SunCube Fiasco

Subject: BS: Keef has writted a book!
From: Keef
Date: 20 Nov 13 - 10:57 PM

Note to mods.
I know I get a bit boring about this Green Scamming thing but could you please not combine this with the now closed and defunct Sun Whatsit thread. I might be an idjit but I do have a serious point to make.
WATCH OUT there are scammers about!

Here is my book on the subject http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00GPAGPR6

The Great SunCube Swindle
Publication Date: November 16, 2013
The true story of how a small time Aussie con-man stole millions from investors and caused billion dollar losses on the stockmarket with a claim that he would save our small blue planet
It took one lone and determined crusader 8 years to put a stop to this scam.
Read how swindlers are using greenwash to avoid closer examination of their TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE hyperbole.
Read how the corporate regulators fail in their duty to protect the public and how legal loopholes allow crooks the presumption of innocence.

Here is what one forum reader thought about the work that Keef is doing.

" BRAVO! I am experienced in cleantech and have seen many failed ventures but hadn't even thought about the scam aspect of these. I was naive enough to continue believing these start-ups were just overly optimistic or poorly planned. Your posts on this thread have honestly given me that "Duh" moment.
Unrealistic and losing business propositions continue to see funding because the amount of optimism in the clean energy category is unmatched, and the understanding of basic science amongst investors is severely lacking.....You would think society would slowly wise up after being repeatedly burned so many times...
anyway, keep up the good work exposing this charade."

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You're posting about the same basic thing over and over. You don't seem to care if others are interested, so it comes off as a little spammy. But the reason these posts are combined is that they're all about the same subject.

I re-opened this thread.

Subject: BS: When Keefy met Greggy
From: Keef
Date: 20 Nov 13 - 04:39 AM

Gotcha!

Subject: RE: BS: The Great SunCube Swindle
From: Keef
Date: 17 Nov 13 - 09:14 PM

Well, Greg Waatson is an American and as mad as a meat axe but I thought it was worth the risk!

Subject: RE: BS: The Great SunCube Swindle
From: GUEST
Date: 17 Nov 13 - 09:02 PM

Oh, now I get it, Keef--you're the guy who was pretending to be from the power company. Here in the US, you could have (and likely would have) been shot if you'd done something like that. Not saying that it would be right...just saying.

Subject: RE: BS: The Great SunCube Swindle
From: Keef
Date: 17 Nov 13 - 08:57 PM

There IS a bit of music involved!

The Ballad of Greg Watson

Come and listen to a story
Bout a man named Greg
A poor old aging scammer
Barely kept his fambly fed
And then one day he was looking at his roof
Said I'll dream me up a sunball
And I'll say that it's the troof



Well the sunball turned to suncube
And to mark two three four five
And the money kept on flowing
It felt good to be alive
But those customers kept asking
When those suncubes they'd be getting
And they started asking questions
Bout the things Greg kept forgettin
Like....Proof Greg
Simple proof
Taint hard

Well now Greg he chucked a wobbly
And he said you won't be gettin
Not a single bloody suncube
Cos it's secret...I'm not tellin
But youse can all still buy a share
In my solar funny farm
And I'm keepin all the money
So there's no cause for alarm
Gold
Green and Gold
YEE HARRRR!

Well Greg he's building factries
In Indya and Korea
But Keef he said
Hey Greg..just cut the crap
And get on out of here
Your proposals are preposterous
Your aim is very clear
So take your stupid Suncubes
And insert them in your rear!
..............................................

I even get to sing it on the show!
Nice banjo accompaniment
Lots of YEE-HARS

Happy daze are here again!

Subject: RE: BS: The Great SunCube Swindle
From: Keef
Date: 17 Nov 13 - 08:50 PM

Because the Cat is where the sorry story started...
http://mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=102146

Mudcat was the only place I could find that would allow me to express my healthy scepticism about the claims made for this wonderful planet saving green widget.

Sadly I was unable to stop the swindle from duping many innocent investors out of their life savings.

Subject: RE: BS: The Great SunCube Swindle
From: Charmion
Date: 17 Nov 13 - 08:40 PM

And you're posting this on the 'Cat because ... ?

Subject: RE: BS: The Great SunCube Swindle
From: Keef
Date: 17 Nov 13 - 08:40 PM

Tetchy tetchy tetchy!

From: Greg [mailto:[e-mail]]
Sent: Sunday, 17 November 2013 3:06 AM
To: Pangallo, Frank
Subject: You have no right to show my face nor that of anyone associated


Hi Frank,

Please note you nor TT nor Channel 7 nor anyone else has any right to show my face nor that of anyone else that may be associated and that prior approval to video / film has not been sought.

I note that you nor TT nor Channel 7 have NEVER sought my approval to show my face or that of anyone associated. Please ensure my face and that of anyone associated is totally blocked out in any video/s and/or film/s that have been taken without my / their express prior written approval and permission.

This email. like all the others, are also being faxed to Channel 7 Adelaide, Channel 7 Sydney, the Free TV regulator, my lawyers and others.

If you or anyone else has any issues with any if the emails I have sent, please let me know ASAP..

Regards,

Greg.

Subject: BS: The Great SunCube Swindle
From: Keef
Date: 17 Nov 13 - 08:36 PM

Adelaide inventor Greg Watson is about to get some wonderful publicity for his planet saving SunCube solar energy device.
But he's not happy!

From: Greg [mailto:[e-mail]]
Sent: Saturday, 16 November 2013 12:09 PM
To: Pangallo, Frank
Subject: Re: Your recent visit

Frank,

Just saw the clip about the SunCube being a scam.

Channel 7 are hereby instructed to immediately stop further showing of this clip and of the item on Monday or I will initiate defamation proceedings against:
Channel 7

Personally against:
The producer of Today Tonight.
Frank Pangallo
Keith Leech
and any others involved in this activity.

The statements I heard on the clip are totally false and without proof.
If you do not have proof of these claims that will stand up in court, well you know what will be the outcome.
I know there is no proof as I lived the events.
Keith Leech is conning you.
Using TT to publicly embarrass me.
This is not the first time he has tried this.
In the past he dreamed up that GGE and out US solar cell supplier Emcore had conspired to defraud Emcore's shareholders.
Despite the claims being totally BS, the Emcore share price (public US company) dropped quite a bit.
Emcore has also publicaly stated the claims were false.
The US SEC investigated the claims and also found them to be false.
Then the Emcore shareholders filed a class action against Emcore, again based on the Keith theory.
That action also failed as the claimed were again found to be false.

So Keith has track record of making false claims against me and GGE, and then having no regard for the considerable damage to Emcore shareholder value, launched his BS attack against me via Emcore.
You need to understand Keith will make up the wildest claims, yet have no proof of wrong doing.
As he failed to destroy me via the Emcore false claim, it seems he has now turned his sights on TT.

Don't be conned by this guy as the Emcore shareholders were.
You need to talk to me before this costs you and Channel 7 a lot of money.

Greg Watson
Professional Inventor, masturbator and Foreign Exchange expert. 8)


On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 8:33 PM, Greg wrote:

Hi Frank,

I do apologise for not being available but currently I spend a lot of time in bed recovering from the flu and my most recent bout of Malaria. I'm not really in a state to discuss things with you face to face but should be able to handle a few simple email questions.
First may I say that I'm amazed you appear to be associated with Keith Leech.
Yesterday, claiming to be an employee of the power company and wanting to discuss smart meter rollout, he tried unsuccessfully to force himself inside. He was dressed in a yellow safety vest, workmen safety shoes and wearing what looked like an identity badge on a cord around his neck, with a folder of some sort in his hand. When I told him I was not feeling well and was not interested, he forced his foot into the door way, preventing me from closing it. He then started shouting various statements such as he was going to punch me in the face, plant his boot up my ass and that I owed him money. I do not know this individual by sight and until yesterday never saw him before.
Finally after many requests for him to remove his boot, he did so. I then closed the door and went back to bed. Today a neighbours told he they saw him being interviewed on the footpath by what looked like a TV crew. Is this how you now operate Frank?
BTW this individual, that I have never had any business dealing with, has publicly stated many years ago (around 2007 I think) that he will stalk he and will not stop until I'm totally destroyed. If you doubt that I have more than ample proof.

Why he does what he does is beyond me? His only beef may be that I did not sell him a SunCube. He tried to order, like a lot of others but GGE never accepted 1 order nor never asked for any deposits nor asked for upfront funds.

Thanks to the federal government refusing to grant the produce approved status and then Standards Australia altering AS5033 in such a way to make it impossible to have a code compliant installed solar concentrator PV products in Australia, it was never possible to sell / install SunCubes in Australia. Even today only flat panels can be installed to be compliant with AS5033.

Frank this is all very old news. Nothing new here.

As Keith has now threatened violence and practiced planned deception (his outfit and claim to be working for the electricity company) to gain entry against me, with obvious foreplanning of the event, I'm now considering reporting the incident to the police and seeking a restraining order against him.
As I stated above Frank, I'm sure you and Channel 7 are not in the habit of getting people to pose as someone they are not, especially using such a guise to gain entry where they may not be welcome.

Best regards,

Greg Watson

Subject: RE: BS: SunCube and other Green Widget Scams
From: Keef
Date: 09 May 12 - 08:45 AM

Magnet Power
The gift that keeps on giving!

---- Original Message -----
From: Greg Watson
To: Vortex
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2012 12:56 AM
Subject: [Vo]:Re: Magnetic motor generators

Hi Guys
We have been informed that a company named Eagle Research is in violation of patents owned by my company Watson Alternative Neutron Kinetics P/L

See text below....


"As soon as we have enough money to build and test the prototypes (see sidebar thermometer), I must SHUT OFF this offer. This is the agreement that the inventor and I have made. Eagle-Research will make plans available again ONLY if he and I come to a new agreement AFTER the testing is done.
Only the people who make this donation now will continue to have access to the Eagle-Research Nowling Motor Resources and any continuing research after the shut off.
So... if you want the full plans (and access to later updates), this may be your only chance. And it will CERTAINLY be your only chance at this price. Once tested, and if the plans work, the price will be much higher.
We are providing the plans by donation BECAUSE they are not tested or proven in any way. We are giving you everything we know to date, partly to obtain the funding we need to build and test a prototype but also to get the plans out into at least 300 hands in case they DO WORK! So Vested Interest can't stop THIS Free Energy technology.
The funds you provide will reimburse expenses already incurred and then pay for the time, prototype parts, assembly, testing, customer corespondence and posting a report to the Resources. The budget for all of this is $4000.
You can donate more than once by putting a higher number in the quantity field below.
I am commited to proceeding with the project as soon as the $4000 goal is reached"
Eagle Research ( Cuckoo Research?)

Eagle-Research will shortly be receiving a legal summonds from our legal council.
This is a blatant attempt to duplicate my Rotary Smot Overunity Levitation Energiser - ( R.SOLE™) invention which is protected by over 19 International patents and has already been marketed around the world and generated several million dollars in revenue for Watson Alternative Neutron Kinetics P/L
We will have no hesitation in prosecuting those in violation of the Intellectual Property rights which are tightly held by our company.
I am greatly disappointed that any company would seek to rip off my invention which represents over 400 man-years of cutting edge technology at the coal face of engineering research aimed to break the monopoly held by big oil and flat panel solar companies.

My legal team has assured me that I am 100% certain to win this case and be awarded many millions of dollars in damages.
I intend to donate all the proceeds to worthy causes such as underprivileged airline passengers who are forced to travel in economy class and stay in 4 star hotels.

I would like to take this opportunity of thanking all those members of Vortex who have given me financial support in perfecting my SMOT marketing scheme which the first major commercial success for our company and allowed us to move forward with the SunBall (Mark 1 to 73) and also the SunCube (Mark 5to 87)


Best Regards
Greg Watson

Subject: RE: BS: SunCube and other Green Widget Scams
From: Keef
Date: 01 May 12 - 12:41 PM

Help save our small blue planet and make LOTS of munny

Take part NOW in an amazing altruistic and potentially highly financially rewarding opportunity.....
Ack ack ack gag gag BLEUGH sploosh sploosh!

Subject: RE: BS: SunCube and other Green Widget Scams
From: Keef
Date: 30 Apr 12 - 02:31 PM

The scandalous tale of one of the greatest business scams in Australian business history - the controversial fuel pill, Firepower.

A magic pill that cuts fuel consumption and reduces emissions ...... that was the miracle promised by Tim Johnsto' s company, Firepower.

Everyone believed him; prime ministers and presidents, doctors and diplomats, business leaders and sporting heroe - even ASIC the corporate watchdo - went along with the myth. Millions of shares were sold to investors, and by 2007, Firepower had become the biggest sporting sponsor in the country.

But it was all a sham. In this compelling account, Gerard Ryle demolishes the fairytale, exposing a wobbly financial pyramid and the greatest fraud ever committed in Australia

Tim Johnston divided his people into Oranges and Lemons. Those who did' t know him enough yet, he called Oranges. They thought he was nice and sweet and juicy. But those who really got to know him became Lemons: he left them bitter and twisted'

An excellent read. Gerard commented on the psychological peculiarity that victims would rather accept more lies from the conman than face up to the fact that they have been dudded.

Subject: RE: BS: SunCube and other Green Widget Scams
From: Keef
Date: 30 Apr 12 - 02:25 PM

It's not only greedy bastards who get taken in by conmen.
A successful conman (often a sociopath) has the ability to push the correct button for each victim.
Sometimes (but not always) the button is greed.
Fear can also be a useful tool, "you know your wife might be really disappointed that you didn't take this chance to get in at the start and make some good money for your family.
Another ploy is to appeal to the good nature of the victim " this is a great opportunity for you to really do something to help the environment.
I've been a salesman (got fired for taking the customers side!) and you would be amazed how easy it is to trap people into a commitment before they even realise its happened. The "assumed close" is a great one.

You should read Firepower by Gerard Ryle
Hundreds of people got taken for millions of dollars and they were not all greedy or stupid.

My campaign is aimed at getting the authorities (in particular ASIC)
to enforce the law or even change the law so that the presumption of innocence does not apply to conmen.

These bastards usually have previous form which can easily be found online.
If I could find out about Greg Watson's previous exploits (which also include the failure of MicroByte Solutions directed by Watson)never mind the SMOT nonsense.
Even after they were tipped off by me they failed to act.
Likewise the SEC in America.


"Now all the criminals in their coats and their ties
Are free to drink martinis and watch the sun rise"

Ain't it the truth?

Subject: RE: BS: SunCube and other Green Widget Scams
From: Paul Burke
Date: 30 Apr 12 - 01:51 PM

Point taken Keef, but I honestly don't mind greedy bastards being skinned by conmen. As for the others, just trumpet out loud: never buy into a technology you don't understand, and if it looks like a free lunch, you're probably the filling in the pasties.

Subject: RE: BS: SunCube and other Green Widget Scams
From: Keef
Date: 30 Apr 12 - 10:29 AM

If you should happen to see my friend Greggy do please pass on my regards!

Subject: RE: BS: SunCube and other Green Widget Scams
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 30 Apr 12 - 10:10 AM

Thanks for the info, Keef.

Subject: RE: BS: SunCube and other Green Widget Scams
From: Keef
Date: 30 Apr 12 - 09:45 AM

Greg Watson has now done a runner to the USA.
That might prove to have been a mistake.

Case Summary

The lawsuit is for purchasers of the common stock of Emcore Corporation (NASDAQ: EMKR) between June 12, 2007 and June 30, 2008.   

The lawsuit alleges that the Company made false and misleading statements throughout the class period in violation of federal securities laws by publishing statements that its main customer, Green and Gold Energy ("GGE"), was a viable company that could afford to purchase the product it had backordered from Emcore. In fact, the lawsuit alleges, Emcore knew that Green and Gold Energy would not be able to pay for its backlogged orders because, among other things, Emcore knew that: (1) the CEO of GGE formerly promoted a failed venture to produce a "perpetual motion machine" (a machine that modern science has proven cannot be made, and for which investors reportedly lost all their money), (2) GGE did not even have a plant to build the machine in which it was going to use the product it ordered from Emcore, (3) the prototype of GGE's machine in which it would use Emcore's product was not functional, and (4) the company GGE touted as it "exclusive distributor" (Zolar Distributors) was a sham company with no physical address created by GGE itself. Moreover, the lawsuit alleges that Emcore's insiders traded on the information that they concealed from the investing public, making big profits on unscheduled and unusual trades that they made ahead of the precipitous fall in the Company's share price.

On March 18, 2008, reports that GGE was not a viable company started to surface. On the basis of these reports, and Emcore's rebuttal to the reports, made the same day, which failed to address the specific allegations against GGE, the price of Emcore's shares dropped precipitously, falling more that 23% from the previous day's trading, on heavy volume.

Look behind you Greggy
You can run, but you can't hide!

Subject: RE: BS: SunCube and other Green Widget Scams
From: Keef
Date: 30 Apr 12 - 04:47 AM

"I do think though Keef, that if you put as much energy into looking for genuine solutions as you do into opposing bogus ones, you'd make a better contribution. The scammers can operate because the world is looking for an easy way out of a huge problem. It's possible (probable?) that there is no solution; in which case we're fucked. But let's try to look for one."

I know I am pushing shit uphill with a pointed stick BUT

Ralph Nader did not design any new cars
He did however make a contribution to automobile safety.

I think the renewable energy industry is also "unsafe at any speed"
and I think it is time to build in safety features to reduce the injury caused by car crashes like Green & Gold Energy and Solyndra.

No, that's all right, no need to thank me, just doing my job....
Kindly send Nobel prize c/- P.O.Box 1234 Bogafreakingbilla, Beyond Black Stump, Never Never Land.

Subject: RE: BS: SunCube and other Green Widget Scams
From: Keef
Date: 29 Apr 12 - 04:15 PM

It's a serious problem Paul
They are robbing investors large and small.
Many of the scams attract investments from superannuation funds whose members had no say in the matter.
Other investments come from retirees and redundancy payees who fall for the promised high returns.
This does NOTHING to create the needed breakthroughs in renewable energy.
It diverts money that could have been used for genuine research.


Rossi's Australian Investment Opportunity Falls ThroughPosted on February 13, 2012 by Steven B. Krivit
An Australian believer in Andrea Rossi's "Energy Catalyzer" has failed to obtained money to acquire the Australian rights to Rossi's device.

Solihin Millin, from Murwillumbah, Byron Bay, Australia, asked potential investors for money to acquire the Australian rights to Rossi's device. One of the potential investors was Dick Smith, a successful Australian businessman and philanthropist. Millin asked him for AUS$200,000.

Smith had some doubts so he asked the Australian Skeptics Society to look into the merits of Rossi's device. They had doubts, too, and warned Smith, who decided to pass on the opportunity.

Millin, in turn, threatened to sue Smith for damages of AUS$100 million because, according to Millin, he lost the time-sensitive opportunity to acquire the Australian E-Cat rights.

Millin runs an organization in Australia called Byron New Energy Charitable Trust, also known as the Byron New Energy Group. New Energy Times spoke with Millin on Feb. 1, but he declined to comment.

ECAT SCAM - BUSTED!

Subject: RE: BS: SunCube and other Green Widget Scams
From: Paul Burke
Date: 29 Apr 12 - 02:14 PM

I do think though Keef, that if you put as much energy into looking for genuine solutions as you do into opposing bogus ones, you'd make a better contribution. The scammers can operate because the world is looking for an easy way out of a huge problem. It's possible (probable?) that there is no solution; in which case we're fucked. But let's try to look for one.

Subject: RE: BS: SunCube and other Green Widget Scams
From: Keef
Date: 29 Apr 12 - 01:23 PM

The Professor is IN!

Subject: RE: BS: SunCube and other Green Widget Scams
From: Keef
Date: 29 Apr 12 - 01:04 PM

It must be real, I've seen the video

GIVE US ALL YOUR MUNNY!

ALL THESE PEOPLE BELIEVE IT...SO SHUT UP KEEF

That nasty GLOBAL OIL CARTEL is trying to suppress it

Crewton Ramone's Blog Of Math, July 7, 2011 6:06 AM
The silence of American Media is again a tell tale sign of whom it is that controls the media and whom it is that benefits from the media and it is not the American people.

They have done a fine job of keeping this information from the people with every manner of distraction. It is such a threat that they don't want ANY attention placed on it not even negative attention because even negative attention is still attention which could lead some to look further and realize just how BIG this is.

Cheap energy is the ultimate game changer...it's up to the blogosphere to spread this information at the grassroots level. This will have two fold effect, not only will the information spread but the MSM will be further exposed as the servants of the banksters who own big oil and nuclear power which are the mainstay of the energy establishment. Soon they will be unable to ignore it. Meantime, use their silence to your advantage.

Subject: RE: BS: SunCube and other Green Widget Scams
From: Keef
Date: 29 Apr 12 - 12:40 PM

If you are going to have a Green Widget scam, you might as well make it a REALLY BIG ONE!

Markus NApr 12, 2012 (edited) - Public
Defkalion Green Technologies
3 Xanthou Street
Glyfada 16674
Greece

10th April, 2012

Dear Sirs,
You have shown interest in our company either for commercial, technical, scientific or research-based reasons. This letter is sent to you privately; it is not a press release, nor intended for publication. We will soon be making our public announcements accordingly. We honour our word to reciprocate your good will and interest in our work during a period that could be defined as "business as unusual". From now on, we progress full steam ahead, business as usual.

For over 20 years many have believed in the existence of a new thermal energy source known as Low Energy Nuclear Reactions (LENR). A considerable body of literature, measurements and tests have been pursued by laboratories in many countries. The LENR field has yet to provide a concrete understanding of the fundamental theory. A lot of work still needs to be done in the theoretical analysis and beyond.

Defkalion scientific team consists of scientific and engineering experts. It has successfully managed to trigger and monitor Chemically Assisted Low Energy Nuclear Reactions caused by Nickel and Hydrogen nuclei. This unique LENR technology is based on proprietary methodologies and engineering designs.

Defkalion has conducted third party tests on its core technology by internationally recognized and reputable private and public organizations from Europe and America. Today, there is solid, unambiguous evidence confirming our technology. We are at the dawn of a new era of clean, inexpensive, limitless renewable energy.

We believe that LENR is a technology that should be benefited by everybody. Our core philosophy and vision were always based on responsible use. We believe in creating new opportunities for fossil free energy which will have a huge impact on climate change and carbon emissions. It goes without saying that our technology will also have a great positive impact on the Greek economy with dynamic implications on the global economy. We support the transition of low cost energy to third world countries while also showing commitment to an entirely new field of scientific research that will initiate new products through research and development as well as the rebirth of high cost energy technologies.

It is unlikely that the commercialization of LENR technology will have an immediate significant decrease in fossil fuel consumption, but a very dramatic psychological impact is expected. Investors will see the medium and long-term implications of significantly lower energy prices, and consequentially lower the assessed value of soon-to-be obsolete energy infrastructure, conventional energy companies, and long-term contracts for their relatively expensive products.

Defkalion will become the first global player in LENR using its proprietary technology to commercialize its new products and diversify into new Research & Development efforts for new applications. It plans to have a fully operational prototype ready by July 2012.

Defkalion has the most advanced technical and business development in this new energy paradigm as confirmed and verified by long time LENR experts. Although we still have some more months ahead of us before our commercial product is finalized for market entry, we are ready today to share our plans with potential partners.

Our launch-strategy for this technology with minimal risk of failure encompasses fast speed, wide applications, many countries, competitive pricing, protection against competition, as well as in-depth international support.
Your interest represents one of over 1,000 entities from more than 70 countries. Our business with potential partners is two-fold: either as an OEM to manufacture, sell and service our products in given countries, or to jointly create R&D project towards new applications using our technology.

Defkalion business is primarily a technology licensing company with expected revenues being generated from the following models:

a. OEM License Agreements
Licenses to build and sell Hyperion products are sold to companies with exclusivity for a given country. Each license sold for Euros 40.5 million represents one factory with maximum capacity 300,000 units annually (varying capacity and numbers of factories will change the fee accordingly). No further royalty fees are paid by Licensees. Powder (cartridge format) will be sold as a component to each Hyperion unit.

Defkalion selects one company as OEM from every country based on their readiness to run this technology in their country, their willingness to execute the project, and their ability to handle a 100 million Euro investment.
Defkalion shall provide to every OEM Licensee a full Transfer of Technology & Know-How concerning production, maintenance, installation and recharge of Hyperion products. This will be done after signing of contracts and will be done in phases through a deliverables matrix.

b. Joint Ventures through R&D
Companies can further develop Defkalion's proprietary LENR technology as a heat source through joint R&D for specific processes and/or applications according to their expertise as global leaders in their own industry. Defkalion shall partner with them with global distribution rights as niche market players, where R&D is coordinated in Greece.
Existing interest has already come from the following sectors: marine propulsion; water desalination; automobile; small aircraft; mining/extraction; telecom towers; cooling/heating; green-houses; fertilizers; food & beverage; cement; commercial heating; household heating; drying industry; data storage; hospitals; airport take-off & landing strips; district heating; battery charging.

Should you be interested to continue through one of these approaches, please contact us accordingly. For entities and/or individuals that wish simply to purchase units, you will have to wait until there is a representative in your country. For businesses and/or technical interests, we will need from you the following:

Entity name, CEO/Director's name, main address, website, contact details
History, operational overview, LENR interest

Future milestone events that you can expect from Defkalion are the following:
Presentation of a fully functioning prototype shown to the international scientific community, open to the world's media, during the summer of 2012.

Not long after, an international press conference with all the companies involved in this project and the OEMs from each country having signed a contract with us.

We look forward to hearing from those of you whose interest corresponds to our business models. We wish the rest of you - whose anticipation remains the witnessing of a final product - patience and support.

Kind Regards,

Symeon Tsalikoglou
Director, Business Development & Marketing
Praxen Defkalion Green Technologies (Global) Ltd.

THANK YOU KINDLY FOR THE OFFER
WHEN DO YOU NEED THE MUNNY?

Subject: RE: BS: SunCube and other Green Widget Scams
From: Paul Burke
Date: 29 Apr 12 - 10:39 AM

They have a WORKING PLANT, you only have to go to Jakarta to see for yourself! How can you possibly complain about something that works according to Newtown's Laws and the flow of physics? There is plenty of scope to develop it too, using Bayesian Probability and Quantum Tunneling.

$o= $i + (Ni * $pi) - $l where Ni is the number of idiots, $pi is the sum payed per idiot, and $l is the cost of laundering the loot overseas.

Subject: RE: BS: SunCube and other Green Widget Scams
From: Keef
Date: 29 Apr 12 - 09:13 AM

FAQ


Is Hidro+ a Perpetual Motion Machine?
No because the perpetual motion and conservation of energy refers to thermodynamic principles (1st, 2nd and 3rd laws); but not fluid mechanics and dynamics, flow of physics, Archimedes Principles and Newtown's Laws (1st and 2nd Laws of Physics).

Now to put the above explanation into relevant equations and technically referred to as Energy and Mass Balance:
*        In energy conversion: Ei = Eo - ZL; where Ei= energy input on continuous basis, such as coal, gas, biomass as heat energy, wave and wind as mechanical energy.; Eo= Energy output in electrical energy; ZL=zigma Losses due to energy conversion and frictions, and ambience conditions.

