Cutty Sark fire: what happens now?

Subject: RE: Cutty Sark fire: what happens now?
From: GUEST,henryp
Date: 12 Mar 18 - 10:35 AM

The tea chests on board the Cutty Sark can be removed to reveal the Michael Edwards Studio Theatre, seating 85 people.

You can celebrate St Patrick's Day there with a traditional Irish ceilidh on Saturday 17 March 2018.

And there's another performance space - the Sammy Ofer gallery - in the dry dock underneath the hull of the Cutty Sark.

Subject: RE: Cutty Sark fire: what happens now?
From: GUEST,Teribus
Date: 12 Mar 18 - 09:04 AM

Great to see the restored Cutty Sark at Greenwich and also reports on the progress with regard to the City of Adelaide/Carrick which has now been rescued from the hands of the Scottish Maritime Museum and transported to Adelaide where she will be restored to sailing condition - massive job - good luck to them.

Subject: RE: Cutty Sark fire: what happens now?
From: DaveRo
Date: 12 Mar 18 - 04:19 AM

Is it now fully back in its glory?

It's back, but I don't know anyone who thinks it looks better now that they've built a curved glass building over the dry dock, which contains an exhibition centre. From a distance it looks like it's sitting on a cushion. You can't see the whole ship any more.

Cutty Sark wins Carbuncle Cup 2012/

I would advise people who haven't seen Cutty Sark to wait 'til they restore it again.

Meanwhile, there are more interesting and impressive preserved ships - H.M.S. Warrior in Portsmouth is my favourite.

Subject: RE: Cutty Sark fire: what happens now?
From: Jack Campin
Date: 12 Mar 18 - 04:08 AM

The Scottish fiddler Carol Anderson was working on it a while back - something to do with the rigging, I think - and for all I know still is. So if you see her there, ask where you can hear her playing, you won't regret it.

Subject: RE: Cutty Sark fire: what happens now?
From: Joe Offer
Date: 11 Mar 18 - 11:09 PM

Micca took me to see the Cutty Sark in 2002, and I see above that he took Chanteyranger there in 2001. Good thing we have people like Micca to enlighten us Californians. If I had been traveling on my own, I might have missed it - and it was one of the most memorable sights of London for me.
Is it now fully back in its glory?

Thanks for letting us know about the replica, Bruce.

-Joe-

Subject: RE: Cutty Sark fire: what happens now?
From: Bruce D
Date: 11 Mar 18 - 08:30 PM

Good news for fans of the Cutty Sark, a full scale replica is about to be built.

https://www.facebook.com/cutty.sark.replica

http://cutty-sark.org/

Bruce D

Subject: RE: Cutty Sark fire: what happens now?
From: GUEST,henryp
Date: 15 May 12 - 11:32 AM

Saturday 19 May BBC2 TV 8.00pm
Cutty Sark: National Treasure Reopened
Documentary about the Cutty Sark and those responsible for bringing her back to life.

Subject: RE: Cutty Sark fire: what happens now?
From: Charley Noble
Date: 28 Apr 12 - 08:45 PM

Here's a link to a vintage print of how sailors who are not wimps should "man the yards": click here for PIX!

Cheerily,
Charley Noble

Subject: RE: Cutty Sark fire: what happens now?
From: GUEST,Charles Macfarlane
Date: 28 Apr 12 - 03:54 PM

> Subject: RE: Cutty Sark fire: what happens now?
> From: GUEST,CJB
> Date: 27 Apr 12 - 11:00 AM
>
> But I always remember that great sequence in the first
> series of the recent Hornblower t.v. films. The Brits had
> raided and invaded a French ship and fought of the
> 'frogs.' Then Hornblower climbed up the ratlines to get to
> one of the yards in order to hand the sail, he stepped
> onto where the footlines should have been, and suddenly
> discovered that the French rigging of the day did not have
> footropes (or the French had removed them). Anyway he fell
> into the ocean and was saved by of of his watch.
>
> CJB

I'm sorry to have to say it, but both the film starring Gregory Peck and the TV series of Hornblower are crap compared with the original books. I've been a C S Forrester fan all my life, and have read most, actually I think all, of the Hornblower books at least twice.

The thing that is remarkable about the books is their realism. This realism is lost in the TV series because the idiots who make them have watched far too many trashy modern American movies of the one-man-against-a-world-conspiracy type and feel that they have to melodramatise everything.

