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Whitby Folk Week 2007!/How'd it go?

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Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week 2007!
From: GUEST
Date: 23 Aug 07 - 11:00 AM

100!!!!

Went yesterday and saw some very good sessions in the Fleece, Board and Fishermaen's rowing club

Cookieless Gillie


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Subject: RE: How's Whitby FF doing?
From: GUEST,whitbywhitby
Date: 23 Aug 07 - 11:44 AM

WHY is it necessary to start a FOURTH thread on this year's festival?
    Far more than four, I'm afraid. I combined some, but there's still a lot.
    -Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: How's Whitby FF doing?
From: nutty
Date: 23 Aug 07 - 12:35 PM

Got home in the early hours of the morning having stayed late to see the Unthank girls in concert.

They just get better and better everytime I see them and I was there when Rachel sang her first song in public (one she pinched from her dad of course).

In a hot crowded room they brought a freshness to the tradition that won the hearts of everyone there. The musicianship was superb, the interpretation refreshingly different and the clog dancing so professional that nobody could fail to realise just how long Rachel and Becky had been around the folk scene.

Apologies to Tony Hall and Trio Threlfall but these 4 girls were the highlight of the concert for me. If you haven't yet seen them - you should.

If there is a problem with numerous threads - perhaps Joe could merge them.


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Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week 2007!/How's it doing?
From: Gillie
Date: 23 Aug 07 - 09:48 PM

Thanks Joe,

Appreciate that you are doing your best. Could be a consipisary somewhere.

Wish that the spell check tread came up again ;-)


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Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week 2007!/How's it doing?
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 24 Aug 07 - 05:07 AM

I enjoyed my couple of days there, in spite of the mist!
Good sessions too, I especially enjoyed the Computer Song as sung by Lyn Heraud and Pat Turner at the Wednesday evening session at the Station Hotel. Hilarious song, and those girls just get better and better every time I hear them.
Jack misbehaved at the Shirt and Shanty session in the Endeavour earlier too. Good luck with him Severn.
Giok


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Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week 2007!/How's it doing?
From: Black Diamond
Date: 24 Aug 07 - 05:50 AM

I had a great time for the two days I could make it, last saturday and Sunday. Yes Banjoflower, it was a good session in The Elsinore Saturday night, thanks for posting about it earlier.
Paul Scourfields and George Garsides "led" sessions on Sunday were as always great, though its a pity George cant have a bigger room than Middle Earth - its always so full and popular you have to fight for space.
We managed to get in at the last minute on Moor and Coast campsite (it was friday before we knew we could definately go for the weekend) and we must pass on that you couldnt have had nicer stewards, the two blokes bent over backwards (not literallY!!) to sort us out, the campsite was flat, dry and quiet (well during the times we were there anyway, although I must admit we missed hearing the "goings on" during the latter part of the night that someone asked us if we had heard - we must have been asleep, shame!!!
We met lots of old friends and made some new ones, and the whole Whitby experience was just great, as ever.
Lin


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Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week 2007!/How's it doing?
From: GUEST,Buspassed
Date: 24 Aug 07 - 07:43 AM

Surely somebody saw the Mike Waterson/Lou Killen concert at the Met?


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Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week 2007!/How's it doing?
From: GUEST,buspassed
Date: 24 Aug 07 - 11:39 AM

In view of Eliza Carthy, Mike Waterson ,Lou Killen, the Elsdons, Spiers & Boden, Jim Causley and the Devils Interval etc. all appearing through the week it's nice to know the campsite was satisfactory!

Thanks Nutty for the RU & W report, still to see them live though I think they're appearing in London next month so that could be a chance. Still in two minds about the new album, some of the ponderous piano does nothing for those distinctive voices. I do think, and I'm sure they would acknowledge the fact, their work owes a lot to that of the Waterson women , especially Lal.


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Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week 2007!/How's it doing?
From: Pistachio
Date: 25 Aug 07 - 09:38 AM

I had a great day - when I eventually reached Whitby (2.5 hours)! Traffic and Bank Holiday road works (!!!) around Scarborough caused me and Linda to take a scenic landscape route around the hamlet of Silpho. Thank goodness Linda knew the area.
Thank you Whitby. We made it to singarounds in The Station and Endeavour, met loads of happy smiling friends and obviously missed loads of others! Hope you all had as good a time.