*        In perpetual motion: Ei = Eo + DE; where Ei=a one-time-only energy input, such as movements of filaments due to heat and pressure variants from ambience conditions, and/or mechanical energy.; Eo= energy output in electrical energy; DE= delta energy gained due to whatever (which we concur with you as invalid!).

*        In Hidro+: Ei + EProd = Eo - ZL; where: Ei= electrical energy input on continuous basis; EProd=energy gained due to deep water pressure energy conversion including bouyancy at 1010kg/m3 and deep water pressure at 1bar (100kPa) per meter of water depth; Eo= energy output including gravity and potential energy of freefall object and terminal velocity; ZL=zigma losses due to conversion and frictions, etc.

OH! that's all right then.

Ahem!

Subject: RE: BS: SunCube and other Green Widget Scams
From: Keef
Date: 29 Apr 12 - 09:00 AM

Careful...it might be coming to a place near you
Hidro UK (send munny please)

Renewable Utilities holds the Hidro Generation Technology exclusive license for the United Kingdom & Ireland. This includes manufacturing, owning and operating Hidro generating plants together with sub-licensing the asset to third parties.

If you missed out on the chance to buy a SUNCUBE licence then here is another opportunity.
FREE ENERGY for all!
How could you possibly go wrong?

Subject: RE: BS: SunCube and other Green Widget Scams
From: Keef
Date: 29 Apr 12 - 08:50 AM

And then there is this one The energy problem is solved...woo woo!

Mr James Kwok
CPEng; FIEAust; MCMechE; FAIM; NPER1; Chartered Professional Engineer and Fellow Institution of Engineers Australia.

Mr James Kwok is the inventor/technologist of numerous world patents pending including vortexodial turbine for wind energy; vortexodial turbine for wave energy; PortalGen and Solar-Prism for solar PV. James Kwok has been granted with nine Innovation Patents 2004100467-475, all with multiple commercial applications for various mechanical-components and systems used in low-emissions coal gasification plants and Fluidised Bed Combustion (FBC) Reactors. James Kwok holds the granted Patents for the commercially ready technology, hydrodynamic-cycle for deep water pressure energy conversion technology (Hidro+™). In 2008 Professor Ion Boldea of Politehnica University, Romania joined as a co-developer in Hidro+'s multi-module tower linear electric generator (MTLEG) technology, currently world patent pending the Hidro+ MTLEG is a joint patent between James Kwok and Professor Ion Boldea.

Sounds nice Jimmy
Why don"t you tell us a bit more about yourself?

The Hidro+ device is now being promoted through multiple companies, including Centium Electric (ASX) in Australia and Renewable Utilities UK in the UK. Online filing with ASX show that Centium has AU$200,000 in working capital and seems to be active recently. The site sharescene has an interesting thread on this company, and is numerous names which include Village Life Ltd (VLL), Fig Tree Developments (FTD), FTD Corporation (FTD) and most recently Centium Electric Limited (CUI). Investors beware - demand proof of performance just as you would if I claimed I had a cape of invisibility or could walk through stone walls unharmed. If any company attempts to sell you one of these machines, you can report to North American anti fraud groups and it will end up in international police databases. National Consumers League's Fraud Center (on-line complaint form) Federal Trade Commission (on-line complaint form), Canadian Anti-Fraud Center (they share with US authorities) FBI Tips (on-line form). In Australia you can submit to Australian Competition & Consumer Commission.

In 2007, The Australian Securities and Investments Commission stated "Mr Kwok was sentenced in the Sydney District Court today after being found guilty, following a two-week trial in October 2006, of dishonestly using his position as a director under the Corporations Act. ASIC alleged that Mr Kwok acted dishonestly while a director of Envirostar Energy Limited (Envirostar), a publicly listed company, by not disclosing his interest in two parcels of land leased by Envirostar. The leases over the land commenced in mid-2000 but Mr Kwok's interest was not discovered until August 2002 when he tendered his resignation from the Envirostar Board. Envirostar had paid rent of approximately $30,000 per month for the land."

http://www.nlcpr.com/Deceptions16.php

Subject: RE: BS: SunCube and other Green Widget Scams
From: Keef
Date: 29 Apr 12 - 08:35 AM

More GREEN WIDGETS!

Here is another CPV Widget company that trousered $20M from Kiwi investors and considerably more from investors around the world..

Geoffrey Taylor was the founding chairman - and he and his family were major shareholders - of Sunseeker Energy (Australasia), a solar energy company that traded on the secondary sharemarket in New Zealand. At its height, the company - whose chief executive was McAskill, the Melbourne businessman sentenced to six months' jail in 2003 - was valued at $NZ18 million and it had a number of related entities. They included Sunseeker Energy (Australia) that operated from Melbourne and the Swiss-registered Sunseeker Energy Holding AG that operated out of Hong Kong, but was listed on the Frankfurt stock exchange in 2009 at a purported 1 billion euros.
In April last year, New Zealand authorities cancelled the public listing of Sunseeker Energy (Australasia) for what it described as ''repeated infringement of the rules'', its ''failure to provide any information to the NZAX market regarding its business or operations'' and the firm's ''own admission … that it is insolvent''.

Sunseeker Widget (it's nice!)

Still going http://www.sunseekerenergy.com/

Should we continue to give them the benefit of the doubt?
Oh dear!

Subject: RE: BS: SunCube and other Green Widget Scams
From: Keef
Date: 26 Apr 12 - 08:24 AM

You know,I was kind of hoping to move on from my SunCube obsession and discuss other green widgets such as ..............................

Wacky solar ideas... CPV especially but not forgetting Solydra (OMG)

Wavepower widgets there are lots of those

New improved battery widgets especially Zinc Bromine Flow Batteries
(lots of companies touting those as the next big thing, coming real soon, disruptive technology, paradigm shift, send munny!)
Wacky wind widgets like http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpSTGxcRjrc
(yeah right!)

Nonetheless SunCube did provide some entertainment.
Have a read of this thread for wild promises and threats to sue EVERYONE for defamation

My SunCube is lovely so shut up or I'll sue the lot of you!

Shame about the SunCube licensees though

I warned them....but they wouldn't listen



They really should have listened!

Subject: RE: BS: SunCube and other Green Widget Scams
From: Keef
Date: 26 Apr 12 - 07:55 AM

No Problem

http://www.caselaw.nsw.gov.au/action/pjudg?jgmtid=154368

I'll even make it easier for you
Watson said a bad bad thing!

Subject: RE: BS: SunCube and other Green Widget Scams
From: gnu
Date: 25 Apr 12 - 03:58 PM

So, can and will you cite the jurisdiction and case?

Subject: RE: BS: SunCube and other Green Widget Scams
From: Keef
Date: 25 Apr 12 - 03:55 PM

Do you think they would listen to me?

http://www.standard.net.au/news/local/news/general/wave-power-inaction-a-waste-of-energy/1959233.aspx

Most (if not all) wavepower companies are nothing but a scam. They simply claim to have invented a wave widget which is almost ready for "commercialization" then launch a stock market IPO. Directors pay themselves million dollar salaries plus stock options then make excuses year after year for non delivery on their exaggerated claims of "Power 24/7 at lower than fossil fuel prices. Have a look at the history of OPTT (the main contender for the Portland project and the government handout that goes with it). They have NEVER delivered on a project. CEO George W Taylor (who claims to hold THREE Doctorates!!) has been paying himself millions of dollars a year for 25 years on the fantasy that his silly PowerBuoy can provide reliable and economic power. OPTT have NEVER delivered on a project. The only income the company derives is from government funded feasibility studies. In Cornwall and Scotland the wave hubs are ready and waiting, the government has paid for the PowerBuoys but OPTT are not quite ready....the PB40 was only a Prototype...here comes PB150...need more time...PB500 coming real soon... http://web.archive.org/web/*/http ://www.oceanpowertechnologies.com /
Posted by Keef Wivanef, 10/10/2010 3:37:08 PM, on The Warrnambool Standard

NO, OF COURSE THEY WOULDN'T!

IN LATE 2009, Energy Minister Martin Ferguson shocked analysts by awarding a $66 million grant to a little-known wave power project off the south-west coast of Victoria.
The US-based Ocean Power Technologies - touting a relationship with Leighton Holdings - beat their more fancied wave-power competitors to the money with a proposal to build a 19-megawatt development near Portland.
Two years on and there is no physical evidence of the project in Victorian waters, leaving clean energy proponents, including defeated rivals, wondering whether it has been a gamble that will not pay off.

In an interview with The Saturday Age, Ocean Power's directors say that despite the naysayers (SHUT UP KEEF) they have made quiet progress. And early next year they want to begin laying cables and putting the first of their ''power buoy'' generation units into the ocean, ready to produce renewable energy.
The director of Ocean Power's Australian arm, Gilbert George, said initial delays occurred during lengthy discussion over the conditions and the contract for the grant.
''It is new technology and the federal government, I think quite rightly, wanted to be conservative, it's taxpayers' money,'' Mr George said.
He said the government also set a major condition for the grant: a demonstration of the latest power buoy design. The company met this requirement in Scotland last year.
Australian-born George Taylor - Ocean Power's founder and executive chairman - said that since winning the grant a technical report had also been ticked off federally on the potential energy per wave at the Portland site.
Ocean Power recently hired Keith Bowyer as managing director of the Portland project. They are preparing to seek environmental permits and have been meeting potential investors.
Dr Taylor said the company had spent time honing its technology, with systems in the water going back to 1997. He also pointed to grants Ocean Power had received from the US departments of Energy and Defence to help develop projects in Hawaii and Oregon.
In the past, questions have dogged Ocean Power about its performance. In 2008, its then British house broker Collins Stewart complained in The Times of London of the company ''displaying a total inability to deliver''.


Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/environment/energy-smart/victorian-wave-power-project-in-murky-water-20120120-1qacy.html#ixzz1t4zvEc10

Can we have some more MUNNY please?

Subject: RE: BS: SunCube and other Green Widget Scams
From: Keef
Date: 25 Apr 12 - 03:26 PM

Baglow v Smith 2011 ONSC 5131, Ontario Superior Court of Justice, Canada

No, not that one.
At least they did not put me in Guantanamo.

Now then, are you ready to hear about the WAVE WIDGETS?

Wave hubs built with taxpayer dollars in Orkney and Cornwall and guess what...
No WAVE WIDGETS to test.
They seem to be afraid of the water.

I wonder why?

Subject: RE: BS: SunCube and other Green Widget Scams
From: MarkS
Date: 25 Apr 12 - 03:11 PM

OK, so now the field is clear for me to market my perpetual motion machine?

Or the pill I can put in my gas tank so my car will run on water?

Or the pill I can take to make me irresistable to women? Oh wait, that one is real.

Mark

Subject: RE: BS: SunCube and other Green Widget Scams
From: gnu
Date: 25 Apr 12 - 02:24 PM

Is this the case?

Baglow v Smith 2011 ONSC 5131, Ontario Superior Court of Justice, Canada

Subject: BS: SunCube and other Green Widget Scams
From: Keef
Date: 25 Apr 12 - 09:31 AM

Remember me from the "Suncube Fiasco" thread?
SunCube Fiasco

Short version... Inventor claimed to have a wonderful new improved Green Widget called a SunCube which would be on sale very soon and it would save the planet and make LOTS of money for investors.
I called BULLSHIT here and on many other forums and the inventor got tetchy, promised to sue me and called me a criminal, liar etc etc.
I got tetchy as well and took him to court for defamation.
Cost me a heap of money but I won my case and was awarded damages plus costs.
KEEF WINS

Still waiting for my money, Green and Gold Energy is now in receivership and I am but one of many creditors.
Oh well, such is life.
Along the way I learned of many other Green Widget scams.
I would like to have a bit of a chat about them here on MudCat because almost every other forum bans me as soon as I start attacking the sacred cows.

But Keef - it's a new renewable energy device
What is wrong with you?
Why are you being so negative?

Errr......
Well cos I don't like to see taxpayers and investors money being shovelled down executives trousers.

Just take a closer look at some of these Green Widget companies and you will see that they have been doing a SunCube!
Nearly ready
New improved Mark 7 version ready next year
Can we have some more MUNNY pretty please!

Subject: RE: SunCube Fiasco
From: GUEST,Keef
Date: 12 Feb 10 - 07:26 PM

SUNCUBE GETS DODGY CERTIFICATE

Blind Freddy can see it!

Hallelujah .....I've seen the light.
(oh Lordy)
I've seen the light!
(oh Lordy)

Catchy isn't it?

Now where was I...

Greggy says that he has acieved IEC62108 after 8 months of rigorours testing
Solar farms to be built world wide.
Mark Simmons is over the moon.
Keef gets ready to eat his hat...

Except that... Greggy has now done another amazing backflip, and now says it is definitely a Eurocert certifate any way so don't be so freaking picky.
EXCEPT that it is only a VALID IEC 62108 Certificate will be accepted by USA, Australia, India, and JUST ABOUT FREAKING ANYWHERE on this planet.

Hi Shrikanth,
Please inform to us why there is any need to obtain an IECEE CB certificate?
I mean do you agree this is just one of many certification structures?
Please give us information that confirms that ONLY IECEE CB can issue a
valid Certification of Conformity as against IEC/EN 62108? Is this not what
you are suggesting?
Why is a IECEE CB Certification superior, as you seem to suggest it is, to
the EuroCert ISO certificate? I can find nothing to support your belief.
Please provide the information that you seem to suggest you possess that
proves IECEE CB certification is somehow superior to ISO certification?
I also note you have not answered my earlier question about your
qualifications in quality certification systems to question EuroCert's
Certification of Conformity to IEC 62108 for the SunCube and revealing any
solar interests that may be personally and commercially beneficially to you
that may be in conflict to those of the SunCube and GGE's licensees?
All the best,
Green and Gold Energy Pty., Ltd
Greg Watson, CEO
7 Provident Avenue, Glynde, 5070

Subject: RE: SunCube Fiasco
From: Keef
Date: 29 Jan 10 - 04:24 AM

Golly...I have I been busy!!
Keef attacks gigantic solar energy BOONDOGGLE!

Hooley freaking dooley.... what a can of worms!

Subject: RE: SunCube Fiasco
From: Keef
Date: 29 Oct 09 - 02:33 AM

I think it is time for a character reference for Greg Watson!!
Dear Keef, im a late comer in this fiasco, people keep coming to me with information regards Mr Watson, and i have a personal grudge with him. He tried to scam me for a lot of money, well over 100 thousand dollars. I was warned about him from an associate of his. I have found Greg to be a liar and a cheat, and i am totally aware that he manipulates the media and people to gain a financial advantage. I know that the lady he is living with at the moment has gone into major debt on her home because of him, and she is not the first. I also know of many other people, such a Michael Sullivan who has invested personally $150 thousand dollars. I know of other people investing funds of $80 thousand, $50 thousand, and $20 thousand. I remember Greg telling me that he arranged a huge grant with the Minister of Transport of taxpayers funds. I have also been told that Greg has been spending money for himself and his new family including friends for overseas holidays. I also know that while this was going on they were claiming Centerlink payments at the time. I undersand that there was an office manager called Phil who got the sack because he was going to expose Greg for fraudulent mismanagement and deceit to the investors. I want you to keep in mind that what i am saying i believe to be the truth, and it is only heresay.. This is not considered to be evidence, except i have a list of peoples names who have given me this information. You must understand Gregs nature, he is not a man who will take up a job, he lives off other people being naive and gullible.

Going back to Emcore, i think they did believe in Greg to start with, i can't understand how they managed to get 500 thousand dollars out of him, but i feel that this may not be true and that Emcore saw this as an opportunity to manipulate the share market. In actual fact by portraying to the small investors that is the "Mums and Dads" of this world, that they would have seen this as an opportunity to manipulate their shares where the directors have benefitted greatly. The questions you should be asking are firstly What happened to the profits that the company would have recieved by the manipulation of the value of the stocks. Secondly how the directors have benefitted through this, and i recently noticed by reading some of the background that Emcore want to split the company into three divisions now. I would think that the reason behind this would be to keep them, the directors at arm's length, let that part of the company go bankrupt with all the "Mum's and Dad's" losing all their money, while the directors sit on some Carribean Island.

Furthermore, Suncube is not Greg's first scam, and I strongly feel that the media should be held accountable as it is this that has done the greatest damage. I mean that the Suncube has not worked to date, it is an item that requires something like 500 dollars to build. So why is it that all this amount of money is required for investment when the cube has yet to be proven whether it works. My understanding is that the idea has been pinched off somebody else, the same as some of his other scams. Why would you need to rent big factories, rave on about all the people you are going to hire, how you are going to dominate the world in solar energy, it certainly sounds like something smells here. You could have built the cube in your home for a few bucks, and show that it works, and does the job. As far as i know this scam alone has been going on for five years, and to date he still has not managed to prove that it works, but people keep handing their money over to him.

I am surprised that Current Affairs haven't got hold of this story as yet, so as to warn the public.


GGE History

* 2000 – 2004 Energy consultant to the power industry on advanced metering and demand side management.
* Developed various real metering and load remote load control systems.
* 2005 – Invented the SunBall and won the Australian Peoples Choice Invention of the Year award.
* Formed GGE with AU$250k of my own capital.
* Developed the SunBall Mark 1 and Mark 2.
* 2006 - Evolved the SunBall Mark 2 to the SunCube Mark 3.
* Raised a further AU$250k, thanks to long time friend Michael Sullivan to commercialize the SunCube.
* Michael Iannella, a very talented metal fabrication engineer, joined the GGE development team to guide the SunCube development.
* Developed the SunCube Mark 4.
* 2007 - Developed the SunCube Mark 5 & 6.
* 2008 - Developed the SunCube Mark 7.5 to commercial ready stage.
* Worked with Emcore to achieve the world's first CPV receiver warranty.


Yeah yeah rah de rah

Suncube India is now selling franchises for the VAPOURCUBE!

Sigh!!!

Subject: RE: SunCube Fiasco
From: Keef
Date: 28 Oct 09 - 11:20 PM

Well the scam goes on.
How does he get away with it?
Simple.
It's the old NDA trick!!

Greg Watson and the NDA trick      27-Oct-09 04:08 pm   
Here is what Dr Richard George thought of the SunPube.


On April 13, 2008 11:12 AM, New Energy Congress member, Richard P. George, Ph.D. wrote:

Greg has announced ~$78 million worth of orders placed with Emcore, but Emcore has only received $500,000 through the end of the 2008 1st quarter. These "orders" appear to be vapor, much like some of the huge telecom orders in 1999-2001 like the $500 million order in 2000 for Sun servers that Enron's telecom unit placed but never actually purchased. The lack of actual sales from this order was a major factor behind Emcore's stock crashing ~75% in the past several months.

He has sold several licenses but where are the working units (even pilot production ones) in verifiable installations with any independent measurement data validating output claims? The Korean deal was announced over a year ago but there remains no evidence that anything has actually materialized or that any product is actually being delivered, even in limited volumes.

Looking good (on paper) is not enough. Given the large number of red flags discovered to date while doing due diligence on Green and Gold Energy, we have to verify every detail.

- - - -

On January 25, 2008 7:28 PM, New Energy Congress member, Richard P. George, Ph.D. wrote:

I am downgrading my vote on Green & Gold Energy Suncubes from a Top 2 ranking to "Not Enough Information". I am increasingly suspecting that the SunCube is a fraud.

There is absolutely no proof that there is a single suncube actually installed and running. Likewise, there is no verifiable proof that their system delivers the output claimed. None of the licensees have manufactured, installed, or sold a single system. The U.S. licensee remains secret and undisclosed. Multiple deadlines have past. The product remains intriguing vaporware.

The company's employees have lied to me on several occassions (statements independently verified as being false). I read through the last four months worth of postings on the yahoo sungrid forum about the SunCubes.

Greg Watson is now claiming that his "legal people" will not let him sell Suncubes until he gets the IEC 61208 solar concentrator certification (http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/SunGr... . However, there is no IEC standard yet, the working group has not delivered a final standard despite seven years of meetings and work, there will not be a standard for another 12-18+ months (with continuing uncertainty about how to actually measure concentrator output given the myriad design and concentration approaches and uses of tracking on one or two axis being a major barrier to radification), there will be no products certified under this standard for another 6-12 months after the final standard is approved, and both UL and the California Energy Commission have decided to take an alternate certification route (UL engineering inspection) as an alternative given the long gap (something that Greg has known since I informed him of this alternative in September 2007).

This [is the] latest excuse from Greg. He has a long history of failing to deliver on promises and claims.

But then Greg Watson had a word in his ear!!

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Re: Greg Watson and the NDA trick    27-Oct-09 04:10 pm   
What Rover doesn't know is that Dr Richard P George (via Lite Solar) is a
former failed US SCIG licensee, just out to try to screw us up with more
lies. In fact, up until I read his recent posting (hey Rover you actually
did me a favour posting that!), he was in daily contact trying to discuss
doing business with us again. Sorry Rich but the only folks you will be
hearing from are our legal guys. Hey Rich, we have your signed NDA and all
your emails. Remember?

So Richard got scared and wrote this one!


----- Original Message -----
From: Richard George
To: 'Andrew Left'
Cc: Greg Watson
Sent: Monday, May 19, 2008 1:44 AM
Subject: RE: green and gold energy

Andrew,

The SunCube technology is viable and their design is very solid. The basic concept is to have a module with one square meter of collection area feeding the light to nine fresnel lenses that focus the light on nine Emcore tripple junction 37% efficiency CPV chips. This module is then integrated with a two axis tracking system. Some of the advantages of this design is that they can be mounted on roofs, the weight is low (about the same as a flat plate monocrystalline or polycrystalline module), it can be handled and installed without cranes, it doesn't have the wind load problems that larger arrays (e.g. Solfocus; any array 2KW to 11KW on a 2 axis tracker - a big PV sail), and it should be relatively easy to mass manufacture.

I read your reports on Emcore. You made a misstatement in one about their tripple junction CPV chips being 100X more expensive than standard PV. This is true when comparing their space applications to terrestrial flat plate pv at one sun concentration (e.g. no concentration) . However, this is only true when comparing a unit of size (e.g. one square meter of Emcore's tripple junction cells vs one square meter of Sunpower A300 cells). When one accounts for concentration, the costs drop dramatically. The SunCubes operate at ~1100 suns. Other competitors using the same Emcore CPV chips are using them at concentrations between 500X and 1200X. Essentially, these applications use a chip 1 square centimeter in size but that one chip harvests the power of 1 square foot worth of sunlight at 37% efficiency. Going back to the one square meter of Emcore's tripple junction cells vs one square meter of Sunpower A300 cells example, the one square meter of Emcore cells operating at 1100 suns generates ~300,000 watts of power while the 1 square meter of Sunpower's monocrystalline cells (SunPower 305 module) operating without concentration generates 187 watts of power. The Emcore chips use significantly less silicon per watt of power output and use inexpensive fresnel lens or reflective materials to focus the light from a large area onto their

I cannot discuss commercial size orders at this time but I am in the process of scheduling trips to Australia and South Korea to meet with Green and Gold Energy and their Korean licensee, ES Systems, in the next month or two. A colleague will be visiting their Indian licensee in Pune India as well. I would prefer to withold any further comments until I have had the chance to complete these visits. In addition, there are a lot of positive developments and progress here that are not publicly available at this time.

I have reviewed and talked with every CPV player that has a realistic chance of shipping product in the next two years and plenty more that are further behind. Green and Gold Energy and their licensees are significantly further ahead everyone else in this industry and will ship more product this year than the rest of the industry combined.
Blah de blah

Dr. Richard George


Ah yes...the old NDA trick...
Nice one Greggy!
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Subject: RE: SunCube Fiasco
From: Keef
Date: 14 Jul 09 - 06:47 PM

He has NEVER sold a single one.
All he sells is "licenses" for million dollar sums.
He then makes perpetual excuses...(working on the new Mark 93.2 version, coming real soon etc)
In the meantime licensees are encouraged to seek investors for the soon to be built "SUNPUBE SOLAR FARMS".

This is not some paranoid delusion on my part.
I know the facts because I have been following his trail of lies for several years.

He will have a hard time finding any more victims, I have kept my promise to follow him all over the web and counter his lies, false promises and sanctimonious bilge about saving our small blue planet!!

He has even spawned an imitator
SUNSNEAKER VIDEO

Same deal only BIGGER.
Just a mockup of a Concenrated Photo Voltaic system.
A crappy video, UNBELIEVABLE performance claims.
Lots of technobabble that is easily demolished by the techno savvy.
Multiple licences sold around the world, $20M raised on the NZ stock exchange.
Attempted float of a gazillion shares on the Frankfurt stock exchange


"SSE finally overcomes all the hurdles and has now listed on the Frankfurt Stock Exchange. They listed with 687,193,558 shares issued and current quote 1.60 Euros."

That announcement seems to have been a tad premature.
Hopefully the Frankfurt stock exchange has woken up to the attempted MEGA SCAM.

Nobody likes me...I am spoiling the scams....BOO HOOO!!

Subject: RE: SunCube Fiasco
From: Peace
Date: 14 Jul 09 - 01:39 AM

Is he still selling the things?

Subject: RE: SunCube Fiasco
From: GUEST,Keef
Date: 14 Jul 09 - 01:36 AM

Whatever it takes!

I bet Watson is sorry he pissed me off.
Watched a show about Madoff last night.
People lost their life savings, people suicided.
THAT is sad.

Subject: RE: SunCube Fiasco
From: Amergin
Date: 13 Jul 09 - 10:44 PM

wow...some one seems to be having a internet conversation with himself....how sad....

Subject: RE: SunCube Fiasco
From: GUEST,Keef
Date: 13 Jul 09 - 10:10 PM

Suncube...The Movie         

SUNCUBE.....THE MOVIE

Starring Gregory Watson as the MAD Professor
and George Zoumis as his technical assistant
(you wanna champagne Greggy? Drink to the scam perhaps?)
Thrill to the excitement as the SUNPUBE eagerly seeks the sun.
Hear the mighty meccano gears grind themselves into destruction.
Wonder at the amazing POWER of the SUNPUBE as it produces an amazing 25.3 VOLTS (no load!)
Gaze upon the natural beauty of the SUNPUBE and dream of how wonderful your home could look with six of these works of art bolted to your shingles.
Look..up in the sky...is it a bird...is it a plane?
NO ...it's a squadron of PIGS
OINK OINK OINK OINK
flap flap

WOOF!!

Subject: RE: SunCube Fiasco
From: Keef
Date: 13 Jul 09 - 07:39 PM

Yes...I said PONZI
I've been saying it for years but nobody would listen.
Same as MADOFF.

The Big Lie (German: Große Lüge) is a propaganda technique. The expression was coined by Adolf Hitler in his 1925 autobiography Mein Kampf for a lie so "colossal" that no one would believe that someone "could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously".

Just as true today!!

Subject: RE: SunCube Fiasco
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 13 Jul 09 - 07:18 PM

20% per annum?

Did anyone say Ponzi scheme?

Subject: RE: SunCube Fiasco
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 13 Jul 09 - 07:16 PM

100

Subject: RE: SunCube Fiasco
From: Keef
Date: 13 Jul 09 - 06:00 PM

Where's the harm you might say?
Well, apart from the THOUSANDS of solar users (I'm one) who have put their flat panel purchases on hold waiting for the new whizz bang Solar Pube......

