Subject: RE: young folk tradition undermining folk From: GUEST,Jim Moray Date: 26 Jun 07 - 01:34 PM I've been reading this thread with interest, and perhaps its now time to comment - "PR. One young man got a fantastic amount of publicity - a year or two ago and I wonder if all the hype was justified. Certainly looking at the bookings he has on his website not many bookers do think he sells tickets and most of his bookings seem to part of or along with his sister's band." Perhaps the young man in question (whoever that might be) has been taking some time out from touring this year to organise a folk club and festival, complete a commision for orchestra for the Royal Northern College of Music in Manchester, write and record a new album and take over his own booking and business affairs, as well as play guitar for his sister for a bit of a change. The point being that some people are still interested in having sustained careers and its a marathon, not a sprint... If theres one thing this thread shows it's that there's no need to be in the publics face all the time - they'll resent you for it. I don't think degrees are a headstart in anything. I'd agree with the poster above who says that there are a minority of unpleasant people in every walk of life, but to suggest the folk degree fosters that attitude is silly. From the other side, if you are 'hyped' or talked up there are always going to be people who dislike you on principle (strangely enough, often on internet forums...) for some perceived slight. I'm sure the graduates of the folk degree are sick of having to defend themselves to people who know nothing about them or the degree. All that can be done is play the best gigs you can do and rise above it. Trust me, nobody is going into traditional music for the money. In the end, you are only as good as your last album or performance, which is why I'm quitting this thread again to go and mix my new record and do some practise! |
Subject: RE: young folk tradition undermining folk From: Folkiedave Date: 26 Jun 07 - 01:56 PM I am delighted that the young man in question (whoever that might be) has been taking some time out from touring this year to organise a folk club and festival, complete a commission for orchestra for the Royal Northern College of Music in Manchester, write and record a new album and take over his own booking and business affairs, as well as play guitar for his sister for a bit of a change has been so busy. But I was simply reflecting on the booking list available as a piece of public information for the young man in question (whoever that might be) on his website and that it did not reflect his perceived popularity (let's say) two years ago. If that is a piece of conscious decision making in order to further his love of music and desire to succeed in a difficult business, and because he has simply been to busy to chase or accept gigs, then that is great and good luck to him and his sister with whom he will be playing this summer. I take it since you have taken over your own business affairs that the publicity lady has gone? :-) |
Subject: RE: young folk tradition undermining folk From: GUEST,Jim Moray Date: 26 Jun 07 - 02:30 PM yes. A further thought - aside from being a performer, I care deeply about traditional music as much as anyone else. I know that all of the students of the Newcastle course that I have met feel the same. I've always been told that the main defining feature of folk music is that you can do anything with it - it represents not just the past, but the present and (most importantly) the future too. Thats what the idea of an evolving tradition is. Belittling other people credentials as folk musicians is a little futile - you're either a good entertaining performer or you're not, and even then its a matter of opinion. I think anyone who accepts money in return for playing or singing owes it to their audience to be as knowledgeable about their material and subject matter as possible, but knowledge alone won't get you far. |
Subject: RE: young folk tradition undermining folk From: GUEST,wordy Date: 26 Jun 07 - 02:33 PM Folkiedave, as my post says it was an article in The Musicians Union mag on the new folk revival that stated that the Waterson/Carthy etceteras employed a modern PR company.Does it do any good? Certainly seems to, judging by the amount of press space they get. And it isn't talent that gets column inches in non folk mags etc, it's a good PR company. I know,....been there in my past. |
