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Lyr Req: Thief/Highwayman?

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Subject: Lyr Req: Thief/Highwayman?
From: Jim Lad
Date: 22 Jun 07 - 11:27 PM

Trying to remember this one. It's about an Irishman who turned to a life of crime. In the end, he gets shot, hung or thrown in prison. Something like that. Mind you, he could have been transported to one of the colonies. Not sure if that helps though.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Thief/Highwayman?
From: Taconicus
Date: 22 Jun 07 - 11:40 PM

I don't think you're talking about Phil Ochs' The Highwayman based on the Alfred Noyes poem? Loreena McKennitt also did a version.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Thief/Highwayman?
From: Jim Lad
Date: 22 Jun 07 - 11:54 PM

No. I remember the poem and do enjoy Loreena's version of it but that's not it.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Thief/Highwayman?
From: harpmolly
Date: 23 Jun 07 - 01:53 AM

Could it be the Newry Highwayman?

Solas did a great version of this on their first album, with Karan Casey. I've heard other great versions too. It's a fun song to sing.

Cheers,

Molly


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Thief/Highwayman?
From: harpmolly
Date: 23 Jun 07 - 01:55 AM

P.S. Although I'm not totally thrilled with the version of the lyrics I just linked to (but you get the general gist).


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Thief/Highwayman?
From: Jim Lad
Date: 23 Jun 07 - 02:10 AM

Don't know that one but the lyrics look like extracts from a couple of songs I've heard.

"In Newry town, I was bread and born," ......Say what?

"Bread & buttered" maybe?


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Thief/Highwayman?
From: GUEST,Jim Carroll
Date: 23 Jun 07 - 02:39 AM

Newry Highwayman or Ballantyne O'Hara (Scots version usually mistaken for Irish Alan Tyne of Harrow).
I am a bold young highwayman, my name is Tyne of Harrow,
I come from poor but honest folk, near to the hills of Yarrow,
For getting of a maid with child, to England I crossed over.....
etc.

Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Thief/Highwayman?
From: Jim Lad
Date: 23 Jun 07 - 03:12 AM

Somebody may have turned him in, at the end or he was ambushed.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Thief/Highwayman?
From: Amergin
Date: 23 Jun 07 - 08:51 AM

Brennan on the Moor?

Wild colonial boy?

Any of the Ned Kelly songs?

JimLad, with the vagueness of this thread...I would suspect that it was started with your tongue in your cheek.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Thief/Highwayman?
From: Jim Lad
Date: 23 Jun 07 - 11:40 AM

Firmly!


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Thief/Highwayman?
From: Declan
Date: 23 Jun 07 - 12:52 PM

Was he not slaughtered by Captain Farrell when one of his girlfriends, Jenny or Molly or something filled his charges with water?


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Thief/Highwayman?
From: Fergie
Date: 23 Jun 07 - 01:25 PM

Could it be Valentine O'Hara?

There is a great version of this song on youtube. Frank Harte in great voice. Have a listen Valentine O'Hara


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Thief/Highwayman?
From: Fergie
Date: 23 Jun 07 - 01:54 PM

WOW! I finally made a link that works.
I think that the clip was put on youtube by one of our own, Mudcatter Amergin.

Regarding the origin of this song, some say that it was originally English (Alan Tyne of Harrow?) other like Jim Carroll above, claim it's Scottish (Ballantyne O'Hara), but I demurr to the opinions of two excellent researchers both of whom concluded that the song is Irish. The late and much missed Mudcatter Frank Harte was one and Mudcatter John Moulden is the other.

I'll post the lyrics as I sing them here.

VALENTINE O'HARA

I am a valiant highwayman,
Called Valentine O'Hara,
I come of poor, but honest folks
Nigh to the hill of Tara.
For getting off a maid with child
For England I sailed over.
I left my parents and became
A wild and daring rover.

Well straight to England I did go,
Where I became a soldier
Resolved to fight Britannia's foes,
Not Hector great was bolder.
They sent me to a foreign shore
Where cannons loud did rattle.
Believe me, boys, I do not boast
How I behaved in battle.

Many's the battle I fought in,
In Holland and French Flanders.
I always fought with a courage keen
Led on by brave commanders.
But a cruel ensign found me out
And I was flogged and carted.
Cruel abusage there I got,
And so I soon deserted.

Straight to England I set sail
As fast as wind could heave me,
Resolved that of my liberty
That no one should deprive me.
I slept into the woods by night,
By all my friends forsaken.
I dared not to walk the roads by day
For fear I should be taken

But I being of a courage keen
And likewise able bodied
I robbed Lords Louth on the King's highway
With pistols heavy loaded.
I clapped the pistols to his breast
Which made his heart aquiver,
500 pound in ready gold
To me he did deliver.

With part of my new store of wealth
I bought a famous gelding
That over a five yard gate could jump
I bought him from Ned Fielding.
Lord Arkinson all his coach
I robbed at Covent Garden
And two hours later that same night
I robbed an Earl at Warren.

One night I robbed at Turner Green
A revenue collector,
And what I got I gave it to
A widow to protect her.
I always robbed the rich and great,
To rob the poor I scorn it,
And now in iron chains I'm bound,
In doom I now lie borne at.

It's now in Newgate I'm confined
And by the laws convicted,
To hang on Tyburn tree's my fate
at which I'm much affrighted.
Farewell my friends and countrymen
And my native hills of Tara,
Kind providence shall test the soul
Of Valentine O'Hara.

Fergus


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Thief/Highwayman?
From: harpmolly
Date: 23 Jun 07 - 02:57 PM

D'oh!

That's as bad as the "Hmmmm, isn't there a song about a girl waiting on the shore" thread...Hmph. :P :)


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Thief/Highwayman?
From: GUEST,Jim Carroll
Date: 23 Jun 07 - 03:13 PM

Frank Harte sang the MacColl version.
The only version I have been able to find in print was the one in Joyce's Ancient Irish Music.
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Thief/Highwayman?
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 23 Jun 07 - 03:26 PM

Well, these songs of terminal regret were 10 a penny in the 17th to 19th century. Apparently it was as a result of the inadvisability of having a girlfriend with an insatiable shopping habit. They come under the banner of Adieu, Adieu, Willow Day, The Flash Lad and various towns, Newry included.

The version I like best comes from the singing of Suffolk singer Jumbo Brightwell.
And I always assumed Valentine O'Hara to be just another of those Irish mondegreens (like Shores Of Erin for Shoals Of Herring).

Maybe Jim could enlighten.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Thief/Highwayman?
From: GUEST,Jim Carroll
Date: 23 Jun 07 - 04:32 PM

MacColl's version, which he said he got from a printed Scottish text, was called Alan Tyne of Harrow; this is the one he introduced into the revival.
Frank adapted that version slightly, using the Joyce title, Valentine O'Hara; he also used the tune, which I suspect was MacColl's own. Many of MacColl's tunes were adaptations of traditional ones.
I have heard other revival singers refer to it as Ballanyne O'Hara.
Joyce (Old Irish Folk Music and Song) gives a tune (completely different to MacColl's) and two lines only.
"A bold young man named Valentine O'Hara,
Whose friends resided near the hills of Tara".
As far as I know there are no other traditional versions; Joyce's is the only one referred to in the Roud index (unless there are others in the latest version which I have not installed yet.
Jim Carroll


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