Subject: RE: BS: Michael Moore - 9/11 could be inside job From: GUEST,sooo sweet Date: 20 Jul 07 - 01:33 PM The Wall Street Journal, no less, says the buyers of the Sears Tower are part of "Larry Silverstein's group." Therefore, Silverstein is part of THEIR group. Geez. It doesn't matter whose name is on the paperwork, Silverstein's "group" owns it. And I really am going to find a list of companies in the Sears Tower, when I have time, and work up a standardized email to send to the "Contact us" links. Let the secretaries know who owns their building. Least I can do. "Richard Gage from the American Institute of Architects speaks with Alex about the work of his group Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth to research and to disseminate the truth of the 9/11 "collapses" of all 3 WTC high-rise buildings to every architect and engineer" http://www.infowars.com/ Apparently Gage is going to be interviewed today. I don't have time to listen now, but I will this evening. This program is live 3 hours every weekday, then they loop the 3 hours 7 times, until the next live show. All you need is RealPlayer or some such to listen. Also, there will be a continuation of the eugenics research these guys are doing. Fascinating stuff. I swear I've never heard better investigative reporting. Jones is proned to hyperbolize, but the man doing the bulk of the research, Aaron Dykes, is right on target with this. He'll never get mainstream awards for this work, but he seems to have pieced together what is driving the push toward world government. Rockefeller, Carnegie, Gates, Hitler. Fascinating stuff. |
Subject: RE: BS: Michael Moore - 9/11 could be inside job From: WFDU - Ron Olesko Date: 20 Jul 07 - 01:25 PM One of the "theories" I've heard is that the pulverization was caused by the massive pressure of the collapse. The floors were not that thick - 3 to 4 inches. |
Subject: RE: BS: Michael Moore - 9/11 could be inside job From: Ebbie Date: 20 Jul 07 - 12:51 PM I have a question, Peace. Was the whole floor pulverized or just the top few inches? Because in a very small way I have seen concrete 'pulverize' its surface. Even in a small demolition a lot of dust occurs and I think that could fairly be called pulverization. |
Subject: RE: BS: Michael Moore - 9/11 could be inside job From: Peace Date: 20 Jul 07 - 12:44 PM So, uh, would this be an appropriate time to ask why the cement floors were pulverized? |
Subject: RE: BS: Michael Moore - 9/11 could be inside job From: WFDU - Ron Olesko Date: 20 Jul 07 - 11:08 AM Whatever. Life goes on. |
Subject: RE: BS: Michael Moore - 9/11 could be inside job From: CarolC Date: 20 Jul 07 - 10:37 AM I never critically discussed you, I critically discussed your ideas and reasoning. Same thing. It appears that you are unable to distinguish between a legitimate exchange of ideas and using ad hominem argumentation to try to make your points. There is a difference. One is legitimate debate, and the other is not. If you are critically discussing my ideas and reasoning, you are not discussing the topic of discussion, you are discussing me. |
Subject: RE: BS: Michael Moore - 9/11 could be inside job From: WFDU - Ron Olesko Date: 20 Jul 07 - 10:26 AM Why stop a snowball fight if everyone seems to enjoy it? |
Subject: RE: BS: Michael Moore - 9/11 could be inside job From: beardedbruce Date: 20 Jul 07 - 10:18 AM LH: "Like that stupid "last post" thread that has about 800 sonnets in it now... " 1. That thread does not yet have 800 sonnets in it. 2. YOU started the thread: Thus, any blame for its existance can be, and shgould be, laid at YOUR door. 3. Thanks for the reminder- I'll go post another sonnet there now. |
Subject: RE: BS: Michael Moore - 9/11 could be inside job From: Little Hawk Date: 20 Jul 07 - 10:15 AM A snow ball fight only continues as long as someone insists on throwing one more snowball. Right? Same goes for a war. Someone has got to be willing to stop shooting for it to end, but if everyone insists on having the last shot, it will never end, will it? Like that stupid "last post" thread that has about 800 sonnets in it now... |