Watson is set to have another go at his "mum and dad" investors scam.

Hot off the SUBALLS FORUM

Hi All,

GGE has initiated the process of discussion with various Australian and
overseas electricity retailers, electricity distribution businesses, state
and local governments to enable a roll out of small 10 kW to 30 kW SunCube
Energy Farms (SEF) that will be investor owned.

Due to the small size and small land foot print it is envisioned that quite
a lot will be build as embedded SEFs deep inside residential and commercial
precincts to assist peak summer time load reduction as an added benefit to
the distribution grid owner.

We are working on an investment prospectus which will target a 20% ROI per
year, for 20 years.

All the best,
Green and Gold Energy Pty., Ltd
Greg Watson, CEO
7 Provident Avenue, Glynde, 5070
South Australia, Australia, [phone]
http://www.greenandgoldenergy.com.au

"SunCube" and "SunBall Solar Battery" are
trademarks of Green and Gold Energy Pty Ltd


20% return?

PIG'S ARSE I SAY.

Will he get away with floating this outrageous scam?
Most likely he will, have a look at this video where SKY NEWS gives a free leg up to another hilarious scam.
FREE ENERGY SCAM

Subject: RE: SunCube Fiasco
From: Keef
Date: 13 Jul 09 - 05:43 PM

Hi Richard
The sadly deluded Emcore investors still refuse to admit that they have been right royally rogered.
They maintain that the only person in the entire world who questions the integrity of Saint Watson is that annoying bastard Keef.

Apparently Richard you are just another of my multiple personalities.

Both of me beg to disagree with that!!

Multiple personality disorder?

Subject: RE: BS: Keef tries to stop Scammers down under
From: GUEST,Keef
Date: 13 Jul 09 - 05:32 PM

Yes, I know all about batteries, I am running off solar power as we speak.
The scam is where a demonstration day is set up and the investors are told that the bank of lights, radio etc is running ENTIRELY off solar power.
In truth, what is happening is that the batteries are being run down because the "new gee whizz please invest now" solar thingie does not produce anywhere near the claimed output.
Yes, I do have time on my hands, and I am happy to spend it exposing the fraudsters.
Australia is the world leader in these scams because our regulators will not act until it is too late.
From Alan Bond to Gregory Watson
via Christopher Skase and Tim Johnstone.

Oh well, at least we are good at SOME things!!

Subject: RE: BS: Keef tries to stop Scammers down under
From: pdq
Date: 13 Jul 09 - 11:46 AM

"...have set up showpiece "solar farms" complete with hidden batteries to dupe the innocent." ~ Keith Leech

The rays of the Sun only fall in given area for about half a day, and solar enery output is greatly reduced by cloudy weather.

Since a house needs electricity 24 hours a day, batteries (or some other method of energy storage) is needed. Hence the "hidden batteries" are not a sure sign of a scam.

Subject: RE: BS: Keef tries to stop Scammers down under
From: Amergin
Date: 13 Jul 09 - 11:34 AM

Some one has too much time on his hands....

Subject: RE: SunCube Fiasco
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 13 Jul 09 - 11:32 AM

AFAIK

1. No
2. Only fraudulent
3. N/A

Subject: RE: SunCube Fiasco
From: GUEST,Cro
Date: 13 Jul 09 - 09:31 AM

Just a simple question:

Is SunCube working or not?
If it is is there proof?
What is the cost per kWh?

Subject: RE: SunCube Fiasco
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 13 Jul 09 - 03:41 AM

"Orgone" was I think the brainchild of Wilhelm Reich, a "philospoher" who propounded a type of sexual energy created by orgasms.


As far as I know, Dysons are mostly renowned for unreliability ans poor spares avilability (and attempts to use design right laws to prevent better and cheaper spares comeing tomarket) - oh yes, and moving production out of England to the Far East to take advantage of oppressed workers.

Subject: RE: SunCube Fiasco
From: Keef
Date: 13 Jul 09 - 02:33 AM

More PARANOID LUNACY TO TRY AND DISCREDIT KEEF!!


AAAAAAAARRRRRGHH!!


CAUTION...The following is TOTAL BOLLOCKS


The web based history of GGE

Back in October of 2005, Greg Watson on Australias ABC 'New Inventors" program, presented a novel concept, a new form of solar generation device for a household roof, called the Sunball. According to both GGE and a moderated chat put up by the programs administrators, this device won the "People's Choice" award for 2005. At about the same time a Yahoo message board, the Sunball forum, was started. It seems with the express intent of publicizing the ongoing R&D being conducted on this new invention.

I did not join the group at this time, as I was not aware of the existence of CPV until around March of 2008, however it appears there were a number of individuals choosing to post derogatory information aimed at discrediting Greg Watson and this invention which prompted a shutdown of the forums access to historical records.

To get an idea on what independent inventors go through endeavouring to get their inventions right, consider the attempts Sir James Dyson had getting the 'bagless vacuum' cleaner fully functional. "It took Dyson 5 years and 5,127 attempts according to this site. Sir James Dyson is now a very rich man (estimated $2B US) and has become so in the last 10 years, but it did not come without a lot of hard work, time and false starts before perfecting his improvement on a product that we had taken to be already mature - the humble vacuum cleaner.

I look at the story of Green and Gold Energy and Greg Watson as having parallels to Sir James Dyson.

According to a cached version of Greg Watson's CV, it seems Mr Watson had a history of invention, some successful including inventing the PC230, sold through Watsons company 'Microbyte' which was one of the few companies to sell PC's to IBM.

Summary of positions

USAF, (USA 1965 - 1969) SAC, Guidance, Navigation & Flight Systems, (KC135 & B52 Aircraft).

Burroughs Corporation, (USA 1969 - 1971) Test Engineer, Medium & Large Mainframe design group.

Burroughs Corporation, (UK 1971 - 1972) Factory Engineering Support, Midland Bank Project.

Burroughs Corporation, (Australia 1972 - 1981) Engineering Support Rep, Large Mainframes.

Gas and Fuel Project, (Vic 1972 - 1973).

Hardware Project Manager, Mandata Project, (ACT 1973 - 1976).

Hardware Project Manager, Queensland Tab Project, (Qld, 1978)

Site Facilities and Hardware Project Manager, SA Tab Project, (SA 1976 - 1981).

Micro Byte Systems, (SA 1981 - 1991) Electronics Design / Manufacturing, Managing Director.

Greg Watson Consulting, (SA 1981 - Present) Personal Computer Consultancy, System Design, Networking, Training.

"He has a good business experience and has had good relations with different prime ministers. In 1981, he mounted his wife with his own company: Micro Byte Systems and it also leads Greg Watson Consulting. It now has 45 employees and a turnover of $ 10 million per year. It is thanks to him that MicroByte became one of two suppliers of the Ministry of Defence. He has over 80 PC vendors in many countries and pr feel MicroByte Germany (Ce BIT). His company was one of the few to sell computers at IBM." Translated from French Translated Yahoo Link

Joe Cell - run your car on water

Being very interested in renewable energy and having the background knowledge to analyse new inventions as well as develop them, in April of 2006, 6 months after the Sunball had featured on Australian TV, Greg Watson started to post on a message board dedicated to a 'free energy' device designed to make a car run on water called the Joe Cell.

At the time Greg Watson had been a member of the New Energy Congress which is "a global association of experts who review the most promising new and emerging energy technologies." It seems the Joe Cell had been attracting attention by this group and Greg had thrown his hat into the ring to visit the Joe Cell developers, conduct validation of the technology, and if real and practical, report back to Peswiki (NEC) and possibly become involved or assist in the commercialization of the Joe Cell invention. According to Peswiki, the Joe Cell is an "electrolysis cell built with concentric stainless steel pipes." According to their site the following statements are attributed to Joe, one of the inventors:

    * The water in the cell is not consumed.
    * The cell runs cold to the touch.
    * It takes a period of time before the engine will run from the cell. It then has an erratic power output and works in an intermittent fashion.
    * When the cell is removed from the car, the engine takes an appreciable time to return to "normal" and run from the original fuel.
    * If the cell is left in the car for a long period, the engine becomes "charged". From this point, the cell is not required for the motor to run.
    * All spark plug leads can be removed and the engine will still run as long as the ignition coil and distributor remain functional.
    * The output of the cell does not have to be connected to the internals of the engine. A close external coupling will do.
    * The cell requires the "charging" of the water to work.
    * The requires a specific style of construction, little understood by most constructors.
    * The source of power for the cell and its use has great value for some individuals. These individuals are creating misinformation, cloaking operations and inducing fear in cell constructors.
    * Human presence can affect the operation of the cell in a positive or negative way.

Peter Stevens, owner of Rainbow Power company and developer of the Joe Cell, posted a history of the development of the Cell on Peswiki talking about their discovery. One thing which weaves a common thread throughout the history of the Joe Cell is Joe's strong religious faith, which Peter alludes to in this article "So finally when I got up to Joe's place on Friday night, Ron and Joe where into Religion in a big way" and I have also watched a video interview with Joe which details his strong beliefs. This is recommended viewing to gain an understanding of just how much of the Joe Cell concept becoming operational is dependent on 'faith'.

http://www.leechvideo.com/video/view2285070.html

Nimbin, where Rainbow Power Company is based, is a small community of around 352 people, which is in a rural setting surrounded by 'multiple occupancy'farms or according to wiki, famous for its 'hippy communes'. It is located approximately 30km North of Lismore in New South Wales, Australia.


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Around the start of 2006, the Joe Cell, touted as a free energy device whose developers believe will allow a car to run on water, had a number of people attempting to replicate the effects and prove this device works.

It also seems in April of 2006, around the time the validation efforts were being recommended by Greg Watson in Australia, that in the US, Bill Williams whose truck had been running on a Joe Cell according to Peswiki, had been threatened by unknown MIB (Men In Black) to destroy his plans for the device.

Back in Australia, the dialog on the message board for the Joe Cell where Greg Watson was trying to get to the heart of the matter, had started to deteriorate. Greg appeared to come to the board with an open mind and was asking valid questions, but he was beginning to be met with resistance and flames (aggression, insults etc) from other Joe Cell 'believers'. Below is a history of posts you should read to get an understanding of the dialogue which went on around this technology.

April 30 Recommendation on voltages to try.

May 1 A look at some of the claims in a patent application

May 2 Greg waiting on a call from Peter Stevens to arrange a time to validate the Cell.

May 3 Comment on Alex Schiffers article, who wrote a book in 1999 about the Joe Cell. This site also sells Joe Cell equipment.

May 3 Admittedly Greg does get in some cross promotion of the Suncube solar panel

May 4 Smoke and Mirrors comment

May 5 Discussion of vacuum and video

May 28 Sterling D Allen founder of Peswiki contributes to the board.

May 9 This post was asking about the success of the replication on the Rover.

May 14 Greg is now thinking this may be a 15 year con job as Peter Stevens has backed away from any trial

May 15 Starting to get a little heated

May 16 More flames

May 17 Greg has been unsubscribed 3 times from the JoeCell2 board and sent virus emails in the process

May 17 Threats via email

May 17 This guy talks about providing proof

May 18 Peter is now back on at JoeCell2 after booting Greg and posting updates on Joe Cell successes-

May 25 If 1300 people are interested in this phenomenon and only 5 people claim to have a working Joe Cell after 6 years, shouldn't an attempt be made at validation?

May 25 Sensible post

June 6 Post on possible threats to Bill Williams and validation

June 13 Sterling D Allen supporting and requesting breathing space for the Joe Cell inventors and Greg Watson's response

June 14 Greg Watson "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof".

June 14 Greg Watson "15 years of urban legend BS"

June 15 Conspiracy theory maybe?

June 15 It may work only of you believe in God

June 15 Moderator gives an ultimatum

June 16 Sterling D Allen posts Greg Watsons email thread with resignation from the New Energy Congress

September 11 The Joe Cell claims have never been validated

Jan 23 2008 Alex Schiffer who wrote the Joe Cell book posts as ratbaitus (Note see the ID's attacking Greg Watson later on in this article - Nurse Ratchit, rat dropping etc)

There are 829 posts when searching for Greg Watson in this MB, too many for me to plough through and certainly fully understand, so if this history of the Joe Cell is of any interest, please visit this search link.

As of January 2007, it is worth noting that any further real updates on Sterling D Allens Peswiki seemed to cease on the process of validation of the Joe Cell.

There are other sites dedicated to this device some positive and optimistic, some discrediting video's made on the Joe Cell.

More links

http://www.joecellenergy.com/

http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/JoesCell2/

For 15 years word of this mysterious phenomenon known as the Joe Cell and unexplained 'orgone energy', of which there are many believers, had made its rounds via word of mouth and the internet. What I can see is this:

- You can not it seems buy and have someone install a Joe Cell in your car

- You must spend your own time attempting to build your own Joe Cell, install it yourself and test it yourself.

- To do this means many hours of research and purchasing of materials

- There is also a common thread that most people cannot get this device to work, and therefore 'they have done something wrong' when building it themselves.

- The element of faith is strongly played upon - ie it may not work if you do not 'believe'

It appears that Greg Watson genuinely did attempt on multiple occasions to 'validate' the technology for the developers. Maybe he was aggressive in his approach, maybe there is something to his claims about this being less than an honest group of people promoting it, however my interest is not whether it works or not, it is what has happened elsewhere on the blogosphere that I am interested.

So let me continue.

Keith Leech

At about the same time as Greg Watson began posting on the Joe Cell pages, on 18 March 2006, Keef put up what appeared to be his first post on the mudcat forum talking about the Suncube in a very positive way.

The cost of solar voltaic panels has been stuck on about $20 per watt for about 20 years. With the cost of all other silicon based products (processors, memory etc) having improved in cost/ performance by a factor of thousands over the same period this might start to look like an energy cartel conspiracy.
An Aussie inventor has come up with an idea that gives approximately 5 times more watt hours per day than a similar priced conventional panel.
The idea uses a low cost fresnel lens to concentrate the suns rays onto a fairly small area of photocells plus an intelligent tracking mechanism to follow the sun all day. I wonder how far this idea will go before it mysteriously vanishes like so many other inventions that might upset the status quo

Over a year goes by before on 21 March of 2007 Keef posts anything further on the product.

This was a minor comment discussing the fact he has an order in. But by April 16th , less than a month later, Keef has decided to defame Greg Watson, starting with this post on the Sunball Forum (which has been disabled so I cannot track back history for this month).

Following some critical postings on Greg's suncube forum he has now
spat the dummy bigtime.
Here is the post that got up his nose.
South Australia 16th April.
Residents of the sleepy outback town of Woomera were awakened this
morning by the sound of huge numbers of low flying pigs. Car
windscreens were splattered with green manure and mounds of steaming
dung was piled metres deep over a vast area.
Residents have raised concerns that this event is connected with the
building of the new Sunpube Solar farm in the area. Inventor Greg
Watson denies this claiming that the farm emits no pollution
whatsoever and will supply the energy needs of the entire planet from
an area of less that 1 square kilometer. Said Mr Watson, "my Sunpube
technology derives its energy not only from the sun, but also from
starlight and the magnetohydribblity overunity generation effect.
There are no adverse effects on the environment and huge numbers of
local jobs have been created. Local glaziers in particular have
enjoyed a boom due to the frequent need for replacement of thousands
of glass lenses. Local youths have also benefited from the
entertainment opportunities available at the solar park. It has become
a popular gathering place for them to enjoy wholesome outdoor pursuits
including target practice and rock concerts. In fact it has become so
popular that each Saturday night hundreds of utes converge on the farm
each carrying a plentiful supply of rocks.
Mr Watson has been gratified by the public response to his generous
share offering which has allowed thousands of mum and dad investors to
grab a slice of this lucrative enterprise.
Whilst strongly denying any connection with the mysterious airborne
porcine phenomenon, Mr Watson has nonetheless offered to supply
residents with a free supply of greenwash to at least cover up the
problems.
Reporter Keef Wotsisname
Signing off
His response was interesting!
Re: [Sunball] News Flash ....Woomera South Australia
Dog......Toast,
We have initiated legal proceeding against one person who tried to
sign a license agreement, obtained and disclosed confidential information,
broke the signed NDA, went behind our backs to try to buy cells, is trying
to clone the SunCube and have emailed me claiming they will take away the
SCIG licenses (I have the emails you sent them). You will shortly receive
the summonds from our legal council.
Let me make myself very clear Dog......Toast, you can not hide behind
a cheap email alias. We are initiating a search which will identify who
you are. GGE will not stand for this kind of insulting, defamatory and
derogatory comments clearly meant to discredit myself, GGE and the
SunCube. All of your posts in this forum have been referred to our legal
council for their action.
Additionally I find your handle is an insult to others in this forum.
Greg Watson
CEO
Green and Gold Energy
And so was Keef"s follow up
Re: News Flash ....Woomera South Australia
My BALLS are bigger than your balls Greg
And that's MR Dogchaten-Toust if you don't mind.
Keef

All of Keefs Mudcat postings
http://www.mudcat.org/usersearch.cfm?who=Keef

It is interesting to note that Keef's original nickname, Roversbreath has connotations for what the test vehicle which the Joe Cell, a Rover V8, was going to be running on. Ie Rovers Breath. Now the discussions ramp up a notch or two with Greg Watson closing off the Sunball forum to unregulated postings and blocking historical record review, a new Yahoo MB comes into existence with the name Sungrid forum. Again with the intention of providing people a platform to discuss CPV developments and possible ways to design and construct their own solar unit, which until Greg shut it down, the Sunball forum had been doing. Here are the Sungrid Posts. Note a new character will be introduced here who goes by the nick sz and calls himself "Mr Hydrogen."

11 May 2007. - Sungrid forum begins with this post

May 12 9:45am - First SZ post – SZ talks about where some of the components to build your own Suncube can be bought.

May 12 2007 at 9:58am - Followed by an attack on Greg Watson's credibility

May 12 2007 10:19 – At least someone has the sense to see where this line of discussion is headed

May 12 2007 10:22 - Less than 30 minutes after SZ we have Keefs first negative post - "I think Greg is somewhat deranged."

May 12 2007 at 10:58 pm - Next post intended to question the design practicalities

May 13 2007 at 4:21am - And a response to Keef by SZ

13 May 2007 4:28am - So now we plant the IP patent registration doubts abround the Suncube by SZ

13 May 2007 10:47pm - Follow this up by Keef with another post

May 14 2007 8:58am - At least someone has tried to put some perspective on this issue

"A word on Greg Watson. Greg may not be a fantastic all-round businessman we all wish him to be (few inventors are), but I'd ask we give a little respect where it is due. He was the trailblazer in this area and got many of us excited about the possibilities. There is a good chance he will reconsider the marketing plan, and also a chance that we will all be able to purchase the DIY components from him, in due course. This is all my speculation, I have no concrete facts to back this up."

May 14 2007 at 10:pm - So a call for commonsense is answered by Keef with this

But every so often a genuine question is asked to maintain at least a semblance of credibility

14 May 2007 10:28pm - But then we attack other areas of the technology. Price first.

15 May 2007 6:56am - Again followed by a post from SZ with veiled threats

May 15 2007 at 8:14 am - A moment of self reflection by Keef or part of the game?

May 15 2007 8:54am - Nope, theres that competitor again casting dispersions of character

May 16 2007 12:23 am - Deserves a read. Contributes nothing but bile to the discussion.

May 16 2007 9:44am - Okay now lets attack the aesthetics.

May 16 2007 10:49am - Now lets create fear of high temperatures without any facts

May 16 2007 11:49am - And SZ fostering encouragement for negativity

May 16 2007 11:06 am - OK now what does Keef guy do? "I have been a solar hot water installer and know full well the problems of working on roofs."

May 17 2007 4:59am - OK at this stage Keef now sells solar hot water systems.

May 18 2007 10:48pm - Keef taking pride in being an agitator.

May 19 2007 2:12 am - Post by SZ proves Greg Watson has been working on CPV since at least Feb 2006, . "In the above transcript between Watson and Ricard of Sol3G in Feb.2006,"

May 19 2007 3:10am - Now that we believe we have done away with Watsons credibility lets copy the idea

May 19 2007 7:31am - Finally someone recognizes what is going on here.

May 19 2007 10:39pm - But lets blame someone else for our mistakes huh?

May 21 2007 10pm - Again shift back to what appears to be a genuine line of questioning.

May 21 2007 10:27pm - Fool people that you are genuine then post this.

May 21 2007 11:57pm - Again someone asks this guy to return to what the board is about.

May 22 2007 at 6:27am - Now remembering Keef sells hot water systems see him now advertise his wares

May 22 2007 at 11:04pm - And again

May 23 2007 10:33am - Time to try to close the sale.

May 23 2007 12:32pm - And on cue, the business SZ is in gets a mention. . "Of course the main reason for renewable energy generation is hydrogen production."

May 25 2007 12:20am - So now lets try to link a completely unrelated issue to Greg Watson

May 25 2007 7:20am - And then more seeds of doubt . And how would he know this?

May 26 2007 2am - More sales from SZ?

28 May 2007 2:35am - Lets not give up creating doubt.

28 May 2007 10:09pm - And again cast doubt and self sales

29 May 2007 10:22am. - Did they forget this is a forum discussing CPV?

Jun 3 2007 10:24am - On the attack again.

June 6 2007 11:51pm - So justification for personal attacks?

"I have myself been inconvenienced by the false promises held out by Greg and have bought a crappy Chinese wind generator plus small solar panel as a stopgap measure until my Suncube arrived in August. I was also rather disappointed that my job application (willing, qualified, eager to be a part of the Suncube venture) did not even receive a reply."

Okay let me just stop here for a minute and examine this claim. Firstly Keef DID have a solar installation business called SolarTech Genius. It was based in Lismore which is about 30km from Nimbin (remember Rainbow Power and the Joe Cell) and he did apply for a job with Greg Watson. (Note the thread has been removed but this is what Watson posted on the backshed).

From: [e-mail]
To: [e-mail]
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 2:35 PM
Subject: intent to order
To Greg Watson
I would like to purchase a 3 x3 dc output unit asap. I would prefer a 12volt model but I could get by with a 24 Volt. Please advise approximate date for availability.
I am presently living on a multiple occupancy community with 70 plus members (no mains electricity available). I have been enthusiastic about your product since the New Inventors program. I am ready to purchase a system immediately and if it lives up to expectations then you could expect multiple orders from other community members. Systems in use at present are a variety of wind generators, small flat panel solar etc and none of these are very satisfactory.
I am also interested in a position within your company, sales, technical or production. If you would like me to forward my resume please advise.
Regards
Keith Leech
====================
So maybe Keith, now is the time to start telling the truth. BTW Emcore and all their investors know who you are. I'm sure they would like to have a private face to face with you for destroying the value of their investments with your ego gratification lies.
Maybe I should post all the very nasty emails you have send to the SA government in your attempt to destroy me, GGE and the SunCube for your own personal gain. I'm sure you do know this is a criminal activity and the internet will not protect you.
Keith as far as I'm concerned you are a sick person that needs professional help. So don't expect me to respond to you any more. It is just a waste of my time.
As for everyone else, please ask away. I'm here to clear up the mess that Keith has created.
Edited by greengoldenergy on 01 May 2008 at 8:39am
__________________
All the best,
Green and Gold Energy Pty., Ltd
Greg Watson, CEO
7 Provident Avenue, Glynde, 5070
South Australia, Australia, [phone]
http://www.greenandgoldenergy.com.au

The dates here are important.

This email application for work and ordering a Suncube was received by Greg Watson on April 25 2007.

By this time, Keef had already (April 16th) commenced a systematic series of attacks on Greg Watson. He had also claimed that the order for the Suncube was placed on 21 March 2007. "Meanwhile the SUNBALL http://www.greenandgoldenergy.com.au/ is promising to be commercially released in August. I have got my order in!"

Also being in the industry and such an expert at solar equipment, you would think Keef would have the capacity to find out which are the best products to install on his own home. Blaming someone else here did not make any sense at all to me.

We continue

June 19 2007 12:16pm - Another call for sanity.
21 June 2007 3:53am - Will Keef quit now he has an audience?
21 June 2007 5:17am - Lets get the government involved. Great way to take out a competitor. Especially as it was these guys who started the misinformation in the first place.
June 21 2007 10:03pm - At least this guy sees exactly what is going on.

26 June 2007 11:55am. - Time to fight back.
"Oh by the way, SZ, just remember I have the entire email history of how you begged me to give you the GGE license for NSW, told me I was wasting my time with the other potential NSW partners, how you went on to try to duplicate the SunCube, take away the GGE licensees and would put GGE out of business. Maybe I should go public with the entire email dialog and let the good folks here understand why you are trying to discredit me, GGE and the SunCube. To be very clear, you intentions are for your own personal financial gain."

You need to read the exchange of posts here as there are too many to post.
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/SunGrid/messages/718?l=1

Jun 29 2007 9:03am - And what happens when one idea is dropped in favour of a more practical and feasible alternative? (Do not forget James Dysons 5,127 attempts)

1 Jul 2007 9:00am - Finally Greg proves what he has just said about SZ.


Hey here he is:
http://www.hydrogen.asn.au/Australian-Solar-Energy.htm
This is the same guy who begged me to award him the NSW license for the
SunCube, ripped off what I gave him under NDA and has emailed me boasting of
his plans to put me out of business. Now it is clear he intends to rip off
what ever CPV knowledge that he can, including what he learns in this place,
make his SunCube clone and trade under the SunCube name.
BTW I never asked him for a cent until he visited GGE in Adelaide and was
satisfied that the SunCube did what we claimed. He never visited despite
several invitations. He had the opportunity to see for himself firsthand,
but decided for what ever reason not to do that and literally overnight
started attacking me on every forum he could get access to.
He has even created his own Yahoo forum with one member, him.
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/SunBox/
Recognize the handles sunut07, ineedthemula, svzmrhydrogen, etc. All the
same guy.
Greg

Again let me stop here and show you exactly what validates this comment. Remember the product is called the 'Suncube' and it is Greg Watson's invention.

So please explain this business registration.

Entity Name = Solar Hydrogen Research Pty Ltd

Trading Name = Suncube Solar Systems Australia

Company Solar Hydrogen Research owned by Stephen Zorbas according to his website

Note the date of business registration, February 2007 precedes the initial attacks on the Sunball forum and Mudcat forum by both Keith Leech and Stephen Zorbas.

July 3 2007 10:47pm - Luckily some people understand which story is the honest one.

You will note and Greg has said it many times, he has not asked for a cent from any investor. He has claimed to have signed licence agreements and presumably received fees from licensees but I
cannot believe that, with the sums involved, licensees have not carried out due diligence to ensure the technology works and have secured their investments with watertight legal agreements.

July 11 2007 11:46pm - And now modus operandi. When people tire of this relentless criticism and personal attacks and the poster is banned. Create another handle.

