BS: Michael Moore - 9/11 could be inside job

Subject: RE: BS: Michael Moore - 9/11 could be inside job
From: GUEST,sooo sweet
Date: 20 Jun 07 - 11:33 PM

Michael Moore just wants to see the video tapes of the planes. No biggie. Just show the tapes.

And why do people feel they have to defend the government's 9/11 conspiracy theory of 19 men with boxcutters, anyway? I mean, what's in it for those of you who, personally, defend the govt's absurd lie?

I should have mentioned at the top that the link goes to a video clip of Moore saying those things. Just before he talks, communist whore Amy Goodman pisses herself when confronted by the same reporters Moore talked to. So you have two top liberals, Goodman and Moore, and one finally gets tired of the bullshit and speaks a bit of his mind. Goodman still sees her job as what it's always been, to lie and deceive, but Moore realized who the crew with the camera was, how much more powerful the internet has become than traditional media, and he makes his breakthrough statement to a 20 year old man with an internet hookup. Meanwhile, NPR dinosaur Goodman goes about her good little bootlicking chores supporting the lies of the mass murderers of 9/11. She's still buying the lie that she'll have a place in the organization once the riff raff is purged. But it seems Moore has finally admitted the truth to himself. Once the psychopaths in our positions of power get complete control over us, his ass is on the night train to oblivion, and he knows it. So he speaks out. Good for him.

Let's see...I made a mistake in my math, too. They should quit calling it the G8. President of the European Commission José Manuel Durão Barroso was at the conference, so that makes 9 heads of state, even though the EU isn't really a state, is it? It was voted down. No matter, the bosses of the world just invited Barroso to the meeting anyway, so if the CIA plan had worked, that C4 explosive would have taken out 8 majesterial supreme pooh-bahs while GW conveniently had a gastric problem.

If all had gone according to plan, the people killed in the blast would have been President of the European Commission José Manuel Durão Barroso, Prime Minister Tony Blair of Britain, President Vladimir Putin of Russia, Prime Minister Shinzo Abe of Japan, Prime Minister Romano Prodi of Italy, Chancellor Angela Merkel of Germany, President Nicolas Sarkozy of France, and Prime Minister Stephen Harper of Canada. Al Qeada would have been blamed, no doubt (probably operating out of Iran), and as I type this tonight the world would have been a vastly different place.

See, you HAVE to keep the govt honest or they go and blow up OTHER things.

Subject: RE: BS: Michael Moore - 9/11 could be inside job
From: Ythanside
Date: 20 Jun 07 - 10:37 PM

'Those people searching the grounds for parts immediately afterwards were walking on smooth grass.'

Smooth grass, hmmmm. Heard that somewhere before. Now, let me think. Damn, got it! Jeez, this is really, really BIG. Listen to this. Smooth grass, grass, grassy knoll, it all adds up, don't you see?   






NOPE!

Subject: RE: BS: Michael Moore - 9/11 could be inside job
From: GUEST,sooo sweet
Date: 20 Jun 07 - 09:49 AM

Thank you Grab for describing what the video cameras showed. Where'd you see those videos, by the way?

And the plane didn't hit the ground on the way to the Pentagon. There was no trenching. Nothing. Reporters commented on it. A few light poles knocked over, then a 9 foot hole in the pentagon. Those people searching the grounds for parts immediately afterwards were walking on smooth grass.

As far as the bodies in WTC7, there were lots of "missing" on that day. Anyone could have hid anything in the complex that day.

And don't you know by now that Wikipedia's a DISinformation source? Answers.com, the Urban Legends site, Wikipedia--they're used to discredit and misdirect. What happened to bldgs 5 & 6 is that they burned for days and didn't fall. Infinitely more damage to them than to WTC7, which had a corner damaged by a little falling debris. Then WTC7 falls in on itself in a perfectly controlled demolition. That film is out there in abundance. And the explosion described by the high-level official occurred early, before the second plane hit. Wasn't any kerosene tanks or any of the half-dozen other things the NIST report blamed for bringing down WTC7.

YOU had better start worrying about "Them" because they ran a drill on 9/11 of planes flying into the WTC bldgs, and then...IT HAPPENED! Son of a gun. Those musket shooters in Afghanistan pulled a fast one...got NORAD to stand down, did trick flying, did 3 perfect demolitions...ain't we a bunch of fuck-ups.

Here's how "them" operate. The G8 summit a couple of weeks ago. Leaders of the world's 8 largest economic powers (become symbolic as corporations surplant nations around the world). But GWBush attended the G8 summit, and one day he had a stomach ache. Missed a meeting:

...Sources told Deutsche Presse-Agentur dpa that US security men tested German security by trying to smuggle C4 plastic explosive past a checkpoint at Heiligendamm.

German surveillance machinery detected the tiny stash in a suitcase in a car and the Americans in plainclothes then identified themselves. German police declined comment.

http://www.eux.tv/article.aspx?articleId=9424

Take out 7 of the G8, and you just have to reorganize things, don't you? Halliburton and British Petroleum have to step in and create a "safer" world.