Subject: RE: BS: Michael Moore - 9/11 could be inside job From: WFDU - Ron Olesko Date: 20 Jul 07 - 09:54 AM Sorry, but you misinterpreted my remarks. The other quote you posted earlier was not a response to you when I said "enough of the personal attacks" - it was a comment made in a response to something Little Hawk said. I never critically discussed you, I critically discussed your ideas and reasoning. If you feel that is an attack on you, then let us leave it at that and move on. If you consider my "tactics" to be "slimy", that is your interpretation. What you are doing is playing spin doctor. |
Subject: RE: BS: Michael Moore - 9/11 could be inside job From: CarolC Date: 20 Jul 07 - 09:41 AM If you consider what I posted to be an "attack", it answers a lot of questions I have about you. You stopped discussing your ideas and you began critically discussing me. This is an attack. If you need to resort to this kind of tactic, it means you haven't got anything better to work with, which answers every question I ever had about you. The other quote you posted was a response I gave to one from Little Hawk. Did I ever say YOU attacked me???? What other quote? The quotes I gave were the one from you in which you discussed me, and my response to it. Enough of the word games. Let's get back to the discussion. Enough of the personal attacks and the inflamatory accusations. When you're finished using these kinds of slimy tactics, I'll be finished confronting you about them. |
Subject: RE: BS: Michael Moore - 9/11 could be inside job From: beardedbruce Date: 20 Jul 07 - 07:51 AM "They had no specific information about what was being planned but linked the plot to Osama bin Laden and told the Americans that there were strong grounds for suspecting Iraqi involvement," " Which, according to those who claim to "Know", means that, since the Bush administration KNEW that Iraq had nothing to do with any terrorist acts ( the claim of those here who oppose the Iraq war) then the information was obviously false, and should be ignored. So, how can you use this to blame the Bush administration? If, on the other hand, the information SHOULD have been looked at seriously ( my OPINION) then there is justification for all the actions against Iraq in the UN and subsequent war. After all, there WAS a major terrorist act, by bin Laden. |
Subject: RE: BS: Michael Moore - 9/11 could be inside job From: The Fooles Troupe Date: 20 Jul 07 - 06:09 AM "Enough of the word games. Let's get back to the discussion." Dicsussion? I thought that died ages ago - leaving nothing BUT pointless word ganes... |
Subject: RE: BS: Michael Moore - 9/11 could be inside job From: Ebbie Date: 20 Jul 07 - 02:31 AM LOL |
Subject: RE: BS: Michael Moore - 9/11 could be inside job From: Peace Date: 20 Jul 07 - 12:55 AM "And since Bush can't run for President again, can't he become Prime Minister of Canada? " WASH YOUR FOUL MOUTH OUT WITH SOAP! |
Subject: RE: BS: Michael Moore - 9/11 could be inside job From: Ebbie Date: 20 Jul 07 - 12:04 AM You got that right, Spaw... :) |
Subject: RE: BS: Michael Moore - 9/11 could be inside job From: GUEST,sooo sweet Date: 19 Jul 07 - 11:35 PM I predict there will be a disaster of terroristic proportions for every hair coming out of my left ear. Tha'ts THOUSANDS |
Subject: RE: BS: Michael Moore - 9/11 could be inside job From: WFDU - Ron Olesko Date: 19 Jul 07 - 11:05 PM "Silverstein owns it." I'm sorry, but there is no record I could find of that. Every story I found lists three investors - Goldman, Cayre and Feil. While it would not surprise to me find Silverstein has some investment in it, there is nothing out there that says he or Silverstein Properties are involved. I also could not find anything about Marvin Bush being involved. If you have such reports, rather than you opinion which you are claming is fact, I would love to see it. |
Subject: RE: BS: Michael Moore - 9/11 could be inside job From: WFDU - Ron Olesko Date: 19 Jul 07 - 11:00 PM If you consider what I posted to be an "attack", it answers a lot of questions I have about you. The other quote you posted was a response I gave to one from Little Hawk. Did I ever say YOU attacked me???? Enough of the word games. Let's get back to the discussion. |
