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Subject: BS: English Sandwich?
From: Duke
Date: 28 Jun 07 - 12:24 PM

I watch Coronation St. and the people are allways going into Roy's for a bacon butty. Not sure of the spelling. What the hell is it?


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Subject: RE: BS: English Sandwich?
From: Megan L
Date: 28 Jun 07 - 12:35 PM

Duke its heaven betwean two slices of bread. Unless of course you are a vegetarian or have religeous objections to pork :)

three slices of bacon fried thick slices of buttered bread and smothered in HP sauce.


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Subject: RE: BS: English Sandwich?
From: GUEST,Canadienne
Date: 28 Jun 07 - 12:44 PM

the food of the Gods


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Subject: RE: BS: English Sandwich?
From: sian, west wales
Date: 28 Jun 07 - 12:56 PM

Oooo ... not sure about that, Canadienne (Viva!). Granary bread? Bit artsy-fartsy. Should be white, and go all stodgy when hot bacon hits cold butter.

sian


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Subject: RE: BS: English Sandwich?
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 28 Jun 07 - 01:05 PM

That looks like Irish bacon on the photo.


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Subject: RE: BS: English Sandwich?
From: MBSLynne
Date: 28 Jun 07 - 01:41 PM

A butty is just a sandwich. Chip butties are also cool!

Love Lynne


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Subject: RE: BS: English Sandwich?
From: wysiwyg
Date: 28 Jun 07 - 01:52 PM

A butty is just a sandwich.

Hm, I'm wearing mine......

~S~


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Subject: RE: BS: English Sandwich?
From: Rog Peek
Date: 28 Jun 07 - 02:01 PM

For the benefit of our American friends, chips are french fries. Actually, I am quite partial to crisp sandwiches, crisps being potato chips.


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Subject: RE: BS: English Sandwich?
From: TheSnail
Date: 28 Jun 07 - 02:02 PM

All expained The Bacon Butty. Can't find it in DT though.


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Subject: RE: BS: English Sandwich?
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 28 Jun 07 - 02:07 PM

HP? Abomination!!!

Daddies every time. Must be squishy sliced white bread. And no butter!

I think this may be Birmingham rules.


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Subject: RE: BS: English Sandwich?
From: Folkiedave
Date: 28 Jun 07 - 02:15 PM

Sheffield Rules

Henderson's Relish Known locally as Hendo's.

No that I eat bacon.


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Subject: RE: BS: English Sandwich?
From: gnu
Date: 28 Jun 07 - 02:47 PM

A sandwich with only bacon and butter. Sounds delicious. Just thinking about it makes my..... aaargggghhhh............ call 911!


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Subject: RE: BS: English Sandwich?
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 28 Jun 07 - 02:49 PM

HP/Daddies etc is just brown muck left over from the last mudslide. English mustard with my butties every time - Colemans no less.
Dijon mustard for nouvelle cuisine.
Ketchup for the McButt.


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Subject: RE: BS: English Sandwich?
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 28 Jun 07 - 02:50 PM

Dave, I saw that stuff in Sheffield. It's really wet, isn't it? Like Worcestershire? What must that do to the bread?


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Subject: RE: BS: English Sandwich?
From: Folkiedave
Date: 28 Jun 07 - 03:12 PM

Subject: RE: BS: English Sandwich?
From: Ruth Archer - PM
Date: 28 Jun 07 - 02:07 PM

Must be squishy sliced white bread. And no butter!


Subject: RE: BS: English Sandwich?
From: Ruth Archer - PM
Date: 28 Jun 07 - 02:50 PM

Dave, I saw that stuff in Sheffield. It's really wet, isn't it? Like Worcestershire? What must that do to the bread?


Makes the bread squishy.....I thought that is what you wanted!!

The great advantage of Hendo's (over Lea and Perrins and other Worcestershire sauces) is that there are no anchovies in it thus making it suitable for vegetarians. Thus your average vegetarian using Hendo's can eat a bacon sandwich.

If it wasn't for the bacon of course.......

I'm coming doctor....


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Subject: RE: BS: English Sandwich?
From: Dazbo
Date: 28 Jun 07 - 03:45 PM

Forget the brown sauce, add a fried egg for heaven!


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Subject: RE: BS: English Sandwich?
From: Bizibod
Date: 28 Jun 07 - 03:49 PM

Then lean over the sink to eat it...


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Subject: RE: BS: English Sandwich?
From: Ebbie
Date: 28 Jun 07 - 03:57 PM

Bizibod, I prefer leaning over a toilet at a moment like that. :)


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Subject: RE: BS: English Sandwich?
From: Megan L
Date: 28 Jun 07 - 04:01 PM

Ah if you are having it with an egg the egg must be runny yolked and the sauce must be ketchup :)


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Subject: RE: BS: English Sandwich?
From: Duke
Date: 28 Jun 07 - 04:05 PM

How about that? I've been eating them for years and didn't know it!


