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Subject: Art's Photos From: DebC Date: 03 Jun 07 - 11:43 AM Wow!!! I have just spent the last 45 minutes looking at 200 of the 583 photos that Art has posted on his site. I could probably have spent the rest of the day viewing the rest. But I know I stopped at 200 and will continue on at another time. Having spent my turbulent adolescence in and around Chicago in the early 1970s, many of these photos bring back some great memories. Chicago was an amazing place to be teenager just discovering folk music back then. Unfortunately, I couldn't take advantage of all that was offered as I was grossly underage and had a curfew imposed upon me. That didn't prevent me from sneaking out occasionally and attempting (and most times succeeding) in gaining entrance to the Quiet Knight, Earl of Old Town, etc. Thank you, thank you, thank you Art, for these wonderful photos and to Bruce for setting this site up for Art. Deb Cowan |
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Subject: RE: Art's Photos From: Big Mick Date: 03 Jun 07 - 02:52 PM Yep, Deb, pretty amazin', huh? Art used to send them out to a bunch of us a little at a time until Bruce finally set up the website. Did you see the one of Sandy Paton backstage with an adoring, scantily clad, admirer? I laugh everytime I see it. These pic's are a national treasure. Folks need to do what you did, but beware. You will spend time you didn't count on. All the best, Mick |
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Subject: RE: Art's Photos From: Don Firth Date: 03 Jun 07 - 03:20 PM Link? URL? Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: Art's Photos From: Stewart Date: 03 Jun 07 - 03:39 PM Try this Don. Cheers, S. in Seattle |
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Subject: RE: Art's Photos From: Don Firth Date: 03 Jun 07 - 04:22 PM Thanks a million, Stewart! And thanks to Art! I've just gone through a whole bunch of the photos. Spotted a lot of people I've heard and heard of, but have never seen. And I saw a few old friends I haven't seen for some time! This is gonna take awhile! Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: Art's Photos From: Jerry Rasmussen Date: 03 Jun 07 - 05:00 PM Addictive is what it are. Congratulations, Art! What a treat! Jerry |
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Subject: RE: Art's Photos From: GUEST,Art Thieme Date: 04 Jun 07 - 12:02 PM Deb, and others, Thanks! I'm glad these have some meaning for those who were there. If you see the word "more" with a thumbnail photo, I've put some further info there too--so click on the thumbnail photo and the info will appear below the enlarged photo. It was grand to get a spot from which these could be showcased. The www is magic to me---a way I can see some of what will be coming along after the fact of my own life. Thanks again -- to Bruce Kallick, and all. Art (P.S.--Clay Eals used 20-plus of these photos in his new biography called STEVE GOODMAN-FACING THE MUSIC.--A fine read.) |
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Subject: RE: Art's Photos From: katlaughing Date: 04 Jun 07 - 12:06 PM What "Mister Modesty" hasn't told you all is that the Smithsonian has requested the privilege of housing the original collection! Click HERE to read more about it. |
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Subject: RE: Art's Photos From: Uncle Phil Date: 05 Jun 07 - 01:22 AM By all means do read the descriptions – great stuff. I read the description of the photo of John Hartford, in overalls, grinning up from the deck of the Julia Belle Swain, and found out that her steam engine came from the ferry City of Baton Rouge and that ferry itself is still used as a wharf boat. This was fascinating information to me because I frequently rode the City of Baton Rouge while growing up in Baton Rouge, especially one summer when I worked across the river in Port Allen. And in those days, before universal air conditioning, the ferry was a great place to end a date. You paid your dime or whatever and you could ride back and forth all night. Chugging along in the cool breeze with the moon reflecting off the water just might turn a southern girl's mind to… but I digress. What I meant to say was thanks to Art for letting me know what became of that part of my history, and for all the other pictures and descriptions. By the way, the City of Baton Rouge had a sister ship, the Louisiana. During the day they were always crossing the river in opposite directions, passing in mid-river. I wonder what ever became of her? The last night I lived in Baton Rouge I rode the Louisiana back and forth with a girl named Virginia. I wonder what ever become of her? - Phil |