15 July 2007 10:37pm - So Greg tries to get the CPV board back on track by helping with useful information.

And again on 14 Sep 2007 at 12:20am

Oct 22 2007 8:49pm - Keef starts to lose it

24 October 2007 8:28am - So now we must see to believe.

24 October 2007 8:28pm - OK more I don't believe anything you say stuff.

Oct 24 2007 11:16pm - And a response

Ok please look at the remaining posts yourself. The next angle which Keef tries to convince people of is some invention called the SMOT (remember this for later on) over-unity device which Greg Watson had invented, was a complete scam. This is despite Greg Watson already figuring out it did not work as well as he thought so he refunded all monies to any one who had purchased the device. Besides it was called a Toy for a reason, I guess. This board goes on and on with Keef trying to convince people Greg Watson is a con-man and selectively posts other correspondence Greg has written.
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/SunGrid/messages/965?l=1

OK its time to fast forward to earlier this year when Citron research chose to do a number of pieces on Emcore basing their main argument of credibility on Emcore by questioning the GGE contracts.

Firstly on March 18 Citron started with this which was predicated on someone elses hearsay about GGE.
Citron Research Shines some daylight on Emcores solar business
Followed up on 25 March
Citron Research Updates Emcore (NASDAQ:EMKR)

Keith Leech claims responsibility in this post on Mudcat a day after Lefts original article, post on March 25 on the Yahoo MB.
Citron Research then chose to do a few more articles on Emcore with GGE's licencees credibility as their main argument.
April 14 - Citron Exposes the 3 Way scheme Behind Emcore
May 21 – More Explanation of the Fraud at Emcore
June 4 – Emcore to become the Largest Solar Provider in Fantasyland
September 9 – Emcore – Nothing plus nothing = nothing

You really have to wonder how much effort Citron put into their research particularly reading exchanges like this as well.

Again it is time to stop here and examine a few of the claims which has led so many being convinced to dismiss GGE so easily.

According to GGE's website, its SunCube International Group (SCIG) partners are ES Systems , AC Gava , Square Engineering , Zolar Distributors and Solar Ace from Israel who are still in stealth mode.

Who is Square Engineering?

The key comes down to this post from Shraddha Constructions on the Energy blog.

To,
The Energy Blog

Reference :- As per web site.

Subject :- Enquiry regarding Modern Solar Tower Plant & Fund
arrangement for the same.
Dear Sir,
We have seen details of various solar tower plants on which were established by your company on E – Mail. We are thinking to established Solar Tower Plant of Capacity 11 KW. At. Latur District or in Osmanabad in Maharashtra State ( India ) . The details of the surrounding site are as given below.
Our Requirenment :-
i. Capacity of the Project :- 11 K.W.
ii. Tempreture At. Site :- 30 to 42 degree celcious 325
days in a year.Avg.- 30 above.
iii. Rainfall :- Menimun rainfall in the year.
iv. Sale of Power :- a) Capitive consumsuption
b) Third Party Sale
c) Power purchase agreement
execute for the period of
13 year.By Government in india
In view of above information you are requested to please furnished the Physibility , Project Report & other required data available with you of the above project ( With Cost and generating electricity capacity ). The required Finance for the above project if you are provided as well as we are interested in deal in India Jointely. So we will accept it & your terms & Conditions regarding of the finance please inform to us.
We are already established Windmill Project in Maharashtra (India ) & Karnataka State ( India ) details given in our Brief Note. The total amount invested in the Windmill Project around to Rs. 150 Crores out of which Rs. 100 Crores finance by our Bankers. We are interesting for taking the finance from your Company if your rate of interest is less than from our Bankers. The issue will be discuss in length during the actual meeting.
An early reply in the matter is highly appreciated .
Thanking you.
Yours faithfully
For Shraddha Constructions &
Power Generation Pvt.Ltd.
Shivaji B. Jadhav
(C.M.D.)
Our ID
[e-mail]
[e-mail]
[e-mail]

If you look at the sign posted on the GGE website as the Suncube facility in India was being built, you will see the registered office of Square Engineering as Shraddha House.

So who are Shraddha Constructions which have the same registered address as Square Engineering?

Well firstly they have a contract to build a 21.25MW wind farm.

They also have a contract to build a USD$18.75M SOLAR project at Latur.

Latur have done quite extensive studies into CPV as per this document. Other Links

http://www.ircc.iitb.ac.in/~webadm/update/Issue1_2006/solar-concentrator.html
http://shraddhaconstruction.com/index.html
Shraddha

And note the addresses of Shraddha Power Generation and Square Engineering are the same.

ES Systems
I will not go into too much detail here apart from posting links to Druberts research into this company again.

Post on ES Systems

ES system was the former ATS solar - See page 59, same address, same company.

ATS solar was established 2002/2003. See http://www.iea-pvps.org/ar/ar04/kor.htm : "In 2003, five companies including one that started its operation at the end of 2002, produced about 2.29 MW of PV modules. This nearly tripled the previous year's production figure. This remarkable expansion of PV module production was due to the newly established company ATS Solar Co. This company produced about 1.4 MW PV modules with a production capacity of 3.0 MW. This production line is the largest one in Korea."

Or visit an old version of their website before they went quiet to develop this new technology.

http://www.essystem.kr/bemarket/shop/index.php?pageurl=viewpage&filename=sub_07
http://www.essystem.co.kr/
http://www.essystem.kr/bemarket/shop/index.php?pageurl=viewpage&filename=sub_06
http://72.32.29.22/solar_photovoltaics/terrestrial_concentrator_photovoltaic_arrays
http://www.flickr.com/photos/29964744@N05/show/

Confirmation of ES Systems production facilities by analysts

Cannacord and Jeffries

Korea is getting into solar in a big way with this 20MW Shinan project

and of course relative location of ES Systems is Gwanju City close to Shinan


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AC Gava

AC Gava have, until recently, been somewhat quiet about their developing CPV product lines. Aside from some information early on indicating an association with Sialsol there was little to go on. Although they had apparently responded to one of the investors of Emcore after a very short time.

But most recently, AC Gava have posted additional information on their website with one photograph showing a significant array integrated with standard flat plate technology of identical area. This is significant as if they have been able to collect comparitive operational data in this way, advantages or disadvantages of CPV vs Silicon PV will be able to be directly correlated and presented to prospective customers. In addition to this, Sialsol Inversiones Sostensibles, the distributor and investment partner with AC Gava, have been present at a number of CPV and CSP trade shows. In Madrid, Madrid, Seville, and will be attending in February in San Diego.

Keefs endgame

A few weeks ago, I posted a number of rather innocuous posts which Keef took the opportunity to try to attack my credibility. Of course this did not bother me as I trust the people that read whatever I post will make their own determination of where the truth lies. But unfortunately for Keef, it prompted me to reassess Keef's MO and to try to figure out what his endgame is. My posts are here Post 1 Post 2 Post 3 Post 4

As Keef has used Greg Watson's posts on message boards to attack his credibility, I could not understand why, with all the messages and history Greg had with the Joe Cell (and which some would consider a genuine scam), apart from one time, Keef has NEVER used anything from the Joe Cell MB. And there is a lot there as I have demonstrated above.

So this got me thinking that as I knew Keef had a business in the Lismore area, the Joe Cell inventors lived in Nimbin and Keef also lived on a commune, that maybe there is something there.

Remember this comment?
I am presently living on a multiple occupancy community with 70 plus members (no mains electricity available).
So a little more digging was in order.

First of all Keef did have a solar business, which was registered as Solartech Genius. After performing a Google search on solartechgenius two documents come to light indicating the business did in fact have a website. Solar Hot Water and Winter SunFact Sheet. Tracing back the way back machine we find the following pages:

Main page with Keith's email address

Some detail on the product range

It seems though in February of 2005, the companies main product supplier, Solco from Western Australia was acquired by another party and the distributorship for NSW was no longer an exclusive arrangement.

A very unfortunate occurrence, however a business one.

From here I guess Mr Leech began looking for alternative means of income.

Being within a short distance from Nimbin and living in a multiple occupancy community as exists almost exclusively in Nimbin, and having worked in the solar field and keen to continue to do so, it is not too great a stretch of the imagination to suggest that Keith may have known of the Rainbow Power Company, their Joe Cell invention and Solar business and been in contact with them.

So the next search then is on Leech and the Joe Cell and a very interesting hit came up. It seems a guy by the name of Andrew Leech from Floppy Sponge Automation had at some stage sent an email to Sterling (remember PesWiki, New Energy Congress) indicating an interest in the Joe Cell technology.

Andrew Leech (Reporter): Suspicious Deaths of Inventors in Australia

From: Andrew Leech
To: sterlingda@pureener gysystems. com
Sent: November 02, 2006
Subject: BJ Proton Cell

Hello, I'm Andrew Leech from Floppy Sponge Automation in Melbourne, Australia. I've been a keen experimenter in a number of energy areas for some time now, both privately and through FSA.
I'm especially interested in the Joe Cell and could help in a setting up a reliable demonstration model of the Proton Cell variant as well as helping to spread and promote the technology... [Deleted]...

I personally believe if we can have development undertaken relatively quietly through supportive channels such as PES Network, and produce a number of engines running this way privately, then distribute them quietly aver a large area (Colin at FSA has numerous contacts right across Australia, Malaysia and Taiwan), when it is announced publicly it will already be out there too widely to be hushed up. I've heard reliable confirmations of suspicious deaths on inventors in Australia, so don't want to take the threat lightly. If we can have a large group of replications all announced simultaneously we have a chance of getting around that threat... [Deleted]...

Regards,
Andrew Leech
Floppy Sponge Automation
12 Birch Ave Dandenong Nth,
Vic, Australia 3148
http://www.floppyspongeonline.com

Maybe an innocent post. But take note of the suggestion to Sterling to develop this Joe Cell technology with FSA and Peswiki "quietly" so no one knows what is going on. Also if we go back even further, we see Andrew and Floppy Sponge Automation have been doing some experiments with over-unity devices for the past few years, as well as working on hydrogen based ideas looking for 'free energy'. Here is a link to the relevant posts as otherwise you have to subscribe. I would suggest this is where a lot of the ideas for the attacks on Greg Watsons credibility originated.

So who are floppyspongeonline.com?

Seems they have been purchased by Sunseeker Energy from Hong Kong.

The registration of the Sunseekerenergy site comes up with these details.

Domain Name: SUNSEEKERENERGY.COM Created on: 17-Dec-06 Expires on: 17-Dec-11

Last Updated on: 14-Dec-08

Administrative Contact: Leech, Andrew [e-mail]

AERGA Pty. Ltd 12 Birch Ave Dandenong, Victoria 3175 Australia 397959009


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I actually visited this address only a few days before Christmas to see if the Google streetview had changed or was out of date. Well it has not, this is exactly how the shop looks. Standing out the front were two guys in business attire who waited for about 10 minutes for another guy dressed in black casual clothes to come and let them in the building. As the front window is one way mirror, you cannot see what is going on inside, but it did seem awfully cloak and dagger as the two business guys did seem a little jumpy as I walked past.

So what is Sunseekerenergy? It seems they have an amazing new solar technology (Not the Joe Cell nor Overunity devices).

"Sunseeker has succeeded in magnifying the sun's energy onto a radically smaller, non-silicon photovoltaic cell. The combination of parabolic collector and inbuilt computerised sun tracking maximises solar energy collection in an active area less than one third of our flat panel competitors."

And their business model is to licence the technology out. You know like Green and Gold Energy. Now remember SZ had access to Greg Watson's preliminary design, business model and Non-Disclosure Agreement. And as there had been no definitive and certainly no professional contact between GGE and Keith Leech, how then did he come across this document as he posted here for the world to see?

Or even Keef's continual claims of Greg Watson being in this for the money seem to ring a little hollow when you read the MOU for the JV on the Suncube. Any Licencee by investing money in the enterprise also owns a stake in the master company and will eventually take control over from Greg Watson. Again how, if the only two-way dialog between Keith Leech and GW has been argumentative, did Keef obtain this documentation?

To gain an understanding of just how persistent these attacks are, you should consider the raft of ID's Keith Leech and what appear to be his co-conspirators have adopted. Try Madprofessor78, Raving Looney, Keefwivanef, Pigsarse, Blind.freddie, Keefballsofsteel, Roversbreath, Artu.Deetu, Inspectorrex, Nurseratchit, Psychowacker, Wackobananas, Gerryknight, Sickofthiscrap, Greedygoldenergy, Ener-curious – possibly SZ, harrytrotter, wizardsolar, Handy.Ghandi, WatsonPinnocio, Ivorbigone, Majorjohnthomas, Franklin.furter, Rocketsurgeon, Jose_Gava, Thedonkeydonald, Jamespark15, SenatorJoe, Nurseratchit, Nurseratdropping, Shonkeybusiness, totalgibberish. Quite a list for someone claiming to simply just trying to be honest and protecting 'innocent' investors by 'exposing' Greg Watson.

At this point I need to tell you I found myself with a personal dilemma. We have Stephen Zorbas who tells us he knows a fair bit about hydrogen and appears to have done some good work in the past (although it is mostly self promotion), an automation company based in Melbourne who at first look may have the capacity to roll this technology out and become a customer of Emcore and Andrew Leech who from his myspace page looks like he is smart, young and keen to take on the world and make a go of CPV technology.

So before doing anything, I decided to look a bit more at Sunseeker Energy, who they are, how legitimate their business is, how ethical or trustworthy they may be (despite the tactics above) and where are they going.

Firstly they are listing on the NZ stock exchange.

Secondly their corporate office is listed as Hong Kong with a telephone number of (852) 3188 5944

When I Googled the telephone number, I came up with another interesting hit of a company registered with the same address as Sunseekerenergy called Fieldway International Ltd.

This company promotes itself as offering Premium Socially Responsible Investment Opportunities. So maybe they might be OK?

So who are the owners of this company?

Bill Price is the President with businesses mainly based in the Phillipines.

So what else does Bill do?

Seems as well as 'socially responsible investment facilities', Bill also runs Sovereign Star international.

Sovereign Star International (SS) is a newly incorporated Hong Kong based company created for the sole purpose of identifying, purchasing, developing and operating gaming properties and facilities throughout South East Asia.

Also its General Manager, Graeme Green, is managing director of a recently delisted 'penny stock' on the Australian Stock Exchange called EC21 or ECSI Limited.

This has left me in a unenviable position, as we now have a company which on the surface looked like it was trying to do the right thing and yet by digging a little deeper, other business ventures directly contradict the humanitarian aims of the Fieldway International site. Certainly an environmental consciousness is something to be applauded, however is it not hypocritical when considering they are also actively engaged in the casino and gaming industry in developing nations as well as having what appear to be less than fully legitimate concern's listed on the ASX?

Further, how ethical is it to defame anothers reputation, the real inventor of the Suncube, some would consider an eccentric (but no more so than Sir James Dyson and his 5,127 bagless vacuum cleaner designs), steal his idea, and then proceed to endeavour to destroy him and a company such as Emcore who have no part of this? And how big a role has Citron Research played in all of this?

When one considers exactly who the players in this game of cat and mouse are, to do with a revolutionary or as the CPV Consortium likes to call it "Disruptive" solar technology, it must be something real for such effort to be put in to trying to discredit GGE and Emcore. The Joe Cell people, if they are involved in this, have had 15 years of trying to convince people their technology is real so they know all the angles. Which to me could explain why they have been so successful in convincing so many people that this is a scam if the master scammers are telling the tale.

Keef claims he has been trying to warn prospective investors of the dangers, but it certainly looks like the people Keef is associated with that appear to be unethical, dishonest, sneaky, money hungry or to sum it up 'scammers'. But there was one post that sealed the deal for me and it was this one directed at a woman by Keef.

Keef threatening a woman

tell me where you live, I come around there and bash the crap out of you. That's how it works. Have a nice Christmas.

In my opinion, those people investing in Emcore and Emcore itself are the innocent victims here, along with Greg Watson, who did nothing more than to try and spread the news and excitement about a genuine invention, which does in fact look like it will provide us with cheaper solar electricity in the long run.

Finally to ensure the correct people address this and properly investigate precisely what has been occurring, I have directed this in an email to the office of Anthony Albanese. Anthony is the current Australian Federal Minister for Infrastructure, Transport, Regional Development and Local Government, who back in January 2006 expressed support for the SunCube and frustration at the Howard governments lack of support for a renewable company in Australia.

And why did I post this at all instead of keeping quiet? Well would I trust anyone with my money who sold a possible fantasy product (Joe Cell) to people for 15 years, found out about a new solar technology, proceeded to steal it then destroy the reputation of the guy who had invented it. As well as attacking the company at the forefront of its scientific and commercial development. No way known would I trust a cent of my money to these people as they do not appear to have any ethics at all just know how to run what appears to be a complex scam.

But the main reason was in these circumstances, the end does not justify the means. And I am personally sick of a world where this is the case. Its time the 'good guys' won for a while.

Subject: Fresh Horse Plop anyone?
From: Keef
Date: 13 Jul 09 - 02:02 AM

TOTAL HORSE PLOP!!

Seems it's not JUST confined to down under.....
BUT we are world leaders in the industry!!!

Subject: RE: SunCube Fiasco
From: Keef
Date: 13 Jul 09 - 01:46 AM

So what happened next you ask?
To explain that, I'm afraid I'll have to start from the top....
Very quick version.
I saw the new SunBall, SunCube thingy back in about 2006
Oooh that sounds nice I said and placed my order.
I was so impressed that I even replied to his "positions vacant" advert on the website.
After a whole lot of excuses and BULLSHIT from Greg Watson I started my internet campaign to expose the con.
I used several nom de geuerres, dogshitontoast, keefwivanef etc etc.
I PROVED that it is a scam and uncovered a whole can of rotten maggots in the green energy industry.
Shit hit fan, many millions of dollars wiped off the share value of companies connected to Watsons scam.

Did Watson say thank you?
No I am afraid not.
What he did was to publish my real identity (gleaned from my ordering a SUNCUBE and asking if I could have a job pretty please)
His crony Brad Ross then published my life history inclding every thread that I have posted to on the MUDCAT.
That was in an attempt to silence the messenger.


Now I don't know about you guys but I think it is pretty low down dirty act for the CEO of a Gazillion dollar SCAM to dredge through all of my harmless if eccentric musings on the mudcat.

As I say so often to Mr Watson

SCREW YOU WATSON............ YOU ARE A DEMENTED SCUMBAG
GO AHEAD AND SUE ME I DARE YOU!!!
Otherwise I may just have to have a go at you for invasion of privacy and libel.

WHERE IS MY FREAKING SUMMONDS WATSON??

   Legal action against Keith Leech      31-Jan-09 07:48 am   
GGE and myself personally are initiating legal action against Keith Leech (Keef, Rover, ect, ect, ect, ect.......) for libel, slander, defamation, for seeking to profit from causing GGE, the SunCube, our SCIG licensees and others a loss of income plus other claims for damages and loss.

Keith, this is not a threat. It is reality and we have more than enough proof to file both civil and criminal charges against you. Better enjoy the surfing while you can. It may be a very long time until you see the surf again.

BTW we have a LOT of money and the top trial lawyers who just love WINNING this type of action.

No Free Lunches Keith. Time to pay.

Come to think of it, we might just ask Emcore, their directors and shareholders to join / support us in this action.

If anyone, who is / was an Emcore shareholder and believes their investment in Emcore has been / was damaged by Keith Leech's unfounded comments, wishes more information about joining GGE in our Australian actions against Keith Leech, please email me.

All the best,
Green and Gold Energy Pty., Ltd
Greg Watson, CEO
7 Provident Avenue, Glynde, 5070
South Australia, Australia, [phone]
http://www.greenandgoldenergy.com.au

He says a bad bad thing!!

YOU ARE OUT OF YOUR FREAKING MIND WATSON



But wait ...there's more!!

EFFECT OF CLOUD COVER ON CPV       7-Jul-09 07:54 pm   
My friend Watson would have us believe that even in Northern European countries and Scotland! "CPV can really kick butt""

Ahem!!

Power fluctuations caused by cloud cover
Posted by: "Manu Sharma" [e-mail] saysmanu
Mon Jun 18, 2007 3:33 am (PST)
A recent Carnegie Mellon study on The Character of Power Output from Utility-Scale Photovoltaic Systems found power output fluctuations of PV systems caused by cloud cover a significant characteristic in US.

Since cloud cover affects concentrated solar power even more significantly than flat panels, it will not be an easy problem to solve. Greg has mentioned in the past the various systems he intends to put in place to address this, such as, round the clock weather monitoring and standby generators. While that may well be right path to pursue, from the complexity and the scale of the problem it appears to me that it will not be 2-3 years before we get remote generation working reliably. Excerpt from the study follows:
"The intermittency of large-scale PV power for four sites in the American southwest desert is significant, even during daylight hours. These data also imply that site diversity over a ~280 km range does not dampen PV intermittency sufficiently to eliminate the need for substantial firm power or dispatchable demand response. The high correlation between geographically dispersed arrays may indicate that high, widespread clouds are responsible for a portion of the intermittency. Observed rapid and deep fluctuations at time scales of 10 seconds to several minutes may indicate that a component of the intermittency is due to low, scattered clouds with significant opacity. We observe a number of examples of output power rising above nameplate capacity before and after deep drops in power. This may be due to focusing of sunlight around the edges of low clouds."
http://wpweb2.tepper.cmu.edu/ceic/papers...
Username: ceicpaper
Password: EnergyResearch


--- Greg Watson wrote:

> What unpredictable 200 MW fluctuation? Not with our visual cloud predictive technology that
> gives well in advance of 1 hours notice of output variations. BTW Nemmco, the Australian
> national grid controller, dispatched generators (turns them on and off) on a 5 minute basis to
> match generation with load.
>
> Greg


Re: Power fluctuations caused by cloud cover
Posted by: "Manu Sharma" [e-mail] saysmanu
Wed Jun 20, 2007 8:07 am (PST)
From: Dave Kimble

Greg

That's dodging the question on a technicality of wording. The point is, if you might or might not be producing 300 MW at peak time next Wednesday doesn't the grid have to have 300 MW of spinning reserve ready to cope with that ? A gas turbine or hydro could respond in time, but they have to have that infrastructure in place, fuelled up and maintained, without much opportunity to recoup costs, and hence an expensive standby option.
Greg,

That's exactly my point. Unless you have energy storage, any standby generation capacity would only sit idle at the time of clear sky. I'm also not sure how these generators would deal with intermittent supply during the cloud cover. See graphs in the paper I originally cited (username: ceicpaper, password: EnergyResearch).

Btw, I find it interesting that within two days your technology to warn grid operators of an impending cloud cover doubled its warning time from 30 minutes to 1 hour and got a name too. "Visual cloud predictive technology."

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Hows that smear career you have as a reverse salesman aimed at denigrating CPV going Keef?
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Re: EFFECT OF CLOUD COVER ON CPV      7-Jul-09 08:08 pm   
Darb ouy knaht llew yrev gniog s'ti.



SUNPUBES IN SCOTLAND...yeah right!!

Subject: RE: BS: Keef tries to stop Scammers down under
From: Keef
Date: 12 Jul 09 - 06:20 PM

If you can't beat them......

Keefwivanef 05/31/09 7:41 PM "

Hi Everyone
My company PIGSARSE SOLAR CPV has invented a wonderful new solar thingie.
It is made entirely from recycled Bull Excrement and will generate lots of Gigglewatts of Elektric and can cook a turkey all at the same time.
Please send me all your money now because I really like money and that.
PIGSARSE SOLAR>>>>SAVING THE PLANET FOR OUR CHILDREN's CHILDREN>
Thank you for your attention!!

Subject: RE: BS: Keef tries to stop Scammers down under
From: Keef
Date: 12 Jul 09 - 05:48 PM

Thanks Micca.
Don't know how the confusion could have arisen!
My friends (very few) call me Keef
I call myself Keef Wivanef cos it's much easier to say.
I made a promise to Greg Watson that I would follow him all over the internet and expose his scam.
I succeeded beyond my imaginings.
Watson sucked in a major USA company which is now the subject of a court action alleging inside trading and stock manipulation.
All caused by the evil scheming of the mad professor Mr Gregory Watson.

Shareholders RIPPED OFF

Along the way I stumbled across lots of other companies running similar scams.
They are all preying on the good nature and technical naivety of "green investors"

Here is the latest BULLSHIT from Watson

GGE has placed the largest CPV industry order to date for 105 MWs of Emcore's world leading 1,000 sun concentrator cells to support our worldwide SCIG licensees and to build SunCube™ Energy Farms around the world. GGE have increased our CPV 1,000 Sun CPV receiver orders on Emcore to 215 MWs or 6.2 million 1,000 Sun CPV receivers in total.

Emcore provides the world's first 20 year CPV receiver warranty for the GGE SunCube.

SunCube™ International Group (SCIG)
With our current round of SunCube™ patenting activities shortly coming to a close, GGE will again be in the position to initiate discussions with interested parties which wish to visit GGE in beautiful Adelaide, South Australia and investigate joining the SCIG group of international SunCube™ licensees.
Licensing opportunities can include JV's, distribution, assembly, manufacturing rights or any mix.

License entry point is US$25,000 for 5 SunCubes™ installed and commissioned on the Licensees site by GGE. In addition GGE provides 1- 2 weeks of on site technical training, information transfer, local market analysis, etc to assist the new Licensee moving into the next Distribution stage.

The SunCube™ International Group (SCIG) is currently composed of 9 companies which have secured SunCube™ rights in many countries. For more information about becoming a part of the growing SCIG organization please click here.

ES System
Korea

Energies AC Gava
Spain
Portugal
Andorra

Square Engineering
India
Bangladesh
Bhutan
Mauritius
Sri Lanka
Nepal

Zolar Distributors
Australia
New Zealand
South Pacific Islands

License agreement in place, company to be announced
USA East coast
Virgin Islands

License agreement in place, company to be announced
USA West coast

License agreement in place, company to be announced
Italy
Hungary

License agreement in place, company to be announced
Bulgaria
Macedonia
Romania
Greece
Turkey
Switzerland
France
All of the countries of the former USSR
All of the countries of the former Yugoslavia

License agreement in place, company to be announced
Nigeria
All the rest of Africa, excepting South Africa and the countries adjourning the Mediterranean Sea


Complete and utter BULLSHIT!!
He has only got three dollars to his name, and he bludged that off his neighbours.

Suncube, sunpubes, sunsneekers.....It is all BOLLOCKS.

Subject: RE: BS: Keef tries to stop Scammers down under
From: Micca
Date: 12 Jul 09 - 08:42 AM

Keef, The person they may be getting you confused with is this Keith Leech who is a friend of mine involved with Hastings Traditonal Jack in The Green here in the UK

Subject: RE: BS: Keef tries to stop Scammers down under
From: Keef
Date: 11 Jul 09 - 09:51 PM

Mind you, could be worse, at least he didn't say that I played the Bodhran!

Subject: BS: Keef tries to stop Scammers down under
From: Keef
Date: 11 Jul 09 - 09:20 PM

You may have seen my thread SUNCUBE FIASCO
thread.cfm?threadid=102146&messages=8

I sent off a complaint to ASIC the Australian Securities and Investment Commission.
After about a year they replied that they could not take any action at this time.
Recently we had the great
FIREPOWER SCAM

Once again ASIC was warned but did NOTHING.

So, the way it stands now is that any Australian company can start up one of these scams.
All they have to do is CLAIM that they have a new invention ( green or solar is a good field in which to operate)
Then they can make wild unproven claims and lure in investors.