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Subject: RE: BS: English Sandwich?
From: Megan L
Date: 28 Jun 07 - 04:07 PM

he he he aye lad languages is a wonderfu thing.


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Subject: RE: BS: English Sandwich?
From: gnomad
Date: 28 Jun 07 - 04:42 PM

Nah, no sauce, no butter, just lightly crisp the inside faces of the bread in the hot pan, that's perfection in a bacon buttie.


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Subject: RE: BS: English Sandwich?
From: MBSLynne
Date: 28 Jun 07 - 04:48 PM

Fancy spoiling it with sauce!

I prefer mine toasted though. One side only and with the bacon between the untoasted sides. The slices really thin so they are crunchy. Preferably smoked bacon....

Love Lynne


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Subject: RE: BS: English Sandwich?
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 28 Jun 07 - 05:14 PM

Did someone say ketchup? With fried egg?

*gags*


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Subject: RE: BS: English Sandwich?
From: Les from Hull
Date: 28 Jun 07 - 05:23 PM

It's also called a bacon banjo over here - presumably a slang reference to the Bacon Banjo Co.


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Subject: RE: BS: English Sandwich?
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 28 Jun 07 - 05:25 PM

Yeah!!! Tomato ketchup with runny fried egg - known as 'dead dog's eye'...

Bacon butties - best made from white plastic bread (the sort you can roll into balls for baiting fish hooks), really, REALLY crispy bacon that goes snap when you bite it, held together with butter and Heinz tomato ketchup. Contains all of the 4 main food groups -> stodge, grease, salt and BCBs.*

LTS
























* Burnt Crunchy Bits.


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Subject: RE: BS: English Sandwich?
From: curmudgeon
Date: 28 Jun 07 - 05:28 PM

This may be considered heresy, but I like toasted multi-grain bread, lightly brushed with melted butter wrapped around two or three slices of crip bacon. A fried egg on the side with runny yolk for dipping is a plus - Tom


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Subject: RE: BS: English Sandwich?
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 28 Jun 07 - 05:45 PM

Liz, no, no way, not crispy bacon! Well cooked, yes, and it must be thick cut, so that you have to tear bites off it, not end up with a snowstorm of crunchy bacon.


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Subject: RE: BS: English Sandwich?
From: Anne Lister
Date: 28 Jun 07 - 05:55 PM

I'm personally in the "no sauce" team, but butter is good and the bacon must be well done.

A surprising discovery is that you can make very good BLTs in pitta bread. And then it's all a question of the right tomatoes. And decent mayo.

Anne


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Subject: RE: BS: English Sandwich?
From: sian, west wales
Date: 28 Jun 07 - 06:00 PM

OK - what's the current thinking on fried onions then?

sian


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Subject: RE: BS: English Sandwich?
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 28 Jun 07 - 06:16 PM

Nowhere near the bacon butty. Have the fried onions with a burger, if you want, or with a hot dog; any non-descript meat goes with fried onions. Not bacon, though.


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Subject: RE: BS: English Sandwich?
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 28 Jun 07 - 06:27 PM

I think the small white bap, aka the bacon roll, with plenty of hot English mustard (Colemans from the powder is good) and salted butter is the best combination. These are often found at All-Wheel-Drive club meets.


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Subject: RE: BS: English Sandwich?
From: terrier
Date: 28 Jun 07 - 06:59 PM

I agree with ALL of the above, but am I the only person in the world to have melted CHEESE on my BB?


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Subject: RE: BS: English Sandwich?
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 28 Jun 07 - 08:51 PM

Never had anything like those, and I can't say I'm tempted. But over here in the U.S. we specialize (in season) in BLTs. I make homemade bread and toast it, then use a good slathering of mayonaise, crisp lettuce, a ripe garden tomato (grocery store kind just doesn't work--it has to be so ripe and sweet and acid it takes the enamel off your teeth) and crisp slices (rashers to you Brits) of bacon. Two or three, depending on the thickness or size.

Assemble it carefully, then with the flat of your hand, lean on the sandwich and compress it all a bit. Don't cut it, bits will just fall out. Eat it over a plate or the sink, because the mayo won't glue everything in and the fresh tomatoes will drip.

Mmmmmmm!

SRS


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Subject: RE: BS: English Sandwich?
From: Bert
Date: 28 Jun 07 - 09:21 PM

Fresh homemade bread. No sauce or ketchup. Just butter the bread add the bacon and a dash of white pepper to taste.


