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BS: Michael Moore - 9/11 could be inside job

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Subject: RE: BS: Michael Moore - 9/11 could be inside job
From: CarolC
Date: 19 Jul 07 - 12:30 PM

So that is what guides your beliefs and clouds your ability to accept. With a preconceived notion, you are simply arguing for the sake of arguing. You are projecting your own bullshit into the cut and pastign you are doing.   This negates any contribution you are trying to make.

This requires a colossal assumption on your part. And you make this assumption because of your own preconceived notions which clouds your ability to think objectively about anything relating to this subject.

In order to make these statements, you first have to assume that my notions are preconceived. You must first assume that I haven't arrived at the opinions I hold now as a result of several years of reading and researching on my own. And you have to assume that you know what my beliefs were to start with. This is information you don't have. The very nature of your assumptions shows us that your own personal bias on this issue makes you not credible when you try to point fingers at other people's bias or what you consider to be their lack of credibility.


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Subject: RE: BS: Michael Moore - 9/11 could be inside job
From: beardedbruce
Date: 19 Jul 07 - 12:28 PM

"I have proof that there is no proof that it was an airplane"

No, I do not agree.

You have information that, if true, would open the possibility that there was no plane- I have information that tells me there was a plane- (wreckage, bodies, engines with serial numbers, the ONE frame of video from the security camera, eyewitnesses). This may or may not be true- JUST as your information may or may not be true.

I believe that the information I have seen reflects a better picture of what happened than your information does.

You probably believe the opposite- THAT IS NOT PROOF.


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Subject: RE: BS: Michael Moore - 9/11 could be inside job
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 19 Jul 07 - 12:26 PM

They have not show us the proof other than words.


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Subject: RE: BS: Michael Moore - 9/11 could be inside job
From: CarolC
Date: 19 Jul 07 - 12:25 PM

You can't have proof that there is no proof when there are witnesses saying they have proof. That is the proof!

There are eyewitness who say they have proof of the opposite. Is that proof also?


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Subject: RE: BS: Michael Moore - 9/11 could be inside job
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 19 Jul 07 - 12:24 PM

"Well, the problem with this, Ron, is that my main belief is that we can't trust the official version of events"

So that is what guides your beliefs and clouds your ability to accept. With a preconceived notion, you are simply arguing for the sake of arguing. You are projecting your own bullshit into the cut and pastign you are doing.   This negates any contribution you are trying to make.


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Subject: RE: BS: Michael Moore - 9/11 could be inside job
From: CarolC
Date: 19 Jul 07 - 12:24 PM

Please identify the group you think is really behind the ultimate conspiracy.

If I were to try to speculate (note I said "speculate", not declare as fact), I would say probably a cooperative enterprise involving the military industrial complex (remember, Eisenhower warned us about them), the petroleum industry, the Neocons, and possible the governments of some foreign countries. The first two for economic reasons, the second two for balance of power reasons as well as possibly economic reasons.


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Subject: RE: BS: Michael Moore - 9/11 could be inside job
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 19 Jul 07 - 12:21 PM

"I have proof that there is no proof that it was an airplane. "

You can't have proof that there is no proof when there are witnesses saying they have proof. That is the proof!


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Subject: RE: BS: Michael Moore - 9/11 could be inside job
From: Peace
Date: 19 Jul 07 - 12:19 PM

"C4 pulverized the floors"

If indeed there WERE any explosives used, I would suspect it would have been a mixture of cyclotrimethylene-trinitramine and pentaerythritol-tetranitrate which are the explosive ingredients of a substance sold commercially under the name Semtex.

Primacord (pentaerythritol tetranitrate) detonates at about 8,000 feet per second. In other words, it blows up real fast--a mile and a half per second is fast. (I have not kept up my reading on explosives and it's possible that the blast rate of Primacord is somewhat slower than the figure I've given. But I do know that there is a type of Primacord out now that DOES fire at the rate of 8,000'/second.)

Semtex usually has ethylene glycol dinitrate added as a detection taggant, but the material can be made without the tag added to it. However, I would suspect that even today, if materials from the Towers were made available to a lab, and the lab was instructed to LOOK for the presence of a Semtex residue, it could be determined whether it was present in the Towers as far back as September 11, 2001. But I don't think that's gonna happen anytime soon.

