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GUEST,282ra 22 May 07 - 04:17 PM
Rapparee 22 May 07 - 04:41 PM
KB in Iowa 22 May 07 - 04:47 PM
Peace 22 May 07 - 04:48 PM
Peace 22 May 07 - 04:49 PM
Don Firth 22 May 07 - 04:51 PM
WFDU - Ron Olesko 22 May 07 - 05:15 PM
GUEST,282ra 22 May 07 - 05:20 PM
Don Firth 22 May 07 - 05:22 PM
Don Firth 22 May 07 - 05:23 PM
Donuel 22 May 07 - 05:26 PM
Rapparee 22 May 07 - 05:30 PM
Barry Finn 22 May 07 - 05:33 PM
WFDU - Ron Olesko 22 May 07 - 05:33 PM
JohnInKansas 22 May 07 - 05:47 PM
John Hardly 22 May 07 - 05:55 PM
GUEST,Art Thieme 22 May 07 - 06:13 PM
GUEST,282ra 22 May 07 - 06:34 PM
GUEST,TIA 22 May 07 - 06:58 PM
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Deckman 22 May 07 - 07:13 PM
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Peace 22 May 07 - 08:14 PM
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Donuel 23 May 07 - 09:01 AM
WFDU - Ron Olesko 23 May 07 - 09:32 AM
Ron Davies 23 May 07 - 09:58 PM
282RA 24 May 07 - 09:59 AM
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Subject: BS: SHOCKER: Dems Fold to Bush
From: GUEST,282ra
Date: 22 May 07 - 04:17 PM

Our tax dollars at work


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Subject: RE: BS: SHOCKER: Dems Fold to Bush
From: Rapparee
Date: 22 May 07 - 04:41 PM

Yeah, Obama said this would happen a month or so ago.


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Subject: RE: BS: SHOCKER: Dems Fold to Bush
From: KB in Iowa
Date: 22 May 07 - 04:47 PM

They really don't have much choice. Bush will veto anything with an end date and congress can't just zero out the funding. It is going to take some time to bring this thing to a close.


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Subject: RE: BS: SHOCKER: Dems Fold to Bush
From: Peace
Date: 22 May 07 - 04:48 PM

With this the Dems kiss goodbye the 2008 Presidency.


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Subject: RE: BS: SHOCKER: Dems Fold to Bush
From: Peace
Date: 22 May 07 - 04:49 PM

"Bush will veto anything with an end date and congress can't just zero out the funding."

And knowing that the Dems should have stayed wit a funding that allows for no escalation, let Bush veto it and be the bad guy.


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Subject: RE: BS: SHOCKER: Dems Fold to Bush
From: Don Firth
Date: 22 May 07 - 04:51 PM

No "SHOCKER" to anyone who was watcing closely. I was pretty sure that this is the way it would play out. If you followed the career of this legislation at all, it was obvious that the Democrats were not going to win this round. It's not exactly like the Democrats "folded." The fight isn't over yet.

Before going off half-cocked, you might want to read the salient paragraphs:
But acknowledging the political realities of the Democrats' narrow control of Congress and a White House occupied by a Republican, Hoyer told reporters, "The president has made it very clear he's not going to sign timelines (for withdrawing troops). We can't pass timelines over his veto."

That will be a disappointment for many Democrats who think they won control of Congress in last November's elections largely because voters wanted to see an end to the four-year-old war in Iraq.

Hoyer said Democrats will continue pushing for a "change in direction" in Iraq, where at least 3,420 U.S. soldiers have been killed and more than 34,000 wounded.

"Certainly we'll do it in July when Mr. Murtha's bill is on the floor," Hoyer said.

He was referring to Rep. John Murtha, the Pennsylvania Democrat who has led efforts in the House of Representatives to end U.S. combat involvement in the Iraq war. In July, Murtha will shepherd a military funding bill through the House for the next fiscal year, which begins on October 1.
Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: SHOCKER: Dems Fold to Bush
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 22 May 07 - 05:15 PM

"With this the Dems kiss goodbye the 2008 Presidency. "

Most of the country is too busy watching the finals of American Idol to take notice. With nearly 18 months to go, this will be forgotten and the Dems have a chance.


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Subject: RE: BS: SHOCKER: Dems Fold to Bush
From: GUEST,282ra
Date: 22 May 07 - 05:20 PM

Big deal. A house bill. yippee.