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Subject: RE: BS: English Sandwich?
From: Don Firth
Date: 28 Jun 07 - 09:48 PM

I marvel at the apparent infinite variety of the bacon butty. Sounds like a heart attack on a plate.

But what a wonderful way to go!

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: English Sandwich?
From: Bee
Date: 28 Jun 07 - 10:04 PM

If we manage to export poutine to the UK, adding that to their bacon butty diet will definitely end with them all having heart attacks!

(Poutine, for those who don't know, is chips/french fries and gobs of cheese curd with hot gravy poured all over - a distinctively Canadian treat.)


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Subject: RE: BS: English Sandwich?
From: Bill D
Date: 28 Jun 07 - 10:21 PM

*trying to tabulate, but I get 23 people and 27 opinions so far* Maybe there should be a National Butt-Off with blind tastings....no, wait...they'd never find 3 impartial judges.

(sounds like polling folks in the US about 'proper' BBQ!)


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Subject: RE: BS: English Sandwich?
From: Sorcha
Date: 28 Jun 07 - 10:58 PM

Bill, don't even START about proper bbq....we can't even decide what the damn word means here.....!!!!! Bloody brits put 'burgers on the barbie'....eh????


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Subject: RE: BS: English Sandwich?
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 29 Jun 07 - 12:06 AM

Barbie!!! That's the fire from OZ! Now they will get involved. I think they put 'roo and sheep on the barbie-

About every two weeks (fortnight) we make our own version of a bacon butty, cocking a snook at the good diet people.

1. Rather thick slices of white bread

2. Fry Thick-sliced bacon (we use Schneiders) but not to crispness-       it must be on the limp side.
3. Slice aged white cheddar
4. Slice good tomatoes

Put the above between the bread slices. The bacon should be hot from the frying. The cheese should be slightly melted, which means a little top burner heat before adding the tomato and top bread slice. Toast in an oven or toaster-oven, buttering the bread and turning it over to butter both sides.
Serve on a warm plate.

We slice into two rectangular halves for easier handling.

Once we did the sandwiches monte cristo style, coating with beaten egg and frying, but, to use an old expression, that is too much sugar for a dime.


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Subject: RE: BS: English Sandwich?
From: Gurney
Date: 29 Jun 07 - 12:06 AM

Bill D, I prefer mine soft-fried, on white bread very lightly fried in the bacon fat. No sauce, why gild the lily?

28.

I'd eat them any way I can get them.


Cholesterol City. As I'm wed, I get them seldom. I tell her, "I don't WANT to live forever!"   
It doesn't work.


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Subject: RE: BS: English Sandwich?
From: katlaughing
Date: 29 Jun 07 - 12:13 AM

Some previous thoughts on buttys...


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Subject: RE: BS: English Sandwich?
From: Sorcha
Date: 29 Jun 07 - 01:30 AM

LIMP bacon? Are you outta yer mind???? BACON must be crisp!!! And on a bacon butty, very crrrrriisssssppp! Near to burnt!

LOLOLOL....ah the vagaries of life and food. Gotta love it.

Around here, it's a Summer Sandwich...American Classic BLT. Toasted white bread, mayo (NOT salad dressing/Miracle Whip), REAL home grown tomatoes, some kind of leaf lettuce (red oak, romaine, etc...) and LOTS of CRISP bacon. Cheese of choice and avocado slices optional.

PS...avocado makes it a BLAT.

What I need to know is the real difference between a 'butty' and a sandwich. Eh?


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Subject: RE: BS: English Sandwich?
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 29 Jun 07 - 03:04 AM

Sandwich is/can be more elaborate. A butty is thrown together quickly; the best example is the chip (french fries) butty, two slices of bread, any bread, and a handful of chips. Or even (and that holds for the bacon butty too), a single soft slice of bread, something on it, then folded in half. Jam butty, chip butty, bacon butty.

Sandwich is posh. Butty is folkie food.


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Subject: RE: BS: English Sandwich?
From: Megan L
Date: 29 Jun 07 - 03:22 AM

All this talk of butties reminded me of one trip south a transport cafe somewhere near the Shap at 3 in the morning   -   Ahhhhhhhh now theres butty heaven real soul food.

What ever happened to real transport caffs two doors one for poncy car drivers wie poncy prices and one for real men ;) lino floor formica tables and plenty of stodge. Mind you some of them did the best damned home cooked food youve ever tasted and in quantities that would have sunk a battleship.