Subject: RE: BS: Michael Moore - 9/11 could be inside job From: GUEST,sooo sweet Date: 19 Jul 07 - 10:58 PM MetLife will sell Sears Tower The Wall Street Journal March 12, 2004 Two investors who are part of Larry Silverstein's group that owns the World Trade Center lease are among the buyers of the Sears Tower, which MetLife Inc. agreed to sell Thursday for more than $800 million, according to people familiar with the situation. Lloyd Goldman and Joseph Cayre, New York investors who are among Mr. Silverstein's backers in the Trade Center, are part of a group that agreed to buy the Chicago landmark, these people said. Another New York investor, Jeffrey Feil, was also a participant in the Sears Tower deal, the people said. Names of the other investors couldn't be learned.... http://www.searstower.org/news.html This is the latest news I could find on the Sears Tower. Silverstein's "group" and "names of other investors couldn't be learned." Silverstein owns it. At least enough of it to allow Marvin Bush to run security if he wants, same as they did at the WTC leading up to 9/11. Glad I found searstower.org. I'll start bugging them now. Gotta be lots of secretaries there, lots of emails. I bet they'd love to know they could look out a window and into a cockpit at any moment. |
Subject: RE: BS: Michael Moore - 9/11 could be inside job From: CarolC Date: 19 Jul 07 - 10:56 PM This is the initial attack, Ron (from you)... "It requires belief to accept the official version of events." It requires belief to accept the versions that you and toots sweet are cutting and pasting from. ALL versions require belief as well as the ability to reason. Carol has not convinced any of us of her beliefs, and we won't convince her of ours. You can keep asking questions on where the elephant came from or how the magician sawed the lady in half, but you see what you want to see. You ask a lot of questions, but fail to give answers. And this was my response to it... Well, the problem with this, Ron, is that my main belief is that we can't trust the official version of events. That's my main contention. I don't know what happened. I just know that we can't believe the official version of events. For you to suggest that I have even said that I think I know what happened shows that you haven't been reading my posts at all and you are just projecting your own bullshit onto me. Please stop it. There is no place for personal attacks in any kind of reasonable discussion. When people resort to attacks, it's because they don't have anything better to offer. I know you can do better than that. |
Subject: RE: BS: Michael Moore - 9/11 could be inside job From: WFDU - Ron Olesko Date: 19 Jul 07 - 10:54 PM No! |
Subject: RE: BS: Michael Moore - 9/11 could be inside job From: CarolC Date: 19 Jul 07 - 10:45 PM As long as I am not attacked again, I will not restort to such tactics. Please show me the post in which I attacked you first, Ron. |
Subject: RE: BS: Michael Moore - 9/11 could be inside job From: Little Hawk Date: 19 Jul 07 - 10:34 PM Hey, man, this thread must have some fascination for you. It keeps drawing you back. ;-) I thought you'd almost given up on wasting your time here. |
Subject: RE: BS: Michael Moore - 9/11 could be inside job From: catspaw49 Date: 19 Jul 07 - 10:13 PM Nonsense Ron! Why can't he? I mean really man.....Why let facts ruin perfectly good bullshit like Sweetnuts has been pumping out(along with a few others)? Hellfire, why don't we title the Tower to the Easter Bunny? Spaw |
Subject: RE: BS: Michael Moore - 9/11 could be inside job From: WFDU - Ron Olesko Date: 19 Jul 07 - 09:59 PM "Larry Silverstein owns the Sears Tower" You might want to check that, because he is not the owner of the Sears Tower. |
Subject: RE: BS: Michael Moore - 9/11 could be inside job From: Donuel Date: 19 Jul 07 - 09:21 PM Code Red would legitimately allow Bush to cancel elections and remain in power. |
Subject: RE: BS: Michael Moore - 9/11 could be inside job From: GUEST,sooo sweet Date: 19 Jul 07 - 09:13 PM Larry Silverstein owns the Sears Tower, cockspew. Look it up. They didn't even bother to change the players, so why should they change the M.O.? Sears Tower, airliner, radioactivity into Canada, give up your rights. |
Subject: RE: BS: Michael Moore - 9/11 could be inside job From: catspaw49 Date: 19 Jul 07 - 09:07 PM And Dickhead the Sweetness and Light trolls out another since the conspiracy bullshit is getting tiresome.........Now who will bite? Spaw |
Subject: RE: BS: Michael Moore - 9/11 could be inside job From: GUEST,sooo sweet Date: 19 Jul 07 - 09:04 PM And since Bush can't run for President again, can't he become Prime Minister of Canada? |