Something turned the cement floors to dust. Without suggesting that the NIST report missed it on purpose (if you ain't looking for explosives, y'ain't gonna FIND explosives, and the investigators at the time would have had no reason to suspect the Towers to have fallen because of explosives), and without suggesting that there was any malfeasance on their part, why would it be so difficult for NIST to check today? But I don't think that's gonna happen anytime soon either.

"Three pounds of Semtex plastique packs enough punch to raze a two-story building."

Food for thought.

And before anyone gets all nutso, let me ask this: Why NOT test for the assortment of explosive available for use these days? It would sure shut down this type of speculation--OR open a door that officialdom would love to keep closed.


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Subject: RE: BS: Michael Moore - 9/11 could be inside job
From: CarolC
Date: 19 Jul 07 - 12:18 PM

It requires belief to accept the versions that you and toots sweet are cutting and pasting from.

Well, the problem with this, Ron, is that my main belief is that we can't trust the official version of events. That's my main contention. I don't know what happened. I just know that we can't believe the official version of events. For you to suggest that I have even said that I think I know what happened shows that you haven't been reading my posts at all and you are just projecting your own bullshit onto me. Please stop it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Michael Moore - 9/11 could be inside job
From: CarolC
Date: 19 Jul 07 - 12:15 PM

YOU have no proof that it wasn't an airplane, and YOU have no proof that it was a missile.

I have proof that there is no proof that it was an airplane. That, along with the number of anomalies, as well as the number of conflicting testimonies that we see, as well as the fact that the Bush administration is using this event as the core of its aggressive, bloody, and illegal foreign policy and it's illegal and unconstitutional domestic policy, proves to us that we need independent, peer reviewed investigations.

And since you consider bias a criteria for discounting anything anyone says, we can automatically discount anything whatever that comes out of the NIST, since all of those people are Bush appointees. They work for the Bush administration. They answer to the Bush administration. It's the Fox in charge of the investigation into why the chickens all disappeared.


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Subject: RE: BS: Michael Moore - 9/11 could be inside job
From: Big Mick
Date: 19 Jul 07 - 12:09 PM

So Donuel, you going to send me those links, instead of leaving the conspiracy laced implication that somehow proof is disappearing? I stand ready to post them for you to either prove or disprove that they are mysteriously disappearing.

Mick


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Subject: RE: BS: Michael Moore - 9/11 could be inside job
From: Donuel
Date: 19 Jul 07 - 11:59 AM

Carol, "and what about this?

that particular tube vid is blatently absurd.

The most compelling vid pertaining to media warping was the BBC reporting of bld 7 coming down 5 minutes before it came down in the background of a live reporter telling us that it had already come down.


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Subject: RE: BS: Michael Moore - 9/11 could be inside job
From: beardedbruce
Date: 19 Jul 07 - 11:45 AM

LH,,

I agree.


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Subject: RE: BS: Michael Moore - 9/11 could be inside job
From: Little Hawk
Date: 19 Jul 07 - 11:43 AM

BB - "As long as the determination of truth is by one's political preferences, there can be NO FAIR investigation. "

Yeah. How about that, eh? Matter of fact, BB, that's the way it always is when these things happen, and that's why we virtually NEVER get a fair and impartial investigation of anything nor do we get a full and honest disclosure of all the available evidence. People are covering their own asses, and they are pushing their own agenda.

The same tends to be true in many criminal investigations. Both the prosecution and the defense will stoop to any manipulative tactic they can legally get away with in order to push their particular agenda...and secure a "win" from their point of view.

It's a disease of this entire competition-obsessed culture. Winning and being seen to win is all that counts.

It is likewise the same disease that corrupts every debate on this forum... I keep pointing that out, because it's so blatant, but most people only seem to see it when the "other guy" is doing it. Perhaps that is because they are constitutionally incapable of engaging in self-criticism or self-analysis? ;-) Well, I don't know, but it's certainly something to witness.


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Subject: RE: BS: Michael Moore - 9/11 could be inside job
From: GUEST,undertheradar
Date: 19 Jul 07 - 09:58 AM

Let's cut away the rubbish. If you believe that 9/11 was a "bipartisan" "inside job," you must believe that the U.S. Government that we see is a giant front for a vast conspiracy we don't see. And anyone in the public eye as a high government official is likely to be a mer tool of the real puppet-masters, whose low profile gives them nearly infallible control over Congress, the Executive, the Judiciary, the military, and the media.