Won't get passed the Senate. This bill will get through and it will get signed. The pubs get exactly what they want and just made huge fools of the dems who may as well have dug in and shown Bush the same stubbornness he shows everyone else. But they folded. This war has just been funded for another year and Congress now has absolutely NO LEVERAGE to force this issue before the next fiscal year by which time our military will be bled bone dry. Then Congress, in desperation, will have to raise taxes to get revenue flowing and so become those damned tax-raising democrats we're always hearing about.

They've cut their own throats and I've cut my ties with them. If I wanted this fucking funding to go through I'd have damned well voted fucking republican! That's all right. I'll get the last word in 08.


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Subject: RE: BS: SHOCKER: Dems Fold to Bush
From: Don Firth
Date: 22 May 07 - 05:22 PM

I'm amazed at how willing some people are to give up just because the going gets a little rough.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: SHOCKER: Dems Fold to Bush
From: Don Firth
Date: 22 May 07 - 05:23 PM

And, no, I'm not referring to the Democrats!

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: SHOCKER: Dems Fold to Bush
From: Donuel
Date: 22 May 07 - 05:26 PM

They should have waited for the river card.


I heard Mc Cain said fuck you.

imagine what the media would be like if Hillary had said it.


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Subject: RE: BS: SHOCKER: Dems Fold to Bush
From: Rapparee
Date: 22 May 07 - 05:30 PM

NO politician in his or her right mind is going to say "No funding for our troops in combat!" They would be recalled in a trice or sooner.

The Dems have made their point and it's not going to go away. W will have this as a thorn in his side. Be easier simply to modify the bill giving the President authority to use force and far less of a means of political suicide.


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Subject: RE: BS: SHOCKER: Dems Fold to Bush
From: Barry Finn
Date: 22 May 07 - 05:33 PM

The Dems should've said "Fuck You" to Bush! Spineless bastards!

Barry


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Subject: RE: BS: SHOCKER: Dems Fold to Bush
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 22 May 07 - 05:33 PM

Click on the song at the top of the page - www.thewmds.com


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Subject: RE: BS: SHOCKER: Dems Fold to Bush
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 22 May 07 - 05:47 PM

Actually, getting the Bush to threaten to veto something is a sort of a victory. Until now he's just signed everything they sent him, with "signing notes" stating that he intends to ignore them. And his ignorance ignoring has been powerfully done.

By not using the veto he's prevented anything from going back to the Legislature, so nothing could be contradicted or overridden.

By being forced to make a credible VETO threat, he's vacated his stance that he's the invincible "decider" who can just ignore Congress. He's admitted that Congress still matters enough to be annoying at least - which is a step toward at least a possibility that Congress has some hormones left.

John


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Subject: RE: BS: SHOCKER: Dems Fold to Bush
From: John Hardly
Date: 22 May 07 - 05:55 PM

"With this the Dems kiss goodbye the 2008 Presidency."

Sorry, but I don't get this. I think everyone knows the score. I don't really see it reflecting on Clinton's or Obama's chances. Hell, the Illegal Immigration Bill is a greater threat and even that's being handed to the Democrats on a silver platter.

The Republican party is all but finished.

The next president will be a Democrat. I just wish it would have had been Bayh.


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Subject: RE: BS: SHOCKER: Dems Fold to Bush
From: GUEST,Art Thieme
Date: 22 May 07 - 06:13 PM

Times like these I am left wondering: "What would Martin Gibson do?"

;-)

Art


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Subject: RE: BS: SHOCKER: Dems Fold to Bush
From: GUEST,282ra
Date: 22 May 07 - 06:34 PM

Yeah, funny how we can oppose a war and yet come up with reasons why it must be continued. I was in another forum and the dems there suddenly turned into stay the course.

Haha. Maybe Bush was right all along then. What a shock that must have been to their systems!

But, hey, at least we got him to threaten to veto. That took guts--sort of. The equivalent of "made ya look!"


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Subject: RE: BS: SHOCKER: Dems Fold to Bush
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 22 May 07 - 06:58 PM

Bush actually lost this round.

The Dems are stepping gingerly to avoid a clever, and evil, trap set by Bush (no, not Bush, it's too clever to have come from him).

The war cannot be won, and cannot end well. So, Bush is praying that the Dems will actually cut off funding. Then the troops come home, and Bush gets to say "I'da won it if the Dems hadn't cut-off support for the troops", AND, the Repubs get to run commercials for '08 trumpeting that "the Dems took the food off the plates of the troops and stole the bullets from their guns". The country would fall for it, and the Repubs get the Prez and regain Congress.

