Britain's greatest comedian dead-Bernard Manning

Subject: RE: Britain's greatest comedian dead-Bernard Manning
From: GUEST,scot
Date: 20 Jun 07 - 07:37 PM

as I'm about to leave, you lot just face the truth, you are the most horrible people that I know, you are so full of shit, and by the way with a gay boyfriend and I also like Martin Luther King and I'm also a black gay guy.

Subject: RE: Britain's greatest comedian dead-Bernard Manning
From: GUEST,Candienne
Date: 20 Jun 07 - 07:48 PM

guest scot

" At once, good-night:
Stand not upon the order of your going,
But go at once."
to quote Bernard Manning - " That's from f***in' Shakespeare, that is."

Subject: RE: Britain's greatest comedian dead-Bernard Manning
From: GUEST,scot
Date: 20 Jun 07 - 07:52 PM

I just remembed one other thing this is how hitler started, by tellimg people that didn't agree with him or his views to leave as well and look what happened then, so just because you don't agree with what I have written you say that I can't stay, well I will write on any post at any time and you and no one has the right to tell me or anyone else to leave.

I agree with Guitar

let agree to disagree because this is bloody stupid and if you don't like it then who is the dictator then.

it's either our way or no way.

I just love my fellow human beings that much that I'm sorry for going daft and wrirting such rubbish.

Oh didn't I tell you that I'm also a Jewish gay black man with a boyfriend.

Subject: RE: Britain's greatest comedian dead-Bernard Manning
From: guitar
Date: 20 Jun 07 - 07:56 PM

Guest Scot

I tihnk you should leave because you'll never win with these people I've tried and it doesn't work.

GUEST,Candienne

Please leave guest Scot alone becasue he has been told to go.

I agree with you that he should leave

Subject: RE: Britain's greatest comedian dead-Bernard Manning
From: GUEST,Canadienne
Date: 20 Jun 07 - 08:00 PM

oh scot, I think you did mention your Jewish, black gay credetials and also your resolve to leave!
Now one of those is at least untrue - I wonder about the others.

Thnks for being the best arguement here against racists, I just love you too :)

Subject: RE: Britain's greatest comedian dead-Bernard Manning
From: GUEST,scot
Date: 20 Jun 07 - 08:03 PM

thanks
I'm away to bed now

Scot

Subject: RE: Britain's greatest comedian dead-Bernard Manning
From: GUEST,scot
Date: 20 Jun 07 - 08:04 PM

:)

Subject: RE: Britain's greatest comedian dead-Bernard Manning
From: guitar
Date: 20 Jun 07 - 08:05 PM

Goodnight Guest Scot,

I hope that will come back

Tom

Subject: RE: Britain's greatest comedian dead-Bernard Manning
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 20 Jun 07 - 08:32 PM

Quoth akenaton:

"I know that people of your ilk don't like discussing 'difficult' subjects like racism or homosexuality as you might find that your cosy preconceived ideas turn out to be wrong. However I am unafraid to discuss any subject with intelligent people.... and if that makes me a racist/ homophobe in your eyes, so be it.

Another job for the 'Thought police'....Eh?"

This is the single most egregiously silly post I've read all year, bar those from the occasional apparent multi-identity loonies we've seen on this thread.   People of our ilk are actually discussing racism here and now, on this thread, in case you haven't noticed. Your problem is that people of our ilk don't happen to agreee with people of your ilk, so you debase the discussion by resorting to petty insults. We're cosy and preconceived and, by implication, unintelligent. The fact that you are up for discussing Bernard Manning with us does not make you a racist or homophobe. The fact that you vigorously defend the man may well make you racist or homophobe. It's your job to explain to people of our ilk how you can be the one (a Manning fan) but not the other (a racist and homophobe).   It's a tough question to answer, but you really ought to address it before you issue any more insults to us of our ilk.   I bet you can't! :-)

Subject: RE: Britain's greatest comedian dead-Bernard Manning
From: Ythanside
Date: 20 Jun 07 - 09:07 PM