Subject: RE: young folk tradition undermining folk From: Folkiedave Date: 26 Jun 07 - 02:52 PM Topic records employ a PR agency - could it possible be the same people? One article in the Guardian on the Saturday of the RAH concert. That was about the whole of the Waterson family (Eliza's picture was not in it) Mike, Mike's wife, Ollie Knight and his little daughter were in it. Mike, Ann Waterson etc are not in Waterson:Carthy. (Ollie does the sound). One piece on Woman's Hour with Norma and Eliza the week before the RAH concert. If there has been a lot more than that on national radio, TV or national newspapers then I confess to having missed it. I am sure the radio programme on Bob Dylan for example that used Martin was not PR hype. And I would doubt that the programme on "Bright Phoebus" was PR hype either. If you are referring to articles in folk magazines I would have thought it was highly likely they would appear in there and that a PR company would not be needed. So I do not see a lot of evidence for the work of a PR company. Perhaps they should change it? |
Subject: RE: young folk tradition undermining folk From: countrylife Date: 26 Jun 07 - 03:11 PM *I don't think degrees are a headstart in anything* I agree with you, Jim, they don't...oh they impress some people, but on the whole they make great wallpapper and that's about it. |
Subject: RE: young folk tradition undermining folk From: countrylife Date: 26 Jun 07 - 03:12 PM oops that should read PAPER...the computer has developed a stutter, either that or I have *LOL* |
Subject: RE: young folk tradition undermining folk From: Folkiedave Date: 26 Jun 07 - 03:20 PM Sorry to come back because I posted that before I meant to. If young artists use a PR person who does not understand folk music (often supplied by a record company) then they will probably regret what was written about them in the space of a few years. If only because - rightly - their ideas were not fixed and they themselves change. On the other hand I do not see too much wrong with promoting folk music well. I would rather it was promoted well than not at all. But there is some PR crap out there.... http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/tyne/4075998.stm Now that is what I would call transparent PR bollocks and stinks of PR agency. Now if a Waterson:Carthy piece appears and it is on about their music, their love of their music, how their music developed; how people react to their music I would think in general the PR agency is doing a good job. It'll mention their latest record/RAH concert then good luck, but the PR won't sell tickets or the record. If it is about how they need a bodyguard because they have upset people then it is bollocks and deserves to be called bollocks. |
Subject: RE: young folk tradition undermining folk From: Bert Date: 26 Jun 07 - 03:23 PM If they'd offered a degree in folk music when I was young I would have taken that instead of engineering. Then it wouldn't have taken me so many years to have gone from being a shy and incompetent drip to being able to hold an audience. And I'd probably be able to play the guitar as well. |
Subject: RE: young folk tradition undermining folk From: Herga Kitty Date: 26 Jun 07 - 06:06 PM I've been keeping my head below the parapet, but isn't this all part of the art v folk, pro v amateur debate? On the one hand there are the professional performers, performing in concert venues, carrying on the tradition of troubadours and trying to make a living out of it (and usually needing other sources of income such as teaching), and on the other there are people like me for whom it's a vital relaxation from what I do for a living.... For me, the rapport between the artists and the audience, and the audience participation (rather than "we perform, you receive and applaud") has always made folk music special. "Professional folksinger" is arguably an oxymoron. I'll get my coat.... Kitty |
Subject: RE: young folk tradition undermining folk From: Big Al Whittle Date: 26 Jun 07 - 06:31 PM Yeh we all know Waterson Carthy play well to their contituency, and we know how vocal and and zealous that costituency are. The basic problem as I see it is this:- I was in Weymouth the other week at the folk festival and I stood in the shopping mall watching the morris dancers. They were nice people. Encapsulating everything nice about middle class English people playing silly buggers. However the passing people were about as involved and as embarassed, as if the Hare Krishna lot were doing their bit. Now are you going to kid these kids that theres a place for them in the highly subsidised world of Waterson/Carthy, or are you going to break the habits of a lifetime and get honest about the situation? A situation YOU have brought about, through decades of intellectual dishonesty. A folk culture which alienates 90% of the folk is a blatant absurdity. |