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Subject: RE: BS: English Sandwich?
From: GUEST,Paul Burke
Date: 29 Jun 07 - 03:31 AM

In the eary 1970s, the Midland Hotel in Manchester was refurbished, and a new posh bar extension added. They wanted a name that would reflect its location, and also its nature as an annexe. The hotel being by a canal, they chose the name of the unpowered boat towed by the powered narrow boat- and called it the Butty Bar. Imagine their surprise when Mancunians came in at lunchtime expecting bacon butties...


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Subject: RE: BS: English Sandwich?
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 29 Jun 07 - 03:36 AM

I think it's important here to distinguish between American bacon and English bacon. The bacon Americans have for breakfast and put on a BLT is what in the UK is called streaky bacon - much higher ratio of fat to meat. Plus it's sliced more thinly in America, so the only way to cook it, really, is crisply. That's why all this talk of non-crispy bacon in a butty is making the Americans gag - who wants a strip of flaccid fat?

The bacon used at breakfast and for a butty in the UK is usually back bacon - mostly meat, with a bit of fat along the edge. It's about two or three times thicker than American bacon - my (American) mother always says "I love that ham you have with your breakfast over there..." Many people don't fry their bacon in the UK, they grill it (that's broiling to the American contingent). So getting back bacon to be crisp takes a fair bit of cooking, and would make it pretty dry.

Oh, the other big difference is that pretty much all the bacon you get in supermarkets and diners and such in America is smoked. In England, you have a choice. A lot of people seem to prefer unsmoked bacon on a butty - for me, it's smoked every time.

There endeth the lesson.


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Subject: RE: BS: English Sandwich?
From: Captain Ginger
Date: 29 Jun 07 - 03:39 AM

To digress a tad, the bacon banjo is the bastard offspring of the egg banjo - the squaddie's fast food of choice for generations. A proper egg banjo is two slices of white bread with a fried egg in between with a runny yolk.
The name comes from the inevitable moment that comes when the yolk is broached; the eater stands there with left arm outstretched holding the remains of the egg banjo while the right hand frantically frails to get the yolk off the front of one's windproofs.
According to legend there was a choddy wagon on Mount Olympus specifically to serve the gods the finest egg banjoes.


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Subject: RE: BS: English Sandwich?
From: Folkiedave
Date: 29 Jun 07 - 04:04 AM

A little thread drift which may amuse you on the difference between American bacon and English bacon.

When the Glen Rock Carol Singers came to Sheffield in 2002 - they were treated to a full English breakfast soon after their overnight flight. Many had never left America before.

As the (plated) breakfast came out one of them took a look at the slices of back bacon neatly grilled lying on a plate, turned to his companion and whispered "I think this bacon is raw".

I dread to tell you what they thought of the black pudding. No doubt they put maple syrup on it.


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Subject: RE: BS: English Sandwich?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 29 Jun 07 - 04:14 AM

You lot have just christened my lunch! Here in Newcastle Business Park, by the side of the river Tyne, we are lucky enough to have a choice of a fantastic Butty Wagon for the perfect bacon 'stotty' - Add to it what you will - I personaly like balck pudding with it but I am a Lancashire pervert...

The other choice is a fantastic deli where there is a great choice of fillings and bread. One I am quite proud of inventing is Spanish Chorizo and Pease Pudding - named the Julio Geordio after the fast show chracater. Their best bacon butties, IMO, are with bown sauce on Ciabatta bread.

I'm already hungry and it's only 9:15:-(

Cheers

Dave


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Subject: RE: BS: English Sandwich?
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 29 Jun 07 - 04:19 AM

chorizo and pease pudding - that makes sense. I like doing a little tapas thingy with canellini beans and chorizo - not a million miles away from your butty.

Calling it Julio Geordio is genius.

Black pudding and maple syrup - mmmmmmmmm....


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Subject: RE: BS: English Sandwich?
From: MBSLynne
Date: 29 Jun 07 - 04:23 AM

Definitely crispy bacon...brown but not black. I use homemade bread but a couple of days old so I can slice it more thinly. I have to admit that as nice as a homemade bacon butty is a proper roadside transport cafe bacon cob. Those I DO like with fried egg.

What's wrong with burgers on the Barbie? What do you guys use? Went to a BBQ last w/e where they had a makeshift barbecue burning wood. The burgers (fresh made at the butchers, not supermarket) were the best I've ever tasted. The slightly burnt outside tasted far better when burnt over wood rather than charcoal.

I was always a bit taken aback when I first came to England, at what was cooked on barbecues here. In Australia I'd been used to steaks.

Love Lynne


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Subject: RE: BS: English Sandwich?
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 29 Jun 07 - 04:25 AM

Lovely as a bacon buttie is, I can't help thinking it's surpassed by the sausage buttie.

Discuss.


