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Subject: RE: Old English songs at Google Book Search From: Bill D Date: 11 Jun 07 - 10:23 AM Thank you both....an excellent list. I will trace this thread and go browsing. |
Subject: RE: Old English songs at Google Book Search From: Jim McLean Date: 11 Jun 07 - 11:26 AM A wee pedantic point: Motherwell's Minstrelsie should be in the Scottish section otherwise thanks for pointing mr to this Google site. |
Subject: RE: Old English songs at Google Book Search From: Malcolm Douglas Date: 11 Jun 07 - 07:56 PM So should Peter Buchan's book, really. Note that Google is aiming primarily at American users, and access to many of the out-of-copyright texts listed above (including, for heaven's sake, at least one digitized by the University of Oxford) is not available to people in the UK or Canada, and doubtless other countries. |
Subject: RE: Old English songs at Google Book Search From: Bill D Date: 12 Jun 07 - 12:19 PM Perhaps inconsistencies like this will lead to some re-evaluation of copyright restrictions in various countries. Google's making these things available, even to primarily the USA, will inevitably lead to other's getting access, even in roundabout ways...as we are proving. I'll do what I can when someone has a problem. |
Subject: RE: Old English songs at Google Book Search From: Malcolm Douglas Date: 12 Jun 07 - 09:02 PM As you already have; for which, thanks. The problem isn't so much copyright restrictions in countries outside the USA as Googles's apparent inability, or unwillingness, to do a few simple checks. In effect, they are making available in America (and presumably other, selected countries) UK material which is out of copyright in the UK, while deliberately withholding it from people in the UK; even when they have obtained that material from UK institutions. The same problem applies to books cited in the Scottish and Irish threads. So far we don't know whether or not Irish out-of-copyright material is being withheld from users based in the Irish Republic, but it seems likely if Google are consistent in their imposition of restrictions based upon wilful ignorance. |
Subject: RE: Old English songs at Google Book Search From: Stilly River Sage Date: 13 Jun 07 - 12:24 AM So you can't open these links in the UK, Malcolm? Any way you can use a Proxy Server and bypass the restrictions? |
Subject: RE: Old English songs at Google Book Search From: Bill D Date: 13 Jun 07 - 10:38 AM I've just been doing some research, assuming that this controversy is being looked at by many people, and am getting the beginnings of some understanding. I began with this search I read this story about The Bodleian and Google's relationship with them and other 'sources', and it's obvious the project has a LONG way to go, both in scope and legal wrangling. Take a look here http://www.medievalgenealogy.org.uk/google.shtml as these folks analyze the situation.....and note down the page that they suggest a solution much as SRS comments on. Evidently, Google is being cautious with copyright laws in various countries, while continuing to acquire the scans as fast as possible. At the very least, we will have more information about where to find information, as well as a gradual increase in direct access. |
Subject: RE: Old English songs at Google Book Search From: Bill D Date: 13 Jun 07 - 10:46 AM By the way...I intentionally am circumspect about SRS 'solution', not to be coy about how to find a book, but to delay some of the more awkward ramifications for Mudcat if certain folks find easy ways to bypass non-member restrictions. I doubt that lots of them are reading this thread. I may ask that THIS thread/message be edited later. The 'p' word could be a problem. |
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