The conspirators must be more far more subtle than Hitler or Stalin because Hitler and Stalin made sure people *knew* who was in charge.

Please identify the group you think is really behind the ultimate conspiracy.


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Subject: RE: BS: Michael Moore - 9/11 could be inside job
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 19 Jul 07 - 09:35 AM

"The laws of physics were defied'

No, they were not.

"you have to wonder just WHY some people push the government's version of events so ardently"

You have to wonder why some people are so hung up on "government's" version, as if ANYTHING they tell us is AUTOMATICALLY a lie. No one is saying to trust ANYONE, but use logic and common sense. You see it one way, the majority of people see it another way.


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Subject: RE: BS: Michael Moore - 9/11 could be inside job
From: GUEST,sooo sweet
Date: 19 Jul 07 - 09:26 AM

The laws of physics were defied, according to what the government "reported" about 9/11. No "belief" necessary to see that the laws of physics were defied. The government owes us an accounting, not a coverup.

And this has nothing to do with politics. A "bipartisan" commission covered up the crime.

"Beyond a reasonable doubt" is the yardstick in criminal cases. There is a reasonable doubt here.

If the Bush/Pelosi crime cabal isn't held accountable for this crime (they've already parlayed it into "perpetual war" and loss of American citizenship for "suspected terrorists"), and if they're not held accountable for the crime of 9/11, America will be killed.

Knowing that, you have to wonder just WHY some people push the government's version of events so ardently.


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Subject: RE: BS: Michael Moore - 9/11 could be inside job
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 19 Jul 07 - 09:11 AM

"It requires belief to accept the official version of events."

It requires belief to accept the versions that you and toots sweet are cutting and pasting from.   ALL versions require belief as well as the ability to reason.   Carol has not convinced any of us of her beliefs, and we won't convince her of ours. You can keep asking questions on where the elephant came from or how the magician sawed the lady in half, but you see what you want to see.

You ask a lot of questions, but fail to give answers.


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Subject: RE: BS: Michael Moore - 9/11 could be inside job
From: beardedbruce
Date: 19 Jul 07 - 07:36 AM

"They have no proof that it wasn't a missile, and they have no proof that it was an airplane."

YOU have no proof that it wasn't an airplane, and YOU have no proof that it was a missile.



So what? That makes no difference to what actually occurred. I have no proof that anything you state is true, and you have none that what I say is true. As long as the determination of truth is by one's political prefernces, there can be NO FAIR investigation.


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Subject: RE: BS: Michael Moore - 9/11 could be inside job
From: GUEST,sooo sweet
Date: 19 Jul 07 - 03:35 AM

Firth had a post a while back about 'transformers' being responsible. I read a while back that a lot of new 'transformers' and 'big computers' were being loaded into the towers in the weeks before 9/11. Firth may be right about transformer-like devices being responsible. Big boxes that looked like tranformers and mainframes being moved into a half-vacated office building...could have been C4. Thermate cut the steel, C4 pulverized the floors.

There's an article or two out there about people commenting on the 'transformers' being upgraded before the attacks. If they were hermetically sealed, not even bomb sniffing dogs would've know what was inside them.

Interesting film on the 'no planes' theory. I've stayed away from that just because the govt hasn't explained the obvious, like how the laws of physics and aerodynamics were violated. Until they do that, everything else is secondary. Wouldn't violate "national security" to look into those simple questions.


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Subject: RE: BS: Michael Moore - 9/11 could be inside job
From: Peace
Date: 19 Jul 07 - 03:00 AM

Has anyone hit a site that explains just how the cement floors were turned into dust? A non-NIST site that is?


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Subject: RE: BS: Michael Moore - 9/11 could be inside job
From: GUEST,sooo sweet
Date: 19 Jul 07 - 02:34 AM

David Ray Griffin says:

Almost Free-Fall Speed: Buildings brought down by controlled demolition collapse at almost free-fall speed. This can occur because the supports for the lower floors are destroyed, so that when the upper floors come down, they encounter no resistance. The fact that the collapses of the towers mimicked this feature of controlled demolition was mentioned indirectly by The 9/11 Commission Report, which said that the "South Tower collapsed in 10 seconds" (Kean and Hamilton, 2004, p. 305).[22] The authors of the report evidently thought that the rapidity of this collapse did not conflict with the official theory, known as the "pancake" theory. According to this theory, the floors above the floors that were weakened by the impact of the airliner fell on the floor below, which started a chain reaction, so that the floors "pancaked" all the way down.