Subject: RE: young folk tradition undermining folk From: George Papavgeris Date: 26 Jun 07 - 06:41 PM Al, I believe that the alienation was well under way well before the revival, and has very little (if anything at all) to do with the Waterson/Carthys' behaviours, or even with those of Ewan, Peggy or even Cecil and Al. There are many other societal and even religious factors to consider. At the very least, none of the above-named are at fault for the inexorable move of entertainment from participatory to passive. Already at the time of the revival the folk scene was "alternative", non-main-stream, which is why it attracted so many youngsters. |
Subject: RE: young folk tradition undermining folk From: Big Al Whittle Date: 26 Jun 07 - 06:55 PM well yes... I am a fan of Martin and was a fan of Ewan and Peggy. They are, and were nice people. That isn't the point. The way Martin sings sounds weird to most English people. Morris music seems to go at a rhythm, people in England haven't danced to for generations, if they ever actually did. This is a tradition not handed down to us. This is a tradition - totally factitious in essence - thought up by intellectuals. people aren't buying it. Now are you going to start again, like we did in the 60's. Or are you going to keep ploughing your resources into a losing battle like some odious First World War General. I can't see a happy outcome for the majority of folk graduates, just the happy few who get aboard the gravy train - and places are VERY limited - get born into the right family is my advice. |
Subject: RE: young folk tradition undermining folk From: Declan Date: 26 Jun 07 - 07:56 PM Arrange to be democratically born the son of a folk singer or the daughter of a sound engineer... I'm not suggesting there's some sorof a plot, everyone knows theres not. Sounds like there's a song in there somewhere :-) Surely it can't be a bad thing if there's an opportunity for people who's main interest in life is folk music, to take that as an opportunity for further study. I remember a friend of mine who was a student (in a non folk course) at the time, (and a well known guitarist in an Irish traditional band) asking the question - how come there are never any exams in anything we know anything about? A folk music course would have suited at the time. In a perfectly fair world talent will determine who gets on in the folk world and who doesn't. In the real world in which we live it will come down to a mixture of talent, hard work and luck. In any career it is necessary to grasp whatever opportunities present themselves in trying to be successful. A place in a degree course might be such an opportunity, but isn't (and shouldn't on its own) be a guarantee of success. This has been an interesting thread Stacey. Don't take personal offence at the opinions of the people who criticise you. Particularly people who tend to criticise everybody. Make your own decisions in life and be prepared to live with the consequences of them good or bad. Ignore the begrudgers. And above all don't become one of them! |
Subject: RE: young folk tradition undermining folk From: GUEST,ex post-grad Date: 26 Jun 07 - 08:03 PM ..and always remember; many Higher Education Courses only exist because the Lecturers and Admin staff need the employment they provide for themselves. |
Subject: RE: young folk tradition undermining folk From: Dave Earl Date: 27 Jun 07 - 01:43 AM "many Higher Education Courses only exist because the Lecturers and Admin staff need the employment they provide for themselves." Getting cynical in our old age aren't we? Dave |
Subject: RE: young folk tradition undermining folk From: Richard Bridge Date: 27 Jun 07 - 03:03 AM Oh no - they exist because a senior academic is building an empire for himself (I lecture at two universities). |
Subject: RE: young folk tradition undermining folk From: Folkiedave Date: 27 Jun 07 - 04:26 AM people aren't buying it. Now are you going to start again, like we did in the 60's. Or are you going to keep ploughing your resources into a losing battle like some odious First World War General. I cannot agree with these points. Again I have to repeat (and am happy to do so) that folk music is on the increase and the evidence is all around - you just have to look for it. Plenty of young people involved too. Every time I go to a festival there is a Music Room or a Hobgoblin stall selling melodeons, guitars, fiddles and other "folk" instruments. Who is buying these at a folk festival if it is not people playing for their enjoyment with themselves and others? There certainly are not enough professionals to sustain nine branches of Hobgoblin and the numerous Music Room outlets on sales to professionals. As for arrange to be democratically born the son of a folk singer or the daughter of a sound engineer... it is just so much round spherical objects. It