Subject: RE: BS: Michael Moore - 9/11 could be inside job
From: Grab
Date: 20 Jun 07 - 08:58 AM

PS. Quick calculation - 500mph = 220 metres per second. Let's say your camera has a 20-metre field of vision, which is about average from what I've seen of security cameras. The plane will cover that in 0.09s.

Subject: RE: BS: Michael Moore - 9/11 could be inside job
From: Little Hawk
Date: 20 Jun 07 - 08:54 AM

People will wiggle and twist so far in any direction to support their already existing opinion on anything that it's just ludicrous.

Almost every post on this thread is ample proof of that.

Subject: RE: BS: Michael Moore - 9/11 could be inside job
From: Grab
Date: 20 Jun 07 - 08:49 AM

Oh, and as for hitting the Pentagon "expertly", it's quite simple - they didn't. Check the pictures, and notice the engines scattered around the field in front of the building. The plane actually hit well in front of the building, but several tons of plane travelling at 500mph doesn't just stop like a dart sticking into a dartboard. It's got stacks of inertia, so it just slid on into the building like a wrecking ball.

Oh, and "dead bodies everywhere" of people working in WTC7, yet no-one reported dead? You don't think at least one of those "dead bodies" might have had friends and family who'd think it was a bit surprising there were no reported casualties in WTC7? Or has everyone been "silenced" by "Them"?

As for the idea that WTC7 must have been the result of explosives because other surrounding buildings weren't damaged, I quote Wikipedia's summary:-

"The entire WTC complex was destroyed on September 11, 2001, and many of the surrounding buildings were also either damaged or destroyed as the towers fell. 5 WTC suffered a large fire and a partial collapse of its steel structure.

Other buildings destroyed include St. Nicholas Greek Orthodox Church, Marriott World Trade Center (Marriott Hotel 3 WTC), South Plaza (4 WTC), and U.S. Customs (6 WTC). The World Financial Center buildings, 90 West Street, and 130 Cedar Street suffered fires. The Deutsche Bank Building, Verizon, and World Financial Center 3 suffered impact damage from the towers' collapse, as did 90 West Street. One Liberty Plaza survived structurally intact but sustained surface damage including shattered windows. 30 West Broadway was damaged by the collapse of 7 WTC. The Deutsche Bank Building, known through images of it being covered in a large black 'shroud' after September 11 to cover the building's damage, is currently being deconstructed[49] because of water, mold, and other severe damage caused by the neighboring towers' collapse."

In other words, WTC7 was merely the most prominent of several surrounding buildings which were trashed by the collapse.

Graham.

Subject: RE: BS: Michael Moore - 9/11 could be inside job
From: Grab
Date: 20 Jun 07 - 07:11 AM

"Cameras everywhere" does not equal "continuous footage". Security cameras usually take a picture a second at most, because otherwise you get swamped with footage. And a jet aircraft travels a significant distance in a second. That's why you only get individual frames - because that's what a security camera system records! Even if there's a feed to the security desk at normal video rates (50 fps), it is hardly ever recorded at that rate.

Also consider where the cameras are facing. Security cameras are mounted up high, facing down. That gives them good coverage of the ground, where people are going to be approaching the cameras from. The purpose of a security camera is to allow the guards to pick up on people trying to break in. But it gives zero coverage of the sky, which is where the plane is coming from.

Graham.

Subject: RE: BS: Michael Moore - 9/11 could be inside job
From: Barry Finn
Date: 20 Jun 07 - 02:45 AM

It's a real shame the the government will not mandate any serious investigations, not only into this but into anything that's deserving of a real offical, imparcial investigation that will satisfy the public's need & right to know. It's no wonder that so many are suspect & untrusing. That is the government's fault & problem & it's that that needs addressing.


Barry

Subject: RE: BS: Michael Moore - 9/11 could be inside job
From: GUEST,sooo sweet
Date: 19 Jun 07 - 11:51 PM

All Moore is asking is to see the video of the plane hitting the Pentagon. He said he was there on a filming project once and saw cameras everywhere. Yet we've never seen film of the plane hitting. The footage exists, because there were so many cameras covering things, and the govt released a few frames of this and that, so just release the film and settle the issue.

The other news is bigger. The man in WTC7 said he saw dead bodies everywhere in the building. In the lobby. The 911 commission report doesn't even mention WTC7. Official govt story is that one person died accidentally when the building collapsed due to being struck by debris from one of the towers. Or no, they mean heating fuel tanks blew up later in the day. And one person died. But this man saw multiple bodies, cops telling him not to look at the bodies as he was rushed out. High level security clearance. Just did face-time with Giuliani. Trusted man. Says many died in WTC7 before the second plane even hit the tower. Big, big, big, big story.