My original target Mr Greg Watson of the infamous SunCube is still going with his scam. He has operations in India and Korea which have set up showpiece "solar farms" complete with hidden batteries to dupe the innocent.
Mum and Dad investors are now being eagerly sought.

Because Watson is just a trifle annoyed with me for spoiling his scam he has now resorted to publishing my full name which is Keith Edward Leech and quoting some of my other mudcat posts in an attempt to discredit me.
Fair enough I suppose.
Now, I don't mind the sticks and stones BUT he really went to far when he and his accomplices called me a MORRIS DANCER!!!
Not that I've got anything against Morris dancers BUT ...he has got me confused with another feller by that name the wrong Keith
Would the real morris dancing Keith care to step forward and defend his reputation?


Here is the latest one to get on the bandwagon
Latest Aussie Solar Scammer

Same deal, just a mock-up of a "too good to be true" device
ZERO products sold but millions of dollars raised from small investors and the sharemarket.

Legal? Apparently so
Honest? Of course not

What can I say, except perhaps...AAAAAAAAARRRRGH!!

Regards to all...and remember...if it SOUNDS too good to be true!!

Subject: RE: SunCube Fiasco
From: GUEST,Keef
Date: 06 May 09 - 05:25 PM

Tell us more Sunny
I am still battling it out with Wacko Watson on the Yahoo finance board.
Here's my latest effort the thread is called BIG FAT LIE.

BIG FAT LIE

BTW you should read all about the Firepower scam Firepower scam

Australia is the world leader in these sort of scams because our laws are weak and NOT ENFORCED.
I have reported Watson to ASIC and as usual they will do nothing because there is not 100% proof.
In the meantime it is CARRY ON SCAMMING.
Believe me this is just the tip of the iceberg, there are many other companies cashing in on the environmental concern.
If they're green....rip em off...AAAAAARRRGH!

Subject: RE: SunCube Fiasco
From: GUEST,Sunny
Date: 06 May 09 - 12:08 AM

Geez I'm glad I found this blog. I was just about to sign up for a minimum order of 100 units. Cheers Keef.

Subject: RE: SunCube Fiasco
From: Keef
Date: 15 Feb 09 - 05:27 PM

Hello...I'm back again.
Just in case anyone is interested, here is an update on the SunPube fiasco.

Greg Watson managed to suck in a USA company called Emcore that supply the 3J photocells needed for a SunPube type device.
Watson convinced them that he would be buying hundreds of millions of dollars worth of photocells.
Emcore proudly boasted about these orders and their shareprice went UP (a lot!)
Then Keef spilled the beans...and the share price went DOWN (a lot)
Shareholders REALLY don't like Keef

Shareholders launch a class action against Emcore and say bad things about Watson
Class action

detail of complaint


All this....and still not a single SunPube available for purchase anywhere in the world.
Despite many complaints to ASIC and other authorities, these blatant scammers persist.
Here are 2 more of my favourites

Lutec
Cycclone

and then there was the Firepower Fiasco

FIREPOWER


What can I say......AAAAARRGH!

Subject: RE: SunCube Fiasco
From: GUEST,Hoff
Date: 28 Oct 08 - 12:51 PM

Oh yeah, the CHEERS article was authored Hoff, (still pissed at greg here in the caribbean)...............

Subject: RE: SunCube Fiasco
From: Keef
Date: 28 Oct 08 - 07:12 AM

Hello again Hoff, sorry I forgot to respond to your call for help.
Let's start with the basics.
Solar is too expensive to be a viable option for the majority of people.
Price has always been about $10 per watt, even shopping around for the best possible price you are still looking at about $5 a watt.
(compare this with a 1Kw Chinese petrol generator available for say $300...plus some petrol of course).
Even with (inefficient) government subsidies the amount of solar installed is minuscule.
So along came CPV. The hope was that by using a small area of (expensive) high efficiency triple junction photocell, the price could be reduced.
Problem is that the cost of reliable accurate tracking devices that are required mean the cost per watt is not that much lower.
High temperatures and thermal cycling stresses mean that there is some doubt about the long term durability and serviceability.
Add to this the many dodgy operators like GGE and Sunrgi who have made hugely exaggerated performance claims.
A number of frustrated would be Sunpube buyers started a self help forum SunGrid
If you go to the start of that forum you can see the many ideas that were kicked around.
Unfortunately it fizzled out after Watson started "contributing"
and is now heavily censored because the forum owner doesn't want to upset Watson.
I'd love to see the price/performance of solar follow the same pattern of Personal Computers and consumer electronics and improve by many orders of magnitude.
I don't really believe there is a conspiracy by manufacturers to keep the price high. The price is headed downwards but we really need to get down to about $1 a watt before we'll have a huge public take up of solar.
I'm still working on the problem and I'll be happy to help you if and when I can find the breakthrough idea.
BTW I have a friend in Belise which is in your part of the world.
He knows a lot about solar also.
Good luck with it all.
Keef

Subject: RE: SunCube Fiasco
From: Keef
Date: 28 Oct 08 - 02:21 AM

Things seem to have gone rather quiet at the Suncube factory.

Doors are locked at the Suncube factory

Due to a cargo cult mentality which has affected many would be purchasers of the Sunpube I have been censored on many forums and some folks have called me a "psycho stalker" etc.

I thought this was a million dollar scam but I was wrong.
It is a BILLION dollar scam.

Start here!
Suncube....nightmare on Wall Street

Subject: RE: SunCube Fiasco
From: Keef
Date: 28 Oct 08 - 02:07 AM

Hi Hoff
Yes the suncube by the containerload did sound good.
My friend Brian thought so and had the following exchange with Watson

        
Attn General Manager GGE

Dear Sir
          I represent a community wind power project based in North Yorkshire UK. We have the funding and land available to create a wind farm but we have unfortunately run into some opposition because of the visual impact and possible noise problems. I have been following the progress of the Sunball/ Suncube since watching a television program which showed how the device works. We are in an area of Yorkshire which enjoys more sunshine year round than almost any other part of the UK.
We are interested in setting up a trial solar farm utilising your Suncubes. There is some urgency with this matter because since the proposed wind farm can not proceed, we may in fact lose the funding and grants that we have allocated for the project.
I have visited your website and noticed that you do have a limited number of Suncubes available for immediate delivery.
Could you please provide more details on the cost per unit, and advise what is the earliest date that you will be able to ship the products.
Regards
Brian Edwards
North Yorkshire Power Cooperative


        
Reply
        
        
        from        Greg Watson
reply-to        Greg Watson ,
to        Brian Edwards ,
date        Sun, May 4, 2008 at 8:27 PM
subject        Re: proposed solar farm UK
        
hide details 8:27 PM (11 hours ago)
        
        
Reply
        
        
Hi Brian,

GGE are now taking orders for and shipping bulk SunCubes at the lowest $ /
Watt PV cost on the planet. Such is the power of CPV. Here is what we quote:
===================

Thanks for the enquiry about bulk SunCube pricing and availability. You
should note that GGE will not sell / deliver SunCubes to any country
assigned to GGE's SCIG licenses.

Bulk SunCube prices are:

1) US$1,050 each for 200 SunCubes
2) US$990 each for 1,000 SunCubes
3) US$950 each for 2,000 SunCubes and greater

Prices are FOB our factory in Glynde. Payment terms are via LC (irrevocable
at sight) via TT (40% with order and 60% on shipment).

Limited warranty is 5 years on parts and workmanship with a CPV receiver
manufacturers warranty on degraded output of max 20% loss after 20 years.

Shipment for the first 200 SunCubes is 60 day after receipt of order and
payment. For orders of greater than 200 SunCubes we will advise the shipping
schedule in lots of 200 SunCubes. SunCube shipping can be scheduled over a
max of 3 months, if so desired, as long as the min is 200 SunCubes per
shipment.

As each SunCube is equivalent to 500 Watts of fixed flat panels, in terms of
annual kWhs produced, these prices are world best and rate the SunCube as
the lowest cost producer of solar kWhs that can be bought today. US$1.90 per
flat panel effective Watt. No other solar technology that you can buy today
can come close. Don't forget the SunCube INCLUDES a smart 2 axis tracker
that minimizes cleaning and storm damage by stowing with the lenses facing
down overnight.

All the best,
Green and Gold Energy Pty., Ltd
Greg Watson, CEO
7 Provident Avenue, Glynde, 5070
South Australia, Australia, [phone]
http://www.greenandgoldenergy.com.au



        from        Brian Edwards
to        Greg Watson ,
date        Mon, May 5, 2008 at 8:10 AM
subject        Re: proposed solar farm UK
mailed-by        googlemail.com
        
hide details 8:10 AM (6 minutes ago)
        
        
Reply
        
        
Hello Greg
Thank you for your reply, the Suncube does look as if it will be ideal for our needs. Could you please send a copy of the warranty documents as our shareholders will be requiring that. We will also be needing a copy of the performance specifications.
If these are satisfactory then we intend to place an immediate order for 1000 Suncubes for our solar farm. If these perform as expected then we anticipate expanding the project to produce 1 Megawatt peak.
Thank you for your assistance

Brian Edwards
North Yorkshire Power Cooperative

        
Hi Brian,

Sorry but we don't do samples. The output data is in the IV curve. http://www.greenandgoldenergy.com.au/Documents/Eko20080421_093622.pdf Lead time is as stated. For annual kWh production we use the sites annual DNI times 35%. SunCube spacing is generally 2 mtrs NS and 3 mtrs EW. The SunCube mounts into a 2 mtr long section of galvanized water pipe which is set 1.3 mtrs into the ground. It can be pile driven in firm soil. I have attached photos of the Azimuth drive, tracker PCB and off axis shield. Each SunCube has an inbuilt 2 axis smart tracker. Max operational wind loading is 125 kph. Stow, which is lenses pointing at the ground, can withstand 200 kph. Stow with lenses down also reduces lens cleaning and bad weather damage

All the best,
Green and Gold Energy Pty., Ltd
Greg Watson, CEO
7 Provident Avenue, Glynde, 5070
South Australia, Australia, [phone]
http://www.greenandgoldenergy.com.au


    ----- Original Message -----
    From: Brian Edwards
    - Show quoted text -
    To: Greg Watson
    Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 7:40 AM
    Subject: Re: proposed solar farm UK

    Hello Greg
    Thank you for your reply, the Suncube does look as if it will be ideal for our needs. Could you please send a copy of the warranty documents as our shareholders will be requiring that. We will also be needing a copy of the performance specifications.
    If these are satisfactory then we intend to place an immediate order for 1000 Suncubes for our solar farm. If these perform as expected then we anticipate expanding the project to produce 1 Megawatt peak.
    Thank you for your assistance
    Brian Edwards
    North Yorkshire Power Cooperative



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Hello Greg
Thank you for your prompt reply. I am very impressed with your design which is clearly a big improvement on the other products on the market. The DNI figure for our location is 2.4 Kwh per day so that yearly energy will be (x365 x 0.35) = 307 Kwh per year.
This does look like very good cost/ performance.
As the project coordinator I have a responsibility to the shareholders to ensure that their money is wisely spent.
Are you able to provide any reassurance that the Kwhours as calculated are achievable.
What is the situation with repair and warranty claims. Do you have an agent in UK?

Thank you for your assistance
Brian Edwards



If you would like to see the wonderful photographs go to flickr.com
and enter suncube.
My friend roversbreath has posted some nice photos.

Subject: RE: SunCube Fiasco
From: GUEST,hoff
Date: 26 Oct 08 - 05:32 PM

Keef... interesting blog talk with Greg. I was about to order a container of suncubes from his company, however after many unreplied requests for more info, I decided to dig a little deeper. Thats when I came across your conversations. WOW, what a fucking mistake that would have been.... Our company has a factory, in which we would like to produce low cost solar for many of the poor here in the Caribbean. Any help you can offer will be appreciated. Hoff

Subject: RE: SunCube Fiasco
From: Keef
Date: 25 Oct 08 - 10:17 PM

I think that Greg has finally realised he can't win.
I have had some interesting conversations with him on this board and many others.
I still don't have my "summonds from his legal council"
To catch up on his most recent outpourings of pseudoscience click here
Watson's whoppers

Subject: RE: SunCube Fiasco
From: GUEST,hoff
Date: 24 Oct 08 - 10:56 AM

I was intrigued with the suncube concept, but would like to ask a question of greg,(since you do not return my emails) The claim is that 5 or 6 cubes will supply power to an average home. Excuse my ignorance, however if the typical american home uses 25 kw per day, how is it that 5 500 watt cubes will supply enough power?

Subject: RE: SunCube Fiasco
From: Keef
Date: 10 Aug 08 - 02:25 AM

But wait.....there's more

http://www.citronresearch.com/index.php?s=emcore&submit=Search

Subject: RE: SunCube Fiasco
From: Keef
Date: 10 Aug 08 - 02:04 AM

Ballad of Greg Watson
Lyric update

The Ballad of Greg Watson       8-Aug-08 06:59 pm   
Come and listen to a story
Bout a man named Greg
A poor old aging scammer
Barely kept his fambly fed
And then one day he was looking at his roof
Said I'll dream me up a sunball
And I'll say that it's the troof

Well the sunball turned to suncube
And to mark two three four five
And the money kept on flowing
It felt good to be alive
But those customers kept asking
When those suncubes they'd be getting
And they started asking questions
Bout the things Greg kept forgettin

Like....Proof Greg
Simple proof
Taint hard

Well now Greg he chucked a wobbly
And he said you won't be gettin
Not a single bloody suncube
Cos it's secret...I'm not tellin
But youse can all still buy a share
In my solar funny farm
And I'm keepin all the money
So there's no cause for alarm

Gold
Green and Gold
YEE HARRRR!

Well Greg he's building factries
In Indya and Korea
But Keef he said
Hey Greg..just cut the crap
And get on out of here
Your proposals are preposterous
Your aim is very clear
So take your stupid Suncubes
And insert them in your rear!

Segue
Know when to hold em
Know when to fold em!

Pssst
Wanna buy the entire GGE operation
Zolar pulled out of the deal,
couldn't afford the three dollars!


Oh Lordy, where to start?

Mebbe try here


http://messages.finance.yahoo.com/Stocks_%28A_to_Z%29/Stocks_E/threadview?m=tm&bn=6046&tid=33914&mid=33914&tof=1&rt=2&frt=2&off=
Or here>


http://www.citronresearch.com/index.php/2008/03/25/citron-research-updates-emcore-nasdaqemkr/

Will the fun never end?

Keef

Subject: RE: SunCube Fiasco
From: Keef
Date: 19 Mar 08 - 01:14 AM

It took a long while but I FINALLY got their attention!!

Gigantic Solar Scam Down Under

The power of Mudcat!!!

Keef

Subject: RE: SunCube Fiasco
From: Keef
Date: 01 Feb 08 - 02:21 AM

Well the story continues

update on the sorry suncube saga

Follow thread forward or back for a ripping yarn!

Subject: RE: BS: Solar Scammer down under
From: Keef
Date: 18 Jan 08 - 03:41 PM

Sorry folks...should have just carried on with the old thread.
Naked grab for publicity in an attempt to put an end to the scam.
(mudcat gets up on Google much quicker than the SunGrid thread ever does)
Can I have this thread tacked on to Suncube Fiasco pretty please.
BTW I found waybackmachine
A fantastically useful place to go.

Love to all
Keef

Subject: RE: BS: Solar Scammer down under
From: Grab
Date: 18 Jan 08 - 01:14 PM

Here comes the new toss,
Same as the old toss...

Subject: RE: BS: Solar Scammer down under
From: jeffp
Date: 18 Jan 08 - 09:02 AM

Here is the original thread.

Subject: RE: BS: Solar Scammer down under
From: Geoff the Duck
Date: 18 Jan 08 - 04:41 AM

How much you charging for the Harbour Bridge?
Does it include shipping?
Quack!
GtD.

Subject: RE: BS: Solar Scammer down under
From: Amos
Date: 17 Jan 08 - 04:12 PM

Keef -- didn't you already have a long thread about this, with counterpoint from the accused?


'S up wid dat, man?


A

Subject: RE: BS: Solar Scammer down under
From: Peace
Date: 17 Jan 08 - 04:08 PM

There was a thread on this a while back. Is this gonna be SSDD?

Subject: BS: Solar Scammer down under
From: Keef
Date: 17 Jan 08 - 03:11 PM

Wanna buy the Harbour Bridge?
Well this man goes one better!
Suncube ripoff

Subject: RE: SunCube Fiasco
From: Keef
Date: 26 Aug 07 - 03:09 AM

Hello again folks (and Greg)
I've been busy having a life and trying to ignore the Suncube lunacy.
However, the latest installment is just too good to keep to myself.
If you go to
Suncube Fantasy
You will see that Greg is claiming to have ordered 120 Mwatts of solar cells for use in his Suncubes. This would be sufficient to produce 400,000 Suncubes at a price of ($1500 each as stated previously) making a total of 600 million dollars! Not bad for an unregistered small trader.
But wait there's more!
The photograph shows his "test area" which is the roof of his shed.
Bit late for the testing Greg...you've allready committed to building 400,000.
Anyway the photograph nicely demonstrates the stupidity of his plan.
We see a row of poles about 2 metres apart aligned East West.
Because the photocells are connected in series in each Suncube, even a partial shadow will cause the output to drop to zero.
I'd love to see what happens in the early morning and late afternoon,
the tracking mechanism will be going beserk! Should look like a row of clowns at Luna park.
This is all good stuff but still not as good as the latest on Greg's very own bullshit bulletin.
He has been invited to USA to advise Al Gore.
He has meet up with the Prince of Saudi Arabia??
And now this classic

Here you go....quote
(sorry if it's a big mess but Greg can't be bothered to edit)
SunCube Solar Appliance
Messages In This Digest (11 Messages)
1a. Re: Now Eat Your Words From: Marcello Vella
1b. Re: Now Eat Your Words From: Greg Watson
1c. Re: Now Eat Your Words From: Marcello Vella
1d. Re: Now Eat Your Words From: Greg Watson
1e. China From: Bernie Meyer
1f. Re: China From: Greg Watson
1g. Re: China From: Bernie Meyer
1h. Re: China From: Greg Watson
2a. transport costs From: Dave Kimble
2b. Re: transport costs From: Greg Watson
2c. Re: transport costs From: Dave Kimble
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1a. Re: Now Eat Your Words
Posted by: "Marcello Vella" [e-mail]   cello.vella
Fri Aug 24, 2007 2:18 am (PST)
Greg,

excuse me for asking, but what has cell availability got to do with;

Changing factories
IEC certification
Producing in China
Changing Direction a million times
setting up of demo site

So where is the business plan?

What about the effect of these changes on your business partners and the agreements you said you have signed with them to manufacture suncubes locally. Does your anouncement of producing in China scrupper all these agreements?

Is everyone just a doormat?

Cello



Greg Watson ha scritto:
Dave,

As I said at the time, there were issues with cell availability. Now that is behind us and we are going into high volume production with Australian distribution being set-up.

Greg
----- Original Message -----
From: Dave Kimble
To: [e-mail]
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 10:19 AM
Subject: Re: [Sunball] Now Eat Your Words


I can't believe this is your attitude.
Don't you agree the web site is amateurish ?
It is your shop window - it is where the journo went.
Don't you think they might have expected at least to see a video of the thing working
and reams about how many you have sold, and what price and power, and where you can get them ?

If you could have had the production line up and running when you said you would,
and fulfilled all the orders for people that were clamouring for them,
and had demonstration trailers at trade fairs, etc, like you said you would,
you would have a success to point at and something to complain about with the paper.

Instead on launch day you announced you were changing factories,
then that they wouldn't be for sale to the public at all,
then you harangued the very people who were your customers for being upset,
then you announced that they WOULD be for sale to the public after all,
when the certification was ready,
then that you weren't going to wait for certification,
then that you were having them made in China.

Promises much, but hasn't made it to market yet.

Dave

----- Original Message -----
From: Greg Watson
To: [e-mail]
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 9:50 AM
Subject: Re: [Sunball] Now Eat Your Words


They claimed they did nothing wrong and saw no reason to actually call us. I suggest they will get a few questions from their readers as well. Oh well that is one magazine which will not be getting any of our advertising money.

Greg
----- Original Message -----
From: Bernie Meyer
To: [e-mail]
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 8:54 AM
Subject: Re: [Sunball] Now Eat Your Words


What about a retraction or correction? Surely that wouldn't take up too much space?

Greg Watson wrote:
We asked them how they came to that conclusion. They said they checked the web site, concluded nothing was happening and wrote the words. They never even bothered to give us the courtesy of a phone call and ask what was happening. They claimed they saw no reason to take the time to call. Sloppy journalism at best.

We have offered them to come, have a look and write a proper review but so far they say they don't have enough room in the next edition.

Greg

----- Original Message -----
From: Bernie Meyer
To: [e-mail]
Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 10:08 PM
Subject: [Sunball] Now Eat Your Words


From Bumper Issue 100 of ReNew, p.77
The misses of sustainability

Sunballs, suncubes ...
A collection of esoteric solar collectors that promised much but the market didn't buy it.

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1b. Re: Now Eat Your Words
Posted by: "Greg Watson" [e-mail]   greenandgoldenergy
Fri Aug 24, 2007 2:42 am (PST)
See my answers below.

Greg

----- Original Message -----
From: Marcello Vella
To: [e-mail]
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 4:47 PM
Subject: Re: [Sunball] Now Eat Your Words

Greg,

Excuse me for asking, but what has cell availability got to do with;

Changing factories

## There is no way possible we could have manufactured the quantity of
SunCube we need in Australia. As for the SCIG licensees they can now choose
to fast track with fully assembled SunCubes, full component kits or just
selected components as they desire. I can assure you they see this move as
very supportative of their business.

IEC certification

## IEC 62108 has still not been ratified so there is no IEC certification.
We have decided not to wait and to go into markets that don't need the
certification.

Producing in China

## Very significant capacity to fast track building 2 - 3 million SunCubes a
year with a quality oriented experienced Australian partner. Our Xiamen JV
is 100% Australian owned and operated.

Changing Direction a million times

## A little overstated. We never withdrew from the SCIG licenses just
withdrew from direct GGE retail. Now Australian and other worldwide
distributors, which no longer need to manufacture, can come on board. This
will actually deliver volume SunCubes into more peoples hands that GGE doing
in ourself.

Setting up of demo site

## On our rooftop and soon all around the world. Watch this space for the
exclusive TV launch on Today Tonight (Australian channel 7).

So where is the business plan?

## What you want to invest? Why would I disclose our business plan to anyone
but an serious investor? But yes we do have a very solid business plan with
independent verification of our figures. BTW we are NOT looking for
investors.

What about the effect of these changes on your business partners and the
agreements you said you have signed with them to manufacture suncubes
locally. Does your anouncement of producing in China scrupper all these
agreements?

## Nope, no way. It actually assists the SCIG guys to fast track SunCube in
their countries and get quick traction in their markets.

Is everyone just a doormat?

## No but they are a customer who is always right.

Cello

## Greg

Greg Watson ha scritto:
Dave,

As I said at the time, there were issues with cell availability. Now that is
behind us and we are going into high volume production with Australian
distribution being set-up.

Greg
----- Original Message -----
From: Dave Kimble
To: [e-mail]
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 10:19 AM
Subject: Re: [Sunball] Now Eat Your Words

I can't believe this is your attitude.
Don't you agree the web site is amateurish ?
It is your shop window - it is where the journo went.
Don't you think they might have expected at least to see a video of the
thing working
and reams about how many you have sold, and what price and power, and where
you can get them ?

If you could have had the production line up and running when you said you
would,
and fulfilled all the orders for people that were clamouring for them,
and had demonstration trailers at trade fairs, etc, like you said you would,
you would have a success to point at and something to complain about with
the paper.

Instead on launch day you announced you were changing factories,
then that they wouldn't be for sale to the public at all,
then you harangued the very people who were your customers for being upset,
then you announced that they WOULD be for sale to the public after all,
when the certification was ready,
then that you weren't going to wait for certification,
then that you were having them made in China.

Promises much, but hasn't made it to market yet.

Dave

----- Original Message -----
From: Greg Watson
To: [e-mail]
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 9:50 AM
Subject: Re: [Sunball] Now Eat Your Words

They claimed they did nothing wrong and saw no reason to actually call us. I
suggest they will get a few questions from their readers as well. Oh well
that is one magazine which will not be getting any of our advertising money.

Greg
----- Original Message -----
From: Bernie Meyer
To: [e-mail]
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 8:54 AM
Subject: Re: [Sunball] Now Eat Your Words

What about a retraction or correction? Surely that wouldn't take up too much
space?

Greg Watson wrote:
We asked them how they came to that conclusion. They said they checked the
web site, concluded nothing was happening and wrote the words. They never
even bothered to give us the courtesy of a phone call and ask what was
happening. They claimed they saw no reason to take the time to call. Sloppy
journalism at best.

We have offered them to come, have a look and write a proper review but so
far they say they don't have enough room in the next edition.

Greg

----- Original Message -----
From: Bernie Meyer
To: [e-mail]
Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 10:08 PM
Subject: [Sunball] Now Eat Your Words

From Bumper Issue 100 of ReNew, p.77
The misses of sustainability

Sunballs, suncubes ...
A collection of esoteric solar collectors that promised much but the market
didn't buy it.

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1c. Re: Now Eat Your Words
Posted by: "Marcello Vella" [e-mail]   cello.vella
Fri Aug 24, 2007 7:07 am (PST)
***See replies below

Cello

Greg Watson ha scritto:
See my answers below.

Greg

----- Original Message -----
From: Marcello Vella
To: [e-mail]
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 4:47 PM
Subject: Re: [Sunball] Now Eat Your Words

Greg,

Excuse me for asking, but what has cell availability got to do with;

Changing factories

## There is no way possible we could have manufactured the quantity of
SunCube we need in Australia. As for the SCIG licensees they can now choose
to fast track with fully assembled SunCubes, full component kits or just
selected components as they desire. I can assure you they see this move as
very supportative of their business.
*** so what happened to the robotic lines?

IEC certification

## IEC 62108 has still not been ratified so there is no IEC certification.
We have decided not to wait and to go into markets that don't need the
certification.


Producing in China

## Very significant capacity to fast track building 2 - 3 million SunCubes a
year with a quality oriented experienced Australian partner. Our Xiamen JV
is 100% Australian owned and operated.
*** To quote you ' The suncube is not some cheap product made in China using inferior parts. So how come China means quality all over a sudden?

Changing Direction a million times

## A little overstated. We never withdrew from the SCIG licenses just
withdrew from direct GGE retail. Now Australian and other worldwide
distributors, which no longer need to manufacture, can come on board. This
will actually deliver volume SunCubes into more peoples hands that GGE doing
in ourself.
*** overstated yes; but there have been more twists and turns than in a game of snakes and ladders.

Setting up of demo site

## On our rooftop and soon all around the world. Watch this space for the
exclusive TV launch on Today Tonight (Australian channel 7).
*** unfortunately I don't have availability to that channel. So hopefully you can post a copy of the video and pics on your site.

So where is the business plan?

