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First Annual Mudcat Living Treasure Award
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Subject: First Annual Mudcat Living Treasure Awar From: katlaughing Date: 23 Jun 07 - 02:52 PM I just received another priceless package of CDs in the mail today from Art Thieme. I say priceless because they are his own recordings of incredible people in the early 60's at house concerts in Chicago and could well be the only such recordings known and they were totally unexpected. This is not the first time I've received such "surprises" from Art and I know he's passed similar on to others. In my mind, that makes us a privileged lot. So it is, I propose to start an Annual Mudcat Living Treasure Award and nominate Art Thieme as the first one. But, wait, there's more! For this inaugural year, only, I would nominate three others to share with him: Jean Ritchie/kytrad AND Sandy & Caroline Paton of Folk Legacy. I know there are others who deserve this, too, but for this first time, that's my list. I intend to print up some nifty, suitable-for-framing awards and send them out post haste. It's a small thing and I would I could send oodles of cash, too, but it feels good to recognise them and say:
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Subject: RE: First Annual Mudcat Living Treasure Award From: Severn Date: 23 Jun 07 - 02:56 PM Good choices, all! |
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Subject: RE: First Annual Mudcat Living Treasure Award From: GUEST,Texas Guest Date: 23 Jun 07 - 04:25 PM I don't know why I never came across Art back when I was working with Michael Smith - my loss, I would say. It seems, from the threads that I have read that Art would be a wonderful person to know and if I lived in Chicago I would surely look him up. Katlaughing, I think you have a wonderful idea; but, I would hesitate to give the award to three folk(s) in one year. Not that any one of the three doesn't deserve it, on the contrary; however, I do think that you will find down the road, that if your award persists - you will run out of receipients quicker than you think. On the other hand, priming the pump with three, four, or even five for the first year and then going to an annual single award could work out just fine, too. At any rate, it's a good idea and I certainly support your efforts. Cheers. |
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Subject: RE: First Annual Mudcat Living Treasure Award From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 23 Jun 07 - 04:32 PM Good choice - and I'd add Jerry Rasmussen to that. |
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Subject: RE: First Annual Mudcat Living Treasure Award From: emjay Date: 23 Jun 07 - 04:37 PM I see noting at all wrong with naming those three for the first awards. They all are very deserving. There are others on the Cat who should receive future awards but this is a very good start. One additional thing I would add: |
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Subject: RE: First Annual Mudcat Living Treasure Award From: emjay Date: 23 Jun 07 - 04:44 PM wooops -- that disappeared before I finished. And don't forget Frank Hamilton of the Weavers! Treasures, all, and not all living. Frank posts on the Mudcat from time to time and should, I think, be recognized. What I wanted to say was there must never be a requirement that there has to be an award given every year, and if two or more are deemed to be deserving in a year, they may all be given an award in that year. Dates? Say nominations are accepted from Jan 1 to March 30 of a year, names posted for voting with biographical sketches, accomplishments, etc., and votes submitted (somehow), with winners to be announced by July 1? Or any other procedure, but procedure could and maybe should be established in advance. I like the idea very much. There can never be too many Living Treasures. And what if we all delay and we lose one of these treasures before he or she has been recognized? Perhaps provisions for posthumous awards? |
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Subject: RE: First Annual Mudcat Living Treasure Award From: katlaughing Date: 23 Jun 07 - 04:46 PM Well, thanks folks. I have been here almost ten years and I don't think I'd ever run outta folks to nominate. Jerry is a good one, too, but I am going to keep it to the initial ones I mentioned for this first year. I was thinking of where folks are along in years of living, too.:-) (No offense, Art, Jean, Sandy & Caroline!) emjay...cat got yer tongue?*bg* Thanks, again, folks. Next year's nominations will not be open until next Spring. I am working on a certificate. When I get it done and maile doff to them, I will put up a picture of it. |