I brought the sunshine back from Spain specially for you - it will hopefully hang around for a while now!

We enjoyed the concert up at the Met before heading home, later than planned - and in better time southbound (1.25 hours).
Now to prepare for Hull Maritime Festival - Sea Fever 1 - 2 Sep!
Hope to see some of you there.

Hazel.


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Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week 2007!/How's it doing?
From: Mo the caller
Date: 25 Aug 07 - 11:54 AM

Just home, singing in the car all the way.
Only complaint, as ever, can't get to everything. especially if you like a bit of dancing / playing / singing and concert going.


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Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week 2007!/How's it doing?
From: GUEST
Date: 25 Aug 07 - 03:01 PM

Hi busspassed, I did see Mike and Lou in the Metropole and they were fantastic as expected. A great combination of humour and political comment as you would also expect. It was wonderful to see them together.
I had a great time at Whitby and two other highlights for me were Sam Lee singing a version of the Jew's Garden accompanied by Michael Wright on Jews harp (absolutely stunning!!) and meeting Lucinde who is marrying Graham Metcalf in September. They look so happy together and I wsh them bith well. Flyingcat (Moira)


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Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week 2007!/How's it doing?
From: Mrs.Duck
Date: 25 Aug 07 - 03:43 PM

Got home and fell asleep. All those 2am finishes caught up with me! Singing in the Station as brilliant as ever. Saw Severn briefly but managed to miss Jack (tee hee! Can't wait until next year.


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Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week 2007!/How's it doing?
From: GUEST,bobcat
Date: 25 Aug 07 - 03:53 PM

Hi! just back from Whitby. In response to an earlier entry..Those girls fron Nova Scotia, Debbie and Bonnie plus Carol and Donnie were to be found in The Fleece in the afternoons and The Friendship in the evenings with their mates Keepersfold and Peter Taylor having a great time...so many new friends to be made.Hi to friends from Holland and John..
Now Whitby is sadly over for the year, hasten to Leeds on Friday Sept 7 and 8 for the Leeds Folk Event..details on www.peter-taylorfolksinger.co.uk


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Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week 2007!/How's it doing?
From: GUEST,re last entry
Date: 25 Aug 07 - 04:04 PM

Just tested that website..missed a hyphen.
www.peter-taylor-folksinger.co.uk.

Forgot to say had a brill week..especially enjoyed Trio Threlfall, looking forward to their new Cd.Thank you to May and her whistle workshop..dynamic lady. See you next year.Great session in the Fleece as mentioned. I would like more slow sessions for those just getting to grips with their instrument. George Garside's was packed, couldn't manage to squeeze in. it would be great to have such a session/workshop everyday next year (request). Well done to Sam for the daily wailer and to all the rest of the team in the background.


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Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week 2007!/How's it doing?
From: croc
Date: 25 Aug 07 - 04:19 PM

Lovely time as always. Thanks to Judith for running such lively, friendly sessions in the Station and Jim and Graham in the Endeavour. Moor and Coast guys were fantastic. If only it weren't a whole year away....
croc


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Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week 2007!/How's it doing?
From: Amos
Date: 25 Aug 07 - 04:35 PM

I am dying to know whether anyone at the Station sang their new pub song about the fine redecoration, jolly crew, and good times singing.

A


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Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week 2007!/How's it doing?
From: Mrs.Duck
Date: 25 Aug 07 - 06:00 PM

Didn't hear them Amos but the words were printed in large print on the wall.


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Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week 2007!/How's it doing?
From: Surreysinger
Date: 25 Aug 07 - 06:21 PM

Got back from my week away about four hours ago ... and wouldn't you believe the change in the weather yesterday??? Highlights for me were... first choice,same as Moira ...Sam Lee and Michael Wright's version of The Jews Garden at the Football Club In the Tradition concert on Weds (??) - an absolutely stunning and intense performance, which took the breath away from audience, and (talking to both later in the week) from the performers as well ... the films in the Museum Lecture room (just as last year)..Finbar Wall's rendition of his "Gout" song, the Four Star Trio, and any and every of the In the Tradition concerts (but particularly the closing night one!!) Now all I need is another week to recover from singing away until stupid o'clock even on the night when I should have been packing to get out of the flat before 10 am in the morning!!!


