...otherwise quite impressed with Vista and still learning how to do things differently from XP.

Subject: RE: Tech: Vista-What's all the fuss about?
From: Jim Lad
Date: 28 May 07 - 12:44 PM

Well I'll be!
I was doing my weekly disc clean up and decided to browse through the items which were not "Ticked" for removal. Lo and behold, there was "Previous Windows Installation(s)" 13.7 gigs as well as some associated, temporary files.
A glance up at the top left corner of the box, was a notice advising that I could free up 16.2 Gigs on drive "C" by deleting these.
So I did!
I needed the space but it wasn't Vista which was taking up so much room, it was Windows XP.
As a matter of fact, according to my figures, Vista isn't taking up any more room then previous installations.
Maybe check this out if you're stuck for room as I was.
Problem solved & Vista getting more friendly by the minute.
Cheers!
Jim

Subject: RE: Tech: Vista-What's all the fuss about?
From: GUEST,.gargoyle
Date: 19 May 07 - 09:21 PM

Works grand at work. Good Stuff!!! I think they "have it together" this time.

Sincerely,
Gargoyle

Subject: RE: Tech: Vista-What's all the fuss about?
From: Lynn W
Date: 19 May 07 - 07:02 PM

Does anyone know if Abc Navigator will run on Vista? I am looking to buy a new laptop and it seems I will have to go for Vista, but one of the main uses would be to make my 15000 abc tunes portable, so if Navigator would not run that would be a problem as I don't like other abc programmes half as much.

Subject: RE: Tech: Vista-What's all the fuss about?
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 19 May 07 - 01:15 AM

Any old TRS-80 user remember NEWDOS80?

Subject: RE: Tech: Vista-What's all the fuss about?
From: Jim Lad
Date: 18 May 07 - 05:26 PM

Ah John: You know I'm trying.
I'm guessing you got an autographed copy of the CD and made an extra copy for a friend.
That is not to say that you didn't start the installation at bed time and it didn't work but you didn't it expect it to anyway so it doesn't count.

Subject: RE: Tech: Vista-What's all the fuss about?
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 18 May 07 - 04:43 PM

What I find astounding is that people have become convinced that an operating system--ANY operating system--is something to be interested in. A good operating system should be robust, transparent and small.
Anyone remember CPM, when the operating system occupied 2 K (yes, that's K, not M or G) and was included on every floppy disk?

Subject: RE: Tech: Vista-What's all the fuss about?
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 18 May 07 - 04:39 PM

Jim Lad -

See above, 3d paragraph.

Download and save to a connected machine, then copy the downloaded file to the other machine to install usually is possible.

4th paragraph: The download may not be practical except with a fast connection.

And I would demand that they send the disc, even if I could get the files via download, just for backup purposes, although you could of course burn the download before installing to a CD. If the download is big enough you might have to use a CD just to get it to the other machine.

Microsoft recommends that all WinXP users whose original disks don't include SP2 should download the SP2 patch files. The download is ~800 MB (about 80 hours with my connection). They'll mail you a free CD. Guess which I did.

John

Subject: RE: Tech: Vista-What's all the fuss about?
From: Jim Lad
Date: 18 May 07 - 03:58 PM

John: I think he said, he had lost the Internet and is talking to you from another computer which is why he needs the disc. Mind you, just some of the updates that I've gone after can take several hours at certain times of the day.

Subject: RE: Tech: Vista-What's all the fuss about?
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 18 May 07 - 03:47 PM

The info at the link posted by Jim Lad: http://daol.aol.com/vista says that you can use "AOL® 9.0VR (Windows Vista Ready)" with a dial-up connection.

A link at that page takes you to http://daol.aol.com/software/90vr/ where there is a "Download" button.

You should be able to download the installation files to any machine on which you can connect to that site by selecting "Save" rather than "Run" for the download. After downloading, you should be able to copy the downloaded files to your other (Vista) machine and install them there, usually just by double-clicking the downloaded file. I have to say "should be able to" because there is some variation among software providers in how they allow you to get and install their stuff; but that's the "normal" thing.