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Subject: RE: Art's Photos From: GUEST,Art Thieme Date: 05 Jun 07 - 01:08 PM Phil, That's pretty amazing! The City Of Baton Rouge is STILL the warfboat for the riverboat TWILIGHT operating out of Leclaire, Iowa--where Interstate 80 crosses the Mississippi River. When I was singing on the Twilight (from 1986 to '96) the crews, when not working, stayed/slept on the City Of Baton Rouge. I also sang on the steamboat Julia Belle Swain from 1986 to 1993. The JBS was then sold to Bob Gehagen (1993 or '94) -- mainly because the advent of gambling on the river spelled the death knell for many wonderful excursion boats that did not have, or want to have, gambling. It was a sad time for John Hartford and me and many others who hated to see that grand steamboat have to be sold by Capt. Dennis Trone---the man who designed and built both vessels. Lower ridership made it necessary though. But, the more things change, the more they get different! You can still ride on the Julia Belle Swain! It operates out of LaCrosse, Wisconsin. The riverboat Twilight is now owned by Captain Kevin Stier and makes wonderful 2-day excursion trips out of Le Clair, Iowa. For all I've heard, the passengers have all come back--now that they realize that the gambling boats rarely ever leave the shore! The old City Of Baton Rouge is a bit worse for wear--to say the least----but it is still used as a boarding vessel warfboat for the Twilight. ----- ------Maybe I ought to ask Bruce Kallick to put some of my river years photos up on the website too. We hshall see what he feels about that possibility... All the best, Art |
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Subject: RE: Art's Photos From: katlaughing Date: 05 Jun 07 - 01:16 PM I love the video you sent me of the Julia Belle Swain, Art. Would love to ride her sometime. |
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Subject: RE: Art's Photos From: Uncle Phil Date: 06 Jun 07 - 09:12 AM Art - I used the information in your post to find some photos of the City of Baton Rouge on the www last night. It was good to see her again, but she looked odd to me without pilot house or stacks. I really need to take Michelle on a moonlight river cruise and see if the old magic still works. Our daughter worked on the Becky Thatcher in Marietta, Ohio. We drove for two days from the black-soil plains of North Texas to Marietta to see the last performance of a revue that she produced. When we got there I was crushed to find out that the Becky Thatcher's engines were gone and we were going to spend the weekend tied to the dock. We took a very nice ride through the locks on the Muskingum on an excursion boat, but is wasn't the same as being on the big river at night. - Phil |
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Subject: RE: Art's Photos From: GUEST,Art Thieme Date: 06 Jun 07 - 02:35 PM Phil, Yes, a storm (tornado I think) took the pilot house and the stacks. Our son, Chris, was working on the Julia Belle Swain for his summer job while in college. He had a vivid dream one night --while sleeping on the C.B.R.--that he saw the City Of Baton Rouge with pilot house and stacks restored. He'd never seen a photo of the boat from the old days, but when he finally got to see one, the details were EXACT. She was a double hulled "center-wheeler" if I remember right. Being a ferry, and just going back and forth, the center-wheel (between the two hulls) was a practical design pretty much. All the best, Art |
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Subject: RE: Art's Photos From: Uncle Phil Date: 06 Jun 07 - 10:13 PM Art - Exactly right. Genius design for a ferry when you think about it -- leaves both ends and both sides free to snuggle into a landing many times a day, and a steam engine rotating a paddle wheel is just as efficient going in either direction. The City of Baton Rouge, however, loaded from the side and turned after leaving the dock to cross the river bow first. The one picture I found, on the Twilight web site, shows her with one side against the dock. In Baton Rouge she'd have had her bow to the levee and would be loading cars from a pier sticking out into the river. Regards to Chris. Tell him I used to sleep on the C.B.R., too. When I was commuting she was good for a 20 or 30 minute nap each way. We've been chatting about her stacks, but as I recall she only had one. It was right in the middle just behind the pilot house. - Phil The City of Baton Rouge from the Twilight web site |
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Subject: RE: Art's Photos From: Rapparee Date: 06 Jun 07 - 10:52 PM Dadgum it, Art! You better git them pictures of The River up there! Ain't but One River, and that's the Mississippi, and especially the Upper River. Heck man, that's where I |
