morality of collecting

Subject: RE: morality of collecting
From: GUEST,punkfolkrocker
Date: 03 Jun 07 - 06:54 PM

please just try to ensure this rich heritage of master tapes does not rot away completely
while you lot of old ego wankers argue with each other endlessly
until you all disapear together into the dank arsehole of infinity ..

Subject: RE: morality of collecting
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 03 Jun 07 - 07:02 PM

Well, PFR, what are your proposals for retrieving these masters?
Not, unfortunately, being in the pub, I'll open another can of 7% Polish beer (£5 for 6 in this Outer Warsaw North London suburb) and await your response.

Subject: RE: morality of collecting
From: GUEST,punkfolkrocker
Date: 03 Jun 07 - 07:38 PM

and yes.. public money is there for this kind of purchjase for teh nation..

if the 'right' people can get their act together and work postivtely
and constructively
to save these genuiinely valuable gems of UK folk culture..



but then again they can alternatively just continue to waste precious time
in petty personal counter productive conflicts.....

Subject: RE: morality of collecting
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 03 Jun 07 - 07:39 PM

It is very important that the issue is kept very public so that "they" who possess these priceless recordings know that there are thousands of people out there who are passionate about wanting our heritage back, and in all its glory, and with a good dose of fair play to the artists who did all the work. Dammit, even if the soddin' tapes have rotted a good lab could do wonders with vinyl copies. Hey, what was wrong with vinyl anyway!   Mr Bulmer may agree with that and I wonder whether he sold all those excess stocks of vinyl LPs he used to moan about. I didn't see too many ads for them in Froots when I was a subscriber in the days before it disappeared up its own world music 'arris. The good fight, at the end of which everyone will be a victor, must continue. Excelsior!

Subject: RE: morality of collecting
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 03 Jun 07 - 08:14 PM

In case anyone doesn't know, there are four CDs og Nic Jones available, none of which have anything to do with Celtic Music. "In Search Of...", "Unearthed (2 CDs)", "Game, Set, Match" and "Penguin Eggs".

And CAMSCO carries those, too.

Subject: RE: morality of collecting
From: GUEST,Ralphie
Date: 04 Jun 07 - 03:07 AM

Hi Ron.
I really intended not to post again.
But for accuracies sake.

I quote frrom you.
"Unfortunately, I doubt the royalities would be as high as you imagine, but still it would be a help - and it would help others realize just how good Nic Jones was. A generation has grown up that never heard Nic Jones live. Here in the United States, Nic Jones is unfortunately not well known at all. It would be wonderful to have recordings to share of his original recordings. The new Topic disc is nice, but it cannot replace the originals."

Well, without the wonderful Tony Engle (MD of Topic records) having the belief in the "Game,Set,Match" CD project last year, and advancing money to Nic before the CD was even made, Nic would probably have had to have received his Lifetime achievement award from the BBC (to a standing ovation) in a weelchair.

The advance was used to reconstruct his knee, not a cheap procedure. (probably a result from the crash).

Topic records have kept Penguin Eggs available for 27 Years.
It is still one of their best sellers, hence Tony's confidence in the Game,Set,Match project.

No, the royalties from the lost 4 albums would have made a considerable difference to Nic and his family. Imagine the income over 26 years.....A hell of a lot of money.

And, if the complete collection were to be released now (David Suff, where are you?),we could then get, (as you US guys put it)
"Closure" on this sad and sorry story.
Of course it's far too late for Tony Rose (who, before he sadly died, had to revisit and re-record songs that are still lost in the CM bunker) and Lal Waterson (Bright Phoebus).
And talking of whom. another nod and a handshake for Mr Engle for believing in the "Shining Bright" project (Various artists recording the Mike and Lal collection).

It was always about justice. I just don't see any justice happening at the moment.

Kind regards, and no shouting!!

Ralph

Subject: RE: morality of collecting
From: GUEST,Manny
Date: 04 Jun 07 - 12:06 PM

If you go into a shop and purchase items they are yours. At a later date the shop can not, or in deed anyone else can not, moan and groan because you wont sell them back or onto others. The items purchased are YOUR PROPERTY to do with what YOU want. You have bought that right.

