BS: Mixed signals

Subject: RE: BS: Mixed signals
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 17 Jun 07 - 04:05 AM

I remember one night way down in eastern Maine I was listening to a station in DelRio Texas

That station in Del Rio had (has?) its transmitter across the border in Mexico where there was (is?) no limit on transmitter power, so it used to crank out about nine-umpty gazillion flabblewatt signals. Since it was an AM station at the low end of the band, it could "skip" about half way around the globe on a good night.

I picked it up in Boston fairly regularly in the late '50s and early '60s, but they didn't really crank up the watts until local AM stations elsewhere in the US mostly went off the air, so it was usually around 03:00 in Boston (after midnight in Del Rio) before it started to come in.

John

Subject: RE: BS: Mixed signals
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 17 Jun 07 - 03:46 AM

That's a fair point 282RA - we've been known to pick up the odd stray computer connection from next door - we know it's not ours as we don't speak Urdu. Trouble is, it'll often pick up through a solid brick party wall, but won't pick up in the same room!

LTS

Subject: RE: BS: Mixed signals
From: 282RA
Date: 16 Jun 07 - 11:53 PM

Makes me glad I don't have a wireless connection. Who wants the kid next door looking at everything they're downloaded or viewing?

Subject: RE: BS: Mixed signals
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 16 Jun 07 - 09:26 PM

BTW, I notice that the chain I bought those from doesn't seem to stock much in the way of RF cameras now.

Subject: RE: BS: Mixed signals
From: GUEST,282RA
Date: 16 Jun 07 - 11:58 AM

IOW, these RF cameras pick up any damned thing.

A new technology could spin out of these undesirable effects. I mean, it already seems to me to have some value snooping on people and controlling what they see and hear. It's actually pretty scary. Think what you could do being able to control an effect as replacing one video image with another, or listening in on what people are tuning into. I remember seeing an X-Files episode similar to that. And we're really not that far from it.

Subject: RE: BS: Mixed signals
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 16 Jun 07 - 05:04 AM

I bought two of those RF 'camera and monitor' security thingies - 2 channels, 2 cameras, 2 monitors. The concept was exactly what I needed - 2 cameras in 2 places, and the ability to see either on either monitor in two separate places.

Problem was that both channels on both monitors would pick up only the one camera on both channels (irrespective of any setting set anywhere on cameras or monitors!), depending just on which camera was the physically nearer to either monitor!

Got my money back! 'Not fit for purpose' under Aussie Law! :-)

Now got some hard wired jobs...

Subject: RE: BS: Mixed signals
From: beardedbruce
Date: 15 Jun 07 - 03:51 PM

" It has a range of about 20ft though why anyone should need to boost a car radio signal 20ft from their car is beyond me,"

Hey, the guy in the trunk might want to listen in...

Subject: RE: BS: Mixed signals
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 15 Jun 07 - 03:48 PM

We have one of those signal booster thingies for the car to tune into digital radio and MP3/iPods. It has a range of about 20ft though why anyone should need to boost a car radio signal 20ft from their car is beyond me, but it does make it fun to pull up in traffic queues and watch everyone else for a 3 car radius wonder why their radios are suddenly broadcasting Adge Cutler and the Wurzels or Meatloaf.

LTS

Subject: RE: BS: Mixed signals
From: gnu
Date: 15 Jun 07 - 03:14 PM

Back in the 1930's, up in Kent County, New Brunswick, Canada, relatives of mine figured thier grandmother had lost it. She was hearing voices and music. She heard it when hanging out the washing. They had a metal wire clothes line which was picking up radio signals and she was hearing music and bible readings. The word of God!

When word got around, people would come from miles on Sunday afternoon to see if it was true. Big run on wire rope!

Subject: RE: BS: Mixed signals
From: frogprince
Date: 15 Jun 07 - 02:58 PM

You could probably picked up Del Rio Texas on the moon. It came in fine for us in Minnesota. They set up the transmitter in Mexico, where they could pump a lot more power than allowed in the states.

Subject: RE: BS: Mixed signals
From: kendall
Date: 15 Jun 07 - 02:08 PM

I remember one night way down in eastern Maine I was listening to a station in DelRio Texas.
Signal skips are weird.

Subject: RE: BS: Mixed signals
From: kendall
Date: 15 Jun 07 - 02:05 PM

When I was in the Warden force we used to get Police conversations from Kansas on their radios to our car radios. Never did figure out how to work each other's cases.

Subject: RE: BS: Mixed signals
From: GUEST,282RA
Date: 15 Jun 07 - 01:26 PM

I don't believe in aliens. And I never believed the KLEE explanation of a a body in space bouncing back the signals. I speculate that if it happened, it could have been psy-op--a psychological operation of the military.

Your explanation doesn't really pan out because it is incredibly short on details, names, quotes--anything" "Some guy in England said he had a business partner who pulled this off by somehow obtaining all the stations' call letters and having some kind of special screen to project them onto and then encourage people to photograph and send it to their local stations asking for an explanantion" He could have been a bit more specific. Someone who tells me it's a hoax and then can't give me the name of the hoaxter or tell me exactly how it was done is really no better than someone eho believes it was aliens 1.5 light-years away in space.

If the KLEE even happened, it would have been some kind of intelligence opertation because the technology involved wouldn't have been in possession of ordinary citizens. If it never actually happened, that should be provable. Your expose doesn't really make clear whether the event itself happened or not.

Subject: RE: BS: Mixed signals
From: GUEST,Keinstein
Date: 15 Jun 07 - 10:36 AM

KLEE was a hoax. It would have been truly remarkable had it not been. Not only were the aliens receiving and rebroadcasting American TV signals, but they were also converting them from the American 525 line, 30 frames/ second format, to the (then) British 405 line, 25 frames per second system. If they could do that, they could have sent a message of their own in both formats.