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Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week 2007!/How's it doing?
From: Soldier boy
Date: 25 Aug 07 - 08:51 PM

Home now. Cream crackered!
What a great week. It makes me smile just to think about it.
Main venues for me were The Fleece and Station Tavern (ex-Tap and Spile) Lot more inclusive and welcoming in the Station Tavern than in previous years. Well done new owners and long may it continue.


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Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week 2007!/How's it doing?
From: dozy rozy
Date: 26 Aug 07 - 03:19 AM

Hear hear , Soldier boy. Now get back to the barracks, before the wife finds out you sneaked away.


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Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week 2007!/How's it doing?
From: GUEST,Jerry O'Reilly
Date: 26 Aug 07 - 06:18 AM

A brilliant week. Highlight for me was "Throwing off the shackles", songs of opression in the Yacht Club. Well run and great contributions from the floor.


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Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week 2007!/How's it doing?
From: Mo the caller
Date: 26 Aug 07 - 07:55 AM

Highlights :-
422 (exciting as a solo act and you couldn't help dancing to them. It was interesting that many of their dance tunes were 'bog standard' session tunes, but worked so well.)
Knotted Chord (with their 100+ reels, all very danceable)
CHARM (separately and together)
George Garside
The dance callers - Geoff Cubbitt, Hilary Herbert, Barbara Kinsman, Colin Hume, Martyn Harvey (IAO, excellent and clear)
Tom McConville & friends
Damian and Shona (and the masterful way Damian shut up the chatterers at the Metropole Bar)
Alastair Anderson and the Northumbrian evening.
Oh, where can I stop?!!!


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Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week 2007!/How's it doing?
From: vectis
Date: 26 Aug 07 - 03:31 PM

Totally kna*****d after a fairly laid back week (for me).
Highlights were Georges slow sessions and Yes there should be more of them. Went into another session, which in past years was very good, only to find that everyone indulged in playing "my party piece that no-one else will know" boring, boring, boring. Even the person running the session looked totally pissed off after ther first hour.
The Keep it in the Family concert on Thursday was excellent and made me realise how rare it is for a family to pass on their traditions. I really must go through Dad's recordings and books properly and ensure they can be passed on to the next generation.
Sid Kipper was as funny as ever.
The Moor and Coast wardens on the Community College site deserve a special mention in dispatches as they kept my hired mobility scooter charged up from their own generator in order to keep me mobile during the week. A huge Thank You boys.
The Endeavour Maritime sessions were great fun and raised over £1300 for the lifeboat.
The Station Inn sessions were subtly different, possibly due to the smoking ban, but run very well by Jude and Kitty.
Looking forward to next year already when I hope the only "plastered" will be due to the drink and not broken bones.


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Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week 2007!/How's it doing?
From: The Vulgar Boatman
Date: 27 Aug 07 - 07:46 AM

Funny you should mention that Vectis...as usual, a great week, but there's always a "but". This year's was a couple of sessions, one allegedly run by the bright young things who should have been taught better, and the other by an old and well-loved pro who should have known better.
First the bright young things - with lots of their little friends playing very clever tunes and arrangements. They didn't address the room once during the session, not even to introduce themselves, and when someone else eventually had the temerity to contribute, reverted to their mobile phone text messaging and a discussion of what they were going to do after the festival. The grown up who appeared to be with them meanwhile got up during someone else's playing and started distributing leaflets and talking over the music. Thank God some of them left, presumably 'cos it was time for their afternoon nap, but everyone else in the room seemed at turns to be both bored and embarrassed. If they're looking to make a living, they need to learn better manners.
Then the other one - a brief acknowledgement that there were other people in the room, including telling one punter that he shouldn't be there (probably a sense of humour clash)- and, again, an almost total disregard of the room, including getting up and standing talking on the fire escape when others started a set.
Now maybe I'm a grouchy old sod, but there is a convention of good manners, (etiquette, even) in these matters which, when neglected really pisses me off. So if your idea of leading a session is basically to put down those around you, even accidentally, go away and learn to behave properly, then we can all enjoy your undoubted talents and enjoy ourselves at the same time. Ed Rennie and John Kirkpatrick could give you lessons if you speak nicely to them.