Without knowing (because I didn't look) how large the download is, it's impossible to say whether it's practical to get the program via a dial-up connection; but getting any essential program on CD for installation and for permanent backup for later use is nearly always a good idea. If it's not a real inconvenience, waiting for AOL to snail-mail the CD to you should be ok.

The download site may recommend that you not attempt to download the program unless you have a fast connection, but it does state quite specificallly that you can use this program with a simple dial-up connection. The page at the first link above mentions several "add-ons" that you can get after you make a connection with the base program. I would expect that those would also be on the CD, but with AOL guessing is risky.

The download page at the second link above also states that the new program is compatible with earlier Windows versions, so it may be of interest to non-Vista users. There's also a "FAQ" button there that may be of interest.

John

Subject: RE: Tech: Vista-What's all the fuss about?
From: Jim Lad
Date: 18 May 07 - 12:20 PM

"an ethernet connection"?
Heh, heh, heh!
I have absolutely no idea but I've got one and references to it keep showing up. Could be distant relatives from the Etherlands.

Subject: RE: Tech: Vista-What's all the fuss about?
From: Effsee
Date: 18 May 07 - 11:53 AM

Well, after many attempts to phone the helpline number, eventually linked up with the live helpdesk and they are going to send me the appropriate CD ROM to install. Thanks to John & Jim for their help...then reading that last post from RolyH...it would appear I'm not out of the woods yet!
What's "an ethernet connection"?
Sounds like more expense and delay!!

Subject: RE: Tech: Vista-What's all the fuss about?
From: GUEST,RolyH
Date: 18 May 07 - 10:28 AM

None of the standard versions of AOL work with Vista.I puchased a new PC with Vista pre installed. The help desk at AOL informed me that AOL v.9 VR discs were available at Comet,PC World etc.(in the UK) but I found none. After a lot of hassle I managed to get one direct from AOL, but obviously this will only run on a machine pre loaded with Vista.
Also AOL VR will only run with an ethernet connection so all of you with those BT voyager 105 modems will have to change.

I've found it generally more hassle than it's worth.

Subject: RE: Tech: Vista-What's all the fuss about?
From: Stu
Date: 18 May 07 - 05:50 AM

Thank the maker I use a Mac.

Subject: RE: Tech: Vista-What's all the fuss about?
From: Jim Lad
Date: 18 May 07 - 03:04 AM

Sorry. I did check but didn't see it.
Nice job of looking after folks, John.
I'm fairly well out of the woods now.
Cheers!
Jim

Subject: RE: Tech: Vista-What's all the fuss about?
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 18 May 07 - 02:48 AM

That's the version on the "Works with Vista" list a couple of posts above. Mickey doesn't say other versions won't work, but that version would probably be preferable and may be necessary.

If AOL really means it to be "Vista Ready" they apparently have some more cert work to do, but there's no reason to expect it won't be eventually moved up to the other list.

John

Subject: RE: Tech: Vista-What's all the fuss about?
From: Jim Lad
Date: 18 May 07 - 02:23 AM

Effsee: I know I shouldn't be allowed near a computer but does this have any relevance here?,,, "Windows Vista users who wish to use AOL software to enjoy the Internet must install AOL® 9.0VR (Windows Vista Ready)"
I found it here.
Seems to describe your problem.

Subject: RE: Tech: Vista-What's all the fuss about?
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 18 May 07 - 02:19 AM

General Interest:

Legacy programs that otherwise work with Vista may contain Help files in the old .hlp format. Vista no longer supports that format, and apparently you must download the appropriate executable to restore them to their former "usefulness."

The Windows Help (WinHlp32.exe) program is no longer included with Windows operating systems starting with Windows Vista states that the WinHlp32.exe program previously used for reading Help files in .hlp is not included in Vista. It then says it is included. It then says it won't work. It then says you can fix it so it does work. It then says you shouldn't fix it.

… I think…?????

(Obviously this KB article was outsourced to India like most other support functions.)

It's only important if you need it.

I "ASSUME" that Help files are included in Vista, but that they are in .htm, .xml, or jscript files that don't require the WinHlp32.exe.

… … I'm not making any bets either way.

If you have an older program that runs, but won't open its Help files, you can take a look and see if you can figure out what this article says about it.