But then maybe aliens are technically superb, but just no good at communicating.

Subject: RE: BS: Mixed signals
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 15 Jun 07 - 10:31 AM

NASA doesn't know about John in Kansas yet.

Subject: RE: BS: Mixed signals
From: GUEST,282RA
Date: 15 Jun 07 - 10:27 AM

^How come you have the answer and NASA doesn't?

Subject: RE: BS: Mixed signals
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 15 Jun 07 - 09:53 AM

The baby monitor uses an RF connection to the display¹. Someone in the neighborhood has a "WiFi" or similar RF network and has the "space channel" on regularly.

No mystery - except the specific identity of the computer or digital TV that's on the same frequency. (It's probably within about a half-block.)

¹ I have one of these "surveillance monitors" that I though might make a good "backup viewer" for getting my Rec trailer backed between the close-spaced trees into the back yard. It picks up interference from everything in the vicinity. If I turn the receiver in the right direction I can tell which channel my neighbor is watching on his TV from the pickup from his IF stage oscillator.

John

Subject: RE: BS: Mixed signals
From: Jack Campin
Date: 15 Jun 07 - 08:49 AM

When I was a kid I stayed for a short time in Petone, across the harbour from Wellington (New Zealand). At the top of the hill was the transmitter for 2YA, at the time the most powerful radio transmitter in the Southern Hemisphere, 200KW if I remember right (it had to cover a large area of rough terrain). The signal was so powerful that some people got broadcast sound out of their oven doors.

Subject: RE: BS: Mixed signals
From: greg stephens
Date: 15 Jun 07 - 08:39 AM

As LP Hartley so nearly observed, America is a foreign country, they do things differently there.

Subject: RE: BS: Mixed signals
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 15 Jun 07 - 08:09 AM

What are relative frwquency bands for the shuttle stuff and baby monitors?

Subject: RE: BS: Mixed signals
From: 282RA
Date: 14 Jun 07 - 11:24 PM

I wonder if this qualifies as a Fortean event.

Subject: RE: BS: Mixed signals
From: frogprince
Date: 14 Jun 07 - 10:36 PM

So she leaves the baby monitor on while she nurses the baby. Two astronauts sit watching her on a space station viewscreen. One says, "that's disgusting"; the other says, "It sure is", but He's getting a major erection...

Subject: RE: BS: Mixed signals
From: Sorcha
Date: 14 Jun 07 - 10:19 PM

It's OK jOhn...go back to bed now. It's about breast fed alien babies being beamed to Earth from a space station.



(smile, ya know I love ya baby.....)

Subject: RE: BS: Mixed signals
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 14 Jun 07 - 09:18 PM

Waht all this is about?

Subject: RE: BS: Mixed signals
From: GUEST,meself
Date: 14 Jun 07 - 09:12 PM

They probably think they're looking at an alien. They DO look like babies, you know.

Subject: RE: BS: Mixed signals
From: RangerSteve
Date: 14 Jun 07 - 08:46 PM

The astronauts on the space shuttle are watching her baby and wondering what the hell is going on.

Subject: RE: BS: Mixed signals
From: Sorcha
Date: 14 Jun 07 - 06:41 PM

I knew it. The breast fed aliens have landed. No other answer will suffice.

Subject: RE: BS: Mixed signals
From: Nick E
Date: 14 Jun 07 - 06:14 PM

Has the baby been questioned in all of this ?

Subject: BS: Mixed signals
From: 282RA
Date: 14 Jun 07 - 05:42 PM

PALATINE, Ill. - An elementary school science teacher in this Chicago suburb doesn't have to turn on the news for an update on    NASA's space mission. She just turns on her video baby monitor.

Since Sunday, one of the two channels on Natalie Meilinger's baby monitor has been picking up black-and-white video from inside the space shuttle Atlantis. The other still lets her keep an eye on her baby.

"Whoever has a baby monitor knows what you'll usually see," Meilinger said. "No one would ever expect this."

Live video of the mission is available on NASA's Web site, so it's possible the monitor is picking up a signal from somewhere.

"It's not coming straight from the shuttle," NASA spokeswoman Brandi Dean said. "People here think this is very interesting and you don't hear of it often — if at all." [snip]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070614/ap_on_fe_st/odd_baby_monitor_space

This could, of course, be something ordinary but nobody's heard of anything like it before. It reminds me of the story of KLEE-TV out of Houston, Texas. Back in 1953, television viewers in the UK began receiving signals from station KLEE in Texas. It would take over their screens and override the current local programming often as long as 3 minutes. During this time, the station's call letters and location were clearly seen. Some viewers even phtotgraphed the phenomenon.

Upon investigation, however, it was discovered that KLEE out of Houston went off the air in 1950 and no other station anywhere in the world had used the call letters KLEE since then. So we're stuck explaining not only how a local station in Houston was reaching viewers in the UK for several weeks but how could it be doing this when it was no longer broadcasting.

Some think the signals must have radiated into space and struck a body 1.5 light-years away and then bounced back. Of course, this forces us to ask what body the signals struck and how it radiated the signal back to earth. Moreover, the signals would have to be boosted considerably especially to override current local live programming.

Was it an intelligence operation of some sort? A psy-op as they call them?

And what could possibly relay a signal from NASA to a single baby monitor hundred of miles away? Once again the signal is coming out of the Houston area and there seems to be no credible explanation. Why wouldn't the other monitor also receive the signal? Why is no one else noticing this problem?