Bit messy, this Post Mortem business, isn't it? I'm ankle deep in blood and gore just reading the comments.
BM was an anachronism, so out of place in the 21st century that he is viewed to best effect in black and white only. He was not alone in his choice of material forty or fifty years ago when the word enlightenment, to many in his audience, meant switching from gas mantles to electric bulbs. He just didn't evolve; he got stuck in a time warp. If anything his material grew more offensive, perhaps as a reaction to the growing criticism he attracted. As a natural showman he would have known how to turn any form of publicity to his own advantage. The fact that his act lent credibility to the National Front didn't appear to cause him any concern.
Love him or hate him, however, he's gone now, so the knives can be put away.

Subject: RE: Britain's greatest comedian dead-Bernard Manning
From: guitar
Date: 21 Jun 07 - 03:04 AM

I agree Ythanside

Subject: RE: Britain's greatest comedian dead-Bernard Manning
From: guitar
Date: 21 Jun 07 - 03:08 AM

Guest Scot,

I hope that you read this post, which just says simply see what I mean by you can't win

Subject: RE: Britain's greatest comedian dead-Bernard Manning
From: GUEST,scot
Date: 21 Jun 07 - 03:25 AM

thanks Guitar,

I've just read you post, and I agree with you, they just don't want to listen to reason or any other opinion that's all it's a case you have to agree with me or else.

So as I say Guitar you're right just don't argue with these 'people'

because there are some people like me can admit that they are wrong these people can't.

So thanks again Guitar

Subject: RE: Britain's greatest comedian dead-Bernard Manning
From: GUEST,scot
Date: 21 Jun 07 - 03:58 AM

oh another thing Guitar,

I've noticed that they are just big children, you it's either our weay or no way, so what they do is gang up on someone and just try and score points, I'm just fed up with this Guitar, I have more important things to do

so the big children this is for you 'GET A LIFE'

Subject: RE: Britain's greatest comedian dead-Bernard Mann
From: Folkiedave
Date: 21 Jun 07 - 04:29 AM

Nice one George - it should be compulsory reading for those defending Manning.

Subject: RE: Britain's greatest comedian dead-Bernard Manning
From: GUEST,scot
Date: 21 Jun 07 - 04:58 AM

GUEST,Canadienne

At lest I like you but I'm not sure about the others

and this time I will leave I promise this time

:)

Subject: RE: Britain's greatest comedian dead-Bernard Manning
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 21 Jun 07 - 05:20 AM

As we were saying...

Subject: RE: Britain's greatest comedian dead-Bernard Manning
From: GUEST,Black Hawk on works PC
Date: 21 Jun 07 - 06:53 AM

What saddens me is the vitriol unleashed on any subject discussed on Mudcat!

Scanning quickly down the Mudcat 'Third Joke Thread 2007' I can see jokes about :- English, Welsh, French, German, Austrian, Irish, Czech, Russian, Rumanian, Bulgarian, Men, Blondes, Jews, Priests, Lawyers and old people.

We often make jokes about Bodhran, Banjo and Bass players. Drummers come in for a lot of 'stick' as well (sorry about the pun)[no I'm not].

This does not make us racist etc. just human.

The joke which has been repeated here many, many times is not racist unless you want it to be.

Whats the difference between a Paki and a bucket of shit? The bucket!
Whats the difference between a Banjo player and a bucket of shit? The bucket!
Whats the difference between a drummer and a bucket of shit? The bucket!
Whats the difference between Tony Blair and a bucket of shit? The bucket!
Whats the difference between a racist and a bucket of shit? The bucket!

The joke is the twist – the bucket.

By the way, I could not stand BM because of his bullying type of humour. Pick on someone in the audience (like the waitresses)and ridicule them? That is bullying but not necessarily racist!
I rarely saw him on Tv and then only by accident, I would not care to see him live (would probably walk out if he performed anywhere I was) but that was my choice.
They say beauty is in the eye of the beholder - so is racism!
The guy is dead and his humour will die with him! R.I.P.