Subject: RE: BS: Michael Moore - 9/11 could be inside job
From: Bill D
Date: 19 Jun 07 - 11:37 PM

If you are unable to comprehend the RIGHT answer, it is very easy to get lost in one of the WRONG answers.

Accept just one false premise and lots of crap follows.

One more time....**They have MANY eyewitnesses who SAW the 767 fly into the Pentagon!** **and they DID find pieces of the plane...and personal possessions of the passengers**...maybe that amateur pilot couldn't do it 8 times out of 10, but he got lucky once.

If I am in a building that's on fire and about to collapse, and I hear loud bangs and see things fall apart, I am NOT in a position to evaluate the precise cause of the noises.....

You have to accept so many implausible 'facts' to make those building collapses into 'an inside job' that you might as well just let Hollywood make a movie of it all, and then nod wisely at the accuracy.

You probably think the car chase in "The French Connection" was done at full speed in one take....

Subject: RE: BS: Michael Moore - 9/11 could be inside job
From: GUEST,MarkS
Date: 19 Jun 07 - 11:02 PM

Michael Moore set off the bombs to hype his next movie. This guy really thinks ahead.

Subject: RE: BS: Michael Moore - 9/11 could be inside job
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 19 Jun 07 - 10:33 PM

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La la la, la la la, la la la...

Subject: RE: BS: Michael Moore - 9/11 could be inside job
From: Peace
Date: 19 Jun 07 - 10:28 PM

Noel, noel . . . .

Subject: RE: BS: Michael Moore - 9/11 could be inside job
From: GUEST,sooo sweet
Date: 19 Jun 07 - 10:25 PM

And in a related story, a man with high level security clearance, who was inside WTC 7, said a bomb went off inside the building:

It was at this point that he witnessed a bomb going off inside the building:

"We subsequently went to the stairwell and were going down the stairs, when we reached the sixth floor, the landing that we were standing on gave way, there was an explosion and the landing gave way. I was left there hanging, I had to climb back up and now had to walk back up to the eighth floor. After getting to the eighth floor everything was dark."

The individual in a second clip detailed hearing further explosions and then described what he saw when he got down to the lobby:

"It was totally destroyed, it looked like King Kong had been through it and stepped on it and it was so destroyed i didn't know where I was. It was so destroyed that had to take me out through a hole in the wall, a makeshift hole I believe the fire department made to get me out."

He was then told by firefighters to get twenty blocks away from the area because explosions were going off all over the World Trade Center complex.

The key to this information is that the individual testifies this all happened BEFORE either tower collapsed, thus building 7 was at that point completely undamaged from any falling debris or resulting fires. It also means that explosions were witnessed in WTC7 up to eight hours before its collapse at around 5.30pm.

listen to the clips here.

http://www.infowars.com/articles/sept11/wtc_7_security_official_details_explosions_inside_building.htm

I believe they said this man's identity will be revealed when the new Loose Change movie is released. He doesn't want the harrassment now and then later when the movie comes out, so he's withheld his name for the time being.

Subject: BS: Michael Moore - 9/11 could be inside job
From: GUEST,sooo sweet
Date: 19 Jun 07 - 10:19 PM

...Moore brought up his lingering questions on 9/11, which are a clear departure from the 'government negligence' picture he painted in his film Fahrenheit 9/11 , released some three years ago.

Moore told reporters, "I've had a number of firefighters tell me over the years and since Fahrenheit 9/11 that they heard these explosions-- that they believe there's MUCH more to the story than we've been told. I don't think the official investigations have told us the complete truth-- they haven't even told us half the truth."...

"I've filmed there before down at the Pentagon-- before 9/11-- there's got to be at least 100 cameras, ringing that building, in the trees, everywhere. They've got that plane coming in with 100 angles. How come with haven't seen the straight-- I'm not talking about stop-action photos, I'm talking about the video. I want to see the video; I want to see 100 videos that exist of this," Moore said....

He went on to imply the implausibility of a pilot executing the flight pattern of the flight that allegedly hit the Pentagon.

"Why don't they want us to see that plane coming into the building? Because, if you know anything about flying a plane, when you're going 500 miles per hour, if you're off by that much, you're in the river. So, they hit a building that's only 5 stories high...[unclear] that expertly. I believe that there will be answers in that video tape and we should demand that that tape is released."

Michael Moore was not vague or bashful in discussing 9/11 truth-- rather, he demanded a "new investigation before we get too far away from this-- to find out the whole truth."

This is a huge development in public figures going public with 9/11 questions-- particularly on the part of 'liberals' and others who identify with the 'left.' Despite overwhelming discontent with the Bush Administration, many such voices dismiss the importance of investigating 9/11 or simply decline to discuss any outstanding questions or relevant evidence. Noam Chomsky, for one, suggested that it "wouldn't matter" even if 9/11 had been hatched from a government plot.

Will the mainstream media continue to ignore the fact that the official story on 9/11 is all but dead, and more and more figures are coming forth to demand the truth?

http://www.infowars.com/articles/sept11/moore_911_could_be_inside_job.htm