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Chord Req: Drowned Lovers

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CLYDE'S WATER (3)
CLYDE'S WATER 2
THE MOTHER'S MALISON (Clyde's Water)


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Lyr Req: Drowned Lovers / Clyde Water (Kate Rusby) (35)
Lyr Req: Clyde Waters (8)


Neil 30 Oct 99 - 12:37 PM
Ed Pellow 30 Oct 99 - 07:31 PM
Jim McGuckian 15 Mar 01 - 08:30 AM
MMario 15 Mar 01 - 08:57 AM
Malcolm Douglas 15 Mar 01 - 09:06 AM
Forsh 27 Jun 07 - 03:24 PM
The Borchester Echo 27 Jun 07 - 03:43 PM
Phil Cooper 27 Jun 07 - 03:46 PM
Forsh 27 Jun 07 - 03:49 PM
The Borchester Echo 27 Jun 07 - 04:04 PM
Phil Cooper 27 Jun 07 - 04:07 PM
Forsh 27 Jun 07 - 06:24 PM
GUEST,michaelr 28 Jun 07 - 03:25 PM
The Borchester Echo 28 Jun 07 - 03:32 PM
GUEST,curtis 05 Jun 08 - 12:49 PM
Barry Finn 05 Jun 08 - 01:25 PM
GUEST,Mike 31 Aug 08 - 02:47 PM
GUEST,watfordkev 27 Jul 09 - 03:33 PM
GUEST 19 Aug 09 - 07:51 AM
GUEST 19 Aug 09 - 07:52 AM
Tim Chesterton 16 Sep 10 - 12:12 AM
pavane 16 Sep 10 - 07:05 AM
Tim Chesterton 16 Sep 10 - 07:32 AM
GUEST,Matthew Billington 16 Jan 11 - 08:38 AM
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Subject: The Drowned Lovers
From: Neil
Date: 30 Oct 99 - 12:37 PM

Could anyone tell me the chords for this song as played by Nic Jones on Penguin Eggs.


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Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: The Drowned Lovers
From: Ed Pellow
Date: 30 Oct 99 - 07:31 PM

Neil,

Nic Jones used lots of open tunings - he does for this song.

If you just want something to strum along to in normal tuning, the following should be a fair approximation:

[F] Willie sits in his [Bb] stable door
And he's [F] combing his [Bb] coal black [F] steed
And he's doubting on fair [Bb] Margaret's love
And his [F] heart [C] began to [F] bleed
"Give corn unto my [Bb] horse, mother
And [F] meat to my man [C] John
And [F] I'll away to fair [Bb] Margaret's bower
[F] Before the [Bb] night [C] comes [F] on"

It's easier with a capo at the 3rd fret, using the chords D, G and A.

Let me know if you need any more information.

Ed


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Subject: Lyr req: The drowned lovers
From: Jim McGuckian
Date: 15 Mar 01 - 08:30 AM

As done by Nick Jones & Kate Rusby. It may be knowen as Annan Water.

Thanks


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: The drowned lovers
From: MMario
Date: 15 Mar 01 - 08:57 AM

a search on annan waters yielded this thread


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: The drowned lovers
From: Malcolm Douglas
Date: 15 Mar 01 - 09:06 AM

Kate Rusby learned this song from a Nic Jones record; he adapted it from a set published by Walter Scott, which is also in the thread MMario linked to.  She also recorded a song which she called The Drowned Lovers; this she also learned from a Nic Jones record.  There is a transcription made from Kate's record here:  The Drowned Lovers  and an older, traditional version here:  THE MOTHER'S MALISON (Clyde's Water)

Malcolm


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Subject: Chord Req: Drowned Lovers
From: Forsh
Date: 27 Jun 07 - 03:24 PM

Can anyone help me with some (simple) chords for this? also, if anyone can explain what "turled low on the pin" means?
Ta!


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Subject: RE: Chord Req: Drowned Lovers
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 27 Jun 07 - 03:43 PM

Drowned Lovers/Clyde Water Child #216.

Turling on the pin means ringing the doorbell.


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Subject: RE: Chord Req: Drowned Lovers
From: Phil Cooper
Date: 27 Jun 07 - 03:46 PM

Which version? I think Nic Jones' version only uses three or so chords. Granted he's doing it in an alternate tuning, with embellishments. But I think you can get it down to fairly simple chord progression. There's a variant that Martin Carthy does for his version (titled "Clyde Waters"),which you can also get down to three chords. Don't have time at this juncture to figure them out.


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Subject: RE: Chord Req: Drowned Lovers
From: Forsh
Date: 27 Jun 07 - 03:49 PM

well thanks to both... would still like those (simple) chords though! I have been trying to figure them out, and I am but a simple man, alternative tunings, drop tunings, etc, are all on another planet from mine!


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Subject: RE: Chord Req: Drowned Lovers
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 27 Jun 07 - 04:04 PM

Tune to C modal C G C G C D
Standard C chord, up 2 frets to a D/G and play around.
Haven't tried but something like that.