Subject: RE: Britain's greatest comedian dead-Bernard Manning
From: GUEST,Blindlemonsteve
Date: 21 Jun 07 - 08:03 AM

2 points that i think are of importance here,
1, Was Bernard Manning a great Comedian, This has to be answered with out a doubt Yes, BM was technically a comic genius, his ability to deliver a punchline was incredible.
2, Was his material out dated and offensive in this modern world.... again Yes,

My perception of him is that its a shame he wasnt born 40 years later, i think he would have been one of the greatest comedians of all time, he was a victim of his generation. You cant really hold that against him, At the end of the day, he only ever told a few jokes, made some people laugh, made other people take a look at the society they lived in and made some other people rant on discussion forums,,,, over all, he wasnt a bad man, so i say R.I.P Bernard Manning, a great comedian, born too early..

Subject: RE: Britain's greatest comedian dead-Bernard Manning
From: GUEST,redhorse at work
Date: 21 Jun 07 - 08:22 AM

Blackhawk: is the term "Paki" no longer racist then?

nick

Subject: RE: Britain's greatest comedian dead-Bernard Manning
From: GUEST,Black Hawk still at work
Date: 21 Jun 07 - 08:42 AM

GUEST,redhorse at work Blackhawk: is the term "Paki" no longer racist then?

Me They say beauty is in the eye of the beholder - so is racism!

I know Pakistanis who call each other Paki - are they racist?

Any term depends on how & why it is said.

If you called me a fat b@$£@rd I would take it as an insult - if my mate said it I would take it as friendly banter.
You must live in a dull grey world if everything is so literal.

Besides which I was using that as an example of the type of humour. It is strange that the main repetition of these jokes has been by people who oppose them.

(My parents were married long before I was born by the way).

Subject: RE: Britain's greatest comedian dead-Bernard Manning
From: GUEST,Black Hawk etc etc
Date: 21 Jun 07 - 08:46 AM

Just to add :-
Many years ago when working in the largest chemical plant in Europe I worked alongside a 'black' plumber. I never found out his name because when asked by anyone he always said 'Just call me Sambo'.

Why? I dont know but always seemed strange to me. Nice chap.

Subject: RE: Britain's greatest comedian dead-Bernard Mann
From: Folkiedave
Date: 21 Jun 07 - 08:53 AM

The joke which has been repeated here many, many times is not racist unless you want it to be

Exactly. Bernard Manning wanted it to be. That's why people on this thread who called him a racist are correct to do so.

Those who wish to defend him on any grounds whatsoever have to accept they are defending a racist - not a comedian.

By the way, I could not stand BM because of his bullying type of humour. Pick on someone in the audience (like the waitresses)and ridicule them? That is bullying but not necessarily racist!

He didn't pick on them because they were waitresses he picked on them because they were black. That is both bullying and racist.

Subject: RE: Britain's greatest comedian dead-Bernard Manning
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 21 Jun 07 - 09:05 AM

What's the difference between BM and a bucket of sh...you know what?

The Bucket.

Any BM apologists want to explain how what I just typed is not offensive?

Don T.

Subject: RE: Britain's greatest comedian dead-Bernard Manning
From: GUEST,Black Hawk etc etc
Date: 21 Jun 07 - 09:19 AM

Folkiedave - I am not defending BM. As I have already stated, I could not stand the man AS I PERCEIVED HIM.
What I was pointing out is that not everything that mentions race is racist.
The waitress incident mentioned could have happened whether they were black, yellow or white. I have shared a stage with 'comedians' who used any excuse (colour, age, clothes etc) to spotlight some unfortunate soul to use as a butt for their 'humour'. They didnt hate these people, they just used them. One person I personally find very offensive is Anne Robinson on the Weakest Link programme. She makes personal remarks about race, looks, hobbies, jobs etcetcetc and is becoming rich by doing so. BM fans knew what to expect. A quiz program I expect to be that.