Instead, now, it is still clearly Bush's war, and the Dems get to say they have given Bush everything he wanted in order to win. So, they don't have to shoulder the blame for the inevitable bad end, and they don't have to campaign against a nightmare ad campaign in '08.

Meanwhile, everyone (except the twentypercenters who would support Bush if he pitchfork loaded a truckfull of puppies) still knows it will end poorly, but our people in the service are still there dying. They die as we play this political game at home. But what are the Dems to do? Do they cut off funding and ensure that the incompetent evildoers retain and regain control of the government (thereby assuring future senseless bloodshed)?. Or do they play the game and hope to truly take power in '08 and put a final stop to this evil?

It's a no-win question worthy of a university ethics class.


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Subject: RE: BS: SHOCKER: Dems Fold to Bush
From: Amos
Date: 22 May 07 - 06:58 PM

Hell, we got him to USE his damn veto. The responsibility for continuing the war, as well as for starting it, is clearly and publically on his bloody head.


A


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Subject: RE: BS: SHOCKER: Dems Fold to Bush
From: Deckman
Date: 22 May 07 - 07:13 PM

I'm completly DISGUSTED with congress.


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Subject: RE: BS: SHOCKER: Dems Fold to Bush
From: GUEST,282ra
Date: 22 May 07 - 07:16 PM

The longer we stay in, the worse our departure will be and people will blame the dems for not standing up to Bush as they were voted into office to do.

That Bush bears the blame is beyond dispute. It's not who is to blame that matters. It's who the people decide to assign blame to. The longer we stay in, the more likelihood of dems inheriting the war and ending up with the blame no matter how badly it ends and how inevitable it was from the day we invaded. Once dems inherit it, it's their baby. They'd better force an end to this war and they have no real way to do this now until the next fiscal year.

Everybody's talking about a big showdown in September but I see no reason September will be any different than May. Bush will simply demand more time be given to the surge and that if he doesn't get it, then Congress obviously doesn't care about expending every effort to win this war. So Congress will once again cave in and so on and so forth.

And before they know it, THEY own it.


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Subject: RE: BS: SHOCKER: Dems Fold to Bush
From: Deckman
Date: 22 May 07 - 08:02 PM

I do agree with you.


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Subject: RE: BS: SHOCKER: Dems Fold to Bush
From: Peace
Date: 22 May 07 - 08:14 PM

This is the sort of problem that beset Dems in the last and the last before that elections. They are a party beginning to be seen as somewhat rudderless, indecisive and dithering. They lost votes because people stayed at home instead of hitting the polls, and I think those people could have made a difference. People ain't gonna vote if they ain't got nothin' to vote for. If there is no discernable difference between Rs and Ds, why waste the gas?


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Subject: RE: BS: SHOCKER: Dems Fold to Bush
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 22 May 07 - 09:32 PM

So, the Dems cut off all funding, the troops come home, and what is THE issue of the '08 campaign?

No-win for anybody.

And Bush set it all up.

And our kids die.


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Subject: RE: BS: SHOCKER: Dems Fold to Bush
From: Donuel
Date: 23 May 07 - 09:01 AM

Ron Olesko, I like the cello in the band. I didn't hear a connection to war funding though.


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Subject: RE: BS: SHOCKER: Dems Fold to Bush
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 23 May 07 - 09:32 AM

There was no connection. Just like Iraq has nothing to do with 9/11 or terrorism.


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Subject: RE: BS: SHOCKER: Dems Fold to Bush
From: Ron Davies
Date: 23 May 07 - 09:58 PM

282RA--

Republicans are no more enthusiastic about the Iraq war than Democrats. Not even Bush is enthusiastic--just desperate to be try to be able to claim "victory" again--since he knows it's his baby. However, every Republican House member knows he or she will have to run in 2008--and 1/3 of the senators. And NONE of them want to have to justify the continuation of the Iraq war. So if there is not substantial measurable progress by September, more and more Republicans will edge toward the exit. And the "benchmarks" will start having teeth---since a clear ---veto-proof---- majority will be backing them. And if there is not drastic progress in Iraq by summer 2008, no Republican now running for the presidency has a chance.

And any legislator tied to Bush will be history.


TIA explained it all above--and why. Remember, the one thing the Bush maladministation has mastered is------propaganda.



