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sorry about the offensive thread

Margo 07 Apr 99 - 03:44 PM
katlaughing 07 Apr 99 - 04:12 PM
katlaughing 07 Apr 99 - 04:14 PM
Frank in the swamps 07 Apr 99 - 04:31 PM
Bert 07 Apr 99 - 04:33 PM
Paul 07 Apr 99 - 04:53 PM
katlaughing 07 Apr 99 - 05:02 PM
bseed(charleskratz) 07 Apr 99 - 05:05 PM
Rick Fielding 07 Apr 99 - 05:53 PM
Pete M 07 Apr 99 - 06:22 PM
Banjer 07 Apr 99 - 06:26 PM
Banjer 07 Apr 99 - 06:31 PM
Margo 07 Apr 99 - 07:39 PM
reggie miles 08 Apr 99 - 01:21 AM
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Subject: sorry about the offensive thread
From: Margo
Date: 07 Apr 99 - 03:44 PM

Sorry folks. I have taken the correction and will adjust my threads accordingly. (No gas)

Margarita


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Subject: RE: sorry about the offensive thread
From: katlaughing
Date: 07 Apr 99 - 04:12 PM

Margarita: did I miss something? I don't recall anything of yours being so offensive! Or is your tongue in your cheek?***BG***

katlaughing


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Subject: RE: sorry about the offensive thread
From: katlaughing
Date: 07 Apr 99 - 04:14 PM

Oh...just found it. 'scuse my ignorance!


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Subject: RE: sorry about the offensive thread
From: Frank in the swamps
Date: 07 Apr 99 - 04:31 PM

Digression has always been a part of the discussion forum, and some of our "Way off folk & blues" tangents have been important to setting the tenor of this place, but thank you Margarita, for your apology. I responded recently to a thread on the Balkan crimes and I felt a bit annoyed at myself for doing so. There are plenty of sites on the internet for discussions that are unrelated to folk & blues. I'd like to see the forum get back to being a little more focused on what that sign at the top of the page sez. Perhaps if some of us find other websites that are more appropriate for different topics we could start adding them to the links page? With a little "head's up" on the forum to get our attention? I don't wanna sound like a musical prude here, but we have gotten awful "chatty" lately.

Frank i.t.s.


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Subject: RE: sorry about the offensive thread
From: Bert
Date: 07 Apr 99 - 04:33 PM

Margarita,

I don't see any need for you to apologise. You tried to get some folks together to take some grass roots action. Sounds very much like a FOLK issue to me.
If others don't agree with your stand, you could refer them to the "Who's got the Courage" threads.

Bert.


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Subject: RE: sorry about the offensive thread
From: Paul
Date: 07 Apr 99 - 04:53 PM

I looked and I looked but couldn't find the "offensive" thread. Drat! By the way, if you ever want to guarantee that everyone reads your thread, call it, "sorry about the offensive thread". I was powerless to resist.


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Subject: RE: sorry about the offensive thread
From: katlaughing
Date: 07 Apr 99 - 05:02 PM

Bert: didn't you mean "gas" roots action?Hehehe

If we can't have a little political action discussion on here, what does that say about some of the songs on here? I can't count the number of times I've read a reference to some social/political stife that a song was written about.

So, how about writing a songs about it, Margarita?

katlaughing


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Subject: RE: sorry about the offensive thread
From: bseed(charleskratz)
Date: 07 Apr 99 - 05:05 PM

Frank, you're sorry about arguing politics with your friends? --seed


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Subject: RE: sorry about the offensive thread
From: Rick Fielding
Date: 07 Apr 99 - 05:53 PM

Sure you can discuss politics, courage, gas prices, April fool's jokes, minimum wage issues, and lots of other non-music related topics on other discussion groups, but you have to do it primarily with mainstream folks. Mudcatters are NOT mainstream. Their love for folk music carries over into many other areas, and I find it makes them more interesting, better informed, highly articulate, generally kinder and (to me) far more credible. I like the mix, and there sure are a lot of music threads to get into as well. Darn near perfect situation, far as I can see.


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Subject: RE: sorry about the offensive thread
From: Pete M
Date: 07 Apr 99 - 06:22 PM

Hi Margarita,

thanks for the apology, as one who objected, can I also apologise if my post was curt. As I said I'd already had the message and been annoyed by it so you caught the backlash.

Perhaps I can elaborate as to why I objected to this but not to other "non folk" related threads.

1. I find the implicit assumption by the author that everyone on the 'net resides in the US contrary to everything that the n'net in general and the 'Cat in particular represents.

2. The request was for an action to reduce prices per se, with no justification other than the authors desire to save money. If it had been directed at oil company profits I may have been more sympathetic.

3. The US is the most profligate user of natural resources in the world both actually and per capita. I could not condone any action that is likely to perpetuate or encourage this.

4. Bulk forwarded emails are the bane of most peoples lives including mine.

I suppose the main difference, to me, is that most if not all other "chatty" threads are concerned with what can be done for other people, whereas I saw this request as ultimately selfish in intent.

Please don't misread that last bit, I do realise that you did not write the message, only forwarded it. I hope this helps to explain my reaction and perhaps that of other objectors. Please don't take our objection personally and continue to contribute.

Pete M


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Subject: RE: sorry about the offensive thread
From: Banjer
Date: 07 Apr 99 - 06:26 PM


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Subject: RE: sorry about the offensive thread
From: Banjer
Date: 07 Apr 99 - 06:31 PM

There I go (in the previous message) being eloquently articulate again! What I didn't say probably says more than what I could say! But while I'm saying anything at all, let me add my two cents that the apology was not needed. Who knows maybe someone will write a song that will reach enough folks to make a change in this area. Can never tell.


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Subject: RE: sorry about the offensive thread
From: Margo
Date: 07 Apr 99 - 07:39 PM

Thanks guys. I was feeling pretty low for a while there.

Margie


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Subject: RE: sorry about the offensive thread
From: reggie miles
Date: 08 Apr 99 - 01:21 AM

Hey Margie, please don't feel badly, I received the same email but didn't post it to anyone for several reasons. First off I'm still too new at this computer stuff to know how to forward an email so I couldn't. Besides my own lack of tech ability, if refusing to purchase gasoline on a given day could get the attention of the big oil concerns and they lost some revenue they would simply raise the price to recover that which was lost. Then again it may not concern them at all if indeed there is so much in reserve. Either way the deck is stacked in their favor as long as we stay tied to this fuel source. Pete, what the author of the email may have implied by sending it about on the WWW could have some merit. May Day is coming up shortly. A day hundreds of thousands in other countries honor with massive gatherings and marches. For all our strenghts here in this country (US)it is rare that I've noticed that same unifying element at work here. If there is one thread that binds us it may be the use of petroleum products. So if the US, the largest oil glutton, could be united, even if behind this banner, and convinced to stand together to enact change it seems to me the action could be felt far beyond these borders and therefore could lead to global changes, not just here. Now I'm not preachin' one world government here. I'm just implying that the US has been awfully apathetic of late. Haven't you noticed? Our union on one issue could be the start that we need to foster continued unity on others. Unity is strength. That's my two Lincolns. Alright enough said, now if I could just figure out how to get off this box.

Reggie


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