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Subject: RE: BS: English Sandwich?
From: Joe Offer
Date: 29 Jun 07 - 04:39 AM

Better to go to York for a pork sarnie - Bill Sables introduced me to them. A big slab of (relatively lean) pork in a bun. Good stuff.
-Joe-


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Subject: RE: BS: English Sandwich?
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 29 Jun 07 - 04:44 AM

there's a shop just off Walsall market that only sells hot pork cobs. Gorgeous.


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Subject: RE: BS: English Sandwich?
From: Llanfair
Date: 29 Jun 07 - 04:44 AM

The one vital ingredient to all these recipes is the "I've worked really hard and I'm starving" one.
Bacon butties aren't snack food, they are a well deserved treat after hard work or a night on the town, a standard hangover cure.

Also the test of a TRUE vegetarian. Many a teenage wannabe vegan has fallen at this fence!!


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Subject: RE: BS: English Sandwich?
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 29 Jun 07 - 04:57 AM

Llanfair,youare so right. My daughter, when she was 14 or so, tried to go vegeterian for about 6 months. When I spotted her gobbling a bacon butty and enquired as to the sincerity of her resolve, she simply said that bacon doesn't count.

A good bacon butty should not become a banjo - i.e. it shouldn't drip, the fat should all be absorbed by the bread. If one has a soft fried egg with it, it's different of course, then banjo playing is an inevitability.

I wonder if our American friends have understood the significance of the term "banjo" in reference to runny butties.


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Subject: RE: BS: English Sandwich?
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 29 Jun 07 - 05:00 AM

Sorcha - you are talking about a culinary experience. These guys are talking mindless self gratification.


Its the difference between sex in DH Lawrence (running into a cathedral, with the sunlit streaming through your being....blah, blah, blah) and the porn channel.

thats the essential difference between sandwiches and butties.


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Subject: RE: BS: English Sandwich?
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 29 Jun 07 - 05:08 AM

who wants a strip of flaccid fat?


Thus goes my life motto.

LTS


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Subject: RE: BS: English Sandwich?
From: GUEST,PMB
Date: 29 Jun 07 - 05:09 AM

Do they have butties on the porn channel WLD? I thought it would have been soixante oeufs.


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Subject: RE: BS: English Sandwich?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 29 Jun 07 - 05:37 AM

Ron, That looks like Irish bacon on the photo.

Is that Irish/Irish bacon or American/Irish bacon? The only bacon I know of that Ireland is famous for, certainly around the south west, is the big lump of salted pig that you have to boil for about a week!

Is this another case of the Americans thinking that anything good has to be Irish rather than English? Rather like the Irish albums that are full of English music;-)

But let's not start that discussion off again...

Cheers

Dave


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Subject: RE: BS: English Sandwich?
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 29 Jun 07 - 05:53 AM

Megan the transport cafe halfway up Shap was called The Jungle Caff, long gone I'm afraid, it has now become a caravan dealer's.
A bacon 'piece' made with toasted Scottish batch bread,this is a loaf with an open texture and with only a crust top and bottom, is a treat indeed. As is a piece made with an Aberdeen Buttery
But there's nothing on earth to beat one made with a crisp Scottish morning roll, substitute, or add, black pudding, and you are in nirvana.
A banjo is Indian Army slang for a sandwich, and I think derives from the Indian foodstuffs called Bhajees.
Giok


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Subject: RE: BS: English Sandwich?
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 29 Jun 07 - 05:59 AM

Sorry forgot to add, I make my own bacon as I can't stand the average shop bought saline injected dead pig slices, nor can I afford the good dry cured stuff in shops.
Apart from my own bacon the best shop bought bacon I ever found was in Australia.
G.


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Subject: RE: BS: English Sandwich?
From: Megan L
Date: 29 Jun 07 - 06:29 AM

Sausage is ok but it must be a lorne ye get two lornes tae a scottish loaf. ach noo ahm homesick.


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Subject: RE: BS: English Sandwich?
From: Blowzabella
Date: 29 Jun 07 - 06:37 AM

I love my bacon grilled nearly to a frazzle - so that it snaps .... my favourite maker of the butty being either stotty cake, floury rolls or those lovely Scottish morning rolls ... but also like ciabatta. Tomato ketchup for me, please.

I like to keep my egg butty separate from my bacon butty.

And, much as I adore smokey bacon, I find that it makes me have a raging thirst afterwards, which requires sooo much tea I am virtually confined to the loo afterwards ...so now stick to back bacon.

Sausage sarnies are wonderful too ... requiring copious amounts of english mustard, of course.


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Subject: RE: BS: English Sandwich?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 29 Jun 07 - 07:15 AM

I decided I was that hungry after reading all this that I went for bacon AND sausage on ciabatta with mustard. Mmmmmmmm.