The fate of Bush and his supporters rests solely in the hands of the Iraqis, specifically with Maliki---since if his government falls, there will be no patience in the US to try somebody else. At this point it appears to be a question of how much the US can try to influence internal Iraqi politics before Bush is told to shove off.   Who knows how low the Iraqis' boiling point is--but we'll find out.


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Subject: RE: BS: SHOCKER: Dems Fold to Bush
From: 282RA
Date: 24 May 07 - 09:59 AM

Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, Warner, Levin and the rest have now inherited the cause of this war. They have now tied themselves to Bush and his failed war.

There will be no reckoning in September, only more stalling. The pubs won't attack Bush then because the war will still be funded and so they have no reason to go into defensive mode.

And the dems will have no leverage to force an issue and all the pubs will say is, "You bastards voted to fund it so what are you crying about?"

Huge mistake on the part of the dems shame on them for ignoring the mandate of the people-the very thing they were accusing Bush of until they decided to help him do it.


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Subject: RE: BS: SHOCKER: Dems Fold to Bush
From: Don Firth
Date: 24 May 07 - 02:18 PM

Gross misinterpretation.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: SHOCKER: Dems Fold to Bush
From: GUEST,dianavan
Date: 24 May 07 - 04:04 PM

Will someone please answer this question?

Why didn't congress vote against the bill to fund more troops which would have forced Bush to use his veto power?

Whats the advantage to voting for more troops?


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Subject: RE: BS: SHOCKER: Dems Fold to Bush
From: GUEST,282RA
Date: 24 May 07 - 04:40 PM

Looks like no impeachments, no investigations into the fraud and thievery of contractors, no testimony from retired generals concerning the complete lack of post-invasion planning, nothing.

Looks like Bush & Cheney will get clean away with it and all the dems will do is then pick up the slack and continue this war themselves--too afraid to end it or the pubs might talk bad about them.

I tried to give Pelosi the benefit of the doubt but there can be no denying that she is covering for Bush, shielding him from his own criminal acts. And as long as Bush is safe, Cheney's safe. All the dems have done is waste time chasing Gonzalez and that stupid US attorney's thing. Who cares? What the lies, fraud and thievery that's gone on with this war??? They're not even bothering and even if they did, Pelosi would kill it.

Keith Olbermann is right--we have been betrayed!


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Subject: RE: BS: SHOCKER: Dems Fold to Bush
From: Don Firth
Date: 24 May 07 - 04:59 PM

Don't make book on it.

First of all, Congress is not authorizing that more troops be sent.

Because the Democratic Congress included the timeline for withdrawal in the funding bill, Bush threatened to veto the bill. Since there are not enough Democrats (or Republicans in agreement with the Democrats) in Congress to override a Presidential veto, at that point, it became an impasse. Pelosi is no dummy. She and the other Democrats know this.

Had the Democrats persisted in withholding funding because of the threatened veto due to the timeline clause, Bush could—and would—accuse them of "not supporting the troops." And if troops subsequently had to be withdrawn because of lack of funding, Bush could then say that the Democrats lost the war because they withheld funding. Had they provided the funding, Bush would claim, he could have won the war.

And if pigs could fly, there'd be pork in the tree-tops.

Everybody, including Bush (unless he is even denser than I think he is) knows that this war has turned into Vietnam redux.

Since the Democrats could not win on the time-line issue, by removing the clause and approving the funding, the Bush administration can no longer accuse the Democrats of not supporting the troops and then blame them for losing the war.

With the attempt to pass a timeline, the Democrats have made their point. Now, by doing the only thing they can do under the circumstances, they're giving Bush enough rope for him to hang himself. It tosses responsibility for the war—and losing it—right back in Bush's lap.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: SHOCKER: Dems Fold to Bush
From: KB in Iowa
Date: 24 May 07 - 05:17 PM

That is exactly how I see it, Don.

The funding is only authorized through Sept. This isn't over by a long shot. Today (maybe last night) Bush said that when the surge is fully implemented (mid June) he expects combat to intensify and casualties to go up. He is in effect saying it will get worse before it gets better. He will still be singing the same tune when another funding bill comes up in Congress. Unless some R's defect the D's will be facing a very similar situation next time. Public outcry could get some R's to defect from Bush but I have my doubts if it will be enough to change the outcome. I can always hope.