But if that is what happened, the lower floors, with all their steel and concrete, would have provided resistance. The upper floors could not have fallen through them at the same speed as they would fall through air. However, the videos of the collapses show that the rubble falling inside the building's profile falls at the same speed as the rubble outside[23] (Jones, 2006). As Dave Heller, a builder with degrees in physics and architecture, explains:

the floors could not have been pancaking. The buildings fell too quickly. The floors must all have been falling simultaneously to reach the ground in such a short amount of time. But how?. . . In [the method known as controlled demolition], each floor of a building is destroyed at just the moment the floor above is about to strike it. Thus, the floors fall simultaneously, and in virtual freefall. (Garlic and Glass 6)

Total Collapse: The official theory is even more decisively ruled out by the fact that the collapses were total: These 110-story buildings collapsed into piles of rubble only a few stories high. How was that possible? The core of each tower contained 47 massive steel box columns.[24] According to the pancake theory, the horizontal steel supports broke free from the vertical columns. But if that is what had happened, the 47 core columns would have still been standing. The 9/11 Commission came up with a bold solution to this problem. It simply denied the existence of the 47 core columns, saying: "The interior core of the buildings was a hollow steel shaft, in which elevators and stairwells were grouped" (Kean and Hamilton, 2004, 541 note 1). Voila! With no 47 core columns, the main problem is removed.

The NIST Report handled this most difficult problem by claiming that when the floors collapsed, they pulled on the columns, causing the perimeter columns to become unstable. This instability then increased the gravity load on the core columns, which had been weakened by tremendously hot fires in the core, which, NIST claims, reached 1832°F, and this combination of factors somehow produced "global collapse" (NIST, 2005, pp. 28, 143).

This theory faces two problems. First, NIST's claim about tremendously hot fires in the core is completely unsupported by evidence. As we saw earlier, its own studies found no evidence that any of the core columns had reached temperatures of even 482°F (250˚C), so its theory involves a purely speculative addition of over 1350°F.[25] Second, even if this sequence of events had occurred, NIST provides no explanation as to why it would have produced global—-that is, total--collapse. The NIST Report asserts that "column failure" occurred in the core as well as the perimeter columns. But this remains a bare assertion. There is no plausible explanation of why the columns would have broken or even buckled, so as to produce global collapse at virtually free-fall speed, even if they had reached such temperatures.[26]

http://911review.com/articles/griffin/nyc1.html

The "free fall" issue is addressed on the debunking sites that Olesko and the others parrot, and that's why I like Griffin's work. His last book debunked the debunkers. He tore up the Popular Mechanics junk science piece and 3 other "deunking" reports.


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Subject: RE: BS: Michael Moore - 9/11 could be inside job
From: CarolC
Date: 19 Jul 07 - 02:20 AM

And what about this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_ySSJ_L6Zs


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Subject: RE: BS: Michael Moore - 9/11 could be inside job
From: CarolC
Date: 19 Jul 07 - 02:16 AM

And why didn't the floors that were above the floors where the planes allegedly crashed remain intact? Surely they could have ridden on down to the bottom on the cushion of the floors below as they collapsed without turning to dust. Where did the top floors go?


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Subject: RE: BS: Michael Moore - 9/11 could be inside job
From: Peace
Date: 19 Jul 07 - 02:11 AM

Stop asking questions like that. The official report says that's what happened--so, that's what happened. Physics be damned!


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Subject: RE: BS: Michael Moore - 9/11 could be inside job
From: GUEST,sooo sweet
Date: 19 Jul 07 - 02:10 AM

Why didn't the dozens of floors, impacted one by one as the buildings fell, slow the speed of descent?

Why didn't the tens of thousands of steel bolts locking the floors to hundreds of steel columns slow the descent to less than freefall speed?


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Subject: RE: BS: Michael Moore - 9/11 could be inside job
From: CarolC
Date: 19 Jul 07 - 02:09 AM

"DC channel 7 for tapes of their 9-11 coverage that included 2 witness' saying they saw a plane come in to the helicopter landing area."