Subject: RE: BS: Michael Moore - 9/11 could be inside job From: Donuel Date: 19 Jul 07 - 09:02 PM Ebbie, I spent time from 1980 to 2000 painting one 16 sq ft canvass with two building exploding in orange flames, a airplane nearby and a tsunami offshore. A myriad of hands reach up to heaven from the city. It was bought by a couple in San Antonio and they called me after each disaster to exclaim their disbelief. My thinking was it was a portrayal of a pole shift of Earth's orbit. |
Subject: RE: BS: Michael Moore - 9/11 could be inside job From: GUEST,sooo sweet Date: 19 Jul 07 - 09:00 PM Canada should be very worried right now. Just one big "terror event" on a border city will drag Canada into America's nightmare FAST. the leaders of Canada, the US and Mexico already agreed to a North American Union (Waco, 2005), but how does one IMPLEMENT something that is sure to be so wildly unpopular? After all, the Americans can't be allowed to own guns if they can't in Mexico and Canada, and Canada and the US can't have a high standard of living if the peons in Mexico are starving, so how do you get the three nations suckered into giving away their sovereignties? Well, you tell Mexicans they're "reconquering" the southwest for Mexico, even as Mexico is absorbed into the North American Union, and you get Americans and Canadians to give up all vestiges of freedom. That second part means more terrorist attacks, and ones that will light a fire under Canada's ass. So...Detroit, Minneapolis? My yankee geography is fuzzy. Which city would serve that purpose? Chicago would be a good even-odds bet. The owner of the 3 destroyed World Trade Centers (Larry Silverstein) bought the Sears Tower with the money he made off the WTC insurance, and they've run "drills" of flying planes into the Sears Tower, so maybe a "dirty bomb" destroys the Sears tower when the wind is out of the south. Radioactivity is tracked into Canada and Ossama bin Laden takes credit for the attack in a morphed, 5-year-old video. Seriously, that's what I think is going to happen. Rupert Murdoch is buying the Dow Jones, so that leaves the Chicago Mercantile as the last semi-autonomous financial market in the US, so there will be hack attacks on the mercantile while the Sears Tower falls, and once again some goat herders will be blamed. As far as "who's behind it," it's not Ossama bin Laden or the US government. It's the people controlling the US and most other govts. Debt-backed fiat money systems have been the tool used to control societies for the past couple of hundred years, and now the US and Canada are going to be destroyed with those tools. Just as Europe was reorganized by the banking powers during the World Wars, and just as Russia was reorganized and China reorganized, it's now North America's turn. A gangster government has been installed in the U.S., and they aren't beholden to anyone but the military-industrial complex and the banks that fund it. And the immediate goal is the reduction of the first-world status of America and Canada to the third-world status of Mexico. Once that is achieved (and the pesky Bill of Rights is destroyed), the next phase will probably focus on South America (too much independence there). Then more consolidation, more destruction of national sovereignty, etc. I seriously think there will be an attack on a US/Canadian border city, and the citizens of both countries will be told it's in our interest to get rid of the border. |
Subject: RE: BS: Michael Moore - 9/11 could be inside job From: catspaw49 Date: 19 Jul 07 - 08:44 PM More of a physic really Ebbie, doncha' think? I know he kinda' gives me the shits sometimes......................(:<)) Spaw |