Subject: RE: morality of collecting
From: GUEST
Date: 04 Jun 07 - 03:00 PM

This thread no longer does exactly what is says on the tin (if it ever really did).
After a token nod towards field singers, it now seems to have settled comfortably into the 'Fair play for folkies' mode.
I Have to say that whenever the subject of Bulmer comes up I have to ask myself a number of questions:
1.        How much sleep do I lose by no longer being able to purchase albums of Bill Leader's revival singers? - Answer; as I didn't buy them first time round, very little really.
2.        Do I believe that by releasing them, the revival will be nudged back on course? - Answer; as I tend towards the school of thought that suggests that it was the idiosyncratic, hiccoughy, over-accompanied style of singing that Bill seemed to favour which nudged it off course in the first place, no I don't. (Light blue touch paper and retire rapidly)!
3.        Do I believe that the re-issuing of the Walter Pardon, John Maguire, George Dunne, Cecilia Costello, Charlie Wills and Lincolnshire albums et al will help the present revival come to terms with the tradition? – Answer; would it were that simple.
I have come to the conclusion, particularly after participating in a number of these threads, that most singers today share the Cap'n's somewhat Philistine (as I understand it) preference of revival singers over traditional ones, to which I can only respond 'chacun son goút'. It seems to me that if we haven't learned anything from our older singers, then we've learned nothing and have lost out on a golden opportunity. I can't help but notice that nobody has responded to my question 'is there a queue out there clamouring to get their hands on some of those wonderful records'. I still have all the vinyl versions and wouldn't part with them for all of Michael Flatley's money.                                                I have no idea why Dave Bulmer is behaving as he is towards the Leader albums. Perhaps he is the shit many people seem to believe he is. Perhaps he is a shrewd businessman who thinks that if he hangs onto them long enough, they will come back into fashion. Whatever his reasons, I am certain of one thing; if he isn't open to reason and logic, and if he isn't worried by threats of law suits and blacklists, all the abuse and slagging-off he gets of threads like this isn't going to change his mind.

If anybody wishes to send me a letter-bomb I'll be in Bon Secour Hospital for a couple of days having another piece cut off my face.
Blessums Possums.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: morality of collecting
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 04 Jun 07 - 04:27 PM

Ralph, thank you for the post. That helps me get a better understanding. I am glad to hear that the Topic recordings have been a help and Nic Jones was able to earn some royalties through their release. It is wonderful that the royalties were high enough to help him.

Here in the U.S., sales of CD's are not enough unless you are a pop musician. While some can make a nice living throug CD sales, it is very difficult. Artists must tour. I know that Dave Van Ronk had difficulty in his later years because of a lack of health insurance.

Recently, a record label tried re-releasing some of the old Tradition records released in the 50's and 60's. After an initial flurry of activity, I have not received a single CD in a year.   I can only surmise that the sales were not as good as expected. The company did a nice job of cleaning up the masters but not altering the music. It is a shame that more people are not interested.

As someone once said, there are hundreds of dollars to be made in folk music.

Subject: RE: morality of collecting
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 04 Jun 07 - 04:34 PM

Well, Jim, A very large number of us would buy Nic Jones' early albums if they came out (properly - I won't dwell on that again) on CD. Of that I'm certain. The other thing is your remark: "...I tend towards the school of thought that suggests that it was the idiosyncratic, hiccoughy, over-accompanied style of singing that Bill seemed to favour which nudged it off course in the first place..." Have you actually listened to Nic Jones accompanying himself? His guitar-playing, so apt for his voice, was wonderful, and your comment is way off-beam. I'm inclined to think you may be in a minority of one among thousands if you really meant your remark to apply to Nic. Blimey!

Subject: RE: morality of collecting
From: GUEST,Manny
Date: 04 Jun 07 - 04:51 PM

SS, "a very large number of us would buy Nic Jones"
How many is a large number of us? what research have you done? Would you be prepared to fund the release of the music and take the hit in your pocket if necessary?

Subject: RE: morality of collecting
From: katlaughing
Date: 04 Jun 07 - 05:54 PM

At the risk of more vitriol, I am posting the following from Nic's website, assuming most of you know, but perhaps not. FWIW:

Because of the lack of availability of Nic's first 4 albums and endless requests over the years for anything that was or could be made available, Nic finally agreed to the use of live recordings. Julia set up Mollie Music Records and Dave Emery, who over the years had lovingly and diligently rescued, catalogued and re-mastered tapes of Nic's live recordings, produced the long awaited CD, In Search of Nic Jones.