Don(Wyziwyg)T - Yes it is offensive to BM fans but no doubt the BM haters will not think so. I didnt see any reaction condemning the previous link about doctors saying his condition is now satisfactory!
'Eye of the beholder' perhaps.
Its not offensive to me because
a) I've heard it before
b) I dont think its funny
c) I dont like BM
d) I think there are more important things in life than worrying about a 'one-liner'.

Subject: RE: Britain's greatest comedian dead-Bernard Manning
From: GUEST,Black Hawk fed up with the arguing
Date: 21 Jun 07 - 09:25 AM

By the way Don(Wyziwyg)T - in your example the joke might be offensive but it is not racist.

Which was exactly my point!

Subject: RE: Britain's greatest comedian dead-Bernard Mann
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 21 Jun 07 - 09:37 AM

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder........... get it out with Optrex.


[ Milligan ]

Subject: RE: Britain's greatest comedian dead-Bernard Manning
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 21 Jun 07 - 09:45 AM

"Yes it is offensive to BM fans but no doubt the BM haters will not think so."

This is precisely where we differ, Blackhawk. I am a BM hater, and always have been, and I think what I typed is offensive in the extreme, and I would never have typed it except to prove that point.

If you were interested enough to ask the opposition, you might well find that the majority of BM haters share my opinion.

That, essentially is their reason for hating him.

As to the question of racism, I am amazed that you do not seem to understand that calling two defenseless black waitresses "Wog", "Nigger", etc. is not simply bullying, but RACIST bullying.

What else could it possibly be?

Don T.

Subject: RE: Britain's greatest comedian dead-Bernard Manning
From: GUEST,Black Hawk etc etc
Date: 21 Jun 07 - 10:09 AM

My last post on this thread (you will be glad to hear)

Don(Wyziwyg)T - I have never sworn on stage. I work in a mans world where there are very few women and the language can be appalling. Me as much as anyone. But there I know the people I deal with.
When you have a microphone you have a certain power. You can over-ride audience members comments with sheer power not skill. Some in the audience will not want to hear obscenities. I respect that. Not many performers do these days. There are many music nights I will not take my family to because of the 'low' content.

I do not care for BM for the same reason.

Please feel free to post my quote where I stated BM was not a racist!
In my opinion he was.
What I was pointing out is that the joke which was constantly being posted was not inherently racist.
As your own posting proved!

Subject: RE: Britain's greatest comedian dead-Bernard Mann
From: Folkiedave
Date: 21 Jun 07 - 10:18 AM

he waitress incident mentioned could have happened whether they were black, yellow or white

No it couldn't - there is no point in calling a white waitress "sambo" or "wog" - which is what he did to the black waitresses. He picked on those waitresses because they were black.

He may have insulted a white waitress but her skin colour would not have come into it. What are the racist words for a white person? I doubt if he knew any. There is no internet record of him ever using any in his act. Of course some comedians insult people - I don't bother watching them - but some people think they are funny.

But that is not the point - I am not complaining about Bernard Manning insulting people. I am complaining about him insulting people on the basis of racist stereotyping. And it makes no difference then what colour they are. (See my remarks about Irish jokes earlier in the thread) In the case of the waitresses his remarks were about the colour of their skin - and as has been pointed out that was both racist and bullying.

Of course the courts agreed and awarded them 30,000 each.

Subject: RE: Britain's greatest comedian dead-Bernard Manning
From: GUEST,scot
Date: 21 Jun 07 - 10:59 AM

I was never a fan of Bernard Manning, but at the end of the day he was a fellow human being and you got to show some respect if not him but his family, and if you don't then what does that make you lot that can't show respect for his family because when disrespect him then you disresepct his family, and then you lot are just as bad as him accroding to you lot.

I and I think Guitar were not Fans of Bernard Manning, because where in our posts have we said that we were fans, I was brought up to show respct for my fellow human beings wither they be bad or good.