Thus that sequence of Hornblower finding there were no footropes comes just after or before, I can't remember which, him reencountering the senior midshipman from his previous ship who had made his life a misery, and with whom he'd fought a duel, and who is more intent on revenge on Hornblower than his duty to navy and country. The idea that anybody so junior as a midshipman would dare to disobey orders, let alone attempt to kill a fellow officer in the middle of an engagement, is just not credible.

In the book, "Mr Midshipman Hornblower", what actually happens is that after the duel he leaves behind the ill-fated first ship with its sick captain, and never encounters that midshipman ever again.

When 'cutting-out' the French ship, he feels for the footrope with his feet, and, realising that there's nothing there, and that, although he's scared of heights, there's nothing for it but to walk along the yard, that's what he and his detachment do.

I would recommend anyone who watches the TV series to switch them off, go down to their local library or shop, and read the books instead. They are infinitely more rewarding.

Also, if you want to read the book that probably gave someone the idea for the Sharpe series, read "Death To The French" by the same author.

There was also a rather poor film made of his excellent book "The Gun".

Subject: RE: Cutty Sark fire: what happens now?
From: Charley Noble
Date: 28 Apr 12 - 03:54 PM

Keith-

Yes, that the way that real men man the yards. I've got a couple of photos in my nautical archives of the sailors manning the yards like that on real ships in review.

I don't recommend the practice in general but in battle situations 19th century sailors would sometimes run out to the yard end to do some critical piece of work.

Cheerily,
Charley Noble

Subject: RE: Cutty Sark fire: what happens now?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 28 Apr 12 - 02:54 PM

Here is a mast being manned as Charlie would have approved.
They are boys at the Ganges training establishment.
My mother's brother was there leaving early to serve in WW2 aged 16.
Boys sometimes fell and died.
http://www.hmsgangestoterror.org/shotley/hmsganges.htm

Subject: RE: Cutty Sark fire: what happens now?
From: beachcomber
Date: 28 Apr 12 - 11:06 AM

I had the great delight of going aboard "Cutty Sark" way back in the early sixties, but I don't remember any door cut through her hull for admission ? I will never forget the sight of her as we approached, dry dock notwithstanding, her towering masts and yards all fully rigged. They had huge bales replicated and stacked down below , to simulate cargo but there was little or no "interpretation" to be seen anywhere.
I suppose that the sailing ship as epitomised by "Cutty Sark" , must have been , by far, the most beautiful and romantic method ever devised by man for the transportation of goods.
Yes I know that it meant hardships that are unknown today and would be intolerable but the sight of a ship, of any sailing rig , fully canvassed and with a fair wind must have been wonderful.
The tall ships race came here a few years ago and the ships were indeed awesome but it was "overload". One ship, sailing past, close enough initially to hear the sounds of her passage and eventually disappearing over a deserted horizon, that is how I would want to see such a vessel.
An old man told me, when I was a youngster that a neighbour of his came home from the US by sailing ship one time.The neighbour told him that on the second day out of New York, in a gale of wind, they saw a steamship on the horizon ahead. It too was bound for Ireland but they overhauled it and by sundown it had vanished again, left hull down behind them.

Subject: RE: Cutty Sark fire: what happens now?
From: GUEST,CJB
Date: 27 Apr 12 - 11:00 AM

Foot-ropes were the norm in the British Royal Navy / Merchant Navy for handing sails aloft.

No-one in their right mind would stand on top of the yards especially at sea. Although having said that you might see it when crew dress a ship during a parade of sail at a tall ships gathering. But that is showing off, and safety lines are always used for clipping on to.

But I always remember that great sequence in the first series of the recent Hornblower t.v. films. The Brits had raided and invaded a French ship and fought of the 'frogs.' Then Hornblower climbed up the ratlines to get to one of the yards in order to hand the sail, he stepped onto where the footlines should have been, and suddenly discovered that the French rigging of the day did not have footropes (or the French had removed them). Anyway he fell into the ocean and was saved by of of his watch.

CJB


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Subject: RE: Cutty Sark fire: what happens now?
From: Charley Noble
Date: 27 Apr 12 - 08:03 AM

Keith-

That's really nice to see as well.

I note that they are standing on the footropes rather than the yards themselves. I suppose insurance wouldn't cover them if they had done the latter. I certainly wouldn't have done it without a parachute.