## What you want to invest? Why would I disclose our business plan to anyone
but an serious investor? But yes we do have a very solid business plan with
independent verification of our figures. BTW we are NOT looking for
investors.
*** asking if you have a solid business plan has nothing to do with investment. Even good ideas can fail without a solid direction. All these twists and turns show that there is no clear direction. Drawing up a solid business plan and executing is basic good business practice and not just a tool to obtain finance.

What about the effect of these changes on your business partners and the
agreements you said you have signed with them to manufacture suncubes
locally. Does your anouncement of producing in China scrupper all these
agreements?

## Nope, no way. It actually assists the SCIG guys to fast track SunCube in
their countries and get quick traction in their markets.
*** Can't comment as i'm not in their shoes.

Is everyone just a doormat?

## No but they are a customer who is always right.
*** so how about showing some goodwill towards them and mending some fences?

Cello

## Greg
*** Cello

Greg Watson ha scritto:
Dave,

As I said at the time, there were issues with cell availability. Now that is
behind us and we are going into high volume production with Australian
distribution being set-up.

Greg
----- Original Message -----
From: Dave Kimble
To: [e-mail]
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 10:19 AM
Subject: Re: [Sunball] Now Eat Your Words

I can't believe this is your attitude.
Don't you agree the web site is amateurish ?
It is your shop window - it is where the journo went.
Don't you think they might have expected at least to see a video of the
thing working
and reams about how many you have sold, and what price and power, and where
you can get them ?

If you could have had the production line up and running when you said you
would,
and fulfilled all the orders for people that were clamouring for them,
and had demonstration trailers at trade fairs, etc, like you said you would,
you would have a success to point at and something to complain about with
the paper.

Instead on launch day you announced you were changing factories,
then that they wouldn't be for sale to the public at all,
then you harangued the very people who were your customers for being upset,
then you announced that they WOULD be for sale to the public after all,
when the certification was ready,
then that you weren't going to wait for certification,
then that you were having them made in China.

Promises much, but hasn't made it to market yet.

Dave

----- Original Message -----
From: Greg Watson
To: [e-mail]
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 9:50 AM
Subject: Re: [Sunball] Now Eat Your Words

They claimed they did nothing wrong and saw no reason to actually call us. I
suggest they will get a few questions from their readers as well. Oh well
that is one magazine which will not be getting any of our advertising money.

Greg
----- Original Message -----
From: Bernie Meyer
To: [e-mail]
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 8:54 AM
Subject: Re: [Sunball] Now Eat Your Words

What about a retraction or correction? Surely that wouldn't take up too much
space?

Greg Watson wrote:
We asked them how they came to that conclusion. They said they checked the
web site, concluded nothing was happening and wrote the words. They never
even bothered to give us the courtesy of a phone call and ask what was
happening. They claimed they saw no reason to take the time to call. Sloppy
journalism at best.

We have offered them to come, have a look and write a proper review but so
far they say they don't have enough room in the next edition.

Greg

----- Original Message -----
From: Bernie Meyer
To: [e-mail]
Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 10:08 PM
Subject: [Sunball] Now Eat Your Words

From Bumper Issue 100 of ReNew, p.77
The misses of sustainability

Sunballs, suncubes ...
A collection of esoteric solar collectors that promised much but the market
didn't buy it.

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1d. Re: Now Eat Your Words
Posted by: "Greg Watson" [e-mail]   greenandgoldenergy
Fri Aug 24, 2007 7:49 am (PST)
Replies below

----- Original Message -----
From: Marcello Vella
To: [e-mail]
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 8:05 PM
Subject: Re: [Sunball] Now Eat Your Words

***See replies below

Cello

Greg Watson ha scritto:
See my answers below.

Greg

----- Original Message -----
From: Marcello Vella
To: [e-mail]
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 4:47 PM
Subject: Re: [Sunball] Now Eat Your Words

Greg,

Excuse me for asking, but what has cell availability got to do with;

Changing factories

## There is no way possible we could have manufactured the quantity of
SunCube we need in Australia. As for the SCIG licensees they can now choose
to fast track with fully assembled SunCubes, full component kits or just
selected components as they desire. I can assure you they see this move as
very supportative of their business.
*** so what happened to the robotic lines?
## In progress both in Australia and China. The Adelaide cell assy facility
wil product over 300 MWs per year of cell assemblies using robotics. The
required dirt / dust free room is almost finished. Photos in a few days.

IEC certification

## IEC 62108 has still not been ratified so there is no IEC certification.
We have decided not to wait and to go into markets that don't need the
certification.

Producing in China

## Very significant capacity to fast track building 2 - 3 million SunCubes a
year with a quality oriented experienced Australian partner. Our Xiamen JV
is 100% Australian owned and operated.
*** To quote you ' The suncube is not some cheap product made in China using
inferior parts. So how come China means quality all over a sudden?
## You missed 100% Australian owned and operated facility. How do you come
up with inferior parts? Trying to downgrade the product are we? Another
agenda do we have do we? We and our cell supplier do offer a silicon flat
panel equivalent warranty. Please tell me of another CPV supplier who can /
will match that.

## Inferior parts? Cheap shot I suggest.

Changing Direction a million times

## A little overstated. We never withdrew from the SCIG licenses just
withdrew from direct GGE retail. Now Australian and other worldwide
distributors, which no longer need to manufacture, can come on board. This
will actually deliver volume SunCubes into more peoples hands that GGE doing
in ourself.
*** overstated yes; but there have been more twists and turns than in a game
of snakes and ladders.
## Incorrect. We initiated licenses worldwide and are now giving them what
they need to get rapid traction. As for twists and turns do you really
expect us to reveal on a public forum where we are really going? I'm sure
you know of what I speak.

Setting up of demo site

## On our rooftop and soon all around the world. Watch this space for the
exclusive TV launch on Today Tonight (Australian channel 7).
*** unfortunately I don't have availability to that channel. So hopefully
you can post a copy of the video and pics on your site.
## There will be a copy on the web site.

So where is the business plan?

## What you want to invest? Why would I disclose our business plan to anyone
but an serious investor? But yes we do have a very solid business plan with
independent verification of our figures. BTW we are NOT looking for
investors.
*** asking if you have a solid business plan has nothing to do with
investment. Even good ideas can fail without a solid direction. All these
twists and turns show that there is no clear direction. Drawing up a solid
business plan and executing is basic good business practice and not just a
tool to obtain finance.
## With respect there have been very few deviations. Our thrust is very
simple. Solar farms that deliver fossil fuel competitive kWhs with matching
retain distribution. Rooftop solar that doesn't need rebates to deliver cost
effective solar kWhs. You somehow think these goals are somehow easy? Just
snap your finger and they happen? There is no one even remotely close. No
one.
## The only deviation was to back away from direct retail sales. If you are
a long time "Cubie" then you know our first market thrust was distribution
and not direct retain. We were blocked in that effort by flat panel
distributors and pulled back to direct sales. In actuality we have now gone
back to where we were when we started. We make it and they distribute it. We
have a product that will very significantly dent existing flat anel sales.
Don't think marketing a very distuptive product is simple or follows
conventional marketing rules.

What about the effect of these changes on your business partners and the
agreements you said you have signed with them to manufacture suncubes
locally. Does your anouncement of producing in China scrupper all these
agreements?

## Nope, no way. It actually assists the SCIG guys to fast track SunCube in
their countries and get quick traction in their markets.
*** Can't comment as i'm not in their shoes.
## Well those that are, are very pleased. Our Indian, Israel, Spanish,
Korean, Japanese, US, Australian and Middle East / North Africian parteners
have all visited in the last 4 weeks. The 105 MWs of cells we ordered are
taken and we are proceeding to order another 200 MWs. We may even build a
cell fab plant in Adelaide.

Is everyone just a doormat?

## No but they are a customer who is always right.
*** so how about showing some goodwill towards them and mending some fences?
## Meding what fences? We are moving rapidly to open retail distribution
channels worldwide. If you expect installation rebates then go to the
silicon guys. If you want the lowest $ / kWh them buy SunCubes. Your choice.

Cello

## Greg
*** Cello

Greg Watson ha scritto:

Dave,

As I said at the time, there were issues with cell availability. Now that is
behind us and we are going into high volume production with Australian
distribution being set-up.

Greg
----- Original Message -----
From: Dave Kimble
To: [e-mail]
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 10:19 AM
Subject: Re: [Sunball] Now Eat Your Words

I can't believe this is your attitude.
Don't you agree the web site is amateurish ?
It is your shop window - it is where the journo went.
Don't you think they might have expected at least to see a video of the
thing working
and reams about how many you have sold, and what price and power, and where
you can get them ?

If you could have had the production line up and running when you said you
would,
and fulfilled all the orders for people that were clamouring for them,
and had demonstration trailers at trade fairs, etc, like you said you would,
you would have a success to point at and something to complain about with
the paper.

Instead on launch day you announced you were changing factories,
then that they wouldn't be for sale to the public at all,
then you harangued the very people who were your customers for being upset,
then you announced that they WOULD be for sale to the public after all,
when the certification was ready,
then that you weren't going to wait for certification,
then that you were having them made in China.

Promises much, but hasn't made it to market yet.

Dave

----- Original Message -----
From: Greg Watson
To: [e-mail]
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 9:50 AM
Subject: Re: [Sunball] Now Eat Your Words

They claimed they did nothing wrong and saw no reason to actually call us. I
suggest they will get a few questions from their readers as well. Oh well
that is one magazine which will not be getting any of our advertising money.

Greg
----- Original Message -----
From: Bernie Meyer
To: [e-mail]
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 8:54 AM
Subject: Re: [Sunball] Now Eat Your Words

What about a retraction or correction? Surely that wouldn't take up too much
space?

Greg Watson wrote:
We asked them how they came to that conclusion. They said they checked the
web site, concluded nothing was happening and wrote the words. They never
even bothered to give us the courtesy of a phone call and ask what was
happening. They claimed they saw no reason to take the time to call. Sloppy
journalism at best.

We have offered them to come, have a look and write a proper review but so
far they say they don't have enough room in the next edition.

Greg

----- Original Message -----
From: Bernie Meyer
To: [e-mail]
Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 10:08 PM
Subject: [Sunball] Now Eat Your Words

From Bumper Issue 100 of ReNew, p.77
The misses of sustainability

Sunballs, suncubes ...
A collection of esoteric solar collectors that promised much but the market
didn't buy it.

Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who
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Yahoo! Answers - Check it out.

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1e. China
Posted by: "Bernie Meyer" [e-mail]   a1j7g3
Fri Aug 24, 2007 6:30 pm (PST)
You mentioned "So how come China means quality all over a sudden?" If you look at the recent recalls, then probably it doesn't.

Certainly, I stay well clear of their food products due to lack of standards there and here (why do we allow food items banned in the US?). Maybe electronics and other related manufacturing items are acceptable.

The problem is they have been thrust into the modern age, but many important issues are still rather primitive.

Marcello Vella wrote:
***See replies below

Cello

Greg Watson ha scritto:
See my answers below.

Greg

----- Original Message -----
From: Marcello Vella
To: [e-mail]
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 4:47 PM
Subject: Re: [Sunball] Now Eat Your Words

Greg,

Excuse me for asking, but what has cell availability got to do with;

Changing factories

## There is no way possible we could have manufactured the quantity of
SunCube we need in Australia. As for the SCIG licensees they can now choose
to fast track with fully assembled SunCubes, full component kits or just
selected components as they desire. I can assure you they see this move as
very supportative of their business.
*** so what happened to the robotic lines?

IEC certification

## IEC 62108 has still not been ratified so there is no IEC certification.
We have decided not to wait and to go into markets that don't need the
certification.


Producing in China

## Very significant capacity to fast track building 2 - 3 million SunCubes a
year with a quality oriented experienced Australian partner. Our Xiamen JV
is 100% Australian owned and operated.
*** To quote you ' The suncube is not some cheap product made in China using inferior parts. So how come China means quality all over a sudden?

Changing Direction a million times

## A little overstated. We never withdrew from the SCIG licenses just
withdrew from direct GGE retail. Now Australian and other worldwide
distributors, which no longer need to manufacture, can come on board. This
will actually deliver volume SunCubes into more peoples hands that GGE doing
in ourself.
*** overstated yes; but there have been more twists and turns than in a game of snakes and ladders.

Setting up of demo site

## On our rooftop and soon all around the world. Watch this space for the
exclusive TV launch on Today Tonight (Australian channel 7).
*** unfortunately I don't have availability to that channel. So hopefully you can post a copy of the video and pics on your site.

So where is the business plan?

## What you want to invest? Why would I disclose our business plan to anyone
but an serious investor? But yes we do have a very solid business plan with
independent verification of our figures. BTW we are NOT looking for
investors.
*** asking if you have a solid business plan has nothing to do with investment. Even good ideas can fail without a solid direction. All these twists and turns show that there is no clear direction. Drawing up a solid business plan and executing is basic good business practice and not just a tool to obtain finance.

What about the effect of these changes on your business partners and the
agreements you said you have signed with them to manufacture suncubes
locally. Does your anouncement of producing in China scrupper all these
agreements?

## Nope, no way. It actually assists the SCIG guys to fast track SunCube in
their countries and get quick traction in their markets.
*** Can't comment as i'm not in their shoes.

Is everyone just a doormat?

## No but they are a customer who is always right.
*** so how about showing some goodwill towards them and mending some fences?

Cello

## Greg
*** Cello

Greg Watson ha scritto:
Dave,

As I said at the time, there were issues with cell availability. Now that is
behind us and we are going into high volume production with Australian
distribution being set-up.

Greg
----- Original Message -----
From: Dave Kimble
To: [e-mail]
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 10:19 AM
Subject: Re: [Sunball] Now Eat Your Words

I can't believe this is your attitude.
Don't you agree the web site is amateurish ?
It is your shop window - it is where the journo went.
Don't you think they might have expected at least to see a video of the
thing working
and reams about how many you have sold, and what price and power, and where
you can get them ?

If you could have had the production line up and running when you said you
would,
and fulfilled all the orders for people that were clamouring for them,
and had demonstration trailers at trade fairs, etc, like you said you would,
you would have a success to point at and something to complain about with
the paper.

Instead on launch day you announced you were changing factories,
then that they wouldn't be for sale to the public at all,
then you harangued the very people who were your customers for being upset,
then you announced that they WOULD be for sale to the public after all,
when the certification was ready,
then that you weren't going to wait for certification,
then that you were having them made in China.

Promises much, but hasn't made it to market yet.

Dave

----- Original Message -----
From: Greg Watson
To: [e-mail]
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 9:50 AM
Subject: Re: [Sunball] Now Eat Your Words

They claimed they did nothing wrong and saw no reason to actually call us. I
suggest they will get a few questions from their readers as well. Oh well
that is one magazine which will not be getting any of our advertising money.

Greg
----- Original Message -----
From: Bernie Meyer
To: [e-mail]
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 8:54 AM
Subject: Re: [Sunball] Now Eat Your Words

What about a retraction or correction? Surely that wouldn't take up too much
space?

Greg Watson wrote:
We asked them how they came to that conclusion. They said they checked the
web site, concluded nothing was happening and wrote the words. They never
even bothered to give us the courtesy of a phone call and ask what was
happening. They claimed they saw no reason to take the time to call. Sloppy
journalism at best.

We have offered them to come, have a look and write a proper review but so
far they say they don't have enough room in the next edition.

Greg

----- Original Message -----
From: Bernie Meyer
To: [e-mail]
Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 10:08 PM
Subject: [Sunball] Now Eat Your Words

From Bumper Issue 100 of ReNew, p.77
The misses of sustainability

Sunballs, suncubes ...
A collection of esoteric solar collectors that promised much but the market
didn't buy it.

Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who
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Yahoo! Answers - Check it out.

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1f. Re: China
Posted by: "Greg Watson" [e-mail]   greenandgoldenergy
Fri Aug 24, 2007 6:40 pm (PST)
The Xiamen facility is 100% Australian owned and operated. We design the manufacturing process, define and control the quality standards. We just use Chinese CNC shops to do the machining of the various components. I say again the Xiamen JV is not Chinese. It is 100% Australian owned and operated. Members of the Australian management team are moving their families to Xiamen to run the facility.

Greg
----- Original Message -----
From: Bernie Meyer
To: [e-mail]
Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2007 10:49 AM
Subject: [Sunball] China

You mentioned "So how come China means quality all over a sudden?" If you look at the recent recalls, then probably it doesn't.

Certainly, I stay well clear of their food products due to lack of standards there and here (why do we allow food items banned in the US?). Maybe electronics and other related manufacturing items are acceptable.

The problem is they have been thrust into the modern age, but many important issues are still rather primitive.

Marcello Vella wrote:
***See replies below

Cello

Greg Watson ha scritto:
See my answers below.

Greg

----- Original Message -----
From: Marcello Vella
To: [e-mail]
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 4:47 PM
Subject: Re: [Sunball] Now Eat Your Words

Greg,

Excuse me for asking, but what has cell availability got to do with;

Changing factories

## There is no way possible we could have manufactured the quantity of
SunCube we need in Australia. As for the SCIG licensees they can now choose
to fast track with fully assembled SunCubes, full component kits or just
selected components as they desire. I can assure you they see this move as
very supportative of their business.
*** so what happened to the robotic lines?

IEC certification

## IEC 62108 has still not been ratified so there is no IEC certification.
We have decided not to wait and to go into markets that don't need the
certification.

Producing in China

## Very significant capacity to fast track building 2 - 3 million SunCubes a
year with a quality oriented experienced Australian partner. Our Xiamen JV
is 100% Australian owned and operated.
*** To quote you ' The suncube is not some cheap product made in China using inferior parts. So how come China means quality all over a sudden?

Changing Direction a million times

## A little overstated. We never withdrew from the SCIG licenses just
withdrew from direct GGE retail. Now Australian and other worldwide
distributors, which no longer need to manufacture, can come on board. This
will actually deliver volume SunCubes into more peoples hands that GGE doing
in ourself.
*** overstated yes; but there have been more twists and turns than in a game of snakes and ladders.

Setting up of demo site

## On our rooftop and soon all around the world. Watch this space for the
exclusive TV launch on Today Tonight (Australian channel 7).
*** unfortunately I don't have availability to that channel. So hopefully you can post a copy of the video and pics on your site.

So where is the business plan?

## What you want to invest? Why would I disclose our business plan to anyone
but an serious investor? But yes we do have a very solid business plan with
independent verification of our figures. BTW we are NOT looking for
investors.
*** asking if you have a solid business plan has nothing to do with investment. Even good ideas can fail without a solid direction. All these twists and turns show that there is no clear direction. Drawing up a solid business plan and executing is basic good business practice and not just a tool to obtain finance.

What about the effect of these changes on your business partners and the
agreements you said you have signed with them to manufacture suncubes
locally. Does your anouncement of producing in China scrupper all these
agreements?

## Nope, no way. It actually assists the SCIG guys to fast track SunCube in
their countries and get quick traction in their markets.
*** Can't comment as i'm not in their shoes.

Is everyone just a doormat?

## No but they are a customer who is always right.
*** so how about showing some goodwill towards them and mending some fences?

Cello

## Greg
*** Cello

Greg Watson ha scritto:
Dave,

As I said at the time, there were issues with cell availability. Now that is
behind us and we are going into high volume production with Australian
distribution being set-up.

Greg
----- Original Message -----
From: Dave Kimble
To: [e-mail]
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 10:19 AM
Subject: Re: [Sunball] Now Eat Your Words

I can't believe this is your attitude.
Don't you agree the web site is amateurish ?
It is your shop window - it is where the journo went.
Don't you think they might have expected at least to see a video of the
thing working
and reams about how many you have sold, and what price and power, and where
you can get them ?

If you could have had the production line up and running when you said you
would,
and fulfilled all the orders for people that were clamouring for them,
and had demonstration trailers at trade fairs, etc, like you said you would,
you would have a success to point at and something to complain about with
the paper.

Instead on launch day you announced you were changing factories,
then that they wouldn't be for sale to the public at all,
then you harangued the very people who were your customers for being upset,
then you announced that they WOULD be for sale to the public after all,
when the certification was ready,
then that you weren't going to wait for certification,
then that you were having them made in China.

Promises much, but hasn't made it to market yet.

Dave

----- Original Message -----
From: Greg Watson
To: [e-mail]
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 9:50 AM
Subject: Re: [Sunball] Now Eat Your Words

They claimed they did nothing wrong and saw no reason to actually call us. I
suggest they will get a few questions from their readers as well. Oh well
that is one magazine which will not be getting any of our advertising money.

Greg
----- Original Message -----
From: Bernie Meyer
To: [e-mail]
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 8:54 AM
Subject: Re: [Sunball] Now Eat Your Words

What about a retraction or correction? Surely that wouldn't take up too much
space?

Greg Watson wrote:
We asked them how they came to that conclusion. They said they checked the
web site, concluded nothing was happening and wrote the words. They never
even bothered to give us the courtesy of a phone call and ask what was
happening. They claimed they saw no reason to take the time to call. Sloppy
journalism at best.

We have offered them to come, have a look and write a proper review but so
far they say they don't have enough room in the next edition.

Greg

----- Original Message -----
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To: [e-mail]
Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 10:08 PM
Subject: [Sunball] Now Eat Your Words

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1g. Re: China
Posted by: "Bernie Meyer" [e-mail]   a1j7g3
Sat Aug 25, 2007 12:35 am (PST)
Hi Greg,

It's great the facility is 100% Australian, but sad it had to come to that. It would have been nice if Australian labour could have been used in Australia, but there are probably lots of good viable reasons to manufacture off shore - and quantity is most likely a major factor.

Bernie

Greg Watson wrote:
The Xiamen facility is 100% Australian owned and operated. We design the manufacturing process, define and control the quality standards. We just use Chinese CNC shops to do the machining of the various components. I say again the Xiamen JV is not Chinese. It is 100% Australian owned and operated. Members of the Australian management team are moving their families to Xiamen to run the facility.

Greg
----- Original Message -----
From: Bernie Meyer
To: [e-mail]
Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2007 10:49 AM
Subject: [Sunball] China


You mentioned "So how come China means quality all over a sudden?" If you look at the recent recalls, then probably it doesn't.

Certainly, I stay well clear of their food products due to lack of standards there and here (why do we allow food items banned in the US?). Maybe electronics and other related manufacturing items are acceptable.

The problem is they have been thrust into the modern age, but many important issues are still rather primitive.

Marcello Vella wrote:
***See replies below
Cello

Greg Watson ha scritto:
See my answers below.

Greg

----- Original Message -----
From: Marcello Vella
To: [e-mail]
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 4:47 PM
Subject: Re: [Sunball] Now Eat Your Words

Greg,

Excuse me for asking, but what has cell availability got to do with;

Changing factories

## There is no way possible we could have manufactured the quantity of
SunCube we need in Australia. As for the SCIG licensees they can now choose
to fast track with fully assembled SunCubes, full component kits or just
selected components as they desire. I can assure you they see this move as
very supportative of their business.
*** so what happened to the robotic lines?

IEC certification

## IEC 62108 has still not been ratified so there is no IEC certification.
We have decided not to wait and to go into markets that don't need the
certification.


Producing in China

## Very significant capacity to fast track building 2 - 3 million SunCubes a
year with a quality oriented experienced Australian partner. Our Xiamen JV
is 100% Australian owned and operated.
*** To quote you ' The suncube is not some cheap product made in China using inferior parts. So how come China means quality all over a sudden?

Changing Direction a million times

## A little overstated. We never withdrew from the SCIG licenses just
withdrew from direct GGE retail. Now Australian and other worldwide
distributors, which no longer need to manufacture, can come on board. This
will actually deliver volume SunCubes into more peoples hands that GGE doing
in ourself.
*** overstated yes; but there have been more twists and turns than in a game of snakes and ladders.

Setting up of demo site

## On our rooftop and soon all around the world. Watch this space for the
exclusive TV launch on Today Tonight (Australian channel 7).
*** unfortunately I don't have availability to that channel. So hopefully you can post a copy of the video and pics on your site.

So where is the business plan?

## What you want to invest? Why would I disclose our business plan to anyone
but an serious investor? But yes we do have a very solid business plan with
independent verification of our figures. BTW we are NOT looking for
investors.
*** asking if you have a solid business plan has nothing to do with investment. Even good ideas can fail without a solid direction. All these twists and turns show that there is no clear direction. Drawing up a solid business plan and executing is basic good business practice and not just a tool to obtain finance.

What about the effect of these changes on your business partners and the
agreements you said you have signed with them to manufacture suncubes
locally. Does your anouncement of producing in China scrupper all these
agreements?

## Nope, no way. It actually assists the SCIG guys to fast track SunCube in
their countries and get quick traction in their markets.
*** Can't comment as i'm not in their shoes.

Is everyone just a doormat?

## No but they are a customer who is always right.
*** so how about showing some goodwill towards them and mending some fences?

Cello

## Greg
*** Cello

Greg Watson ha scritto:
Dave,

As I said at the time, there were issues with cell availability. Now that is
behind us and we are going into high volume production with Australian
distribution being set-up.

Greg
----- Original Message -----
From: Dave Kimble
To: [e-mail]
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 10:19 AM
Subject: Re: [Sunball] Now Eat Your Words

I can't believe this is your attitude.
Don't you agree the web site is amateurish ?
It is your shop window - it is where the journo went.
Don't you think they might have expected at least to see a video of the
thing working
and reams about how many you have sold, and what price and power, and where
you can get them ?

If you could have had the production line up and running when you said you
would,
and fulfilled all the orders for people that were clamouring for them,
and had demonstration trailers at trade fairs, etc, like you said you would,
you would have a success to point at and something to complain about with
the paper.

Instead on launch day you announced you were changing factories,
then that they wouldn't be for sale to the public at all,
then you harangued the very people who were your customers for being upset,
then you announced that they WOULD be for sale to the public after all,
when the certification was ready,
then that you weren't going to wait for certification,
then that you were having them made in China.

Promises much, but hasn't made it to market yet.

Dave

----- Original Message -----
From: Greg Watson
To: [e-mail]
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 9:50 AM
Subject: Re: [Sunball] Now Eat Your Words

They claimed they did nothing wrong and saw no reason to actually call us. I
suggest they will get a few questions from their readers as well. Oh well
that is one magazine which will not be getting any of our advertising money.

Greg
----- Original Message -----
From: Bernie Meyer
To: [e-mail]
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 8:54 AM
Subject: Re: [Sunball] Now Eat Your Words

What about a retraction or correction? Sur

Subject: RE: SunCube Fiasco
From: GUEST,Enertwent
Date: 20 Jul 07 - 04:52 AM

Good morning Mr. Keef

Your plan sounds good.

I like the Idea travelling around.

If possible we can arrange a meeting during your stay in Europe.

I just confirmed the emailaddres.

I'll keep in touch with you trough that address.

Enertwent.