Subject: RE: BS: Michael Moore - 9/11 could be inside job From: Peace Date: 19 Jul 07 - 08:43 PM I think the options for choice of weapon is limited. A nuclear weapon would cause retaliation in kind--massive retaliation. (I think at a ratio of 10 to 1 and the strikes would include capital cities, seats of government, military bases and manufacturing centers. I say 10 to 1 because that's what I'd do. But then that's just me.) A gas attack in different areas of the US in an attempt to overuse and collapse the medical response system and trap Americans in their houses or places of work would engender a retaliation similar to that above or massive air bombardments using conventional weapons but on a scale never seen before. Terrorists think in terms of crippling political processes and populations. Damage is easy enough to inflict when you get to choose the time, place and method. Once that type of battle is joined, then the military gloves come off, and despite what folks think of Muslim extremists' willingness to meet Allah, the leaders don't want to any sooner than they have to. Subsequently, I would think that multiple targets using conventional explosives on large targets would be the likeliest scenario. Large oil plants, water supplies and transportation facilities. That attack will be meant to get at America's economic system and 'disallow' the US to respond with its own WMDs. The stock market was closed for about one week after 9/11. The drop in America's 'worth' was about seven percent. China picked up the slack. The USA cannot afford too much more of that. I think that's what they will go after. IMO. |
Subject: RE: BS: Michael Moore - 9/11 could be inside job From: robomatic Date: 19 Jul 07 - 08:29 PM I thank God every day it's only oil that comes out of the Mideast, not espresso. That would indeed be serious. |
Subject: RE: BS: Michael Moore - 9/11 could be inside job From: Ebbie Date: 19 Jul 07 - 08:20 PM I am glad that you are not psychic, Donuel. |
Subject: RE: BS: Michael Moore - 9/11 could be inside job From: Don Firth Date: 19 Jul 07 - 08:18 PM And due to sabotage at Starbuck's, Seattle will suddenly be without coffee. An entire major seaport to the Far East will doze off, and that will have a disastrous effect on the economy. Don Firth |
Subject: RE: BS: Michael Moore - 9/11 could be inside job From: Donuel Date: 19 Jul 07 - 08:05 PM OK OK OK you all want to know what its going to be including Chertoff. the magic 8 ball sez... Its going to be a nine pronged attack on US nuclear power plants at the outside coolant pipe locations. The out come will be that 2 of them will devestate its surrounding countryside with radiation. The 2 plants will be 3 mile island on the Susquehana and the Edison plant on the Hudson. While the total damage will be less than that of Chernobyl the dollar value loss will be 10,000 times greater. Of course the EPA stands by its statement that the public is in no danger from the safe leaks that occur over a 60 day period. The west coast will have a scare of a Charmin plant having its toilet paper laced with anthrax spores. The south west will have a motor vehical bomb scare when Homeland security shuts down Al Kayda's used car lot outside Phoenix. Kansas will be told that Al Qada has the means to generate tornados at will. And Florida will have another dubious election when Karl Rove wins the Governorship without even being on the ballot. |
Subject: RE: BS: Michael Moore - 9/11 could be inside job From: Ebbie Date: 19 Jul 07 - 07:16 PM Along those lines, Peace, on last night's Charlie Rose, investigative reporter Brian Ross amplified on the subject. He said that when Michael Chertoff, head of Homeland Security, said that he had a "gut feeling" that there would be another attack on the mainland before the year is out, what he was trying to say without saying it was that the 'chatter' points to something "bigger than 9/11". |
Subject: RE: BS: Michael Moore - 9/11 could be inside job From: Peace Date: 19 Jul 07 - 07:11 PM 'August 2001 - Israeli security issued urgent warning to CIA of large-scale terror attacks "ISRAELI intelligence officials say that they warned their counterparts in the United States last month that large-scale terrorist attacks on highly visible targets on the American mainland were imminent. The attacks on the World Trade Centre's twin towers and the Pentagon were humiliating blows to the intelligence services, which failed to foresee them, and to the defence forces of the most powerful nation in the world, which failed to deflect them. The Telegraph has learnt that two senior experts with Mossad, the Israeli military intelligence service, were sent to Washington in August to alert the CIA and FBI to the existence of a cell of as many of 200 terrorists said to be preparing a big operation. "They had no specific information about what was being planned but linked the plot to Osama bin Laden and told the Americans that there were strong grounds for suspecting Iraqi involvement," said a senior Israeli security official." - Telegraph (09/16/01)' |