It's something at least.

Subject: RE: morality of collecting
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 04 Jun 07 - 05:56 PM

Well, Manny, I'm a bit skint and couldn't fund a sausage, but can you not just imagine, say, a box set of Nic's early recordings selling five-figure numbers? What research could I possibly have done? Oh, 'twould be a risk, but just think of the publicity the release would get from Mike Harding and Froots just for starters. Megabucks would not be in it but just think of the rightness of it all. Even Bulmer would have a smile on his face to replace the smirk he probably wears permanently when he reads the squabbling of us minnows.

Subject: RE: morality of collecting
From: Tootler
Date: 04 Jun 07 - 06:02 PM

Jim Carroll wrote

Do I believe that the re-issuing of the Walter Pardon, John Maguire, George Dunne, Cecilia Costello, Charlie Wills and Lincolnshire albums et al will help the present revival come to terms with the tradition? – Answer; would it were that simple.

It may not be practical or financially worthwhile re-issuing recordings of these singers, but what about the Internet?

I use the Farne website from time to time and they have a large number of soundclips there which I find interesting as you can learn about the playing styles of many of instrumentalists who are contemporaries of the singers listed above.

The younger generation are just as likely to go to the internet for recordings as they are to buy CDs. A great advantage of the internet is that you can listen to individual recordings and download those you want to keep.

Subject: RE: morality of collecting
From: Malcolm Douglas
Date: 04 Jun 07 - 10:31 PM

Yes; it's very convenient for people who expect to be given everything on a plate at no cost or effort to themselves.

Do you have any idea how much money it took to put Farne online? With the extraordinarily generous funding they were given, all sorts of things would be possible. I'd hope, if such funding ever again becomes available, that it will be used less self-indulgently. The Farne website is a thorough pain to navigate; regrettably, they went for surface gloss rather than functionality.

Subject: RE: morality of collecting
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 05 Jun 07 - 12:29 AM

could whoever deleted my post immediately preceding

"From: GUEST,punkfolkrocker - PM
Date: 03 Jun 07 - 07:38 PM"

please reinstate it.


even though I forgot to type in my name..and it appeared as a GUEST post,

it was clear to anyone here that the 2 posts were a consistent and considered reply from me[even if i had been on the cider..]
written rapidly one after teh other.

but now that you removed the 'substance' of my 1st reply
the 2nd part really dont make half as much sense..

does seeem a bit of an over-zealous petty-minded deletion..

even in this mean spirited climate of 'zero tolerance' for GUEST POSTINGs..

a bit of editing discretion and you could have just typed my name in for me and left it intact..

Subject: RE: morality of collecting
From: GUEST,punkfolkrocker
Date: 05 Jun 07 - 12:32 AM

buggered if i can remember all of what i wrote last night..
but i'm sure it was one of my more sensible posts..

Subject: RE: morality of collecting
From: GUEST
Date: 05 Jun 07 - 12:33 AM

oh well.. g'night

Subject: RE: morality of collecting
From: Jim Lad
Date: 05 Jun 07 - 12:42 AM

Wait a minute......hold on..... back up the bus here....??
Are you telling me that Diane really is the Countess?
I was just having a wee go at the Countess when I said that!

Subject: RE: morality of collecting
From: GUEST
Date: 05 Jun 07 - 02:35 AM

Steve
Quick last word.
Yes, I certainly have listened to Nic Jones.
Liking or disliking a singer is a matter of personal taste (and debate, in the right circumstances) and I have my opinions of his singing as I have with all singers I have heard.
What I was referring to is the fact that at one stage, the revival imploded when it became swamped with Carthy clones and Moore mimics and Bellamy bleaters who adopted the styles and mannerisms of their particular heroes. This, for me, became incredibly incestuous and lost the whole impetus of that had built up.
Jim Carroll

---

Jim, please note that anonymous posting is no longer allowed at Mudcat. Use a consistent name [in the 'from' box] when you post, or your messages risk being deleted.
Thanks.
-Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: morality of collecting
From: The Sandman
Date: 05 Jun 07 - 02:52 AM

JIM CARROLL,I have never said that I preferred revival singers to traditional,It depends on the singers involved regardless of labels.I prefer Jeannie Robertson toBob Davenport[ Bob is still a good singer], I prefer RonTaylor[to gordon hall].Isaid that Ithought they were equally important.