Should see me through till tea time:-)

D.


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Subject: RE: BS: English Sandwich?
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 29 Jun 07 - 07:19 AM

I shall be having ciabattas warmed in the Rayburn, with ham off the bone and piccalilli for my lunchtime 'Pieces'
G


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Subject: RE: BS: English Sandwich?
From: MBSLynne
Date: 29 Jun 07 - 07:22 AM

Not just teenaged vegetarians. It's the one thing that most adult vegetarians I know have either given in to or been on the verge of doing.

Giok, I expect you smoke your bacon do you? I've salted my own bacon before but it was terribly salty. (Yes, well, I guess one might expect that?). Someone has told me that if I pour boiling water over it and leave it a minute then dry it it's ok. I may have another go.

The most enjoyable 'fry-ups' of any kind that I've had have been after getting up at the crack of dawn, going and milking cows, cleaning up afterwards, then going in for breakfast. Tastes better than at any other time. And of course, it's necessary to have a large mug (preferably a pint) of hot tea afterwards. That's loose tea made in a tea pot, not bags....but then that's a whole other discussion!

Love Lynne


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Subject: RE: BS: English Sandwich?
From: Folkiedave
Date: 29 Jun 07 - 08:19 AM

but then that's a whole other discussion!

I'll start a thread on that one!!


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Subject: RE: BS: English Sandwich?
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 29 Jun 07 - 08:23 AM

It still has to be salted before it's smoked Lynne, I expect you used too much salt, I had that problem at first especially as I used ordinary household salt, and in large quantities.
G


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Subject: RE: BS: English Sandwich?
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 29 Jun 07 - 08:39 AM

"am I the only person in the world to have melted CHEESE on my BB?"

Time I think, for El Greko to mention Haloumi...


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Subject: RE: BS: English Sandwich?
From: Toobusybee
Date: 29 Jun 07 - 09:15 AM

Sausage sandwich with brown sauce for breakfast;

Cheese and onion sandwich for lunch ....

and I live on a butty....


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Subject: RE: BS: English Sandwich?
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 29 Jun 07 - 09:22 AM

Haloumi is rubberised milk - not cheese. To this mainland Greek, that Cypriot so-called-cheese is anathema and an affront to the tastebuds.


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Subject: RE: BS: English Sandwich?
From: MBSLynne
Date: 29 Jun 07 - 09:26 AM

I used proper coarse salt mixed with saltpetre. I think I used the right quantity...I had a recipe. Trouble is you need to use enough to preserve the stuff so if you cut it down too much it won't keep. I salt my own ham and that's not a problem cos I then boil it, so I bring it to the boil and pour off the water, then boil it in clean water. I guess that's the idea behind pouring boiling water over the bacon.


Love Lynne


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Subject: RE: BS: English Sandwich?
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 29 Jun 07 - 09:59 AM

I developed my taste for Haloumi when at work. The Office Manager was Greek and she organised the catering for the Work 'Customer Evenings' - her rellies would come in with the big racks of skewered meats, etc, she would prepare lots of tasty treats, and when I mentioned to her that I had never been game to try Haloumi - she told me she would ensure I got to know it. Properly prepared - it's yummy!

The ultimate sandwich - no need for bread either!


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Subject: RE: BS: English Sandwich?
From: Desdemona
Date: 29 Jun 07 - 10:08 AM

We live near Boston, but spend part of every summer with my family in Warwickshire. A few years ago, we were all eating fish and chips when my cousin and I began extolling the wondrous virtues of chip butties. My sons were aghast at the notion--we ordinarily eat a pretty healthy diet--but we told them to reserve judgement until they'd tried it. Unsurprisingly, they loved them, and while we all agreed that it's not the sort of thing to eat EVERY DAY, it's definitely something to eat while we're there...we leave in 2 weeks, and now I'm experiencing a positive craving!

~D


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Subject: RE: BS: English Sandwich?
From: Stu
Date: 29 Jun 07 - 10:44 AM

After only a brief mention on this thread, I think we need to re-introduce black pud to the butty discussion.

A bacon and black pudding butty with red sauce - bliss. Note: Bacon is best bought from local butchers where it won't be the water-filled plastic the supermarkets pass for bacon. It's often a lot less fatty too. Black pud - once again, locally bought is best, Bury is best of all, especially if you buy it fresh of the market. Bread - white every time from cheapo sliced to doorstops of freshly baked, but barm cakes, muffins and stotties are also very much allowed - especially when combining bacon with egg/sausage or black pudding.

Yum.


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Subject: RE: BS: English Sandwich?
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 29 Jun 07 - 10:53 AM

There you go. What great culinary delicacies can one expect in a country where flavours are described by colour (re sauce, white sauce, black pudding etc). I rest my case.