There are also witnesses who said they saw a small passenger plane (could easily have been a missile), and people who said they saw a thing that looked like a missile with wings and a tail. There are quite a few different kinds of witness accounts. It requires belief to accept the official version of events.


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Subject: RE: BS: Michael Moore - 9/11 could be inside job
From: CarolC
Date: 19 Jul 07 - 02:06 AM

Many people all over the world witness that they have a belief in 'God'...

Belief is all the people promoting the official version have as well. They have no proof that it wasn't a missile, and they have no proof that it was an airplane. Unless they'd like to release the video tapes taken by the security cameras at the hotel across the road. Maybe they have proof it was an airplane. Or maybe they have proof that it was a missile, and that's why they don't want to release them. But what I saw in the Pentagon video definitely wasn't a Boeing 757.


Inertia would have tended to NOT bounce crap all over the lawn at a distance, but carry it forward towards the building.

Some of the witnesses said there was no plane wreckage in the building. And there were also people who said there was no plane wreckage outside the building. No plane wreckage inside... no plane wreckage outside.


3 - brick walls tend to be rather thick

So are concrete floors in high rise buildings.


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Subject: RE: BS: Michael Moore - 9/11 could be inside job
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 19 Jul 07 - 01:03 AM

"So why did the towers fall so fast?"

1) Gravity

2) s = 1/2 a t2 (from memory) where a = accel due to gravity...


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Subject: RE: BS: Michael Moore - 9/11 could be inside job
From: GUEST,sooo sweet
Date: 19 Jul 07 - 12:42 AM

So why did the towers fall so fast? The government said something about a pancake theory (impossible), then Firth talked about cartoon characters being responsible, but what REALLY happened? I missed the explanation, if it was back there.

http://www.klangundkleid.ch/img/dvd/covers/SWD151.jpg


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Subject: RE: BS: Michael Moore - 9/11 could be inside job
From: Peace
Date: 18 Jul 07 - 10:20 PM

OPINIONS? Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh . . . .

Just missed the ol' 355/113.


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Subject: RE: BS: Michael Moore - 9/11 could be inside job
From: Little Hawk
Date: 18 Jul 07 - 10:16 PM

Heh!


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Subject: RE: BS: Michael Moore - 9/11 could be inside job
From: Don Firth
Date: 18 Jul 07 - 10:15 PM

Aw, c'mon, Little Hawk! Certainly stand-up comics can and do have opinions. But just because they say something doesn't mean that's really their opinion. Their profession is to make you laugh, remember?

A priest, a rabbi, and a minister walk into a bar. The bartender says, "Say, what is this? Some kind of joke!??"

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Michael Moore - 9/11 could be inside job
From: Peace
Date: 18 Jul 07 - 10:04 PM

Well, I for one think that standup comedians shouldn't have onions. Get down-wind of these guys and gals when they fart and it nothing to laugh about. Gag, yes, but laugh, no.


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Subject: RE: BS: Michael Moore - 9/11 could be inside job
From: Little Hawk
Date: 18 Jul 07 - 09:51 PM

Are you saying that stand-up comics shouldn't be allowed to have opinions, sir? ;-) Is that what you're saying? So...what is your profession, pray tell?


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Subject: RE: BS: Michael Moore - 9/11 could be inside job
From: Don Firth
Date: 18 Jul 07 - 08:52 PM

Wow! A stand-up comic says so! Well, that settles it!

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Michael Moore - 9/11 could be inside job
From: GUEST,sooo sweet
Date: 18 Jul 07 - 08:38 PM

Hey! They did it again. Handle hijackers. Hanjour lives.

Janeane Garofalo has just said "9/11 was an inside job" on television. Always knew she was a smart lady.


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Subject: RE: BS: Michael Moore - 9/11 could be inside job
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 18 Jul 07 - 07:41 PM

"witnesses believe it was a cruise missile. There are many such witnesses."

Many people all over the world witness that they have a belief in 'God'...

"if a Boeing 757 had hit the building, either there would have been wing-shaped holes in the building"

I've already pointed out the short 'triangular sides' section of the entry hole.

"would have been wings or wing wreckage on the lawn"

Inertia would have tended to NOT bounce crap all over the lawn at a distance, but carry it forward towards the building.

"Planes ARE NOT MADE OF STEEL."

The bits also burn VERY well - just look at the after pictures of any plane crash that burned.

"accept aluminum going through steel and concrete but not limestone and brick."