John

Subject: RE: Tech: Vista-What's all the fuss about?
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 18 May 07 - 02:10 AM

FOR AOL PEOPLE ONLY(?)

March 2007 Windows Vista Application Compatibility Update KB 932246, indicates availability of a Vista update to support incompatibilies in some programs. The "AOL Safety and Security Center 2.5.4.1" is included.

This update includes a prior update, KB929427, which provided a compatibility fix for the 64-bit version of "AOL 9.0 - x64." I wouldn't expect you to be using the 64-bit version.

Applications that have earned the "Certified for Windows Vista" logo or the "Works with Windows Vista" logo KB 933305.

This KB article lists third party software that has been tested and verified as "Certified for Windows Vista." This means that the listed software meets all requirements for use with Vista and contains no "unapproved" code.

No AOL programs appear on this "certified" list.

The article also lists software that has been tested and verified as "Works with Windows." This means that the program has been run, and caused no obvious problems, but usually means that it has not been verified that non-compliant code does not exist in the program.

The following AOL programs are listed:

Company     Program Name
AOL LLC.      AIM 6
AOL LLC.      AOL 9.0 VR
AOL LLC.      AOL Mail and AIM Gadget
AOL LLC.      AOL OpenRide

Typically (for AOL) no version numbers were provided for the programs tested.

Unlisted programs are not necessarily incompatible as there appears to be a substantial backlog of programs that have simply not completed the approval processes.

I do not find any KB/TechNet/DesNet articles that cite any particular problems with AOL vs Vista, so I assume that most users have not had problems specific to AOL installation.

John

Subject: RE: Tech: Vista-What's all the fuss about?
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 18 May 07 - 01:58 AM

How to use User Account Control (UAC) in Windows Vista KB922708 may be of help with installing programs. It gives some simple steps you can take, and sort of explains how to make them happen. It also suggests, a bit too subtly perhaps, some reasons why the recommended steps may not work.

IF YOU REALLY WANT TO REACH THE HIGH PLATEAU OF UNDERSTANDING NECESSARY TO BE A VISTABATOR:

Understanding and Configuring User Account Control in Windows Vista runs through the basics of logging in and what you can do when logged in.

As this is a Tech Net article, you can't save the page. There is a "printable version" available. I would ordinarily suggest that you copy from the printable version and paste into Word if you want to save a copy, but my attempts to do so appeared to encounter blocking – or some other causes of failure. The article is really long (35 pages or so), and printing appears to be the only immediately available option if you want to be able to study it offline. A bookmark may be the best you can do.

EVEN IF IT DOESN'T LOOK INTERESTING NOW, I'D SUGGEST A BOOKMARK FOR WHEN YOU NEED IT!

The critical new feature is that even when you log on as an Administrator, you do NOT GET immediate Administrator access and privileges.

If "real" Administrator authority is required, for each instance that requires an action to be done by an Administrator, an "instance login" using the Administrator password must be done to authorize the specific procedure requested.

If you're logged in as a User authorized to invoke Administrator authority, you will be informed when you need to enter the Administrator password associated with your current user account.

You may not see the "request for login" if you try to install software or perform another Administrator action, if your current account doesn't have authorization to "be an Administrator when necessary," and the "run as" option available in WinXP appears to no longer be available for users without Administrator privies.

This article is written for IT Administrators, so the later sections contain information that may not be essential for individual users in a home setup. Without a hands-on Vista to look at, I can't recommend where it's safe to stop reading; but recommend that everyone who intends to use Vista without a good Tech Support guru should probably read at least the first dozen pages.

It may evenutally turn out to be less important than it looks, but for now it looks like something that can attack and maul you and cause permanent bleeding ulcerating sores (at least figuratively) if you don't understand at least the basics.

John

Subject: RE: Tech: Vista-What's all the fuss about?
From: Jim Lad
Date: 18 May 07 - 12:30 AM

Can't uninstall Vista unless you own a Windows XP or other Windows Office disc. Upgrades won't do it.
Fair enough, I suppose but they've taken the others off the shelf.
Hmm! What do you call a crook in a collar & tie?

On the bright side ....
It's a beautiful package.

Subject: RE: Tech: Vista-What's all the fuss about?
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 17 May 07 - 10:55 PM

"Vista and it can't/won't install AOL!"