Subject: RE: SunCube Fiasco
From: Keef
Date: 19 Jul 07 - 09:10 PM

Hello Mr Enertwent
I have sent an email to your AOL address
Please be in touch.
Keef

Subject: RE: SunCube Fiasco
From: Keef
Date: 19 Jul 07 - 08:55 PM

Hello Enertwent
Sorry if I spelled your name incorrectly...it is much harder to spell than Keef is!
Please don't read any offence into that, I am genuine and I would be genuinely interested in obtaining a system.
I am away from home at the moment and having a few hassles using public computers.
My usual residence is NSW North coast.
I am intending to leave on a 6 month holiday shortly, going to UK and Ireland to pursue my musical ambitions and to drink heaps of Guiness and Murphys stout.
Since you are in EU I could easily make contact with you. (I hold Australian and EU passports).
I am very interested in any business or employment opportunities in the solar area.
I am qualified in electronics and salesmanship and have run my own business.
I won't give out my email on a public forum but you can send me a message via Mudcat private message...just join up then we can get in touch.
Regards
Keef

Subject: RE: SunCube Fiasco
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 17 Jul 07 - 11:38 PM

I can understand Keef's cynicism - why no web address, why no domain, just an AOL email addy?

Subject: RE: SunCube Fiasco
From: GUEST,Enertwent
Date: 17 Jul 07 - 11:23 AM

Mr. Keef,

now it is twice you did not take the notice to spell even our company-name correct. Why not? Not realy interested? Then please tell us. Do you think we are as folish as other people you were connected too in the past?
Maybey you are already influenced too much!
We thought
1e. helping you this way,getting a good contact in AU, with the possibility getting an alternative for a good on grid unit too, and telling people down under what there is really available.
2e. Get a good contact, but for now, we are not sure anymore, looking at your reaction until now.

So if you are really interested, re-read the messages and let us know what and if you really want the contact.. We are an EU-Company, interested in the AU-market, but only in the serious way and we thought you might be a possible key to it. Sorry if we are wrong with it.

Subject: RE: SunCube Fiasco
From: Keef
Date: 16 Jul 07 - 11:08 PM

Thanks Mr Enert?

Subject: RE: SunCube Fiasco
From: GUEST,Enertwent
Date: 16 Jul 07 - 03:20 AM

Hi Keef,

thanks for your reaction.

We are realy trying to develop a small solarfam with an cpv -system,
almost ready for commercial use, as a pilotproject.

I'll keep in touch, wenn we are ready for it.

Please give me direct email-connection. I do not want to hang all information out of the window. Mine you can use is: [e-mail]

enertwent

Subject: RE: SunCube Fiasco
From: Keef
Date: 15 Jul 07 - 10:24 PM

Hi Mr Enterwent
What I realy wanted was exactly what Mr Watson was promising.
A solar system that for a price of about $1500 would give me 600 Kwhours per year. On the promise of that I foolishly bought a small electric fridge (rated at 300 Kwhours per year). I also bought a 100 Watt "flattie" (as Watson scornfully calls them), a chinese wind generator (don't bother..not much good) and a cheap generator to be going along with until my wonderful Suncube arrived.
Along with the other 4000 prospective customers I have recieved no explanation or apology for the about face.
This annoyed me somewhat and therefore I started doing some research.
It is quite obvious that the Suncube could never have done what it was claimed to do. For myself I could easily make do with a ground mounted unit. For the average customer, a roof mounted system is preferred, however the Suncube would have been a near impossibility to roof mount.
The other thing that I want is to expose Mr Watson for what he really is and to help prevent more people being hurt by his actions.
Those who have paid money for production or distribution rights have no chance of getting their money back.
The Suncube will never be available for retail sale.
The solar farms are an impossibility, even allowing for Watson's distorted costings ($600 per suncube total budget for the complete solar farm!).
If you do have a cpv system coming up that will do even half of what the sunpube was claimed to do then I'll buy one for sure.
I'll also be happy to tell the world how well it works.
BTW I used to tell everone how great the Sunball was going to be...sigh
Keef

Subject: RE: SunCube Fiasco
From: GUEST,Enertwent
Date: 14 Jul 07 - 06:52 AM

Keef

What do you really want, apart from your battle against GGE?

If it is a working CPV-system,whether for privat or industrial use,
we might be able to help you in the near future.

Subject: RE: SunCube Fiasco
From: Keef
Date: 13 Jul 07 - 11:38 PM

Hi Hlper
Yes I know that part is all bullshit, and I don't claim to be a rocket surgeon like Greg.
He has now totally corrupted the Sungrid group and you and I are no longer welcome!
Personally I haven't lost anything except a lot of time over this.
He has annoyed me sufficiently that I will not be happy until I see him get the kind of publicity that he so richly deserves.
I'll keep plugging away and I will fix him properly soon enough.
Have you noticed that the famous Emcore letter has totally gone from his website?
Even the more discrete link that he gave above http://www.greenandgoldenergy.com.au/Documents/EmcoreGGE.pdf
does not work any more.
Here is an appeal to everyone reading this thread....please spread the word....copy and paste all you like and lets give this scammer all the publicity he craves.
The filthy hypocrit keeps banging on about CO2 and how he alone can save the world...aaaargh.

Subject: RE: SunCube Fiasco
From: GUEST,Hlper
Date: 11 Jul 07 - 07:06 AM

Hi Keef,


Be careful of Watson's "replicated energy release" and ambient heat creating kinetic energy and pushing along a steel ball.

It is a shame so many people lack basic education in physics.

Fancy all that BS by Watson to explain the simple fact that the extra energy came from the potential energy associated with the magnetic fields of the two magnets that were already placed;as soon as the steel ball was then placed the potential energy was absorbed in pushing the ball.

Electrons most always orbit in atoms whether in metals like Iron or non-metals,unless in extreme situations.Room temp and thermal energy are associated with atomic vibrations right down to absolute zero where Bose-Einstein determined that another state of matter exists and all atoms clump together and vibrate in harmony(0 deg.Kelvin).
In space temp.is around 4 deg. Kelvin due to background radiation.

H.=Hawking

Subject: RE: SunCube Fiasco
From: Keef
Date: 08 Jul 07 - 07:16 PM

From the sungrid forum....

Banned
I have banned Keef for a week. I am not messding around, NO personal attacks. Chris


Meanwhile Greg the Scammer is free to spout his bullshit and attempt to suck in more idiots.

Good luck with that Greg

Subject: RE: SunCube Fiasco
From: Keef
Date: 07 Jul 07 - 07:16 PM

Do it yourself scam guide
Just follow these simple instructions!


Scamming for Dummies

Subject: RE: SunCube Fiasco
From: Keef
Date: 07 Jul 07 - 07:07 PM

Come and listen to a story
Bout a man named Greg
A poor old aging scammer
Barely kept his fambly fed
And then one day he was looking at his roof
Said I'll dream me up a sunball
And I'll say that it's the troof

Well the sunball turned to suncube
And to mark two three four five
And the money kept on flowing
It felt good to be alive
But those customers kept asking
When those suncubes they'd be getting
And they started asking questions
Bout the things Greg kept forgettin

Like....Proof Greg
Simple proof
Taint hard

Well now Greg he chucked a wobbly
And he said you won't be gettin
Not a single bloody suncube
Cos it's secret...I'm not tellin
But youse can all still buy a share
In my solar funny farm
And I'm keepin all the money
So there's no cause for alarm

Gold
Green and Gold
YEE HARRRR!

Subject: RE: SunCube Fiasco
From: GUEST,Hlper
Date: 06 Jul 07 - 03:19 AM

Hi all,


To this very day Watson still maintains his claims of solar farms and rooftop designs, with no real and material evidence to back his claims except "mock ups" of the apparent SunCube.

He has made many claims that have not happened along with many timelines that have passed.He and GGE have made the claims and made them public, notwithsatnding any claims of privacy and IP protection,as there is no IP to protect.

The solarfarm scale of 3x3 suncubes would fail even if it were real.
New and real CPV is coming which has real solar farm trackers which are large.

There are several other organisations in Australia from Qld that with NSW are looking at importing such CPV technology very soon.




H.

Subject: RE: SunCube Fiasco
From: Keef
Date: 05 Jul 07 - 08:26 PM

Well...have a look at what the "investors" get for their money
Sundog!

That is a VERY appropriate mascot.
The suncube IS a dog!

Pity about the investors though. They can't sell suncubes (much too secret).
What they have to do instead is find enough mugs to put up another few billion dollars to build the lunatic solar farms which will of course need to be guarded round the clock in case anyone steals the secrets!!!

I think it's Greg that has had too much sunshine.
He's gone troppo!!!

"never give a sucker an even break" W. C. Fields.

"Give me all your money" Greg Watson

Subject: RE: SunCube Fiasco
From: Keef
Date: 04 Jul 07 - 08:32 PM

Er Hlper...he won't find any lessor (or even lesser) humans here!
Mudcatters are way nicer and smarter than most.

Anyhow, back to Keef's tireless crusade against Greg The Scammer.
Here is a snippet of his latest words of wisdom
(from a contributor)
Hi Greg,

One thing that might help you in the future in your efforts to put a
Suncube solar farm in a remote part of South Australia is the fact that
potentially vast amounts of geothermal energy are also in this part of
South Australia also which will need power lines to get its output to where
it is needed. But then the potential geothermal energy will probably dwarf
what can be generated by solar energy and the geothermal energy will be
available non-stop. But the potential geothermal energy is going to take a
while to be exploited. I predictably haven't noticed any effort by John
Howard to do anything about this.
..................................
And here is how Greg spins this his way
.................................
Posted by: "Greg Watson" [e-mail]   greenandgoldenergy
Tue Jul 3, 2007 5:34 pm (PST)
Hi Bill,

There are 120,000 TWs of energy available from the sun on the surface of the
planet. We humans currently use 13 TWs or 0.01% of what is available. Sorry
mate but solar totally stomps on geothermal availability (you are reading
too may of their investment IMs) and we can deliver at a fraction of the
cost that they can and we can build plants just about anywhere there is good
sun. Which are a LOT more places than there are hot rocks, which cool down
over time.
...........................................

That is of course..utter crap
The source of heat within the hot rocks is actually very low level radioactive decay in the granite rocks. The heat source is virtualy inexhaustible. The main obstacle is provision of a high power transmission line to the source.

However Greg still thinks his "Noddy in Toytown" Sunpubes plan is much
better.

As I always say....
What an idiot!
Keef

Subject: RE: SunCube Fiasco
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 04 Jul 07 - 10:14 AM

"why matter in our universe wants to move by itself"

You've got that back-asswards - once moving, it doesn't want to stop, unless energy external to itlsef is apppled and absorbed.

Regarding installation of PV units on roofs of shopping centres, as described - such activities are for real in some parts of the world.


"ones relative position being Earth/Space"

I have no clue what you are talking about, and I suspect you don't either...

Subject: RE: SunCube Fiasco
From: GUEST,Hlper
Date: 04 Jul 07 - 03:51 AM

Hi,


RE: Energy flux density

Interesting and I would tend to agree however remember ones relative position being Earth/Space and your terms of reference were sunlight and starlight.

More intersting would be to determine why matter in our universe wants to move by itself, versus being moved for a long time by the unusual universal forces in space. ?



H.

Subject: RE: SunCube Fiasco
From: GUEST,Hlper
Date: 04 Jul 07 - 02:49 AM

Hi all,



Watson has moved into the Yahoo SunGrid Group like a parasite in search of lessor humans(sorry but they are dumb).

Thw Watson Parasite does great harm to the solar industry in Australia whilst lessor humans entertain such a parasite.


H.

Subject: RE: SunCube Fiasco
From: Keef
Date: 03 Jul 07 - 07:36 PM

Quote from Greg
Hi Andy,

The SunBall's electronics needs VERY little power to operate. Even street
light and moon light will drive the electronics. The drive motors need some
light to move the SunBall. On a clear morning there is more than enough
power even 30 minutes before dawn. The motors only need a fraction of a watt
to drive the SunBall so if there is light the SunBall can move.

I don't think we'll be seeing Greg back here...he prefers groups with a lower collective intelligence.
That is why he did so well with his OverUnity tosh...those groups mainly attract the tinfoil hat brigade.
The solar scam was a good plan also...lots of good folks really do want to do something good to save energy and if you don't have a technical background it is easy to fall for the hype.

The way the law works in Australia it is quite possible he can carry on like this for a while longer.
Immoral....yes
Unethical....yes
SLEAZY....yes
but illegal?....possibly not

Here is a classic bullshit from his own sunball forum (now closed)

Hi All,

Green and Gold Energy (GGE) have signed a Letter of Intent with the owners
of the Modbury Triangle Shopping Centre (MTSC), Modbury, South Australia,
Australia to install at least 750kW peak, 2GWH annually of SunBalls.

This will, to our knowledge, make the MTSC, the first solar powered shopping
centre in Australia.

This will be enough SunBalls to effectively take the MTSC off the grid and
have a significant effect on the local distribution companies (ETSA) peak
network demand. The long term cost of the SunBall generated kWh is
significantly below the lowest peak price the directors of the MTSC could
obtain from local electricity retailers and will represent a significant
saving on electricity expenditure.

GGE and the MTSC directors will also investigate the avoided network cost
advantaged available to ETSA due to a lowered peak hot summer afternoon
network demand.

The directors of the MTSC will investigate installing a SunBall viewing and
data information facility so interested shoppers can view how the
electricity that is powering the MTSC and the lights above their heads is
being beamed from the sun, captured and converted into electricity that very
second.

Installation is expected to occur in the 3 qtr of 2006 and will be done via
GGE retail partner Gene Solar Electric P/L with the cooperation and
involvement of other local Adelaide solar dealers.

Additional commercial buildings controlled by the owners and adjacent to the
MTSC may also be converted to SunBall power potentially taking the total
group installation to about 1.3MW.

More details of this exciting and Australian first project are available in
the news section of the GGE web site.

All the best,
Greg Watson
Green and Gold Energy
Adelaide, South Australia
[phone]
http://www.greenandgoldenergy.com.au
Online SunBall discussion group
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/sunball


Hi JR & Rick (copy sent to SunBall group),

From my research electricity costs (inc tax) in New Mexico about $0.09 /
kWh. As a 4 SunBall system would generate about 3,050kWh annually in New
Mexico that is an annual saving of say $275. Then in add in the New Mexico
Renewable Energy Certificates (Green Tags?) which are geared up 3 to 1 per
solar kWh (in New Mexico) or about $60/MWh based on a Green Tag price of
$20/MWh. This generates an additional annual income of about $185 giving us
an annual income / expenditure reduction of:

$275 - Reduced electricity bill
$185 - Green Tag sales income
-----
$460 annual advantage.

Then if we achieve our target $5,250 for a 4 SunBall installed system you
would get a payback period of 11.4 years without any rebates. Of course any
rebates and/or increased electricity costs would further lower the payback
period.

If your electricity suppliers offers net metering and a Time of Use tariff
with a peak period which matches the SunBall generation profile, you will
further benefit as you can sell SunBall generated kWhs during higher prices
peak periods and buy back much lower priced kWhs during shoulder and off
peak periods.

All the best,
Greg Watson
Green and Gold Energy
Adelaide, South Australia
[phone]
http://www.greenandgoldenergy.com.au
Hi Andy and all the other past and future demo site responders,

I have noted your responses and when the time gets closer I will get in
contact with out.

What I will arrange to install is a single SunBall with a wireless
monitoring electronics package (no AC grid connect) which will link back to
our web site with a 5 minute live updated data feed and sky point picture.

All demo sites will be offered a 4 SunBall AC grid connect system for 25%
off normal retail in return for the use of their home / business. This offer
can be taken up anytime in the 12 months following the official US SunBall
launch. The demo / monitoring SunBall will then be converted into AC grid
connect (one of the 4 units on offer) with the wireless monitoring
capability retained for the life of the SunBall.

Basically you will get the monitoring SunBall unit for nothing provided you
agree to the continual monitoring.

All the best,
Greg Watson
Green and Gold Energy
Adelaide, South Australia
[phone]
http://www.greenandgoldenergy.com.au
Online SunBall discussion group
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/sunball

Did it ever happen?
No .....of course not!!!!!

Sigh

Subject: RE: SunCube Fiasco
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 03 Jul 07 - 01:24 AM

energy flux density of starlight Vs Sunlight seems to suggest approx 4 orders of magnitude, it seems to me - that's about 10,000 relative times... or have I made an error somewhere - this is on this page

Subject: RE: SunCube Fiasco
From: Keef
Date: 02 Jul 07 - 07:39 PM

Hi Greg
I'm here to help you, really I am.
How about you save the cost of the 24/7 security guards (lethal force mandatory) and simply take out a patent on your amazing breakthrough technology.
I am prepared to invest my life savings in your marvelous solar farm.
Just to satisfy my accountant's curiosity...could you please provide costing details again of your "below fossil generated Kwhs".
Please include the development cost of the proposed Megawatt static inverter as I am unable to find any of those on Ebay.
Please explain again why your "Toytown Style" solar farm is superior to other well funded and proven solar technologies and in particular solar thermal. The solar thermal plants of course are able to store the heat generated, meaning that they can generate power at night and do not require your amazing "cloud predictive technology"
Hope you are well and not working too hard at saving the planet all by yourself.
Keef

Subject: RE: SunCube Fiasco
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 02 Jul 07 - 09:41 AM

Ok - we have a lot of physicists on this list - what is the energy flux density of starlight Vs Sunlight? How many orders of magnitude?

Subject: RE: SunCube Fiasco
From: GUEST,Hlper
Date: 02 Jul 07 - 08:48 AM

Hi,


I cracked a rib last night laughing my ass off.





H.

Subject: RE: SunCube Fiasco
From: Keef
Date: 02 Jul 07 - 08:06 AM

But wait...there's more...
I can hardly believe my eyes........
Please...stop it Greg....my ribs are hurting!!!


>> To tell you the truth our first 100 MWs or so of SunCubes will be
> installed in solar farms with high security fencing and 24 / 7
> security guards. So even then there will be no units available for
> public viewing.
>>
>> Do you realize what a solar technology that can generate kWhs at
> fossil fuel prices is worth (Trillions of $$) and how many will do
> anything to steal the IP. Not one 3J CPV manufacturer sells units to
> the public. Guess why? Well maybe one (Practical Instruments) but
> what they have is nothing special and their $ / kWh are still well
> above fossil wholesale.
>>
>> So my refusal to go public is just solid business practice
> designed to protect GGE IP against those who have sworn to steal it
> and put GGE out of business.
>>
>> Soon you will be able to buy SunCubes in our solar farms well
> before you can get them on your roof. BTW once our solar farms are
> up and running we will lobby governments worldwide to discontinue
> their rebate and feed-in tariff programs as they are they a waste of
> tax payer money. Sure this will destroy the flat panel industry but
> they have lived on tax payer handouts for far too long.
>>
>> Greg
>>

Subject: RE: SunCube Fiasco
From: Keef
Date: 02 Jul 07 - 07:51 AM

The man is a GENIUS...just look at what else he has invented!
Wait for it....A ROTARY OVERUNITY DEVICE
Well I guess a 100% efficient starlight powered Suncube would be a walk in the park after that!


Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 08:15:26 +0930
From: Greg Watson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [e-mail], [EMAIL PROTECTED],
[EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Simple Rotary Ou Device

Hi All,

Just a short note to try to answer those questions I can.


1) There is NO outside power source.

2) The device contains only ceramic magnet and
ferromagnetic materials (some balsa, a few
bearings and some plactic "U" channel as well).

3) The device produces rotary torque. Can be
stopped with very little pressure from two
fingers on a steel 4mm shaft.

4) The device has been moved to the middle of
my lounge and my back garden. It still works.

5) The device will not auto start. However the
energy necessary to start is only that required
to overcome friction.

6) I don't think the device is worthy of a Nobel
or my picture on Business Week. I know of several
other devices (Finstrud, Gary, Kawai,Bob Shannon's
Barkenhausen Effect Battery and many US patents)
which show magnetic devices can do work. For
some strange reason, we seem to "Not want to
believe" or maybe just want to believe in our
own area of research as the "One true path".

7) I have posted enough details and ideas for
those of you who REALLY want to duplicate the
device to do so. Read my postings.

8) Much work still remains to be able to light
a 1 watt bulb. When I can do that, I will make
available through Stephan's and Bill's OU web
sites a Mpeg of the device working. If I can't
light a bulb, it will still make a nice toy and
maybe a starting place for someone else.

9) The magnets don't appear to be getting weaker
or colder, but then I am not generating much
power yet.

10) I still call the effect DNMEC (Direct Nuclear
Magnetic Energy Conversion). Like my flux gate
DNMEC effect, both these effects revolve around
ferromagnetic and magnet interactions. I believe
the Kawai motor is another variation of the DNMEC
effect (like the Rod & Coil we discussed earlier).

Come on guys (and gals), start thinking outside
of the square. There is always more than one way
to crack eggs.

Stop talking .............. BUILD SOMETHING!!!!!!!!!

--
Best Regards    Greg Watson Consulting    [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Greg Watson    Adelaide, S. Australia    61 8 8270 2737 Home/Office/Fax

Crack Eggs?
I think it's his brain that's cracked....will the fun never end!

Subject: RE: SunCube Fiasco
From: GUEST,Hlper
Date: 02 Jul 07 - 03:58 AM

Hi Greg,



I must agree with Keef that you have lost your marbles.

(Probably in his own SMOT device)-




H.

Subject: RE: SunCube Fiasco
From: Keef
Date: 02 Jul 07 - 03:17 AM

Oh Golly

Just found another cracker from Pinoccio.

Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 10:51:27 +0930
From: Greg Watson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [e-mail], [EMAIL PROTECTED],
[EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Simple Ou Device Offline

Hi All,

Sorry to say, but my patent attorney has pulled the plug.

By the way, I closed the loop late last night!
It is sort of ramp based. Not much power yet.
It has been running (self powered) for 12 hours
now. Must close now.

I will post again as soon as posible.

To all thouse of you who have built ramps, all I
can say is get three linked ramps working and
then study the second (middle) ramp. Think outside
the square.

--
Best Regards    Greg Watson Consulting    [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Greg Watson    Adelaide, S. Australia    61 8 8270 2737 Home/Office/Fax


HE STILL CAN'T SPELL ENGINEER...BUT HE SAYS HE ARE ONE!

Running for 12 hours...I'd LOVE to see that!

Greg, you are a lying deluded MORON

Subject: RE: SunCube Fiasco
From: Keef
Date: 02 Jul 07 - 02:54 AM

Re Greg's previous form "Free energy etc"
Here is his latest horseshit off the sungrid forum.
perpetual motion lies and horseshit

First he claims to have achieved "overunity"- pseudoscience
Then he proclaims himself as a "naturopath (unqualified)-pseudomedicine
Watson's Pseudo Medicine (snake oil?) guff

Then..he tops it all with his Sunball/Suncube I will save the planet bullshit??
Hey Greg...have you got any Harbour Bridges to sell?

Subject: RE: SunCube Fiasco
From: Keef
Date: 01 Jul 07 - 05:41 PM

SMOT was a scam which Greg has never apologised for and he still claims that it works and is "overunity"
Suncubes have never been proven to work at all, and the power output claims cannot be substantiated.
Suncubes could never be mounted on roofs, appearance would be hideous, roof would require major reinforcement.
Offer of suncubes for sale at $1500 drew in 4000 expressions of interest
but are still unavailable.
Solar farm idea is ridiculous.
Proposed location of solar farms at Roxby Downs in order to supply cheap electricity for the Olympic Dam uranium mine is very offensive to greenies like myself.
Proposed 200 Megawatt solar farms in all states of Australia would require astronomical production capacity.
(660,000 suncubes required for each farm!)
SMOT was a scam
Suncube smells like a scam
Suncube solar farms are HORSESHIT!!!!!!!!

Subject: RE: SunCube Fiasco
From: GUEST,Hlper
Date: 01 Jul 07 - 08:21 AM

Hi Gregory,



O'I completely forgot to mention that a person cannot register a

business name that clashes with a registered TRADE MARK, as like

the SunCube. YOU always stated that the SunCube was trade marked " TM ".

------------------------ stone cold -------------------------------

OOps looks like you falsely claimed a TM trade mark as well- +6months



H.

Subject: RE: SunCube Fiasco
From: GUEST,Hlper
Date: 01 Jul 07 - 08:09 AM

Hi Gregory,


I checked all that out as you mentioned.

The science you did not do along with any research.Papers were released years ago by dedicated researchers about passive cooling of CPV systems involving multi-junction solar cells.

I would say you copied from others as like Solar Tec AG from Germany they started before you did in 2005 and I am sure there are others.Solar Tec AG hold over 100 IP rights already.Solar Tec AG has a SunCube look alike system so take it up with them !

Solar Tec AG of Germany by example again developed their 3j cells over many years, and naturally they knew how they would be used.
So Solar Tec AG and others with many years behind them are the true developers not you.You think others didn't know but they did, you said simply you had a design but you never delivered and your time is up.


h.

Subject: RE: SunCube Fiasco
From: GUEST,Greg Watson, CEO, Green and Gold Energy
Date: 01 Jul 07 - 05:06 AM

Hi Keef,

Photos of both axis Mark 4 and Mark 6 motors are now available in the SunGrid photos section so you can see how the 2 axis drive works.

You should know about the company you keep and their intention in these places. I do assume you are not a party to his attempts to rip me off.

Checkout this business registration
http://www.abr.business.gov.au/(accirtfhxmmpb145azq0ki55)/search.aspx?StartSearch=True&SearchText=27075413759

Anybody know who this is?

Hey here he is:
http://www.hydrogen.asn.au/Australian-Solar-Energy.htm

This is the same guy who begged me to award him the NSW license for the SunCube, ripped off what I gave him under NDA and has emailed me boasting of his plans to put me out of business. Now it is clear he intends to rip off what ever CPV knowledge that he can, including what he learns in this place, make his SunCube clone and trade under the SunCube name.

BTW I never asked him for a cent until he visited GGE in Adelaide and was satisfied that the SunCube did what we claimed. He never visited despite several invitations. He had the opportunity to see for himself firsthand, but decided for what ever reason not to do that and literally overnight started attacking me on every forum he could get access to.

He has even created his own Yahoo forum with one member, him.
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/SunBox/

Recognize the handles sunut07, ineedthemula, svzmrhydrogen, etc. All the same guy.

Greg

Subject: RE: SunCube Fiasco
From: GUEST
Date: 01 Jul 07 - 12:58 AM

Hi Keef,

The Azimuth (left - right) motor is mounted in the base. The altitude (up / down) motor is mounted inside the SunCube. The motors drive for 1 - 2 seconds every 8 minutes. They draw less than 1 watt when running and are powered by the 300 W output of the SunCube.

Lots of never before released SunCube photos on the SunGrid site:
http://tech.ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/SunGrid/photos/browse/7182

As for SunCube sales how do you know for a FACT that there have been no sales? You don't work for GGE and your information is incorrect.

Since when do you know anything about building solar farms? Please indicate where you knowledge of building solar farms comes from?

As for being investigated for fraud, what a load of BS. I don't know who you guys are working for in trying to discredit me and the SunCube but it is not working.

I tell you what. Got the balls to tell me who you are so I can sue you in court. We will then let the judge decide your guilt or innocence of libel and slander. I loose and you get rich or I win and you get poor, very poor.

Enjoy your time in fantasy land cause when our legal folks (Minter Ellison) find out who you are, the summons will be presented and I will have my day in court.

Greg

Subject: RE: SunCube Fiasco
From: GUEST,Hlper
Date: 29 Jun 07 - 10:27 PM

Hi all,

Did somebody say Greg Watson of SMOT device(1985).He is still going.