And having got that off me chest, special thanks to the staff of the Fishermen's Rowing Club for their untiring good humour and warm welcome, and to all those who work so incredibly hard to make the whole thing happen. And if anyone's got the words to Maggie's outstandingly vulgar song about her lovely muff, let's all be having a look. At the words, that is...exit pursued by a bear...
KYBTTS


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Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week 2007!/How's it doing?
From: nutty
Date: 27 Aug 07 - 07:57 AM

'The Beautiful Muff' is a very old song. Copies of the broadside circa 1850 can be found in the Bodleian Museum collection - HERE

Maggie does sing the song extremely well with just the right amount of pathos, so that you are not sure if the double-entendre is really intended.


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Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week 2007!/How's it doing?
From: Mrs.Duck
Date: 27 Aug 07 - 08:14 AM

You mean its not about something to keep your hands warm?? I've lead a sheltered life! ;0)


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Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week 2007!/How's it doing?
From: GUEST,The Bar Staff at Station Inn
Date: 27 Aug 07 - 10:43 AM

We would like to say thanks to all of the folk week customers. We had a great time and we hope you did as well. Thanks for the drinks that were bought for us and especially to Jude and the singers in the front room for your generosity. See you all next time.

Pat, Emma, Haley and the rest of the Station Inn staff


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Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week 2007!/How's it doing?
From: Tig
Date: 27 Aug 07 - 11:26 AM

A big Thank You from the Campsite Stewards to anyone staying on the Rugby Club campsite for helping us keep it clean and tidy this year - despite the strange loo arrangement :-)

We only had to award a handful of Wally of the Week awards to those driving onto the Rugby pitch when asked not to. It wasn't our ruling folks, it was the only way we were allowed to camp there!

Roll on next year!


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Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week 2007!/How's it doing?
From: r.padgett
Date: 27 Aug 07 - 01:42 PM

The Beautiful Muff is of course from Steve Gardham's book East Riding Songster!

Ray


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Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week 2007!/How's it doing?
From: Splott Man
Date: 28 Aug 07 - 03:54 AM

With over 600 events, with all the will in the world it's difficult to get to more than 35 in a week.
What we did manage and enjoyed thoroughly were Mike Waterson & Louis Killen, for all the reasons mentioned before, and isn't it amazing how many songs MW has actually written!; the Nortumbrian Ceilidh, especially 422, and those young clog and rapper dancers who were immaculate. Con O'Driscoll (is that haow you spell it?) and his remarkable songsm especilally the lament for his dog's b****cks, it's amazing how many different rhymes and euphemisms he squeezed out of one (two?) subject.
And the ABBA ceilidh!!!

Sorry we missed you Giok, Emma and Severn, we must have been in the same vicinity together at some point.

We missed the finale this year as we had an elsewhere first thing thing the next morning 200 miles west, but we did get there in time to see the tremendous Michael Marra for the first time when we got there.

Here's to next year


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Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week 2007!/How's it doing?
From: treewind
Date: 28 Aug 07 - 04:25 AM

We had a lovely week.
At the Con club, where something always goes wrong, this time I was missing an instrument (left it in the car) and had to play a tune set on the wrong melodeon but it worked out fine.

CHARM had the best audience we've had yet. Thanks everybody who came along to support that, and all those who said nice things afterwards)

The Dan Quinn all stars ceilidh was huge fun, and it was a bonus that the dancers enjoyed it too, and even said the band sounded good. Totally unrehearsed of course.

And I'm slowly getting used to the idea that (at least some) people like the way we run tune workshops, as I've lost more sleep over that than anything else at recent festivals.

Whitby is going to change next year, I'm told. This year's was the first without Malcolm Storey in charge, and the new organisers were learning how it works. They've got exciting ideas and plans - no, I wasn't told any details....