Every year, millions of cuttlefish migrate to certain areas of the world to spawn.



Some mysteries are just beyond human understanding.

Subject: RE: Tech: Vista-What's all the fuss about?
From: Effsee
Date: 17 May 07 - 04:17 PM

OK John, thanks for that. I think I'm going to have to e-mail them from this set up as I can't even get on-line with the new one.
I'll keep you informed. Thanks again.

Subject: RE: Tech: Vista-What's all the fuss about?
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 17 May 07 - 03:54 PM

I haven't seen anything about AOL that's specific to Vista, but there have been numerous Microsoft Knowledge Base and Tech Notes articles about AOL incompatibilities with virtually all previous Windows versions. There have been solutions, or at least "work-arounds" for all the problems that I've seen previously reported.

Vista does have significantly altered software installation protections, and it may just be a matter of figuring out the proper "authorizations" for the install. An implication in some info that I've seen is that even if you're running with Administrator authority, you may need to elect a "Run as" and run a separate login as a user with Administrator authority (which can be the same user already logged on), including appropriate password, to specifically approve allowing some installations to proceed. This supposedly prevents malware from making an unattended installation if you just "happen" to leave the machine open with a power-user logged on.

As I don't have a Vista setup to look at, it's probably ridiculous to suggest that Vista Help files may cover this, but I suppose it wouldn't hurt to look. Assuming Start|Help in Vista is like WinXP, you can allow a "Find" to show you Knowledge Base and other Web info in addition to what's on your machine.

John

Subject: RE: Tech: Vista-What's all the fuss about?
From: Effsee
Date: 17 May 07 - 03:10 PM

Any of you Vista users on AOL? I've just got a new pooter with Vista and it can't/won't install AOL! Big help! JiK, any assistance would be appreciated. From anyone else too of course. I'll try this way first before going to the "help desk".

Subject: RE: Tech: Vista-What's all the fuss about?
From: Jim Lad
Date: 16 May 07 - 10:57 PM

Heh, heh!
I'm completely lost with it. A great source of entertainment for my friends.

Subject: RE: Tech: Vista-What's all the fuss about?
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 16 May 07 - 09:50 PM

Well, that was years ago - haven't you heard about "second childhood"?!!!

Subject: RE: Tech: Vista-What's all the fuss about?
From: Jim Lad
Date: 16 May 07 - 09:24 PM

Mature?
oooooooooooooo....
hmm!

Subject: RE: Tech: Vista-What's all the fuss about?
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 16 May 07 - 09:13 PM

"Programs are not allowed to connect directly to hardware, but must use "program functions" included in the OS instruction set to request that information be passed to and from hardware. "

You know when I did CS101 - Operating Systems 25+ years ago as a "Mature Age Student" - that seemed to be a basic given...

Subject: RE: Tech: Vista-What's all the fuss about?
From: michaelr
Date: 16 May 07 - 08:57 PM

John in Kansas -- thanks for taking the time to explain. I'm not at all sure I understand all of it, but I'll read it again. Appreciate the effort.

Cheers,
Michael

Subject: RE: Tech: Vista-What's all the fuss about?
From: Jim Lad
Date: 16 May 07 - 07:46 PM

BanjoRay: After a whole week of trying to recover drivers and upgrade programs to suit Vista, (successfully, I might add) I can honestly say that I wouldn't pay the money just to upgrade from any Windows application.
It's really nice but not worth the hassle. As a matter of fact, wouldn't you be losing some features?

Subject: RE: Tech: Vista-What's all the fuss about?
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 16 May 07 - 07:28 PM

Just noticed info that mentions that Vista has been impacted by malware that piggybacks on the auto MS update SW.

Anybody remember that old song (which just partly popped in my head)

"Close the door, they're coming thru the windows!"

Subject: RE: Tech: Vista-What's all the fuss about?
From: Joe Offer
Date: 16 May 07 - 03:47 PM

The title of this article intrigued me:

Microsoft: A law firm pretending to be an army pretending to be a software company

Subject: RE: Tech: Vista-What's all the fuss about?
From: Jim Lad
Date: 14 May 07 - 12:02 PM

So:
   How do you unistall it?