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Subject: RE: First Annual Mudcat Living Treasure Award From: katlaughing Date: 23 Jun 07 - 04:47 PM Well, thanks folks. I have been here almost ten years and I don't think I'd ever run outta folks to nominate. Jerry is a good one, too, but I am going to keep it to the initial ones I mentioned for this first year. I was thinking of where folks are along in years of living, too.:-) (No offense, Art, Jean, Sandy & Caroline!) emjay...cat got yer tongue?*bg* Thanks, again, folks. Next year's nominations will not be open until next Spring. I am working on a certificate. When I get it done and maile doff to them, I will put up a picture of it. |
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Subject: RE: First Annual Mudcat Living Treasure Award From: katlaughing Date: 23 Jun 07 - 04:48 PM Oops, we cross-posted, emjay. Good points, all! We do have a memorialpage, but certainly there could be something else, too. I really want to focus on honouring the Living, though, while they are here to enjoy it. What I wanted to say was there must never be a requirement that there has to be an award given every year, and if two or more are deemed to be deserving in a year, they may all be given an award in that year. Dates? Say nominations are accepted from Jan 1 to March 30 of a year, names posted for voting with biographical sketches, accomplishments, etc., and votes submitted (somehow), with winners to be announced by July 1? I completely agree with you on those points. Thanks! |
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Subject: RE: First Annual Mudcat Living Treasure Award From: emjay Date: 23 Jun 07 - 04:56 PM Kat, you have done a good thing and perhaps will receive your own Living Treasure award one of these days. |
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Subject: RE: First Annual Mudcat Living Treasure Award From: Bill D Date: 23 Jun 07 - 05:40 PM well...I was gonna nominate Chongo Chimp, but I think those are better choices. Chongo can wait a few years. (I have received a treasured package from Art, myself...) |
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Subject: RE: First Annual Mudcat Living Treasure Award From: Charley Noble Date: 23 Jun 07 - 08:15 PM Excellent idea, Kat, and fine choices. Could we also provide them a million dollars each, not that they would accept it but wouldn't it be a nice gesture? Cheerily, Charley Noble |
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Subject: RE: First Annual Mudcat Living Treasure Award From: Sorcha Date: 23 Jun 07 - 08:53 PM THAT'S who Frank Hamilton is????? Hail, I didn't know that!!!! Agree with your choices 100% kat. |
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Subject: RE: First Annual Mudcat Living Treasure Award From: katlaughing Date: 24 Jun 07 - 09:55 AM Thanks, folks. Sorry I was kind of arbitrary with the choices and setting this up, this year. I promise everyone gets a vote next year! In the meantime, please feel free to post biographical sketches, accomplishments, etc. of the recipients of this year's award!:-) |
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Subject: RE: First Annual Mudcat Living Treasure Award From: Sandra in Sydney Date: 24 Jun 07 - 10:02 AM Art is definitely a Mudcat Living Treasure. sandra |
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Subject: RE: First Annual Mudcat Living Treasure Award From: wysiwyg Date: 24 Jun 07 - 10:22 AM Are they getting a yo-ho-ho treasure chest for display on the mantel? :~) Great choices, and well done. ~S~ |
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Subject: RE: First Annual Mudcat Living Treasure Award From: Dan Schatz Date: 24 Jun 07 - 10:54 AM Thing is, there are so many living treasures on the Mudcat. I'd include Kendall in that list, at the very least - or at least I would have until you mentioned it had to be someone getting along in years. I know better than to nominate ANYONE by that criterion. It seems to me characteristic of our particular art form (traditional music) and this kind of forum that we are able to benefit directly from the wisdom and experiences of people like these, who have not only been making good music all of their lives, but who have been helping other people make music as well. Add to that the people on this list who are enormously talented, but not so well known, who enliven and lift our gatherings whenever we're together, whose music we look forward to, even if we only know them as "that nice couple who sing Australian songs" or "you know, the big bearded guy with the guitar - no, the other one" and you have an impressive list indeed. And what about the people who may not be the world's best singers or instrumentalists, but who know more and different kinds of songs then most of the rest of us put together? And.... and... well you get the idea. It's a good idea, Kat. You're right - we'd never run out. Dan Schatz |