Greg Watson is a fraudster being investigated by the Attorney General's Department of South Australia.

Beware of this moron.

Subject: RE: SunCube Fiasco
From: Keef
Date: 29 Jun 07 - 08:22 PM

What a shame...he has taken down the embarrassing photograph of the lovely MK4 suncube. That is because anyone with a basic knowledge of mechanical or electronic engineering could see that it does not work.
It required a bank of lantern batteries to drive the rotation motor, it had no mechanism for the horizontal axis. It had no output cable to take away the "massive" electrical power output.
Greg...your use of Weasel words
such as Solar Harvest Efficiency and Cloud Predictive Technology
Is just pure bullshit.
Fact..not a single working Suncube has been sold
(Greg does not even have one on his own roof preferring to buy Green Power..giggle)
The proposed Suncube solar farm is wildly impractical.
The costings which Greg had up on his website allowed $600 per Suncube
Nothing at all for the cost of the "Megawatt static inverter"
Nothing at all for transport,installation, maintenance.

I very much doubt if he will come back to dispute any of this.
He must be running short on bullshit.
Well I'm pretty sure that is CHECKMATE
So how about you hand back what's left of the money and go get yourself a real job.
(I'm tempted to use that word which likens someone to the fundamental orifice, but I won't)

La La La La La

Subject: RE: SunCube Fiasco
From: Keef
Date: 28 Jun 07 - 06:06 PM

Yep, I've run several business.

I don't think you have a business, I think you have a scam.
Step 1 Claim to have a working high performance Suncube (fake results)
Step 2 Sell licences to produce roofmounted suncubes
Step 3 since unable to deliver the working design, switch to a mythical    solar farm scheme
Step 4 sell shares in the proposed (mythical) solar farm
Step 5 enjoy the proceeds.

Greg your previous form is well documented on the net.
You may have taken down the evidence of lying on your own forum but you cannot erase the evidence from the other forums that you have bullshitted on.

Anyhow, any comment on the dodgy looking MK4
It doesn't look as though it has a horizontal tilt servo at all.

It is no wonder that your licensees support the solar farms.
They have no other hope of recouping their investment.

Now who is digging a hole for himself Greg?

Subject: RE: SunCube Fiasco
From: GUEST
Date: 28 Jun 07 - 04:45 AM

You just can't leave it alone can you mate? Sucking for information are we? Bored with nothing to do?

Ever run a business Keef? Licenses fees in any business are income from which you deduct costs and what remains is either profit or loss. As for GGE sales being zero, that is an amazing statement to make seeing you do not work for GGE and make it from a knowledge base of zero.

Greg

Subject: RE: SunCube Fiasco
From: Keef
Date: 27 Jun 07 - 11:41 PM

Well he must be having a lie in today!
(lie in...get it?)
Anyway I've got another little question for you Greg

"BTW all GGE staff own a slice of the profit GGE makes. And they didn't pay a cent for the profit share, I gave it to them for their dedication and hard work.

Greg"

So where does the profit come from Greg
To date you have not sold one Suncube nor built one solar farm.
If you regard the license fees paid by the various partners as being profit then it is probably a good thing that you are not a company or corporation. If you were, then you would probably be guilty of trading whilst insolvent.

Dream dream dream
La La La La La
Keef
(Big hug and kisses)

Subject: RE: SunCube Fiasco
From: Keef
Date: 27 Jun 07 - 07:33 PM

Good Morning Greg
I can't spend all day here so just one little question for you today.
In the lovely photograph of your Suncube MK4
Suncube Mk 4

What is the purpose of the pack of lantern batteries at the base of your Suncube. Is it not supposed to work off streetlights or starlight as you have claimed?
If that is a WORKING suncube then it should have some output cables.
Driving a light globe would be nice.
A wattmeter would be nicer.

Keef
(a skeptic and proud of it)

Subject: RE: SunCube Fiasco
From: GUEST
Date: 27 Jun 07 - 04:39 AM

It does work as claimed. You may soon have that purchase opportunity as we are walking with businesses who are interested in the domestic rooftop market. This will let GGE focus on building very large scale SunCube based solar farms. GGE can then feed the retail distributors SunCubes from the larger solar farm focused SunCube production capability that we are building in Adelaide and elsewhere.

BTW the long term output degradation cell warranty provided by Emcore is the same as what you get from a name brand flattie manufacturer. Max 1% loss per year for 25 years.

Greg

Subject: RE: SunCube Fiasco
From: Keef
Date: 27 Jun 07 - 03:50 AM

I'm Bored now.
Make up your own mind folks.

I'd still buy one IF it did what Greg claimed.

I'd just want a solid warranty, from a solid company to go with it.

Subject: RE: SunCube Fiasco
From: GUEST
Date: 27 Jun 07 - 03:39 AM

Hi Keef,

I suggest you look up the term investor:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Investor

"An investor is any party that makes an investment.

However, the term has taken on a specific meaning in finance to describe the particular types of people and companies that regularly purchase equity or debt securities for financial gain in exchange for funding an expanding company. Less frequently the term is applied to parties who purchase real estate, currency, commodity derivatives, personal property, or other assets.

The term implies that a party purchases and holds assets in hopes of achieving capital gain, not as a profession or for short-term income."

As for the Joe Cell incident I suggested to them that if they could not prove their claims, which were well beyond science, of running a car on basically nothing and charging for kits, doing conversions for money, selling books and selling interviews with Joe that they might find themselves in a class action initiated by those that they and others had ripped off. I did not say I would be party to the action nor did I say I would initiate it, so please don't put words in my mouth and try to quote me correctly.

Greg,
who like you runs his business and home from 100% solar energy that I buy from the retail electricity market.

Hey hands up for a quick straw poll.

1)Who buy 100% solar kWhs?
2)Who is really dedicated to reducing CO2 emissions?
3)Who just wants to reduce their electricity bill?

Subject: RE: SunCube Fiasco
From: Keef
Date: 27 Jun 07 - 02:57 AM

Quote 1

"As for investors, lets get this VERY clear. At this point in time there are NONE. It is my money on the table and at risk. If you think a banker will invest several hundred million to finance a 200 MW solar farm without being very sure about the business and the technology well I would like to know the banker."

Quote 2

"there are NO investors (people who have bought shares) in GGE. So you can drop the spin doctoring."

Who is the spin doctor Greg?

ANYONE who has paid you money is an investor. There are obviously no shareholders since you are NOT a publicly listed company.

I am running on very limited solar power here, so I may not be back till tomorrow.

I look forward to continuing this stimulating conversation!

BTW Didn't you threaten a class action against the JoeCell man
because he couldn't or wouldn't prove his device was real?

Subject: RE: SunCube Fiasco
From: GUEST,Greg Watson, CEO, Green and Gold Energy
Date: 27 Jun 07 - 01:16 AM

Hi Keef,

Forgot to add, there are NO investors (people who have bought shares) in GGE. So you can drop the spin doctoring.

You do understand the difference between shareholding equity investors (of which there are none), those who pay license fees, those who place orders and those who finance / purchase completed SunCube solar farms?

BTW all GGE staff own a slice of the profit GGE makes. And they didn't pay a cent for the profit share, I gave it to them for their dedication and hard work.

Greg

Subject: RE: SunCube Fiasco
From: GUEST,Greg Watson, CEO, Green and Gold Energy
Date: 27 Jun 07 - 01:11 AM

If you wish to form a JV to build solar farms, sign our NDA and visit us in Adelaide, they I will show you a SunCube and let you test it. Only when you are happy with what you are buying will I ask you for money.

Sound fair to you?

As for showing the world a SunCube and exposing it to being ripped off, sorry but I'm not interested.

Greg

Subject: RE: SunCube Fiasco
From: Keef
Date: 26 Jun 07 - 11:49 PM

Dream on Greg
When you can show us a REAL product and submit it for REAL testing
then I'll stop expressing my very reasonable doubts.
BTW
why don't you make the sunball archives available again so that we can once more read the false claims of yours, and the many unanswered questions from all the other skeptics, which you refused to answer.
If your inventions are so successful and original...why don't you have any patents.
After all, you did patent the SMOT didn't you, and that one certainly didn't work.
Ditto the Irishman (Steorn?) who claimed to have invented a magnetic perpetual motion device. Wouldn't show anyone how it worked but WOULD accept investors money.
Sound similar Greg?

For the rest of the mudcatters who are perhaps not following this story as passionately as Greg and I
Check out the latest exchanges on the sungrid forum
Sungrid
Have a great day
Keef

Subject: RE: SunCube Fiasco
From: GUEST,Greg Watson, CEO, Green and Gold Energy
Date: 26 Jun 07 - 08:54 PM

Keef, the only here unreality is what you seek to spin. GGE is a real business. The SunCube is real. Emcore is real. ES System is real. The other GGE licensees are real. That GGE is working with others to build very large SunCube solar farms is real.

Maybe I should ask how we build the future it is not by dreams. Dreams that turn into sweat, tears and finally reality. Sure I dream. Of a world where electricity is generated from the Sun with no pollution. At a cost equivalent to what we pay for fossil fuel kWhs. So our economies don't suffer.

AND I work, every day, 12 - 16 hours a day, making one small step at a time until I get.

May I ask what you dream and work to achieve?

Greg

Subject: RE: SunCube Fiasco
From: Keef
Date: 26 Jun 07 - 06:50 PM

Whoopee dooh Greg
So where is the WORKING Suncube that delivers the 711KWhours a year as claimed.
How about even a photograph of a real one.
My balls are much larger than yours...I've seen the photographs on Sungrid..nice outfit BTW.
Yes I do work for the Nuclear industry...I'm the reactor operator....free donuts mmmmmmm.
You may have managed to bullshit Emcore but how about some of your other claims?
Factories in India, China, Korea, Spain etc
Modbury shopping centre powered by Sun balls,
1200sqM manufacturing plant
660,0000 Suncubes in the desert.....
Dream on Greg

Subject: RE: SunCube Fiasco
From: GUEST
Date: 26 Jun 07 - 12:11 AM

Hi Keef,

Here is the signed letter given to GGE by Emcore:

http://www.greenandgoldenergy.com.au/Documents/EmcoreGGE.pdf

Like I said if you think it is false call Emcore and report back here what he tells you. Got the balls mate?

But I suggest you are not interested in the truth and have some other reason to try to discredit the first solar generator that can deliver kWhs at fossil fuel price. Work for the fossil fuel / nuclear industry do we Keef?

By the way what is you real name or do you like to hide and attack from behind some internet mask? Our legal team are eager to get in touch with you.

Greg Watson
CEO
Green and Gold Energy

Who is passing all your comments onto our legal team, so please keep talking and digging a bigger hole for yourself.

Subject: RE: SunCube Fiasco
From: Keef
Date: 25 Jun 07 - 06:51 PM

Foolestroupe.....He has taken down the Sunball forum because it contains the record of several years worth of false claims, missed deadlines and questions ignored.
You can go to
sungrid
which is an alternative group for frustrated Suncube enthusiasts
Best to start at the beginning of posts...it's a ripping yarn!

Now a word to Greg
Greg...why do you call yourself CEO
CEO of what?

Now to the Korean partner crapola

Press Release
21 March 2007
It is with pride that South Australian renewable energy company Green and Gold Energy (GGE)
announces the first contract for our advanced technology SunCube Solar Appliance ultra high efficiency
solar cell assembly.
ES System Co., Ltd. of Korea (ESS), already a GGE SunCube Solar Appliance manufacturing license
holder, has entered a agreement to purchase at least 500 MWs of the GGE designed and developed
SunCube Solar Appliance ultra high efficiency solar cell assembly. The ultra high efficiency cell
assembles will be delivered over the 10 years of their exclusive Korean manufacturing and distribution
license agreement.
GGE has been working on the design and development of the SunCube Solar Appliance for the many
years. Additionally GGE will expand its Adelaide SunCube manufacturing facility to 30 MW per year
service the Australian market. This will include the construction of GGE owned and operated solar farms
which can be built to provide very significant daytime base load capacity to reduce the need for either
new fossil fuel or nuclear base load power stations. SunCube solar farms can be built much quicker than
either "Clean Coal" or nuclear facilities and at a lower cost.
The SunCube Solar Appliance is a powerful tool that cost effectively fights Climate Change by lowering
CO2 emissions from power stations, lowering electricity costs and providing an alternative to costly
investment in peak electricity infrastructure.
Finally there is a tool to fight Climate Change and reduce CO2 emissions while reducing costs to home
owners and industry and creating jobs.
The SunCube Solar Appliance is the first solar PV technology that can deliver kWhs from the home or
business rooftop at less cost than if the kWhs were bought from the grid without needing tax payer funded
rebates to achieve this below grid cost.
Additionally as the SunCube Solar Appliance tracks the sun and feeds power back into the grid, it can,
unlike flat plate technology, contribute very significantly to reducing the peak loading that occurs on the
electricity grid during hot summer afternoons.

Blah Blah dodgy email address etc etc.

So...here is the email reply from Mr Park


Hi,



This is a recent reply from Mr James Park


"
Who are you ?
I am doing very well and I know what I invested and what I ordered
from him.If there are something wrong or if Mr. Watson cheated you.
Show me the evidence or
Please stop sending me this kind of email.
"



.......................................................

So either Mr Park is genuine...and therefore he HAS invested money in this scam..whoops business venture
OR
The Korean partner letter is another fraud.

So Greg...get used to it...I will follow you all over the net and warn everyone to keep their money safely in their pocket.
Of course if you can produce a working Suncube and prove that it does all the things you claim for it, then I will have to eat my hat (yech!)

Some more free advice Greg...pack a toothbrush
And a tube of KY jelly.
You're going to need it where you're going

Subject: RE: SunCube Fiasco
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 25 Jun 07 - 09:48 AM

I have now left the related Yahoo groups list - I prefer to read the messages on the web sites normally, being on so many hundreds of lists, I don't want to get swamped with emails, preferring to only read stuff on a list when I want to...

Now all the archived history mails have been refused access to normal members, the only way you can read any messages is by email.

Subject: RE: SunCube Fiasco
From: Keef
Date: 25 Jun 07 - 07:20 AM

Check his previous form

smot scam

Subject: RE: SunCube Fiasco
From: GUEST,RossW
Date: 25 Jun 07 - 06:36 AM

Greg.... some ripoff distributor does not appeal.

Some lowlife who will no doubt ONLY want to sell it as part of a $40K package, and charge me a million bucks to travel to my site to install it is of no interest to me.

If you'd been upfront with me I wouldn't be so pissed at you. At the moment, I feel quite betrayed, that you knowingly and willingly lied to me, misrepresented the product, yourself and your companies intentions.

Not taking my calls, not returning my emails, not living up to your promise all make you a pretty darn shabby operator.

Amazing you can reply to an anonymous posting in an obscure blog in a matter of hours, but can't return any one of 6 or so phone calls, can't reply to any of I don't know HOW many emails over 2 years.....

How about just living up to your *PERSONAL UNDERTAKING* to me over a year ago, and selling me two of the darn things. I don't want the inverters. I don't need installation. I don't want much of anything really.... except to burn a whole lot LESS propane than I currently am.

Like I said, palm off your old prototypes on me. The ones where the fancy paint didn't work. I don't much mind - but I *DO* want to stop burning gas to make electricity when I can use an environmentally friendly solution.

Subject: RE: SunCube Fiasco
From: Keef
Date: 25 Jun 07 - 05:54 AM

Yeah right
Not signed, full of typos, and in a different font to the official Emcore letterhead.

la la la la la!

Subject: RE: SunCube Fiasco
From: GUEST,Greg Watson
Date: 25 Jun 07 - 04:30 AM

Ross,

As per the web site GGE are not engaging in retail sales. We build solar farms. We are however discussing retail distribution with several interested parties.

Keff,

As for the letter, it is very real. It was pulled from the web site at Emcore's request due to the typos and the fact that David Danzilio had not signed it.

Did you actually call David or get an email reply from him? If so what did he say? If not, please do call / email David and report back here what he says to you.

Greg

Subject: RE: SunCube Fiasco
From: GUEST,RossW
Date: 25 Jun 07 - 02:02 AM

Very funny, guys.

I've spoken to the (infamous) greg several times. He's promised the earth, assured me that not withstanding his (recent) backflip and desire to "only" do this central station thing. I explained to him in great detail that I am unable to connect to the grid, have PV and wind power at the moment (plus the primary source - the genset) and he was all committed to let me get a couple of units. Discussed mounting them etc (I live underground, so no problems with a concrete pipe to put them on!).

Waited the 4 weeks he wanted, and then started calling him every few days. Suddenly "he" isn't there, or is in meetings, and his underlings are unable or unwilling to help. Keep referring to greg and saying he says he simply is NOT providing them, PERIOD except into this farm.

Greg, if you're getting these messages, understand you are doing yourself a GREAT INJUSTICE. We're telling everyone we know what a shonky conjob this is, and they're abandoning their previous intention to buy...

Subject: RE: SunCube Fiasco
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 24 Jun 07 - 11:11 PM

Sunball on ABC New Inventors TV Show

SLIVER solar technology & Suncube mentions

Subject: RE: SunCube Fiasco
From: Keef
Date: 24 Jun 07 - 06:45 PM

Sorry to keep going on about this...BUT...I just stumbled across this press release by Pinoccio...
more lies

Here is a quote from the article
"The development of the project was strengthened by securing $100,000 from a private investor, which helped us commercialise the SunCube," said Greg, who previously worked as an energy consultant to the power industry"

Now for a real giggle, have a look at the photo of the supposed production model Suncube.
Applying simple geometry imagine how this wood look on a pitched roof.
Leaving aside the optional "Black and Decker Workmate"
you would need to mount the Suncube on a pole at least 500mm high to allow the device to tilt and rotate.
And yet Greg claims much improved appearance over "flatties"
Notice also the remarkable "cordless design"
In all of the photographs that Greg has released of the Sunballs and SunPubes there is not a single one that has any output wires.

HOOLEY BLOODY DOOLEY

Can he tell porkies or what?

Subject: RE: SunCube Fiasco
From: Keef
Date: 23 Jun 07 - 06:51 PM

Previous form of Mr CEO Watson

Here is a quote from an aggrieved purchaser of his "overunity device"

I'm (almost entirely) convinced that
he thinks SMOT could eventually work... so he takes the expedient of
telling us that SMOT has already succeeded. But if true, this is enormous
news, and we should all stop what we're doing and look at his videos and
photos, question his eyewitnesses on the phone, ask for new videos of
particular details of the machine in operation, even perhaps call in the
press, pay for him to get a better camera and software, hire a local
vortex staff member as an eyewitness and alternate opinion besides Greg,
install web-connected instrumentation to observe the amazing event, etc.

None of this can happen because there isn't even a single photo of the
successful device, much less a video, much less a second person of whom we
can ask questions. That's just so incredibly weird, it's unbelievable.
Many other aspects are just as weird and inexplicable. But everything is
completely explained by one simple method: if we imagine that Greg lied
when he claimed success, then it all makes perfect sense, and all of his
future actions are totally predictable.



A person who is not after money can still be a con artist. If they
create a web of lies, yet act friendly while lying right to your face...
then they're winning your confidence and using it to manipulate you.
There's no monetary ripoff, yet that's the very definition of "confidence
trickster" or "con game."   If the SMOT can never work, then it's a very
slimy ploy which wastes the time of hundreds of people and only because
they all were lied to.

The Suncube deception is in the same category.
It is even more disgraceful because of the hypocrisy involved...just trying to save the planet etc etc.

Subject: RE: SunCube Fiasco
From: Keef
Date: 22 Jun 07 - 08:24 PM

"As for investors, lets get this VERY clear. At this point in time there are NONE. It is my money on the table and at risk. If you think a banker will invest several hundred million to finance a 200 MW solar farm without being very sure about the business and the technology well I would like to know the banker."

But Greg
What about the factories in Korea, India, etc etc
And who exactly WILL pay for the sunpube solar farms.
You are of course correct...the banks will not give you the money


What a tangled web we weave!

What a bloody idiot!

Subject: RE: SunCube Fiasco
From: Keef
Date: 22 Jun 07 - 08:15 PM

Keef's Suncube Demolition Job

Subject: RE: SunCube Fiasco
From: Keef
Date: 22 Jun 07 - 07:57 PM

Well I finally got the attention of Greg Watson CEO Green and Gold Energy etc. (sounds pretty impressive but it is not a registered company just a small trader).
Interesting thing is I did send Emcore a copy of the famous Danzillio letter because it looked very dodgy.
The letter was taken down from The Green and Gold website within 24 hours.
Not to worry
Here is the text

EMCORE PhotoVoltaics David Danzilio
Vice President
General Manager
10420 Research Rd. SE
Albuquerque, NM 87122
Tel: [phone]
Fax: [phone]
Email: [e-mail]
Web: www.emcore.com
June 12, 2007
To Whom It May Concern:
EMCORE Photovoltaics Division has entered into a strategic supply agreement with Green and
Gold Energy of Adelaide, Australia to the uninterrupted supply of multi-junction solar cells
designed for use in the Green and Gold Sun Cube solar power system. As the largest
manufacturer if multi-junction solar cells to the concentrating PV industry, EMCORE is given
the opportunity to assess the various CPV system approaches being developed worldwide and it
is my assessment that the design of GGE Sun Cube represents a true market advantage in terms
of manufacturing cost, performance and ultimately cost of power delivered to the grid. It is my
opinion that the Green and Gold Sun Cube is in the best position in the CPV industry to enable
large scale (10-50MW) solar farms. To that end, EMCORE has entered into a multi-year
strategic supply agreement and has initiated the capital investment necessary to ensure present
and future solar cell delivery commitments to Green and Gold Energy.
I look forward to a long and rewarding business relationship with Green and Gold Energy.
Sincerely,
David Danzilio
Vice President and General Manager
EMCORE Photovoltaics
10420 Research Road
Albuquerque, NM 87123
Phone: [phone]
Email: [e-mail]


Now judge for yourselves folks
Does the vice president of a multi million dollar corporation have a secretary that has bad grammar and poor typing skills.
Does a major corporation send out To Whom It May Concern letters!
Is Greg a pathological liar?
You be the judge.
For more information go to
Pinoccio on steroids

Subject: RE: SunCube Fiasco
From: rangeroger
Date: 14 Jun 07 - 12:41 AM

Methinks thou doth protest too much.
rr

Subject: RE: SunCube Fiasco
From: GUEST,Bunnhabhain
Date: 13 Jun 07 - 05:23 PM

OK, I though some of the political posters had a tenuous grip on reality, but this goes an order of magnitude better...

Subject: RE: SunCube Fiasco
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 13 Jun 07 - 10:08 AM

Do the pigs fly too?

Subject: RE: SunCube Fiasco
From: GUEST,Greg Watson, CEO, Green and Gold Energy
Date: 12 Jun 07 - 10:12 AM

So Keef you may still get your SunCubes despite the trashing job you have tried to do on me, GGE and the SunCube.

Why you didn't just give me a few months to get another distribution channel in place amazes me. You think GGE would really walk away from 3,500 registered expressions of interest? I never said that SunCubes would NOT be available to the general market, just that GGE would not be selling SunCubes to the general market. Understand?

As for investors, lets get this VERY clear. At this point in time there are NONE. It is my money on the table and at risk. If you think a banker will invest several hundred million to finance a 200 MW solar farm without being very sure about the business and the technology well I would like to know the banker.

So chill out man, what you want will happen.

All the best,
Greg Watson, CEO
Green and Gold Energy
www.greenandgoldenergy.com.au
[phone]

Subject: RE: SunCube Fiasco
From: GUEST,Greg Watson, CEO, Green and Gold Energy
Date: 12 Jun 07 - 09:58 AM

Keef,

I suggest instead of spreading your version of reality, you refer people to what Emcore thinks a about the SunCube and GGE:

http://www.greenandgoldenergy.com.au/Documents/DanzilioLetterGGE.pdf

BTW GGE is talking to several interested parties who wish to distribute SunCubes to off grid users as our focus is on building 200 MW solar farms and not distribution.

All the best,
Greg Watson, CEO
Green and Gold Energy
www.greenandgoldenergy.com.au
[phone]

Subject: RE: SunCube Fiasco
From: Keef
Date: 04 Jun 07 - 06:58 PM

Congratulations...you are the million dollar prizewinner.
Please send handling fee (only $100,000)
To
Keef
(your money is safe with me promise)

Subject: RE: SunCube Fiasco
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 04 Jun 07 - 06:53 PM

Eat your heart out Nigerian scammers. Australia rules OK.

Subject: RE: SunCube Fiasco
From: Keef
Date: 04 Jun 07 - 06:38 PM

Well..it's a sunpube to me. That's because it is a load of BALLS.
Vapourware
Can't be done.

Check out his other famous invention

SMOT ...Simple Minded "Overunity" Tosh

A search of Google groups will reveal a multitude of wild exaggerations and broken promises. He attempted to bring a class action against another "inventor" who would not provide evidence of a working example.

Yes he is the new inventors genius.
Please feel free to spread this information as far as you like.
This is a con that has already sucked in "distributors" for a non existent product.
Keef
(I'm rooley cranky, grrrrr, remember when I raved on about how good this idea was?)

Subject: RE: SunCube Fiasco
From: frogprince
Date: 04 Jun 07 - 08:58 AM

Are you sure it's a suncube? Twice in the linked article, it says sunpube, which sounds really intriguing...

Subject: RE: SunCube Fiasco
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 04 Jun 07 - 08:55 AM

Is this the gagdget that was shown on the ABC New Inventor's program?

Subject: RE: SunCube Fiasco
From: Keef
Date: 04 Jun 07 - 02:05 AM

Well here is the link.

Sunball Fiasco

What has happened is that Greg Watson has been making wild claims for the performance, price, and delivery time of his supposedly planet saving invention.
Whenever asked to produce evidence of even one single working sample to prove its existence he has responded with yet more BS.
Why do I care?
Well I had my order in for one, that's embarrassing.
After promising delivery any day now for the last 2 years, he has now done a backflip and will not sell any products to the customers but wants investors to stump up squillions of dollars for an imaginary solar farm that would...wait for it....provide cheap power to Roxby Downs uranium mine!
Yeah...that makes perfect sense.

I also know that many investors have lost money and that he is still trying to dupe anyone else silly enough to believe the hype.

Must go and start my generator...not enough solar power today!

See Ya
Keef

Subject: RE: SunCube Fiasco
From: wysiwyg
Date: 03 Jun 07 - 09:46 AM

Didn't get a clear enough trail via Google to know quite what you're on about. I did however enjoy this line of prose that came up in the search:

Residents of the sleepy outback town of Woomera were awakened this
morning by the sound of huge numbers of low flying pigs. Car
windscreens were splattered with green manure and mounds of steaming
dung was piled metres deep over a vast area.

May use that one myself sometime.


Sympathies though-- anytime anything turns to shite that can't be good news.

~Susan

Subject: SunCube Fiasco
From: Keef
Date: 03 Jun 07 - 03:42 AM

Well...I have been hanging out for a Suncube.
Unfortunately...it has all turned to shite.
Just google sunball keef to find out all about it
Peace to all
Keef