Scot

Subject: RE: Britain's greatest comedian dead-Bernard Manning
From: guitar
Date: 21 Jun 07 - 11:03 AM

I thought that were going to leave Scot, but as I say don't argue with these people because they think that they are right and you think that you are right and no one is right, so I think that you should give up just because I'm going to do it, DON'T ARGUE WITH THEM.

AND I WAS NEVER A FAN OF BERNARD MANNING AND NEVER WILL BE, HE WAS A MAN OF HIS TIME I RESPECT HIS FAMILY AND FRIENDS

Subject: RE: Britain's greatest comedian dead-Bernard Manning
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 21 Jun 07 - 11:39 AM

Guitar, you and Scot are obviously the same person - same grammatical aberrations, same barely-literate posting style, turn up at the same time "coincidentally", etc.

If you have a legitimate and decent argument, you don't need to make up phantom identities to back you up.

Subject: RE: Britain's greatest comedian dead-Bernard Manning
From: Captain Ginger
Date: 21 Jun 07 - 12:23 PM

Hmm, Hitler was also a human being, as were Pol Pot, Stalin and Mengele. Care to shed a tear for them, too, scot/guitar?
Ah well, that's one clever racist bastard gone. Now, about Jim Davidson...

Subject: RE: Britain's greatest comedian dead-Bernard Mann
From: Joe Offer
Date: 21 Jun 07 - 12:39 PM

Ruth Archer is correct. "Scot" and "Guitar" are the same person. We don't allow that sort of manipulation at Mudcat. Posters are required to use a consistent identity.
Guitar/Scot, consider yourself warned.

-Joe Offer, Forum Moderator-

Subject: RE: Britain's greatest comedian dead-Bernard Manning
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 21 Jun 07 - 12:40 PM

Well, judging by the posts on the threads, BM's death was more important than S.Rushdie's knighthood. Or of more relevance to our little community. Or more divisive. Or perhaps we just let words and the keyboard run away with themselves.

Y'all really should go a few posts back and read Alexei Sayle's take on this; he should know, better than any of us. If you disagree, make your point; otherwise let the thread die, the sight of so many of us with red on our virtual whiskers is disturbing.

Subject: RE: Britain's greatest comedian dead-Bernard Manning
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 21 Jun 07 - 12:41 PM

Nice sleuthing, Ruth.
You are hereby renamed Ruth The Sleuth :-)

Subject: RE: Britain's greatest comedian dead-Bernard Manning
From: GUEST,Blindlemonsteve
Date: 21 Jun 07 - 01:33 PM

I did find this funny though
An Irish guy go´s on a building site for a job, Can you make tea said the foreman, yes says the Irish guy, can you drive a forklift said the foreman,,,,,, Blimey, how big is the teapot said the irish guy.

Subject: RE: Britain's greatest comedian dead-Bernard Manning
From: Mr Red
Date: 21 Jun 07 - 01:47 PM

that's funny. At least it wasn't the "Take your pick" joke.

Subject: RE: Britain's greatest comedian dead-Bernard Manning
From: Black Hawk
Date: 21 Jun 07 - 01:55 PM

Sorry folks – didn't want to come back and hope it's the last time!

Folkidave - My statement the waitress incident mentioned could have happened whether they were black, yellow or white I still stick by.
You say it couldn't!
In my experience, comics like him pick on somebody vulnerable to be the butt of their humour. If the waitresses were blonde (blonde jokes), male (? gay jokes), short (dwarf jokes) etc.
His kind will always find something. He wouldn't use the same exact words but he would still insult. That's how he made a (good) living.
The fact that the waitresses involved got a payment should open the way for any audience member who is the butt of others wit to also win a court case but I doubt if it will!

I am amazed by your remark I am not complaining about Bernard Manning insulting people. I am complaining about him insulting people on the basis of racist stereotyping.
So it is OK for him (and others) to insult white, English people?
That remark in itself could be considered racist?

I find ANY insults to ANY person regardless of colour, race, religion etc. offensive if done merely for effect!