Cheerily,
Charley Noble

Subject: RE: Cutty Sark fire: what happens now?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 27 Apr 12 - 03:06 AM

I had you in mind when I posted Charlie.
Here she is with her rigging manned for the Queen.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/visualfield/6966116510/

Subject: RE: Cutty Sark fire: what happens now?
From: Charley Noble
Date: 24 Apr 12 - 09:37 AM

Keith-

She certainly looks wicked sharp!

Thanks for the links.

Charley Noble

Subject: RE: Cutty Sark fire: what happens now?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 24 Apr 12 - 08:52 AM

And, a video report here.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-17819755

Subject: RE: Cutty Sark fire: what happens now?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 24 Apr 12 - 08:48 AM

Slide show of the the restoration and finished job.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-17818532

Subject: RE: Cutty Sark fire: what happens now?
From: Catherine Jayne
Date: 04 Feb 12 - 07:21 PM

We watched the documentary the other evening. It was wonderful to see the restoration. We're going to visit with the kids when she's open to the public in the spring!

Subject: RE: Cutty Sark fire: what happens now?
From: bradfordian
Date: 04 Feb 12 - 04:37 PM

I have just watched the documentary on the restoration. Fascinating! Do watch it on iplayer before the week is out! Some interestng archive film in there. Great she survived the fire. And £50million for the restortion. That's only £1million over the next 50 years. Wonder if that money would have been available if we did not have the British lottery. What price heritage though, eh? I think they did the right thing.

Subject: RE: Cutty Sark fire: what happens now?
From: bradfordian
Date: 04 Feb 12 - 09:38 AM

Article here

Anyone at Shanty UK been invited????

Subject: RE: Cutty Sark fire: what happens now?
From: Charley Noble
Date: 04 Feb 12 - 09:13 AM

I do hope they revive the traditional sea music program in association with this ship's restoration.

Cheerily,
Charley Noble

Subject: RE: Cutty Sark fire: what happens now?
From: bradfordian
Date: 04 Feb 12 - 09:08 AM

The program "Cutty Sark: National Treasure" is shown again TODAY (Sat)20:00GMT on BBC2-Wales ONLY.
Anyone in Wales with a recorder?
It is also available to UK residents for next 6 days on BBC Iplayer

Subject: RE: Cutty Sark fire: what happens now?
From: Greg B
Date: 04 Feb 12 - 08:29 AM

Are they going to make access to go aboard a proper gangway to deck level rather than the hideous door cut right through her hull that was there before?

Subject: RE: Cutty Sark fire: what happens now?
From: Kampervan
Date: 04 Feb 12 - 06:06 AM

They've raised her up so that there's access underneath her, and built a glass canopy all round her at the same height as the water level would be if she were afloat.

So as you look at her she now seems to float in a sea of glass and there will be a visitor centre beneath the glass canopy so that you can see the whole of the hull.

When she sat on her keel she weas collapsing under her own weight, ships are made to float, not sit on the bottom! So now she's been reinforced and is supported around her waist so the risk of long term damage is greatly reduced.

It's going to be a wonderful sight when it's finished.

K/van

Subject: RE: Cutty Sark fire: what happens now?
From: Manitas_at_home
Date: 04 Feb 12 - 03:48 AM

It's in the same location but has been resting on it's keel for the last 50 years, which it wasn't designed to do. They have repaired the dry dock, which was found to be crumbling, and jacked up the ship by 9 metres to stand proud of the dock.

Subject: RE: Cutty Sark fire: what happens now?
From: Joe Offer
Date: 04 Feb 12 - 03:27 AM

It appears to me that the ship is much higher than it was when I saw it several years ago. When I saw it back then, it seemed to be wallowing in concrete. Is it in the same location, or has it been moved to a new site? From the photos, it appears to be more-or-less the same location.

Can somebody who has seen it recently, give us a description of how it will be displayed, as opposed to how it looked before the fire?

-Joe-

Subject: RE: Cutty Sark fire: what happens now?
From: Sandra in Sydney
Date: 04 Feb 12 - 03:17 AM

I spend a lot of time last night on the Cutty Sark website looking at the restoration pics - what a masterpiece, I look forward to hearing about the opening & the first shanty sing there

sandra

Subject: RE: Cutty Sark fire: what happens now?
From: Manitas_at_home
Date: 04 Feb 12 - 02:45 AM

There was a documentary about the restoration on BBC2 last night. It has been lifted off it's keel and is covered by a glass canopy now. It's due to open to the public this spring.