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Subject: RE: BS: SHOCKER: Dems Fold to Bush
From: Stringsinger
Date: 24 May 07 - 05:44 PM

The Dems have shown cowardice in the face of Bush's financing of the Occupation. It's not a war (Mission Accomplished, remember?)

The Dems that are running are beholden to corporate special interests and can't be counted on to make ethical judgements regarding this illegal incursion.

It's up for grabs which party will emerge. The fact that the Dem politicians have decided to go against the will of the people in the funding for this fiasco really questions their "right mind". They have funded the deaths of more of our troops.

It's not a real shocker though. It's politics as usual. Nancy Pelosi promised to "drain the swamp" of corporate control through K Street. We see where that went. Can we really trust anything candidates for either party say? (In my view, only one...Dennis Kucinich.

For the others, promises, promises. "Sound and fury signifying nothing"...Shakespeare.

Frank


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Subject: RE: BS: SHOCKER: Dems Fold to Bush
From: GUEST,282RA
Date: 24 May 07 - 09:10 PM

$120 billion thru September is more hoodwink. That's enough for an entire year. That money will go way beyond September. Remember when Bush turned down a more reduced offer earlier that I think Murtha proposed. Because then he WOULD have to ask for more by September and he has no such intention. That's why Bush and the GOP are making so much noise about September because it is going to be anticlimactic. When September gets here, there won't be this big standoff between the White House and Congress because Bush will still have plenty of money to carry him well into 2008 at which point he will simply cease to care and will simply stall until his term ends and he's cutting the ribbon at his new library while grinning vacuously for the cameras.

So by September, Bush and the GOP are banking on the people forgetting that that was suppposed to be the watershed month--the do or die date. How many of these have we seen? And we're still in Iraq and there is still no end in sight and Bush is still getting his ass kissed when he should be a lame duck to go with his lame brain and an impeachment rap. But I think the dem Congress is more lame-brained than Bush and more ass-kissing than Tony Blair. And if they allow Bush to leave without any charges brought against him then there are even more criminal than he is.

Accept it. The Dems want this war--they want their shot at reforming the Middle East. They want to continue Bush's legacy but hope to make it their own. They've actually sentenced themselves to inherit this war. It's unspeakable.


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Subject: RE: BS: SHOCKER: Dems Fold to Bush
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 24 May 07 - 10:46 PM

No No No.

Read Don Firth above. He summarized it better than I could.
It's a fucking propaganda trap. Set intentionally by Bush's puppet masters. The Dems are intentionally not stepping in it.

This is not betrayal. It is wisdom. And because the troops die while this game is played, it is evil. But Bush's handlers called for the game and made the rules.

If you think the Dems should simply de-fund the troops, you are sticking your Johnson right into the bear trap, and Bush's handlers are laughing the whole way.

It is fucking evil, but we must play the game we are in.

I pray that the three I know in Iraq are not killed while the game plays out. Shit - it kills me that anyone dies in Iraq while this fucking game plays out.

Do NOT forget whose game it is.


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Subject: RE: BS: SHOCKER: Dems Fold to Bush
From: Bill D
Date: 24 May 07 - 11:54 PM

I think Don Firth has it pretty close. The Democrats didn't have the votes to just demand Bush do it their way, so they had to seemingly 'give in', in order to keep Bush's stamp on the unholy mess.

I do wish they had said it better, though. I'd like to see the whole thing more open and explicit. I don't like roundabout plots with "gotcha" at the end, when all those young lives are the pawns on the chessboard. The Democrats have several presidential candidates who could do a decent job....but if they all throw dirt on each other in order to GET the job, the 'winner' is gonna start off at quite a disadvantage.


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Subject: RE: BS: SHOCKER: Dems Fold to Bush
From: GUEST,dianavan
Date: 25 May 07 - 02:08 AM

Don - Thanks for the explanation. I think you are probably right. Unfortunately, the Bush propaganda machine is very slick and has made it appear that Congress has no guts. I also think that it is a very dangerous game to play because the Dems could end up with the whole mess in their laps.

I'm more interested in seeing Cheney and then Bush, impeached. If that doesn't work, I would hope that someone in this wide world of ours will try them for crimes against humanity. It certainly appears that the Dems are powerless to stop this evil.


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Subject: RE: BS: SHOCKER: Dems Fold to Bush
From: Don Firth
Date: 25 May 07 - 12:35 PM

AHA!!

I just heard on the news this morning that the Democrats hung a rider on the funding bill that Bush couldn't refuse.