And reach for the plain bacon butty, with yellow sauce.


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Subject: RE: BS: English Sandwich?
From: Trevor
Date: 29 Jun 07 - 10:54 AM

Mmmmmmmmm..........
Baaaaacccconnn Sammos!
A49, Prees Heath, Midway Truck Stop - THE BEST.
My son recently brought home some Irish brown sauce - much too sweet for my taste. Guess it's cos I'm a Black Country boy who likes his HP.
I remember my Dad coming out with the famous gag - 'We could 'ave some baircon 'n eggs if we 'ad some baircon. Trouble is, we ay got no eggs...'


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Subject: RE: BS: English Sandwich?
From: GUEST,PMB
Date: 29 Jun 07 - 11:40 AM

George! I suppose you don't drink red wine, or eat haricots verts, or yellow peppers.

Any more food snobbery and we'll remind you that Greek fish and chip shops were considered the lowest of the low back when I wuz a lad...


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Subject: RE: BS: English Sandwich?
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 29 Jun 07 - 11:52 AM

Greek fish and chip shops the worst? And rightly so - every Greek knows that fish should be grilled or fried, with a little olive oil and lemon. So they were betraying their own better sense by drenching them in batter and deep-frying them to buggery. (Though I bet pound to a penny they were Cypriots, not Greeks - different cuisine altogether).

OK, point taken about red wine etc. I was taking the mickey anyway. And as about food snobbery - I didn't get where I am today (135kg) by being snobbish about food!

And yes, we had fish and chips bakalau et pommes frites last night...


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Subject: RE: BS: English Sandwich?
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 29 Jun 07 - 12:04 PM

I had fish and chips from a van in your home town George, very dry and bony it was too, I suspect it was made with bacalhau.
The thing about naming our food by it's colour is that the English are notoriously squeamish, and blood pudding wouldn't be half as popular as black pudding.
Think sweetbreads
Giok ¦¬]


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Subject: RE: BS: English Sandwich?
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 29 Jun 07 - 12:10 PM

Actually George, I have heard that it was Chinese immigrants who accidentally - because of the language barrier - got on the wromng boat and ended up, not in the USA working on teh goldfields and railways, but England, who eked out a living by sharing their food culture - by taking small pieces of fish and battering & frying them them - not an unheard of Oriental food preparation technique - as well as chopping up small chunks of a cheap readily available vegetable and serving them too....
:-P


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Subject: RE: BS: English Sandwich?
From: Megan L
Date: 29 Jun 07 - 12:13 PM

Ah but did they deep fry pizzas?


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Subject: RE: BS: English Sandwich?
From: Don Firth
Date: 29 Jun 07 - 01:36 PM

In the History of the Sandwich, probably second only to the Earl of Sandwich himself, is this gentleman:    CLICKY #1.

Of course, maintaining quality control over ingredients is important, or things can tend to get a bit out of hand:    CLICKY #2.

And in conclusion:    CLICKY #3.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: English Sandwich?
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 29 Jun 07 - 02:41 PM

the thing is about the bacon butty - you would be wasting good food if you stuck it in two bits of Mothers Pride sort of bread. You just want some pungent sauce in all that processed crap, for a good bacon butty.

The same goes for sausage - who would waste a good lincolnshire sausage, by sandwiching it, or (more to the point) buttifying it?


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Subject: RE: BS: English Sandwich?
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 29 Jun 07 - 02:55 PM

Well Al, you know what they say.

Butty is in the eye of the bap holder.

G


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Subject: RE: BS: English Sandwich?
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 29 Jun 07 - 03:06 PM

Robin, I love your theory. It should have been true, if there was any justice...


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Subject: RE: BS: English Sandwich?
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 29 Jun 07 - 03:43 PM

Back bacon readily available in any good grocery or supermarket in America; usually called Canadian Bacon. Generally sold unsliced; one cuts to the thickness desired.

In the sandwich I was talking about I use top quality streaky bacon, thick-sliced. Too crisp and all the great, lovely fatty taste disappears. Price varies according to quality; the best is at least twice the price of the ordinary.

Canadian (back) bacon is expensive relative to streaky; usually we serve it with eggs, sliced thick, lightly cooked and never dried out.


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Subject: RE: BS: English Sandwich?
From: MBSLynne
Date: 29 Jun 07 - 03:49 PM

Black pudding...yuk!

The English didn't start the trend of naming their food by colour...blancmange has been around a long time!

Greek and/or Cypriot fish and chip shops are THE best. Either in England or Australia, the best fish and chips I ever had have been sold by Greeks or Greek Cypriots. The same as the best ice cream is made by the Italians. Now ice cream.......'nother thread FolkieDave?