would have been better to be born the son or daughter of a traveller if you really wanted to become a traditional singer. Or does Lizzie Higgins not fit into your pre-conceived ideas? Of course people pass music down through the family. Are you saying Benji Kirkpatrick, or ELiza Carthy or Kathryn Tickell can't play? That sort of skill does not come naturally you know - it does take a bit of practice. I was in one of Sheffield's student quarters the other week and stood watching a group of morris dancers. A lot of young people stayed and watched. I talked to some of them. They were really interested (one was a dancer and had brought a couple of mates) and appreciative of the efforts. I have been to three new festivals in the past few months. Each one had a number of young people - not the majority I am happy to admit - but people from let's guess, 12 - 20. Again when I go to festivals many of the stewards are young people - going not to steward but to enjoy their music and this is one way they can afford it. Rant over - I'll go and take my pills now. |
Subject: RE: young folk tradition undermining folk From: The Borchester Echo Date: 27 Jun 07 - 04:49 AM arrange to be democratically born (Leon Rosselson) Sometimes it helps, initially, but sometimes the opposite makes the would-be musician more determined. Just as it does some of those who weren't born sons of company directors and judge's private daughters who have to go to a slum school dumped by some joker in a dark back alley. For any category of 'disadvantaged' child in some cases . . . buttons would be pressed, rules would be broken Strings would be pulled and magic words spoken Invisible fingers would mould . . . Folkworks, the Wren Trust, Shooting Roots. Now these really are Palaces Of Gold where young people participate and learn what the mainstream education system has denied them. Therein lies the future. |
Subject: RE: young folk tradition undermining folk From: stallion Date: 27 Jun 07 - 04:57 AM Fun is contagious and if one puts the fun in to folk music and dancing then people want a piece of it and will join in. However if folk music is hung in gallery's for the enjoyment of connoisseurs and talked of in stuffy intellectual terms the great unwashed will switch off. I am not saying that there isn't room for it, but it isn't the be all and end all. Last night at the Vicky Vaults in York (not a usual venue) we had a group of thirty or so Icelanders in, after a while they got carried up with the enthusiasm of the night and sang a few songs in Icelandic, I think most were probably pop songs but they did sing "The Wild Rover" in their native tongue. Some how it didn't matter what they sang what mattered is that they were singing, clapping, stamping their feet and dancing and the locals who were at first a little bemused joined in and were even dancing towards the end of the night. Now, we had taken the music to them, it was the same in New York a couple of years ago, one bar tore up the bar tab after we had had a boozy afternoon session singing, a little perplexed at first the clientèle got into it and we ended doing requests all afternoon! So folk music isn't dying from the extremities it's imploding, it is and should be a broad church and people should be content with that, in so far as young musicians, graduates or not, they cannot shoulder the blame, if a finger has to be pointed anywhere perhaps it is the shackles of commercialism that tie the pony to the yolk that may be working it to death. I admire people who can make a living from the Genre cos there never has been a huge amount of loot in it, in the early seventies we just about covered travelling expenses and beer money for the night and that was top money! Trouble is everyone with talent now wants to make a living and there isn't enough room. When Sweden put England out of the World Cup the vast majority of their players were part-timers, excellent players, but part-timers because Swedish football couldn't sustain full time players. The Battlefield Band spend all their time touring abroad because that is where the money is, it isn't here. So folk music is what we collectively have made it and if it is dying then look in a mirror and ask yourself "am I to blame?" So lets all go and SHOW everyone how much fun it is and not just talk about it like Waldorf and Statler |
Subject: RE: young folk tradition undermining folk From: The Borchester Echo Date: 27 Jun 07 - 05:24 AM "The Wild Rover" in their native tongue Good grief. I hope you directed these Icelanders towards the Polaris in Roberttown, West Yorks, where Bára Grímsdóttir, and Chris Foster are gigging tomorrow (28 June). |