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Subject: RE: Chord Req: Drowned Lovers
From: Phil Cooper
Date: 27 Jun 07 - 04:07 PM

I'm using the think method here, not using my guitar:
   D                  G             D                   G
Wille stands at his stable door, combing his milkwhite steed
    D                G                D          G       A
He's doubted on May Margaret's love and his heart began to bleed.   
   D             G               D       G       A
Give corn to my horse, Mother and meat to my man John
   D       G       D                D         G    A D
And I'll away to margaret's bower before that she lies down.


The chords may not line up when this is translated, but I tried. Good luck. I picked D as an arbitrary key.


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Subject: RE: Chord Req: Drowned Lovers
From: Forsh
Date: 27 Jun 07 - 06:24 PM

thnka Phil, et al!
D is kinda nice to work with for me, not one I use much!


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Subject: RE: Chord Req: Drowned Lovers
From: GUEST,michaelr
Date: 28 Jun 07 - 03:25 PM

Annan Water is a different song.

"turled low on the pin" I take to mean "gently rang the door bell", but I could be wrong.

Cheers,
Michael


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Subject: RE: Chord Req: Drowned Lovers
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 28 Jun 07 - 03:32 PM

Drowned Lovers is the same song as CLYDE Water.
Already said 'turling on the pin' is ringing the doorbell at 0343 above.

Ah, I see two threads have been combined.
Glad to see that somebody from 8 years ago concurs about capo at the 3rd fret . . .


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Subject: RE: Chord Req: Drowned Lovers
From: GUEST,curtis
Date: 05 Jun 08 - 12:49 PM

Anyone ever figure out a more complete Nic Jones version of the song and care to post? I like the modal tuning + playing around with a standard fingering for c and will try that.

Curtis


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Subject: RE: Chord Req: Drowned Lovers
From: Barry Finn
Date: 05 Jun 08 - 01:25 PM

The American version names the 2 main characters as Running Bear & Little White Dove, though I pefere the Voice Squad's rendering of Annan Water better.

Barry, running for the door


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Subject: RE: Chord Req: Drowned Lovers
From: GUEST,Mike
Date: 31 Aug 08 - 02:47 PM

There are (at least) two wonderful versions of Drowned Lovers/Clyde Water by Nic Jones - the Penguin Eggs track with concertina etc is great, but much darker is the solo version on Game Set Match which as far as I can tell uses open C tuning (CGCGCC). Trouble is I can't play anything else using this tuning, so I try to play using drop D (with capo on 2) - you can get some of the impact of the latter version without the hassle and audience (ie friends) irritation factor of extensive retuning.


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Subject: RE: Chord Req: Drowned Lovers
From: GUEST,watfordkev
Date: 27 Jul 09 - 03:33 PM

Can anyone advise the tuning AND the fingering for this tune as per the Game Set and Match version? I love it so much, and I've knocked myself out trying to hit the spot with it!


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Subject: RE: Chord Req: Drowned Lovers
From: GUEST
Date: 19 Aug 09 - 07:51 AM

tune to DGDGBD

On the low G-string,
play B    D   B A G
    B    D   B A G
    B    D   B   D
    G A B D B A G
while leaving the others open.


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Subject: RE: Chord Req: Drowned Lovers
From: GUEST
Date: 19 Aug 09 - 07:52 AM

Oops, mistake!

Correction:
B    D   B A G
B    D   B A G
B    D   B   A
G A B D B A G


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Subject: RE: Chord Req: Drowned Lovers
From: Tim Chesterton
Date: 16 Sep 10 - 12:12 AM

You can do it in DADGAD too, with the capo on 3 (sounds in F). It's not identical to Nic's version, but I quite like it.


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Subject: RE: Chord Req: Drowned Lovers
From: pavane
Date: 16 Sep 10 - 07:05 AM

Just to note that version I recorded from him in 1973 is close to the Game Set and Match version - I don't know the date for that version. He clearly rethought the accompaniment before recording Penguin eggs (1980).


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Subject: RE: Chord Req: Drowned Lovers
From: Tim Chesterton
Date: 16 Sep 10 - 07:32 AM

And according to the album notes from 'Unearthed', his wife didn't approve of the reworking!


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Subject: RE: Chord Req: Drowned Lovers
From: GUEST,Matthew Billington
Date: 16 Jan 11 - 08:38 AM

Does anyone have the notation for the whistle secion?


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Subject: RE: Chord Req: Drowned Lovers
From: GUEST
Date: 02 Apr 11 - 10:21 PM

To Kate Rusby's version, I put the capo on some fret and play
C/G/G/C/
C/G/F/C/
C/G/C/G/
C/G/CF/C/


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Subject: RE: Chord Req: Drowned Lovers
From: GUEST
Date: 12 Apr 17 - 03:02 PM

"Turl" revealed very little, apart from people asking this question, but then I found this at merriam-webster.com - thank you.

Definition of tirl

chiefly Scotland

intransitive verb

to make a rattling sound (as with a door latch)

Makes sense, and with the Scottish connection too, this seems to be the answer.


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