Subject: RE: BS: Michael Moore - 9/11 could be inside job From: Peace Date: 19 Jul 07 - 06:27 PM I stand corrected on that. However, there was so little questioning done that it begs a few questions of its own, since government already had reason to suspect the complicity of bin Laden in anti-American activities.. |
Subject: RE: BS: Michael Moore - 9/11 could be inside job From: Ebbie Date: 19 Jul 07 - 06:00 PM By the way, Peace, snopes.com says that the bin Laden family were allowed to fly out on September 13. On that date the skies had been reopened. |
Subject: RE: BS: Michael Moore - 9/11 could be inside job From: CarolC Date: 19 Jul 07 - 05:11 PM I don't have any link for April, but here's the bio on the author of that part. I bet you could find a way to contact her and ask her how she got that information... Barbara Honegger, M.S. is Senior Military Affairs Journalist at the Naval Postgraduate School (1995−present), the Navy's advanced science, technology and national security affairs university. This research, as all of Honegger's research and publications on September 11, are solely in her capacity as a concerned private citizen and do not imply official endorsement. Honegger served as Special Assistant to the Assistant to the President and White House Policy Analyst (1981−83); was the pioneering Irangate author and whistleblower on the October Surprise (October Surprise, Tudor, 1989; and Iran−Contra expose documentary film "Cover−Up"); and was called as a researcher / witness at both the October 23, 2004, and August 27, 2005, Los Angeles Citizens 9/11 Grand Jury hearings held atPatriotic Hall in Los Angeles, Calif. Much of the information and analysis contained in this evidence summary was presented at the L.A. Citizens Grand Jury hearings and at the 9/11 Emergency Truth Convergence conference held at American University in Washington, D.C. in July, 2005. |
Subject: RE: BS: Michael Moore - 9/11 could be inside job From: Peace Date: 19 Jul 07 - 05:07 PM NIST says that the building (one of them) fell in 9 seconds. Freefall would take about 8.5 seconds. Ipso facto, there was little 'structure' to impede the fall of the building. I want to know where the hell the internal structure went to. |
Subject: RE: BS: Michael Moore - 9/11 could be inside job From: Little Hawk Date: 19 Jul 07 - 05:06 PM Me neither. |
Subject: RE: BS: Michael Moore - 9/11 could be inside job From: Peace Date: 19 Jul 07 - 05:05 PM LH, I really don't know. |
Subject: RE: BS: Michael Moore - 9/11 could be inside job From: Peace Date: 19 Jul 07 - 05:04 PM "NIST's findings do not support the "pancake theory" of collapse, which is premised on a progressive failure of the floor systems in the WTC towers (the composite floor system—that connected the core columns and the perimeter columns—consisted of a grid of steel "trusses" integrated with a concrete slab; see diagram below). Instead, the NIST investigation showed conclusively that the failure of the inwardly bowed perimeter columns initiated collapse and that the occurrence of this inward bowing required the sagging floors to remain connected to the columns and pull the columns inwards. Thus, the floors did not fail progressively to cause a pancaking phenomenon." NIST itself disagrees with the pancake theory. So once again, what caused the pulverization of the cement floors? (Did your dog ever get a bone he just wouldn't leave alone--I said bone, no bone on--because to me a serious answer to the question of the cement dust is central to understanding the collapse cause. |
Subject: RE: BS: Michael Moore - 9/11 could be inside job From: Little Hawk Date: 19 Jul 07 - 05:03 PM Okay. Let's hear your best guess as to what did that, Peace. |
Subject: RE: BS: Michael Moore - 9/11 could be inside job From: Peace Date: 19 Jul 07 - 05:01 PM LH, that doesn't explain the 3"-deep cement dust all over the place after the collapses. |
Subject: RE: BS: Michael Moore - 9/11 could be inside job From: CarolC Date: 19 Jul 07 - 05:00 PM I can't see how ANYONE could fail to recognize truth. One would have to have serious attachment to one's own version of fantasy. This one cuts both ways. |