Subject: RE: young folk tradition undermining folk From: Folkiedave Date: 27 Jun 07 - 05:59 AM Will someone please provide evidence that the folk scene is dying/imploding? FFS it is expanding........more players, many more festivals, much larger festivals, different sorts of festival etc... Sessions down? Music instrument sales down? Number of festivals down? Attendance at festivals down? Record sales down? No new artists coming on the scene? Point me towards where it is imploding for goodness sake? English folk has always entertained foreigners in my wide experience - Sheffield City Morris have had sessions in and with just about every nation in Europe and a session with the National Dance Company of Ecuador led to an invitation there. But of course unlike Scotland and Ireland our media rarely takes our music seriously. Thus the North of England is without a local folk show on radio. Now how far have you complained about that? |
Subject: RE: young folk tradition undermining folk From: treewind Date: 27 Jun 07 - 06:59 AM Dave, you are right, except that folk clubs have been on a steady decline for years. But you've provided a very fine list to illustrate that folk clubs aren't all what it's about. Anyone about to tell me that new folk clubs are forming faster than old ones are dying out? (it's possible, I don't know) What I'm seeing is that folk music has skipped a generation and lots of young people are now taking an interest. It not mainstream, of course (it never was) but it's looking more and more like the 70's (when I first dived in) every year. Anahata |
Subject: RE: young folk tradition undermining folk From: Big Al Whittle Date: 27 Jun 07 - 07:26 AM don't the mainstream of humanity have some right to a voice in our artform? shouldn't their experiences be the very stuff from which folksongs are wrought. If you're planning a bonsai forest, it doesn't really require an army of trained pygmies for foresters. |
Subject: RE: young folk tradition undermining folk From: Ruth Archer Date: 27 Jun 07 - 08:04 AM I don't agree with your thesis, WLD, that folk is alienating. I've watched morris at Oxford Folk Festival and Chippenham this year, both out in the town, and there were large crowds stopping to stand and watch and chat to each other about what they were seeing. The responses generally seemed very enthusiastic. The same thing happened ouside my village pub last week. Loads of people came out to watch. They weren't embarrassed or dismissive - I would say the best description of their response was intrigued ands supportive. |
Subject: RE: young folk tradition undermining folk From: The Sandman Date: 27 Jun 07 - 08:14 AM My experience of playing at Maritime festivals,has been,that this is an excellent way to introduce folk music to a non folk audience,their initial interest may have been our maritime heritage,but they would not have gone to a folk festival or club,but realise that they[the non folk public] actually like maritime music. |
Subject: RE: young folk tradition undermining folk From: GUEST,Dan Date: 27 Jun 07 - 08:29 AM This may be hard to take but I wish to point out that if Folk has a bad rep and is subject to negative streotypes it is YOUR fault. Don't blame the young, blame the generation of the 70s and 80s who alienated the audiences after the 'boom years' in the first place. In the last few years a generation of artists, journalists, workshop leaders and dancers under 35 have managed to almost turn around the perception of folk music in this country to the wider world. All you lot can do is moan about it. There is another folk revival happening and you are not invited. You had your chance and you wasted it. Sorry. |
Subject: RE: young folk tradition undermining folk From: treewind Date: 27 Jun 07 - 08:48 AM WLD, your gritty sons-of-toil socialism is all very well, but what has alienated "90% of the population" (your figure) to our folk culture is not the folk culture itself, but the global capitalism-driven brainwashing though the media, to spend our money on the crap (which includes "music" manufactured by The Music Industry) advertised on TV and to deride or licence to death anything not manufactured profitably by the Big Capitalist Money Machine. Which side are you on? Anahata |
Subject: RE: young folk tradition undermining folk From: Dave Earl Date: 27 Jun 07 - 08:58 AM Dan There may be something in what you say but... Why are we not invited? We want the music and song to continue and I for one don't object to the way the current generation have found to present it. I may be knocking on in years but I still think I am fairly young at heart. Dave |