(The exceptions are when it occurs between friends at gatherings everywhere but is meant in jest and is accepted the same way.)

Folkiedave - If BM & I were in the same bar I could not stay. Even though you & I may disagree here, we could probably sit & have a pint or two & sing a couple of songs & enjoy each others company. Thats the main difference between people like BM & us.

George – I do not find Alexei Sayle's comedy funny either. Everyone to their own.

Hope you all have a life free from insults,

BH

Subject: RE: Britain's greatest comedian dead-Bernard Manning
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 21 Jun 07 - 02:03 PM

BH, I referred to Alexei Sayle's article on BM, linked above, not his comedy - which I also don't find funny.

Subject: RE: Britain's greatest comedian dead-Bernard Manning
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 21 Jun 07 - 02:05 PM

Or did you mean that the two are somehow linked (I mean AS's comedy and his article, which is in fact serious)?

Subject: RE: Britain's greatest comedian dead-Bernard Manning
From: Nick
Date: 21 Jun 07 - 03:24 PM

I would have thought that one of the glaringly obvious things about performing comedy (or music or anything) is that most of the long term successful surviving people have some underlying belief or cultural system that underlies and provides the basis of their material - whether it be feminism; racism; socialist; communist; jewish; satirical; etc etc

Let's say Jenny Eclair is a technically good performer (not to open a discussion as to whether she is or isn't). Would she have made a living doing Bernard Manning or Frank Carson's material however technically good she might be? Would she have survived as long? I tend to doubt it.

I reckon that most of the comedians (like musicians) who have survived have found the niche that THEY were comfortable in and performed material that THEY were comfortable with, and I can't believe that it does not in some way reflect the views that they hold.

Ben Elton doesn't have the old "bash thatch" act any nore because she isn't there and it probably doesn't fit him like a glove anymore.

As an aside -

I have a lovely view of scot's parents - black and jewish - desperately searching through the names book for a suitable name for their child. "Let's call him scot" they both say as one.

Subject: RE: Britain's greatest comedian dead-Bernard Mann
From: Folkiedave
Date: 21 Jun 07 - 03:56 PM

My last time too I reckon....

Folkidave - My statement the waitress incident mentioned could have happened whether they were black, yellow or white I still stick by.
You say it couldn't!

If he insults her because she is a waitress that is not OK of course - but it is not racist!! If he insults her because she is blonde that is not OK either but it is not racist. If he insults her because she is woman (or a man) that is not racist either etc etc..... But if he insults her because she is black by calling her (as he did) wog, nigger and sambo that is racist. I am surprised you can't see that.

I am amazed by your remark I am not complaining about Bernard Manning insulting people. I am complaining about him insulting people on the basis of racist stereotyping.
So it is OK for him (and others) to insult white, English people?
That remark in itself could be considered racist?

I was complaining about his racist stereotyping. I thought I had made it clear I can also complain about his xenophobic, homophobic, sexist and insulting garbage as well. I just wasn't that's all. I had enough on my plate with trying to persuade people he was a racist.

I find ANY insults to ANY person regardless of colour, race, religion etc. offensive if done merely for effect!

(The exceptions are when it occurs between friends at gatherings everywhere but is meant in jest and is accepted the same way.)

I am not sure about that even but I admit one can get po-faced about these things. I am an inveterate joke teller (often stolen off Mudcat) but I do avoid sexist racist homophobic etc etc....stuff.

we could probably sit & have a pint or two & sing a couple of songs & enjoy each others company.

I am always up for a pint - (dreadful singer) - except I am trying to lose weight at the moment.

Subject: RE: Britain's greatest comedian dead-Bernard Manning
From: GUEST,a fan
Date: 21 Jun 07 - 04:32 PM

I'm really glad I started this thread - I knew at once I was touching a sore point with some people from the vitriol of the posts. Some points:- the ethnic people of Britain are white northern European. The word 'ethnic' has been used instead of 'ethnic minority'.