Anahata


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Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week 2007!/How's it doing?
From: brassy sharman
Date: 28 Aug 07 - 04:36 AM

Maybe resort back to using the Spa Theatre for concerts that need more room.


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Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week 2007!/How's it doing?
From: Surreysinger
Date: 28 Aug 07 - 05:34 AM

I tend to worry when I hear people discussing "exciting ideas and plans". Whitby this year was by far my most enjoyable festival/event of the year. (In previous years it was always the National - sadly now in moribund state) Discussing it on the train on the way back home we were all agreed that it's relaxed atmosphere, and the intimate and informal venues were what made it the most enjoyable for us. I don't tend to enjoy the "concert" type of event, although I'm aware that there are many who do. As a singer, what made it really enjoyable for me was the opportunity to see traditional singers of the quality and sort that you wouldn't normally see at other large festivals, and to indulge in singing opportunities that they don't tend to support either. Hopefully they won't set about changing things too much - it would be a shame to lose it's flavour and charm. However, that said, the organising team are, as far as I'm aware,traditionally inclined, so I'll keep my fingers crossed and wait to see what happens .....


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Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week 2007!/How's it doing?
From: CannieShieldsLaddie
Date: 28 Aug 07 - 05:46 AM

Quite agree Surreysinger, we thought it one of the best for a few years. Our 33rd Whitby and we did mostly concerts and particularly enjoyed Viv and Vic Legg, Grace Notes and The Wilsons.

And when the Young Coppers arrived on Tuesday they gave the place a real lift. They were absolutely excellent and "keeping the family tradition up" as well as enjoying themselves at there first festival on their own.

Not too much change needed.


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Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week 2007!/How's it doing?
From: GUEST,padgett
Date: 28 Aug 07 - 06:20 AM

The fringe still working well and some of the best singing around

There needs to be outlets for all abilities and there are some excellent singers frequenting the fringe events

The songs and singers continue to evolve which surely is what the living tradition is all about

WFF week obviously needs to make a profit or cover its costs to exist, the folk community is very wide indeed and there are very many unsung heroes who work without due reward in mundane roles

Stewards and organisers coffee makers programme sellers ticket/money collectors fetchers and carriers etc

Folk singing dancing storytelling playing instruments is all about participation and people will gravitate to their own needs and aspirations

Long may it be so at Whitby FF week

Ray


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Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week 2007!/How's it doing?
From: Saro
Date: 28 Aug 07 - 07:14 AM

We had a fantastic week too, and the people attending the harmony workshop were as brilliant as ever. Thank you all. Sorry i only got to the Station for one evening, but better than nothing, and lovely to see lots of old friends. Re: "exciting plans" I know that new people always want to change things, but I hope, not too much. At least I feel sure that the new team will maintain the traditional strand that runs firmly through the week.
Best wishes
Saro


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Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week 2007!/How's it doing?
From: Splott Man
Date: 28 Aug 07 - 08:20 AM

An addition to my favourites as my memory returns: the Wilsons and the Young Coppers singing Thousands or More together. They probably heard it in Scarborough!


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Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week 2007!/How's it doing?
From: brassy sharman
Date: 28 Aug 07 - 08:22 AM

Does any one have any photos they post to share of the Folk Festival?


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Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week 2007!/How's it doing?
From: Mo the caller
Date: 28 Aug 07 - 09:20 AM

I had intended to leave the CHARM concert 30 minutes early to make sure I got a seat for George Garside.
I couldn't tear myself away; 'leaving early' became 'gathering up my belongings and standing near the door in the last intro, sprinting out of the Met as the last chord died away, and running most of the way to Middle Earth' (which wasn't as crowded Wed as Sun, fortunately for me).


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Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week 2007!/How's it doing?
From: GUEST,Neovo
Date: 28 Aug 07 - 11:17 AM

I agree with Vulgar Boatman's "but", but I'm afraid it's not just happening at Whitby. There seems to be a declining standard of behaviour in singarounds and sessions everywhere one goes at the moment. I do wonder about the merits of having an organised session with booked leader(s). I was particularly P*****d off by the guitarists who insist on trying to accompany solo unaccompanied singers by noodling around until they find a key or, more usually, driving the singer into a key they hadn't intended. Saw/heard this happen more than once. If somebody wants to sing unaccompanied let them do so. If they want accompaniment they will say - this is in the key of X, please join in.