Subject: RE: young folk tradition undermining folk From: The Borchester Echo Date: 27 Jun 07 - 09:08 AM János Kádár, the Hungarian socialist politician, once remarked how glad he was that he had been born in the working class because this enabled him to recognise what self-seeking philistines many of them can be. This emphasises that it is not just a recent global capitalistic development but that these noble 'sons of toil' can be and are seduced readily by 'bread and circuses', and away from their indigenous culture. Anahata's right. It's not that they don't like it but that it is not in the interests of the economy for them to do so and they are, quite easily unfortunately, persuaded otherwise. It is our role to reverse this. |
Subject: RE: young folk tradition undermining folk From: Folkiedave Date: 27 Jun 07 - 09:18 AM generation of artists, journalists, workshop leaders Name them...... |
Subject: RE: young folk tradition undermining folk From: Ruth Archer Date: 27 Jun 07 - 10:36 AM "In the last few years a generation of artists, journalists, workshop leaders and dancers under 35..." What - and they've done this in a vacuum? They haven't been taught, guided, and mentored by members of the older generation who are perceptive enough to welcome youth, development and even (*gasp*) change? I'm only a few years older than the generation you're talking about. Some people may have missed the party because of their narrow-minded intransigence, but I can think of a fair few in their 50s and 60s who are right in the middle of it, handing out the cake. |
Subject: RE: young folk tradition undermining folk From: Richard Bridge Date: 27 Jun 07 - 12:44 PM Nice to see some positive stuff here, but baby, bathwater, etc. |
Subject: RE: young folk tradition undermining folk From: stallion Date: 27 Jun 07 - 01:36 PM No FD I don't think it is dying it is changing as it ever did but if there is any pressure on it it is from within and the resistance to change or "go with the flow" |
Subject: RE: young folk tradition undermining folk From: Declan Date: 27 Jun 07 - 01:53 PM The lines from Palaces of Gold came into my head when reading WLDs post below it. I was not actually endorsing the sentiments. Thats why there was a smilie in there. At least Diane got the reference. Nor did I mean to slag off any particular daughter of a sound engineer - she gets far too much unwarranted bad press around here already in my opinion. It is to be expected that music will pass down through families and that some of those who are exposed to the music from their early youth are likely to embrace the tradition and become very good at it. I know many fine traditional musicians in this country who have been handed their music down from a previous generation, and many who didn't. As I said luck is a factor and accidents of birth count as luck in my opinion. Dan, if you have read the thread here you might notice that it was started by an 18 year old - who chose the title. I think if there is any degree of uniformity to the responses it is generally dismissive of the thread title, which I think Stacey chose to encourage debate - which certainly succeeded. |
Subject: RE: young folk tradition undermining folk From: Don(Wyziwyg)T Date: 27 Jun 07 - 02:53 PM Folk music has struggled, and in some areas is still struggling, to survive against the tide of commercial pap produced by the "Music Industry", and the constant erosion of suitable venues (Thank you so much Tony B Liar). I do, however think it is in the process of an overall improvement as regards festivals and concert venues. What does make my blood boil, after 47 years of performing at, and running folk clubs, and endeavouring to be as inclusive in my approach as humanly possible, is to be told that any problems are my fault because I am 66 years old and out of touch. I've put most of my life into this, and passed on all that I could to any youngsters who showed an interest, and if not for people like me there would be bugger all for them to show an interest in. I bitterly resent being disrespected by people who, in the main, have sat on their fat arses while somebody like Herga Kitty, Vic & Tina, John Breeze, Richard Bridge (with the very talented and able Jacqui Walker), has done all the bloody work. If, (and I do mean IF) the folk club scene is suffering a decline, perhaps it might have been averted if more of our Oh so clever companions had offered all the bright ideas they now boast of, at the time when new ideas were really needed. Now I'm out of here cos I'm sick of being told how we got it all wrong. Don T. |
Subject: RE: young folk tradition undermining folk From: The Borchester Echo Date: 27 Jun 07 - 03:06 PM Erm, 'scuse me. I thought it was the 'young folk tradition' (whatever that is) that's under fire here. Who mentioned 66-year-olds with boiling blood? |