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Subject: RE: First Annual Mudcat Living Treasure Award From: catspaw49 Date: 24 Jun 07 - 11:13 AM Sweet Jesus.....And you call ME the "Evil Twin?" What kind of dubious award is this? A "Mudcat" Living Treasure? damn....that's kinda' like being chosen as National poster boy for the clap or something............... But since you're doing it......***sigh***.........I can't think of any better candidates. A fine group deserving of whatever honors come their way. I hope they forgive us for this one.............. Spaw |
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Subject: RE: First Annual Mudcat Living Treasure Award From: RoyH (Burl) Date: 24 Jun 07 - 02:44 PM Yep,I agree. Those three will do for me. Burl |
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Subject: RE: First Annual Mudcat Living Treasure Award From: Lin in Kansas Date: 24 Jun 07 - 02:55 PM And besides being Living Treasures, they're all just damned nice folks! Thanks, all of you. Great idea, Kat! Lin |
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Subject: RE: First Annual Mudcat Living Treasure Award From: Mooh Date: 24 Jun 07 - 03:04 PM Fantastic! Good idea, great work! Peace, Mooh. |
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Subject: RE: First Annual Mudcat Living Treasure Award From: katlaughing Date: 24 Jun 07 - 03:08 PM Ah, geez...I can already see next year's line up!! Thanks, folks!! |
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Subject: RE: First Annual Mudcat Living Treasure Award From: George Seto - af221@chebucto.ns.ca Date: 24 Jun 07 - 04:26 PM Kat!!! Wonderful idea! Thanks. I concur for this year. And to add to speculation for next year or future awards: Max Joe Dick Susan Malcolm Douglas Masato Jeri Charley Noble |
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Subject: RE: First Annual Mudcat Living Treasure Award From: Charley Noble Date: 24 Jun 07 - 05:15 PM George- Thanks, but I'm much too immature to accept an award as a LIVING TREASURE. However, I might just accept a nomination for an Ignoble Award if one were offered. But what splendid company! Cheerily, Charley Noble |
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Subject: RE: First Annual Mudcat Living Treasure Award From: Big Jim from Jackson Date: 24 Jun 07 - 08:27 PM What mechanism is going to be set up to cast our vote? I sure have full support for the four you've proposed. |
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Subject: RE: First Annual Mudcat Living Treasure Award From: Jerry Rasmussen Date: 24 Jun 07 - 08:39 PM Sheesh, Kat! That's like asking which of your kids you love the most! How could I ever choose between Art (who has been a close friend for over 30 years,) Sandy & Caroline Paton who have meant everything to me for closer to 40 years, and Kytrad, who I had the great, great honor of booking for a concert further back than it would be fair to say. They are all wonderful people, first. They've done an enormous amount for folk music (second) and are wonderful singers and musicians (third.) I'll give you switching the last two around in order but when it comes to fine human beings, you could throw all three names in the basket (Sandy'nCaroline being one) and you couldn't go wrong, whichever name you drew. You know, when they started the Baseball Hall Of Fame, they had a whole group of people who went in on the first ballot, just because there was no way to pick between so many stars. And besides, to my knowledge, none of these three candidates got where they are because they used steroids. American Heros, all!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Jerry |
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Subject: RE: First Annual Mudcat Living Treasure Award From: SINSULL Date: 24 Jun 07 - 08:45 PM Shatner? Surely he's had the most threads. |
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Subject: RE: First Annual Mudcat Living Treasure Award From: Charley Noble Date: 24 Jun 07 - 08:52 PM Another fine researcher at Mudcat that should be nominated would be "Q." Charley Noble |
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Subject: RE: First Annual Mudcat Living Treasure Award From: The Fooles Troupe Date: 24 Jun 07 - 10:26 PM Good Idea - I only have ONE negative thing to say... What's taken so long to get this idea started? :-) |
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Subject: RE: First Annual Mudcat Living Treasure Award From: Bert Date: 24 Jun 07 - 10:33 PM Good choices kat. |