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Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week 2007!/How's it doing?
From: GUEST,musician
Date: 28 Aug 07 - 12:11 PM

I thought sessions were about as many as possible joining in and enjoying playing/singing together rather than take your turn   solo performances. Perhaps some distinction should be made between 'singarounds' and 'sessions'


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Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week 2007!/How's it doing?
From: r.padgett
Date: 28 Aug 07 - 01:26 PM

All this is pretty common ground and the etiquette and niggles will continue for ever

Not just at Whitby, people need to learn some basic respect I fear!

Ray


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Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week 2007!/How's it doing?
From: GUEST,Neovo
Date: 29 Aug 07 - 03:23 AM

If it's a song then people can join in with voices and sing in the chorus. For a guitarist to try to identify the key by noodling and then plonking away with chords that don't fit if they don't know the song is very off-putting to the lead singer and anybody else who wants to join in with voice/harmony. Tunes are easier because you can usually identify the key straight away by where the melodeon playher has his/her fingers or the guitarists their capos and chord shapes.


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Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week 2007!/How's it doing?
From: GUEST,musician
Date: 29 Aug 07 - 04:40 AM

funny but some musicians feel exactly the same about off key singers 'joining in' in F and five eights or G and a quarter and trying to pull the musician off key. Personally I just like to see everybody enjoying themselves rather than just a few playing/singing at what they may consider to be some sort of concert standard and will happily try to adapt playing to any 'uninvited' (in a session!!!!!) singists. Or should we all be permenantly po faced and deadly serious?!!


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Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week 2007!/How's it doing?
From: GUEST,padgett
Date: 29 Aug 07 - 05:11 AM

I am some what annoyed musician

Umaccompanied singers do not have to sing in your bloody standard keys necesarily! You make sure your guitars are tuned right and you play together nicely, ok

Keep off unaccompanied singers, snigger all you want just don't try to join in!

Ray


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Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week 2007!/How's it doing?
From: GUEST,flutegirl
Date: 29 Aug 07 - 05:13 AM

GUEST musician
Well said - there is real distinction between singaround and session - perhaps what distinguishes them is the element of 'performance'. In my experience, singaround is more about performance, with lots of 'shhushing' going on and applause given (and expected). A real session is more inclusive, yet without the element of performance (although the occasional rogue 'show-off' can pop up in a session!). The music is played primarily for those playing it, and applause is not common, certainly among the musicians.


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Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week 2007!/How's it doing?
From: GUEST,musician
Date: 29 Aug 07 - 06:27 AM

flutegirl
you have hit the nail on the head some people are very serious and   decidedly noninclusive as well as being unnecesarily abusive.Official Lead Sessions & singarounds may well have customs & practices as set out by the leader - spontaneous pub sessions/singarounds should be just that.


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Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week 2007!/How's it doing?
From: GUEST,padgett
Date: 29 Aug 07 - 08:04 AM

The music is played primarily for those playing it


What a pity that you cannot understand that bystanders love to hear your music too and why shouldn't they applause?

I cannot understand why musicians should really need to be totally exclusive. Sessions I have attended will often give way to singers

However too music pub noise will put singers off key, if not accompanying themselves

Why do musicians feel that they are not part of the social fabric which encompasses song?

Ray


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Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week 2007!/How's it doing?
From: brassy sharman
Date: 29 Aug 07 - 08:17 AM

It is a strange phenomenon that as a singer if you attend a music session you will undoubtedly be ignored by the musicians (unless you are recognised), but if a musician goes into a singaround they will be welcomed and asked to play. Why is this?


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Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week 2007!/How's it doing?
From: GUEST,Black Hawk unlogged
Date: 29 Aug 07 - 08:34 AM

Someone who walks into a session carrying a guitar, fiddle, mandolin etc. will be assumed to be a musician. Not everyone who walks into a session with a voice will be assumed to be a singer!


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