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Subject: RE: Art's Photos From: Uncle Phil Date: 07 Jun 07 - 12:26 AM You said a mouthful there, brother. Away down South where I grew up rivers is the most surplus thing we got. We got the Amite River and the Comite River, we got the Red River and the Black River, we got the Cane River and False River and Old River even though none of them goes nowhere, we got the Tangipahoa River and the Atchafalaya River and the Calcasieu River and we can spell and pronounce 'em all, we got the Tchefuncte River but none of us can spell or pronounce that, we got the Tickfaw River where I used to go camping with the Boy Scouts, we got the Ouachita River that I lived next to for a couple years, we got the Sabine River and the Pearl River to separate Louisiana from Texas and Mississippi, we've got the Abita River and you know that's gotta have something to do with Abita Beer… However, when you said "The River" everyone knew what you're talking about and no one ever, ever called it the Mississippi River. Scanning back through the thread I see that the only one who called it the Mississippi River was Art, but then again he's from Chicago. - Phil |
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Subject: RE: Art's Photos From: GUEST,Art Thieme Date: 08 Jun 07 - 03:21 AM Peru, Illinois where I live now is on the Illinois River---a major working tributary of the Mississippi (River ;-) Bruce K. has said he'll put some of my River Years photos up on his Art's Place photo site. So when I can get to the post office, those will be going to him on a CD. The Mississippi, the Illinois, the Sangamon, and the Ohio are represented. The junction of the Ohio and the Mississippi at Cairo, IL is amazing in that the Ohio River is the picture of clarity. The Mississippi is, visually and obviously, very much muddier. The two rivers seem to resist blending. So, watch for these new ones. Art |
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Subject: RE: Art's Photos From: GUEST,Art Thieme Date: 08 Jun 07 - 10:49 AM Phil, In the photo of the City Of Baton Rouge that you linked to from the Twilight website, the C.B.R. has the port side to the Iowa shore at LeClaire. The Twilight itself is secured to her starboard side. The Illinois shore is about a mile further east. Art |
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Subject: RE: Art's Photos From: Uncle Phil Date: 09 Jun 07 - 09:24 AM Art - Please let us know when the river years photos are posted; I'd like to see them. As I remember there was a gate on the starboard side of the C.B.R. to load cars on the Baton Rouge side of the river. Past that, memory fails after 40 years. I don't remember if there was a similar gate on the port side or if the car ramps were part of the dock or part of the boat. Logic says that there was also a gate of the port side that was used on the Port Allen side of the river so the cars on the foredeck wouldn't have to unload in reverse, but I really don't remember. The rest of the cars simply drove in a circle around the superstructure. Us walkons paid our fare at a shack on the dock, then climbed to the passenger deck past racks full of puffy, mildewed, bright orange life preservers. - Phil The logic was worked out by building a model on an airline tray-table out of coke cans, pretzel bags, etc as other passengers slowly backed away and several flight attendents looked on warily. |
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Subject: RE: Art's Photos From: GUEST,Art Thieme Date: 11 Jun 07 - 09:10 PM It will be a while. We don't drive now and getting to the post office isn't easy in de shape we be in these days. But the photos are ready to go out to Bruce. Medical crap rears it's ugly head. Art |
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Subject: RE: Art's Photos From: Uncle Phil Date: 11 Jun 07 - 09:53 PM No worries. Sorry about the medical crap, but we'll wait as long as we have to, then count ourselves lucky when we do get to see your river photos. - Phil |
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Subject: RE: Art's Photos From: Uncle Phil Date: 28 Jun 07 - 09:03 AM Here are some pictures of the City of Baton Rouge that I found on the WWW. Some antique memories were better than others, but it still was good to see her again. - Phil http://www.geocities.com/Phil_Doubleu/CBR/ |
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Subject: RE: Art's Photos From: GUEST,Art Thieme Date: 28 Jun 07 - 10:28 PM Phil---A gallery of 230 plus of my River Years Photos can now be seen at the website http://rudegnu.com/art_thieme.html There is a new thread giving the particulars. Seeing those again has me wishing I was there and still singing on the riverboats!! Art |
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