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Subject: RE: First Annual Mudcat Living Treasure Award From: pdq Date: 24 Jun 07 - 10:46 PM For a prize, maybe we can get Art Thieme a good used computer so he can log-in as a member. I am willing to contribute a modest amount of money to see that happen. Art is a true wit and the most entertaining Mudcatter we have. |
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Subject: RE: First Annual Mudcat Living Treasure Award From: GUEST,Art Thieme Date: 24 Jun 07 - 11:39 PM Kat, and all you good folks--- Living, being a great treasure in itself, is something I've had for 66 years (on July 9) -- but this kind of award is the type of thing I have a rather hard time getting my mind around and feeling worthy of. (Jerry can vouch for that!) But it's good to know that some of the folks I've respected and loved through the years feel I did some things O.K. Kat, my recent memory is a very iffy thing now, as maybe I've told you. Send me an e-mail and tell me what I sent you. I recall sending it, but that's all... Art |
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Subject: RE: First Annual Mudcat Living Treasure Award From: katlaughing Date: 25 Jun 07 - 12:59 AM I'll do so tomorrow morning, Art. I understand. Now, I am pleased you are gracious enough to accept and not protest too much. Just repeat after me, "I AM worthy, I AM worthy, I AM worthy!!!!" And, we love you!! Jerrydarlin'...sorry, I should have used clearer language. I know I said I nominated them each, but what I meant was they are ALL getting the First Annual, etc. 'cause that's what I decided!**bg** pdq...we might be able to do something about that. I'll send you a PM. Fools, I hear there was some muttering about it a couple of yeas ago...maybe the timing just had to kick in? Spawdarlin'....bite me....your turn to clean the litter box! luvya'llkat |
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Subject: RE: First Annual Mudcat Living Treasure Award From: Waddon Pete Date: 25 Jun 07 - 05:42 AM This is a great idea Kat....all power to your elbow! I whole heartedly agree with the choices and also agree that you'll never be short of people to nominate in the years to come! Best wishes, Peter |
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Subject: RE: First Annual Mudcat Living Treasure Award From: Stringsinger Date: 25 Jun 07 - 11:48 AM emjay, I wanted to thank you for your kind words. It's a privilege to be in the company of Jean, Art, Mike Smith and so many others of the wonderful Mudcat crew. I have to express my appreciation to this fine Mudcat site. I've learned so much from it. Sometimes we all get cantankerous from time to time and in my case I sometimes regret the negative posts that I sent. But I think we are all passionate about the music we love....folk music. I still love it after all these years playing and singing it and know that on Mudcat we all share the same passion. When I think I'm getting tired of folk music, I hear Buell Kazee or Vera Hall or Texas Gladden and I'm reminded of why I got into this in the first place. Also Jean Ritchie who is an inspiration to me. So it's back to pickin' the banjo and singin' my favorite songs. Frank Hamilton |
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Subject: RE: First Annual Mudcat Living Treasure Award From: katlaughing Date: 25 Jun 07 - 02:33 PM You are right up there with the rest of them Frank. It has been a pleasure having you around here. Watch this space next year! |
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Subject: RE: First Annual Mudcat Living Treasure Award From: katlaughing Date: 25 Jun 07 - 04:23 PM In addition to the handy-dandy certificate I am making up for each recipient, there is a "surprise" which will be sent to each of them, too. Because it is a surprise, anyone who is interested in helping with the cost (about $50 each), should PM Rapaire or me for the details. You will have to promise not to say anything until they have all received them...then all shall be revealed!**bg** This is so much fun!! Thanks, Rapaire for a wonderful idea!! It is going to be so kewl when they all get their surprises!! |
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Subject: RE: First Annual Mudcat Living Treasure Award From: wysiwyg Date: 25 Jun 07 - 05:08 PM And just in case people don't feel they can stutter out "I AM worthy," it's OK to practice first with "I AM stuck with this." :~) You can work up to "worthy," but it won't actually change how we see ya's anyhow. :~) Art, you sent ME a treasured recording of Fred Campeau and, I believe, Jim and Vivian to replace a tape I'd caught at No Exit of them and wore plumb out. (How's THAT for a poorly-constructed sentence.) And I believe a certain saw-wielding gentleman was on there as well, so that my husband (a Chicagoan who had been too busy for the Folk Scare and lived southside anyway) could get a taste of what I'd cut MY teeth on. ~Susan |