1 - visual evidence.

2 - the 'steel' was not very thick.

3 - brick walls tend to be rather thick, and have you ever tried to demolish one with a sledgehammer? I have.


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Subject: RE: BS: Michael Moore - 9/11 could be inside job
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 18 Jul 07 - 07:19 PM

ooops... that was my post at 7:02, I lost my cookie


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Subject: RE: BS: Michael Moore - 9/11 could be inside job
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 18 Jul 07 - 07:19 PM

"DC channel 7 for tapes of their 9-11 coverage that included 2 witness' saying they saw a plane come in to the helicopter landing area."

I mentioned about the alleged 'chopper crash' here before...


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Subject: RE: BS: Michael Moore - 9/11 could be inside job
From: Peace
Date: 18 Jul 07 - 07:18 PM

Well, you watch yer back. It's dangerous work you're in at times. Big money doesn't like unions.


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Subject: RE: BS: Michael Moore - 9/11 could be inside job
From: Big Mick
Date: 18 Jul 07 - 07:16 PM

And you are another old fart...........***guffaw****.

I am fine, Bruce, just a bit preoccupied with doing battle with the forces of godless capitalism. Working with packing/slaughterhouse workers organizing. If you think "The Jungle" is not relevant anymore, I'm here to tell you it is.

Anyway, the links I am referring to are the ones that Donuel says disappeared. If they did, or if they didn't, I will be happy to post them for him, using my mystical elf powers, and if they disappear on me, then he has a case. But he implies something in his post that suits him to have them disappear. I want to put that to bed.

So send 'em, Don. Let me make sure that they get posted. And I have checked (once again using my mystical elf powers) and there have been no deletions from this thread.

Back to lurking,

Mick


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Subject: RE: BS: Michael Moore - 9/11 could be inside job
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 18 Jul 07 - 07:13 PM

"who you gonna believe, me or your lyin' eyes???"

I'm unlikely to place much credence in someone who insists on being anonymous, who keeps constantly changing identifying handles, and seems to be obsessed with posting large amounts of 'X-Files' weird shit on a Music Forum...


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Subject: RE: BS: Michael Moore - 9/11 could be inside job
From: Peace
Date: 18 Jul 07 - 06:32 PM

Yeah. Riiiigggggggghhhhhhhttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttt!


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Subject: RE: BS: Michael Moore - 9/11 could be inside job
From: Little Hawk
Date: 18 Jul 07 - 06:22 PM

I've had numerous posts vanish when I hit "submit". Damn frustrating. But you can recover them if you remember to go "back" right away. If not, you're shit outta luck. I don't interpret it as a conspiracy, though, I interpret it as a software glitch.


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Subject: RE: BS: Michael Moore - 9/11 could be inside job
From: Peace
Date: 18 Jul 07 - 06:09 PM

What links you talkin' about? And how are ya ya ol' fart?


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Subject: RE: BS: Michael Moore - 9/11 could be inside job
From: Big Mick
Date: 18 Jul 07 - 06:07 PM

Put up or shut up, folks. Send me the links, I will see to it they are posted.

And Bill, sometimes it suits folks not to solve a problem. Plays into the point they are trying to make.

Mick


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Subject: RE: BS: Michael Moore - 9/11 could be inside job
From: Peace
Date: 18 Jul 07 - 05:59 PM

Bill D,

I've done the same (it's not just you) and yes, the back thing works.


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Subject: RE: BS: Michael Moore - 9/11 could be inside job
From: Peace
Date: 18 Jul 07 - 05:53 PM

It doesn't matter who votes, it matters who counts the ballots.

Joe Stalin


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Subject: RE: BS: Michael Moore - 9/11 could be inside job
From: Bill D
Date: 18 Jul 07 - 05:52 PM

just in response to the 'vanishing posts' problem...which crops up every now & then.

I, myself, have hit 'submit' and had a post seem to vanish--that is, the thread did not refresh and when I clicked on the thread again, my post was not there.

I am thinking it has something to do with cache management in the browser, because *I* solve it by going 'back' in my browser....IF I haven't closed it, the text I typed is still there, and I just copy it (or even cut it) to the clipboard, then reload..(NOT refresh), Mudcat...go to the thread and repost it.
This has not failed once since I first tried it....it is just some technical thing about either my browser or Mudcat's refresh controls.


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