Subject: RE: morality of collecting
From: The Sandman
Date: 05 Jun 07 - 04:16 AM

JimCarroll,there is hope that this may effect Celtic Music,something prompted him to do the morally right thing for Calennig.
[MickTemsPatSmith].hope your stay in Hospital is a short one,and that you get well soon.

Subject: RE: morality of collecting
From: Tootler
Date: 05 Jun 07 - 07:20 PM

Yes; it's very convenient for people who expect to be given everything on a plate at no cost or effort to themselves.

I'm ever so sorry to have had the temerity to have even considered making my suggestion.

Do you have any idea how much money it took to put Farne online? With the extraordinarily generous funding they were given, all sorts of things would be possible. I'd hope, if such funding ever again becomes available, that it will be used less self-indulgently. The Farne website is a thorough pain to navigate; regrettably, they went for surface gloss rather than functionality

Since you are so wonderful, why not do it yourself next time and show them all how it should be done. The Farne website may not be perfect but it is still a useful resource.

In future don't patronise me.

Subject: RE: morality of collecting
From: Giant Folk Eyeball (inactive)
Date: 06 Jun 07 - 05:18 AM

I agree with the Tootler. The internet is definitely a way to resolve this problem. Folk specialist download sites already exist that have made long out of print stuff available again legally - the main one in the UK (which I won't mention by name because I assume that would be advertising) even has an MCPS licence. If DB was to do a deal with a site like that it would surely make everyone happy - and in a fairly low cost, low risk way.

BTW, I wasn't aware of the FARNE site and took a look at it from the link in this thread. What an excellent resource it is.

Nigel

Subject: RE: morality of collecting
From: Folkiedave
Date: 06 Jun 07 - 05:43 AM

The Farne website cost a relative fortune. You need to know that things are not as simple as just "setting these things up". And I agree with Malcolm it could be much much better.

The EFDSS is currently working on its own folk resource - this is here.. It isn't perfect - I doubt if it will ever be - but people are trying. Done by people in their spare time. I added a few books yesterday. Only took an hour or so.

Subject: RE: morality of collecting
From: Folkiedave
Date: 06 Jun 07 - 06:02 AM

I should have added that people's time is not infinite.

Since you are so wonderful, why not do it yourself next time and show them all how it should be done

Malcolm in his wisdom and by personal choice has decided to spend his time doing the SRFN website, helping with the EFDSS publications such as Classic English Folk Songs, Marrow Bones (forthcoming) and the next book in the series Wanton Seed. He also edited the SRFN magazine until it ceased publication.

He also (unlike me who is retired) has to make a living.

Subject: RE: morality of collecting
From: The Sandman
Date: 06 Jun 07 - 06:36 AM

thanks to tootler for mentioning this site,thanks also to Malcolm and Dave Eyre for their work.

Subject: RE: morality of collecting
From: GUEST,Young Buchan
Date: 06 Jun 07 - 09:45 AM

Further to the question of the early collectors not paying their informants: I seem to recall Harry Cox saying that Moeran and Vaughan Williams were 'proper gentlemen' because when they sold songs 'up in London' for 'every quid they got from them, they gave me ten bob' (that, for younger readers is 30p for every Euro).
Contrast the story that Bob Pegg used to tell about the night Harry was at a folk club, I guess in the late sixties, and people were practically shoving recorder mikes up his nose, without any request for permission to Harry himself. When Bob protested, the MC replied, 'Oh it's only old Harry. He doesn't know what's going on.'

Subject: RE: morality of collecting
From: GUEST,baz parkes
Date: 06 Jun 07 - 10:24 AM

just to go back to the beer bit....I've tried Sam Adams and Anchor Steam Brewery....for what it's worth

Neither of them would enhance my enjoyment of a Nic Jones CD

Mind you, neither would Boddingtons, Black Sheep or even good old Banks'

Having the CD available would be enjoyment enough

As we used to sing in the Black Country..."Born to Drink Mild..."

Baz

Subject: RE: morality of collecting
From: M.Ted
Date: 06 Jun 07 - 11:23 AM

The recordings and records that we've been discussing here are of great musical and historical interest, but they aren't commercially viable any more. It will require substantial expenditures of time and money to turn them into either CDs or downloadable music files.