Love Lynne


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Subject: RE: BS: English Sandwich?
From: Llanfair
Date: 29 Jun 07 - 04:41 PM

Ah, Trevor, the Midway Truck stop!! Most famous transport cafe in the UK!!


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Subject: RE: BS: English Sandwich?
From: Megan L
Date: 29 Jun 07 - 04:42 PM

Now wrap the bacon around a nice slice of haggis and you are approaching nirvana. :p


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Subject: RE: BS: English Sandwich?
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 29 Jun 07 - 04:54 PM

Megan, really! I like haggis, but on its own please, it needs no added flavours.

In truth, I think the butty is disappearing. Now the office workers all want "subs", fancy bread, mayo - I ask you - and the poor honest butty is going the way of some folk clubs.

We need a butty revival movement! We need "butty bars" to open, with Make Your Own offers (pay a pound to get one slice of bread, stuff whatever you want in it and fold it).


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Subject: RE: BS: English Sandwich?
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 29 Jun 07 - 05:22 PM

I dunno about that. theres one folk club I go to and they use these industrial quality chips. the locals all scoff them up, but I reckon they've been cooked in engine oil.


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Subject: RE: BS: English Sandwich?
From: Folkiedave
Date: 29 Jun 07 - 06:34 PM

Ice cream as a thread.....what a lovely thought..........


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Subject: RE: BS: English Sandwich?
From: Megan L
Date: 29 Jun 07 - 06:40 PM

aye but yer clothes wid fall tae bits. especially if it got hot


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Subject: RE: BS: English Sandwich?
From: Joe Offer
Date: 29 Jun 07 - 07:10 PM

A food thread can go on for about twenty messages and be very stimulating to my appetite. The first day of the life of this thread, I had a real yearning for a bacon butty, especially since I've never had one. Around about message twenty, I had heard enough of buttys that I didn't want one, but then I started craving a pork sarnie.
Now I just feel full, stuffed to the gills. Can't think of food any more.
Maybe if I keep reading food threads, I'll start losing weight.

-Joe-


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Subject: RE: BS: English Sandwich?
From: Dave Roberts
Date: 29 Jun 07 - 07:36 PM

I'm sorry if someone has mentioned this before but surely what is being discussed here is a bacon sandwich rather than a bacon 'butty'?

Any Liverpudlian will tell you that a 'butty' is ONE slice of bread (the crust of the bread for preference) thickly buttered and finished off with dollops of jam.

The 'jam butty' of Ken Dood and the Diddymen fame, in fact.

Though I'm prepared to concede that, through custom and practice, 'bacon butty' might be considered legitimate by some, even though TWO slices of bread are involved.

Perhaps I should get out more?


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Subject: RE: BS: English Sandwich?
From: Dave Roberts
Date: 29 Jun 07 - 07:38 PM

'Ken Dood' being 'Ken Dodd' in reality. Proofreading goes out of the window in the early hours of a Saturday morning.


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Subject: RE: BS: English Sandwich?
From: The Walrus
Date: 29 Jun 07 - 09:33 PM

To add my own two penn'orth.

For the best Bacon buttie - use Middle cut bacon and, as with the better sausage sarnies, this should be between two thick slices cut from a fresh loaf (hand cut from a REAL with a bread saw - NOT that pre sliced muck) - as for toppings you pays your money and you takes your choice.

Walrus.


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Subject: RE: BS: English Sandwich?
From: JennieG
Date: 29 Jun 07 - 09:58 PM

At folk festivals here in Oz there is usually a 'Poets Breakfast' - ie. listening to poetry recitals while having one's freshly cooked bacon and egg roll. Sublime. Soft white roll, crispy bacon, runny egg and sauce.

Some wusses just go for the poetry with no bacon and egg roll......!

I never make them at home, that's our treat when we go to a festival.

Cheers
JennieG


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Subject: RE: BS: English Sandwich?
From: MBSLynne
Date: 30 Jun 07 - 05:24 AM

Dave, the Liverpudlian butty you are talking about is the ancestor of the modern butty. That's where it all started, but butties, like so many organic things, evolve.

Guess what I just had for breakfast??

I've just recently found an old fashioned butcher's shop near me, which I've started to use regularly. They not only slaughter the animals themselves but have a board outside so you know where it came from...name of the farm and the village. It's all locally produced. My son, who was cooking bacon for his breakfast, called me down and asked what the little white bits in the bacon were. He thought they were teeth! In my childhood all bacon had the little white bone and my Mum used to cut them out and give them to us to such the meat off as it was supposed to be the tastiest bit. I can't believe my son, at 16 has never seen bacon with the bone in!

Love Lynne


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