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Subject: RE: First Annual Mudcat Living Treasure Award From: Jerry Rasmussen Date: 26 Jun 07 - 07:31 AM Tell me who I send a check to, Kat. I'd be real happy to support this. Jerry |
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Subject: RE: First Annual Mudcat Living Treasure Award From: katlaughing Date: 26 Jun 07 - 04:39 PM Jerry, I will send you a PM. Thanks! |
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Subject: RE: First Annual Mudcat Living Treasure Award From: Big Mick Date: 26 Jun 07 - 04:49 PM PM me as well, kat. I am in for a chunk. And Frank, having you on the Mudcat (in addition to Art, the Patons, Jerry Rasmussen, and Jean) just shows that the old joint has stature. You add immensely to it, and I am grateful to you for what you share with us. And I brag to friends that I get to argue with you ******chuckle******. I wish Rick were around so he could be one too!! Great idea, kat. All the best, Mick |
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Subject: RE: First Annual Mudcat Living Treasure Award From: katlaughing Date: 26 Jun 07 - 06:36 PM Just sent a PM, Mick. Thanks! I wish Rick was here for this, too. |
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Subject: RE: First Annual Mudcat Living Treasure Award From: GUEST,wordy Date: 26 Jun 07 - 07:01 PM Rick's always around on Mudcat, and he's a living treasure...in our hearts. |
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Subject: RE: First Annual Mudcat Living Treasure Award From: katlaughing Date: 27 Jun 07 - 03:19 AM That's the Truth, no doubt about it, wordy! |
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Subject: RE: First Annual Mudcat Living Treasure Award From: katlaughing Date: 27 Jun 07 - 01:56 PM After some behind-the-scenes consultations, we are going to offer these every six months for the first 2-3 years, then see about going to annually. There's a feeling that there are quite a few who ought to be recognised...so it's going to be kind of a "retroactive" thingie.*smile* So, watch this space in six months, folks, and keep those cards and letters comin'! Thanks! |
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Subject: RE: First Annual Mudcat Living Treasure Award From: GUEST,TJ in San Diego Date: 27 Jun 07 - 06:00 PM I'd throw in Travis Edmonson, of "Bud & Travis." He is still living in Arizona and, though illness prevents him from playing now, he is still very passionate about the music. Theodore Bikel is another, albeit "different" category of folk performer, who is still active at around 83. |
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Subject: RE: First Annual Mudcat Living Treasure Award From: John MacKenzie Date: 27 Jun 07 - 06:12 PM If you ever awarded it posthumously one year, you could call it the Mudcat Buried Treasure Award. G. |
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Subject: RE: First Annual Mudcat Living Treasure Award From: katlaughing Date: 27 Jun 07 - 07:55 PM Giok, LOL...Rick would appreciate that humour. TJinSD...are either of them members of Mudcat? That's a prerequisite. |
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Subject: RE: First Annual Mudcat Living Treasure Award From: katlaughing Date: 28 Jun 07 - 12:02 PM Anyone else interested in contributing a few dollars/pound/etc. to the surprise pot, please PM Rapaire or me. Thanks! |
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Subject: RE: First Annual Mudcat Living Treasure Award From: Sandy Paton Date: 28 Jun 07 - 04:44 PM Caroline and I are deeply honored and proud to be included in such wonderful company. Jean and Art are two of our favorite people and are both artists we have admired for decades. In fact, Jean's very early 10-inch LP (was it on Elektra, Jean?) was one of the recordings that first drew Caroline to this music called "folk." That may well have been in 1953. I met Art while he was still working at Rose Records in Chicago, about 1960. I was at Kroch's and Brentano's. He was just a kid, really, and when he asked about learning more about the "folk" of America, I suggested to him that he might hitch-hike around the country, meeting folks and talking/singing with them. He took me seriously and when next I heard him sing (at a festival here in Connecticut) he was an accomplished spokesperson for the American people and their music. That was when I invited him to record for Folk-Legacy, which he did. I cherish both of these long-lasting friendships, and always will. I do wish I had more free time to visit the 'Cat forum, but I do drop in when I can. Sandy |
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