It isn't likely that many of the albums would recoup the costs incurred in this process, let alone generate profits--Now, they belong to history, and will ultimately have to be handled and managed as artifacts.

Subject: RE: morality of collecting
From: The Sandman
Date: 06 Jun 07 - 01:34 PM

young buchan,you quote one particular incident[re folk clubs],itwould be unfortunate if people got the impression that Harry Cox was always treated this way in folk clubs,.Iam sure he wasnt.

Subject: RE: morality of collecting
From: Tootler
Date: 06 Jun 07 - 07:19 PM

The Farne website cost a relative fortune.

I can understand that. It shows in the way it is set up.

You need to know that things are not as simple as just "setting these things up".

I appreciate that. When I was working full time, I had a website for my undergraduate students. It may not have been fully up to professional standards, but it still took a lot of time and effort to set up and maintain, but was much appreciated by the students. I was not in any way intending to underestimate the time and effort needed, but rather trying to suggest that this was a way of making available what is currently not readily available.

And I agree with Malcolm it could be much much better.

I agree there are aspects that could be improved, but that does not alter the fact that it is still a valuable resource.

Since you are so wonderful, why not do it yourself next time and show them all how it should be done

Malcolm in his wisdom and by personal choice has decided to spend his time doing the SRFN website, helping with the EFDSS publications such as Classic English Folk Songs, Marrow Bones (forthcoming) and the next book in the series Wanton Seed. He also edited the SRFN magazine until it ceased publication.

Fair enough. I was, however, intensely irritated by what I saw as a patronising tone - not for the first time, I might add - in what came over as a very negative response. I made the initial suggestion in good faith, well aware that there would be considerable difficulties to be overcome. Nevertheless, I still think it is a way forward.

Anahata, in another thread, made the comment that the source recordings are mainly consulted by the professionals. One reason for this (though not the only one), I suggest is that these recordings are not readily available to an "average" amateur like myself. I agree there is Topic's "Voice of the People" series, but to buy the complete set would involve a considerable outlay. One advantage of the Internet is that you can download individual tracks. Of course it may prove necessary to charge for downloads, but that is reasonable providing the price is right.

Subject: RE: morality of collecting
From: The Sandman
Date: 28 Feb 22 - 08:58 AM

quote from the obituary
Publicity wasn’t his style; his first love was the music.

It probably isn’t widely known that Dave Bulmer also acquired the rights to material from a number of small record labels who had recorded other aspects of British culture including various recordings of Brass Bands. Dave wasn’t a collector in the sense of a Cecil Sharp or a Peter Kennedy, but he had amassed a vast amount of material in his stores."
The music HAS BEEN in effect lost, it has not been released for 40 years. I made a recording with The New Mexborough English Concertina Quartet in 1986 this has been acquired by Dave Bulmer and is unreleased . I understand that music by NicJones an old man who can no longer play is also unreleased and owned by the Bulmer Family.
if his first love was the music why is this material unreleased.

Subject: RE: morality of collecting
From: The Sandman
Date: 28 Feb 22 - 09:00 AM

Subject: RE: morality of collecting
From: The Sandman - PM
Date: 29 May 07 - 01:18 PM

I believe Cecil Sharp,paid some of his sources.did he not pay for Kimbers concertina to be repaired[Correct me if Iam wrong].
Frank Kidson always offered to buy his source a drink.
Dave Bulmer,has at least two tunes in the collection that I am under the impression were composed by Paddy Fahey,I hope he had his permission to use this material,and reimbursed him.

Subject: RE: morality of collecting
From: The Sandman
Date: 01 Mar 22 - 01:31 PM

Dave Bulmers business dealings have had a result of some recorded music being suppressed, this includes Bright Phoebus and some of the work of Nic Jones, and a Recording of New Mexborough English Concertina Quartet Sharp in contrast collected music but published it .
Dave was more like a collector of birds eggs or Butterflies in the sense that certain aspects of his collection were never shown to the public or available to the public.
what an Epitaph

Subject: RE: morality of collecting
From: Sol
Date: 01 Mar 22 - 04:37 PM

As a songwriter (of sorts), I would much rather my songs were out there in the world being sung or listened to by somebody somewhere - anywhere, (even for free!) than to have them condemned to eternal obsurity in some "collector's" cupboard.