Subject: RE: Cutty Sark fire: what happens now?
From: ChanteyLass
Date: 03 Feb 12 - 10:51 PM

Lovely, that!

Subject: RE: Cutty Sark fire: what happens now?
From: Charley Noble
Date: 03 Feb 12 - 07:20 AM

Thanks, Keith.

Cheerily,
Charley Noble

Subject: RE: Cutty Sark fire: what happens now?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 03 Feb 12 - 05:35 AM

BBC video report of restoration.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-16842625

Subject: RE: Cutty Sark fire: what happens now?
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 12 Dec 11 - 04:31 PM

Great news about the restoration!

Subject: RE: Cutty Sark fire: what happens now?
From: GUEST,Suibhne Astray
Date: 12 Dec 11 - 03:27 PM

We fetched up in Greenwich the other weekend after a London gig - just for an hour on a Sunday morning & had a wander before heading to Subway for breakfast then on to Whipsnade Zoo. Saw Cutty Sark as we wandered around the Nautical College by the river but was unaware of the fire. Fascinating thread...

Subject: RE: Cutty Sark fire: what happens now?
From: GUEST,henryp
Date: 12 Dec 11 - 01:46 PM

The obvious person is Chris Roche; see the Shanty Crew site.

I assume this notice dates from before the fire; The Shanty Crew can be found aboard the old tea clipper 'Cutty Sark' at Greenwich, London, on the second Sunday of every month. We can rightly say that we are proud to be the only shanty group anywhere in the world to have a regular gig aboard a tea clipper. Call the ship for details on [phone].

Subject: RE: Cutty Sark fire: what happens now?
From: Charley Noble
Date: 11 Dec 11 - 08:39 PM

Jack-

Some nautical tunes certainly would be appropriate. But there should also be some rousing shanties. Who would be in the area to lead some shanties?

Cheerily,
Charley Noble, based in Maine

Subject: RE: Cutty Sark fire: what happens now?
From: Pistachio
Date: 11 Dec 11 - 06:46 PM

wow, the wonders of Mudcat - thanks for the update Charley. I had an interest in the thread as my Father took my family aboard the Carrick(Adelaide) in the 70s as it was his RNVR (Royal Naval Volunteer Reserve) CLub location, moored, in Glasgow on the Clyde.
Regards Hazel (in Beverley near Hull)

Subject: RE: Cutty Sark fire: what happens now?
From: GUEST,Jack Campin
Date: 10 Dec 11 - 02:10 PM

There is a weekly traditional English tune session five minutes walk away:

http://www.greentrad.org.uk/

They'll have something in mind.

Subject: RE: Cutty Sark fire: what happens now?
From: Charley Noble
Date: 10 Dec 11 - 11:52 AM

I did get a chance to stop by the Cutty Sark while I was in the UK last year. There wasn't a whole lot to see at the time as she was still under "wraps" but I later got to view the saloon and masts that thankfully had been removed before the blaze, stored at the Chatham Shipyard.

Now the masts have been re-installed and she will be re-opened to the public next April. It would be appropriate to have some nautical singing at this special event. Is anyone planning that far ahead? Here's the summary from a recent e-mail I received:

"The masts on the Cutty Sark are being raised for the first time since the fire which gutted the famous ship in south-east London in 2007.

A crane has put the foremast in place on the 19th Century tea clipper in Greenwich, while two other masts are due to be added over the weekend.

After several delays in repairing the vessel, it is due to be officially reopened by the Queen in late April."

Cheerily,
Charley Noble

Subject: RE: Cutty Sark fire: what happens now?
From: Charley Noble
Date: 19 Aug 10 - 08:21 AM

I'll be doing some research at the National Maritime Museum in Greenwich September 2 and while there I'll also be checking on what progress has been made in rebuilding the clipper ship Cutty Sark.

According to her website about two-thirds of the hull has been rebuilt. Here's a link to some photos: click here for images

Maybe I'll sing a few verses to her from "By the Old Pagoda Anchorage."