A raise in the Federal minimum wage from $5.15 an hour to $7.25 an hour.

Bush just got a dose of his own medicine.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: SHOCKER: Dems Fold to Bush
From: John Hardly
Date: 25 May 07 - 12:52 PM

If given the chance, I'd always choose Harvey Reid over Harry Reid.


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Subject: RE: BS: SHOCKER: Dems Fold to Bush
From: GUEST,dianavan
Date: 25 May 07 - 12:57 PM

Thats good news.


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Subject: RE: BS: SHOCKER: Dems Fold to Bush
From: Ebbie
Date: 25 May 07 - 02:50 PM

In September/October there will be hell to pay if Bush/Petraeus/el Maliki, et al, can't report substantial improvement in Iraq. And September is not far away.


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Subject: RE: BS: SHOCKER: Dems Fold to Bush
From: GUEST,282RA
Date: 25 May 07 - 08:32 PM

Keep dreaming.


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Subject: RE: BS: SHOCKER: Dems Fold to Bush
From: GUEST,petr
Date: 25 May 07 - 09:37 PM

you can say they blinked, but its a pyrrhic victory for Bush..
the Democrats did not have the numbers to win.
However the real issue is when September comes along and Petraeus has to report on whether the 'surge' has made any progress..
and by this time there are many republicans who will want results..


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Subject: RE: BS: SHOCKER: Dems Fold to Bush
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 26 May 07 - 12:23 AM

And despite the fact that the Dems made sure the Repubs could not claim that they don't support the troops, that is exactly what McCain and Romney claimed today.

Fucking assholes.

It's all politics.

What exactly are the PRINCIPLES that Republicans stand for now?


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Subject: RE: BS: SHOCKER: Dems Fold to Bush
From: GUEST,Jade
Date: 26 May 07 - 02:07 PM

The war in Iraq is now the Democrats' war. They could've pulled the plug but didn't. The two-headed Bush/Clinton team continues to deceive by tossing the ball from one hand to the other, while the spectators scream excitedly. The clock is running out on the US dollar, which is falling at an avg rate of 2 cents per week now, and the fans are eagerly cheering the "minimum wage hike" and anticipating the next Big Game, which the underdog Democrats will win. Everything will be great then, when Hillary is leading the charge down the field. Of course the dollar will be worth a peso by then, and there will be a "terrorist event" right after she's inserted into office with 2% of the popular vote (damn hanging chads and electronic glitches). But she'll rally the team, merge the US with Canada and Mexico and start rounding up the seditionist Christians and Republicans. She'll use the Republicans' own "caging" lists of voters to do it, and unfortunately most of the names on those lists are of blacks named Johnson, Jackson and Jones, so blacks in America will "accidentally" be purged along with the evil right-wingers, but the commentators will direct you back to the Hillary/Jeb team tossing the ball from one hand to the other, and the mesmerism will continue while Jeb is groomed for the next victory. Chelsea is warming the bench--but what's this? Is she standing up now, getting ready to come into the game? How long can these two dynasties keep it up? Stay tuned.


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Subject: RE: BS: SHOCKER: Dems Fold to Bush
From: Ebbie
Date: 26 May 07 - 04:04 PM

You are just so - what's the word? - insert word of choice here - funny. You and others like you think you are being so in-the-know and so far ahead of us naive and unsophisticated types and you don't even realize that your games are playing into the black hole of despair. And that's all it is: games.


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Subject: RE: BS: SHOCKER: Dems Fold to Bush
From: Don Firth
Date: 26 May 07 - 04:15 PM

I think people like GUEST,Jade are bucking for some third party. Jade either knows nothing about what's going on in the Democratic Party right now or is completely disingenuous (i.e., trying desperately to spread propaganda).

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: SHOCKER: Dems Fold to Bush
From: akenaton
Date: 26 May 07 - 05:09 PM

Did anyone seriously think the Dems would challenge Bush?

They voted en masse for the war for Christ sake!!
There seems to be a popular movement at grass roots level to get the troops out. The Dems could harness that movement if they really cared, but they stall and for every day thay stall another 20, 30, 100 Iraqi men women and children die....Oh yes and a couple of yanks and a Brit or two hardly out of their teens.
Stop apologising for the slimy bastards and get out on the streets.

Politicians only act in their own interests, so make it in their interests to end this slaughter.
As with Vietnam, the answer is in your own hands...Ake


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