What baffles me is, what kind of odd pleasure do collectors (aka hoarders) get from depriving the world of any kind of art form? Surely
after the collector's demise and through the passage of time, the items will cease to have any viable form of generating income or having any real value to the inheritors? They would be better sold off and/or made free to people who will cherish and respect their true value.   

(BTW, tin hat on ready for a possible 'Royaltists Revolt') ;-)

Subject: RE: morality of collecting
From: Malcolm Storey
Date: 01 Mar 22 - 05:27 PM

Can't say you didn't regurgitate this one Dick.

Hey Ho.

Subject: RE: morality of collecting
From: The Sandman
Date: 02 Mar 22 - 01:12 AM

I think it is important to keep this in folk music public awareness .
   Nic Jones cannot play as a result of a car accident, he is an old man his music has been suppressed. periodically this is going to be brought to the attention of the public, everything in these posts will stick to facts,

Subject: RE: morality of collecting
From: The Sandman
Date: 02 Mar 22 - 02:19 AM

this from Ralph Jordan, many years ago
Subject: RE: morality of collecting
From: GUEST,Ralphie - PM
Date: 03 Jun 07 - 04:08 AM

Happy Sunday everybody.
Just a few points.
Interestingly, Joe Offer has closed the Phoebus thread. I wonder who it was that asked him to do that?
Hardly surprising I suppose. This whole sorry saga must make strange reading to our friends across the pond. And the vitriol released in that thread (inc me, Mea Culpa) Has obfuscated the very deep feelings felt by a lot of us Brits over this affair.
Malcolm. (and John Adams hi!)
Thanks for your input, It's really good to know that the rights to some of the rarest recordings remain safe.

It would be wonderful if this collection of recordings could be made available.

Messrs Howson, Hall, Stradling, Engle.
I would be happy to help in the process.

Mr Greenhaus.

From what I know, you have been absolutely clear about your dealings "With the Trade"
Of course, you are running a business, no problem.
You deal with whoever approaches you, in your own way.
But, as has been stated many times, this isn't about money.
I know that you have been squeaky clean in your dealings with Julia Jones (Mollie Music). And I salute you for that.
It's wonderful that these compilations of Nics work are available in the US.
But, what a shame that the original recordings of the first 4 albums are being sneakily put out, (a sort of, meet you in the car park, and I'll slip you a copy, sort of way)
I just find it very sad.
Everbody else, Thanks for your input, but lets just stay with the facts, and stop sniping at each other.
Oxygen of Publicity
Great phrase, but it can turn round and bite you, if you're not careful.
Joe can close as many threads as he likes, but, sadly this topic (sic) won't go away, (I really wish it would)
Have a nice day

Ralph

Subject: RE: morality of collecting
From: The Sandman
Date: 02 Mar 22 - 02:58 AM

Subject: RE: morality of collecting
From: Steve Shaw - PM
Date: 30 May 07 - 06:03 PM

QUOTE From: WFDU - Ron Olesko - PM

"This is a complicated subject. A contract is a contract, and while 'moral' issues may be present, there are also 'ethical' questions.   

I'm not defending Bulmer, everything I have read about him makes him sound slimey. Still, I think there are other sides to the issue."

Yes indeed, there are other sides to the issue all right. Here's one of them. One of the very finest singers in the English or any other tradition made some sublime albums. The rights to those recordings passed to a bloke who will not allow this wonderful man to make a single penny from them, in spite of the fact that he came upon very hard times and was unable to perform ever again.   Please do not bore me with you weasel moral, ethical or contractual issues.

Subject: RE: morality of collecting
From: The Sandman
Date: 02 Mar 22 - 10:31 AM

What concerns me is the action of A certain business man who has suppressed the music of Nic Jones, and a recording called Bright Phoebus and other recordings these have not seen the light of day for decades.

lack of publicity since he died has achieved nothing.it is important to remind people periodically, lest we forget NicJ ones can no longer play, and is an old man.
as Ralph Jordan said before he died the oxygen of publicity is important providing we stick to facts , that is what i am doing.
my health is fine, i have been out fundraising successfully for a folk festival.
that is what i do play music sing and run folk festivals to give people pleasure.
I do not try to be a busisness man I care about injustice, and while something maybe perfectly legal ,i have the right to question the moral ethics of what i know has happened on the uk folk scene. I will not be quietened by anonymous guest posts