Cheerily,
Charley Noble

Subject: RE: Cutty Sark fire: what happens now?
From: Pierre Le Chapeau
Date: 16 Feb 10 - 06:34 AM

I was talking to a Caretaker in Greenwich and the glass sea I described above is destined to be Bottle Green color with White glass streaks to represent White horses in respect of waves ?
The metal superstructure on the inside of the Cutty Sark that forms the ribs of the ship were in a very bad state in regards to rust prior to the fire now they are warped and rusted because of the heat of the fire so work now is twice harder because some of the ribs forward in the ship have had to be replaced and getting the ribs out is no easy task,I look forward to seeing the completed job?

Subject: RE: Cutty Sark fire: what happens now?
From: GUEST
Date: 15 Feb 10 - 11:41 AM

Bruce D; I'm afraid that I can't take it any further. Garth has now died, and I believe that his brother died before him.

Subject: RE: Cutty Sark fire: what happens now?
From: Bruce D
Date: 13 Feb 10 - 12:45 AM

......"From: GUEST,Henryp - PM Date: 12 Feb 10 - 07:33 AM
My friend at work, Garth Harper, told me that his elder brother, as a cadet, was one of the crew who sailed the Cutty Sark from Falmouth to Greenhithe. Garth retired several years ago, and I think his brother was some years older than him."...................

If That it the case then my Father must know him and The association of Worcester and Conrad old cadets don't know his where about's. The Association meets quite regularly and even has a Australian & New Zealand sub-branch, I was at their one of their Melbourne meeting a few years ago. Garth's older brother would have to be in his late eighties.

Bruce D

Subject: RE: Cutty Sark fire: what happens now?
From: Pierre Le Chapeau
Date: 12 Feb 10 - 03:11 PM

By all accounts the waves will be fashioned of Green glass,
Hence the dry dock will be covered and the surround of the ship
covered in a weather proof observation gallery.

They also are replating her copper hull which should be interesting. Thereby the enterence fee to get on board will have trebled.
Regards Pierre

Subject: RE: Cutty Sark fire: what happens now?
From: Charley Noble
Date: 12 Feb 10 - 02:48 PM

She'll be featured as "The Largest Ship-in-a-Bottle."

Brilliant!

Charley Noble

Subject: RE: Cutty Sark fire: what happens now?
From: Pierre Le Chapeau
Date: 12 Feb 10 - 01:31 PM

Prior to the fire Cuttys Hull was in the dry dock . From what I understand from a recent newspaper cutting she will be ready for the 2012 Olympics.
She will be set on a sea of Mirrored glass and surounded by a glass viewing area.
I live in Greenwich and get the Locsl free Greenwich council newspaper,

Subject: RE: Cutty Sark fire: what happens now?
From: GUEST,punkfolkrocker
Date: 12 Feb 10 - 01:30 PM

what a perfect opportunity to rig out that old pile of charred logs
with huge jumbo jet wings and engines,
or even a full scale Zeppelin style ballon instead of boring old sails..

wow, huge helicopter rotor blades at each end as well would be brilliant..

.. nows time to give that burnt out hulk a good proper "Steam punk" pimping !!!

Then it could be one of the best underground night clubs in London
since Woolwich had that moored up 2nd hand Russian Sub back in the 90's.

Subject: RE: Cutty Sark fire: what happens now?
From: Charley Noble
Date: 12 Feb 10 - 01:11 PM

Another contrast, a positive one, is what the Mystic Seaport Museum here in the States is doing with their classic whaling ship the Charles W. Morgan. She was built way back in the 1840's and last year they hauled her out, propped her up, and are doing a major rebuild of the hull. And the plan is to actually sail her when the job's complete. Now that's vision!

Here's a link to an image of the Charles W. Morgan:
click here for image!

Cheerily,
Charley Noble

Subject: RE: Cutty Sark fire: what happens now?
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 12 Feb 10 - 01:00 PM

It's a bit like people who think that folk music needs to include modern compositions.

Subject: RE: Cutty Sark fire: what happens now?
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 12 Feb 10 - 12:38 PM

Why not put wheels on it and drive it from town to town as a mobile exhibit?

This Saturday from Noon until 6 PM, see the famous Cutty Sark here in Sainsbury's Car Park! Pirate hats available for the children, who will be piped aboard at 20 minute intervals, given a short tour, then forced to "walk the plank", jumping into a plastic ball pit! A small fee will be charged.