I'm a member of the most vilified minority group in Britain at present:- I'm a White, Anglo-Saxon, heterosexual Male. God help us all! We are discriminated in every walk of life - jobs, divorce (ask Sir Paul McCartney), child-custody, health care (women's medical treatment costs,on average ten times men's), Car insurance (it's ok to charge women less because they are "safer drivers" (my arse!)).

Ethnic minorities in Britain are very racist(have you seen many white men with Asian partners?), Dark-skinned Asian women need larger dowries to find a match: but two wrongs don't make a right. And I don't condone racism; I never have. Sir Paul Condon the, then, Commissioner of the Metropolitan Police, said that most street crime in London was committed by young Black menand the PC mob went baying for blood. A lynch mob stood outside New Scotland Yard calling for his head and calling him a racist. He merely stated what the survey of police crime reports said. In my day we would have asked why so many young Black men were driven to crime. The answer for the PC brigade was also obvious: these young men were discriminated against in jobs, first and formost, because they were MEN and not because they were BLACK! The hysterical calling Condon a racist took attention away from this fact. "The Female of the Species is More Deadly than the Male."

Subject: RE: Britain's greatest comedian dead-Bernard Manning
From: Captain Ginger
Date: 21 Jun 07 - 04:46 PM

What absolute bollocks.

Subject: RE: Britain's greatest comedian dead-Bernard Manning
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 21 Jun 07 - 05:04 PM

He forgot to mention men's higher pay and the glass ceiling facing many women in their careers, or the number of women who end up as unpaid carers. I'd like to see his source for the astronomical health care costs for women as compared to men while we're at it. And does he really think that insurance companies, those epitomes of grabbing capitalism, would really let women off some of their premiums if they weren't safer drivers? And when was he ever discriminated against because he is heterosexual?

Subject: RE: Britain's greatest comedian dead-Bernard Manning
From: akenaton
Date: 21 Jun 07 - 05:12 PM

Unless we stop all this PC nonesense and start to discuss racism and the causes of racism we are in serious trouble.
Further up the thread somebody said "but we are descussing racism on this thread"   WRONG   what they were doing was fucking a corpse.

Right from the start they lined up hardly able to contain themselves so eager to tell us how much they hated a dead man.
I hardly ever watched BM his humour was not to my taste , but thousands did....are they all racists.

I have noticed on this forum that it is almost impossible to hold an intelligent discussion on controversial subjects without a chorus of abuse designed to sabotage the discussion.
Who cares if BM was a racist, one of my neighbours is a racist and he is looked on as a sad individual
WE must start to examine our society, because there are huge problems for the future ticking away in the Ethnic minority ghettos.

Two very good friends of mine are Indian/Pakistani doctors, during our conversations I have been told that educated Muslims despise the British, their lifestyle,their materialism and depravity, and their foreign policy. I can almost agree with them in their assesment, but that is hardly the point. We must start a dialogue to find out why there is so much distrust between the races or we may one day face something even worse than 7/7

To silence discussion of any subject is the way of the book burners and fascism and there are many on this forum with that mindset...Ake

Subject: RE: Britain's greatest comedian dead-Bernard Manning
From: Joe Offer
Date: 21 Jun 07 - 05:12 PM

I've been asked to remove "a fan's" 04:32 PM post because it is a "racist rant." It is that, indeed, but maybe it's good for us to see "a fan's" true colors/colours.

I also notice that "a fan" has used other names in other threads.

That being the case, perhaps I ought to just close this thread down. The subject of the death of Bernard Manning has been covered with far more posts than Manning deserves.

But Ake has a point. As an American visitor, I witnessed both shocking racism and smothering and ridiculous political correctness when I visited England, and neither one was pretty. Maybe the issue requires discussion and a reasonable consensus. I'll monitor this discussion, but perhaps it's not quite time to shut it down. Please remember to keep the discussion civil, and to use a consistent name when posting.

-Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: Britain's greatest comedian dead-Bernard Manning
From: cookster
Date: 21 Jun 07 - 05:31 PM

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