Subject: RE: young folk tradition undermining folk From: McMullen Date: 27 Jun 07 - 03:26 PM lol people people, i think we all have stated our views and opinions nice and structured, it has certainly widened my viewpoint and i hope it has widened the view of many both for and against. It is inevitable there are downsides and upsides, but in my dogmatic view i suppose i have only seen the bad :) |
Subject: RE: young folk tradition undermining folk From: Dave Earl Date: 27 Jun 07 - 03:34 PM Diane, Did you not see Guest Dan's post. I think that's what got up Don's nose. And were I he I'd be miffed too. Dave |
Subject: RE: young folk tradition undermining folk From: The Borchester Echo Date: 27 Jun 07 - 03:53 PM Yes, course I did. Dan said: There is another folk revival happening and you are not invited He's quite right . But he was as much off-topic (for the purpose of this thread) as Don T's very strange and intemperate ramblings. Makes you wonder why peeps find it so hard to read the title in the box before placing fingers on keyboard. |
Subject: RE: young folk tradition undermining folk From: GUEST,countrylife Date: 27 Jun 07 - 04:14 PM "There is another folk revival happening and you are not invited. You had your chance and you wasted it. Sorry." I see, Dan, and you got the job of handing out the invites did you? It's the old let's blame the previous generation for the current mess...not very original Danny Boy...you self righteous little tick. |
Subject: RE: young folk tradition undermining folk From: The Borchester Echo Date: 27 Jun 07 - 04:22 PM No, not original but right in many respects. But this has NO BEARING on the current debate. Nor has the blustering from the old git who assumes he's being got at. There IS another revival happening.THEMSELVES from it. Who is undermining who? |
Subject: RE: young folk tradition undermining folk From: McMullen Date: 27 Jun 07 - 04:23 PM stop quarelling its petty now |
Subject: RE: young folk tradition undermining folk From: Declan Date: 27 Jun 07 - 04:26 PM I suppose some might consider it childish to point out that - YOU STARTED IT! |
Subject: RE: young folk tradition undermining folk From: The Borchester Echo Date: 27 Jun 07 - 04:28 PM It IS petty when some people can't keep to topic. And confusing when a line has been eaten from my post. What I typed was that there are those who exclude themselves from new progressions . . . . . . or something. I'm bored. |
Subject: RE: young folk tradition undermining folk From: GUEST,countrylife Date: 27 Jun 07 - 04:45 PM I shouldn't allow folk like that to push buttons....I do apologise. and um.....old git eh? *LOL* I would state the obvious about age, Diane, but aren't you the same age as Ashley Hutchings? I seem to remember reading that, somewhere among the threads....and this IS waaayyyyyy off topic...*LOL* Anyway, nothing wrong with progression as long as it's not progression for progression's sake...and I do miss that smokey old room in the back of the pub.....and I'm also reminded of Swarb's quote in Patrick Humphries, Meet on the Ledge: A History of the Fairport Convention...you may know the quote.. |
Subject: RE: young folk tradition undermining folk From: GUEST,Warwick Slade Date: 27 Jun 07 - 04:56 PM This is getting heavy, lighten up and try the thread 'Old Folkers never die' and have a laugh. That means you Don (Wyziwyg)T |
Subject: RE: young folk tradition undermining folk From: The Borchester Echo Date: 27 Jun 07 - 05:11 PM Old git? Just quoting someone who admited to being 66 and out of touch. Yes, I'm the same age as Mr Tyger. So he says. I never listen to a word Swarb says, though singing is a different matter. Nor do I read anything Patrick Humphries writes. Just been out and got some Polish beer so I'm feeling less bored. And I think I know who you are, countrylife. |
Subject: RE: young folk tradition undermining folk From: The Sandman Date: 27 Jun 07 - 05:23 PM young folk tradition undermining folk. Well one person who writes to this forum[no names no packdrill],would say that they are not part of the folk tradition ,that they are part of the folk revival,and that the folk revival has nothing to do with traditional singing.,or the folk tradition. so if you extended this argument logically,the young tradition are not undermining folk,but are deviating from authenticity,and are an irrelevancy.[this is not necessarily my opinion]Dick Miles [Philistine] |
Subject: RE: young folk tradition undermining folk From: countrylife Date: 27 Jun 07 - 05:47 PM "but are deviating from authenticity,and are an irrelevancy" funnily enough I remember someone say something like that about Liege & Lief when it was issued all those years ago.....nothing much changes does it? (It All Comes Round Again) Me I'm a politically incorrect old git of 58....*LOL* |
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