Tech: Copyright/ Phonogram symbols

Subject: Tech: Copyright/ Phonogram symbols
From: Skivee
Date: 28 Jun 07 - 01:54 PM

I'm toiling mightily over liner notes for our latest CD offering.
I've found the copyright symbol, but where does one find the "P-in-a-circle" equivalant??? I've gone through "symbol", "webding", "wingding" and searched online. I haven't even found one that I could cut and paste. I've found the http code, but I'm not savvee enough to use that in MSWORD. G'aaaah.
As Mrs. Ramsbottom said,"I am vexed".

Subject: RE: Tech: Copyright/ Phonogram symbols
From: jeffp
Date: 28 Jun 07 - 02:21 PM

Check the second row from the bottom of webdings. That's where it is on my work computer.

Subject: RE: Tech: Copyright/ Phonogram symbols
From: MMario
Date: 28 Jun 07 - 02:27 PM

CD? Pyrate CD?

Subject: RE: Tech: Copyright/ Phonogram symbols
From: Skivee
Date: 28 Jun 07 - 02:33 PM

I just went back and checked. It's not on my version of webdings. My Word is an old version, from the windows 98 era. Do you think that theymight have modified the symbols since then?
Puzzled

Subject: RE: Tech: Copyright/ Phonogram symbols
From: Skivee
Date: 28 Jun 07 - 02:36 PM

MMario....shhhh, it's a secret.
We don't want to tell our fans about it till we have CDs in hand.
Production delays on the last one made look like dopes 'cause we kept telling folks that "it will be here in just a few days."

Subject: RE: Tech: Copyright/ Phonogram symbols
From: treewind
Date: 28 Jun 07 - 02:50 PM

The Webdings one does it.
It's also known as "Phonorecord" symbol, unicode number 2117
℗ by putting ℗ in HTML

Anahata

Subject: RE: Tech: Copyright/ Phonogram symbols
From: Skivee
Date: 28 Jun 07 - 03:00 PM

I in fact meant HTML, not HTTP in my original post. Does anyone care to walk me through using HTML while in Word?
Skivee the luddite
P.S. thanks Anahata
I tried cutting and pasting from the samples of webdings, but when I pasted the symbol became an accented lower case "e"...è.
My brain hurts.

Subject: RE: Tech: Copyright/ Phonogram symbols
From: MMario
Date: 28 Jun 07 - 03:00 PM

PM me an address and I will send you a jpg or gif (whichever you want) of the symbol.

Subject: RE: Tech: Copyright/ Phonogram symbols
From: treewind
Date: 28 Jun 07 - 04:16 PM

You can't use HTML that way in Word.
When I needed to do one of those in Word and on the Epson CD labelmaker I used the "Special character" menu doodad and Webdings and it worked.

Anahata

Subject: RE: Tech: Copyright/ Phonogram symbols
From: GLoux
Date: 28 Jun 07 - 04:55 PM

If you create a document in Word and use the character map accessory to access the Webdings symbol (select, copy, paste), then save the document as a webpage, it will be html. However, the older version of Webdings (circa 98) does not have the symbol in Webdings. From my XP system, it worked fine.

-Greg

Subject: RE: Tech: Copyright/ Phonogram symbols
From: Skivee
Date: 28 Jun 07 - 05:36 PM

Thanks Greg. At least I now know that it wasn't entirely my incompetence keeping me from finding the symbol.

Subject: RE: Tech: Copyright/ Phonogram symbols
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 28 Jun 07 - 06:31 PM

If you can find the "Unicode" code number for a character, you can insert the character into Word using the Alt-NumPad method.

Note however that the character can only be displayed in a font that contains that character.

NumLock must be turned on.
You must use the NumPad (the numbered keys at the right of the keyboard)
On a laptop, the NumPad is embedded in the main keyboard, and must be toggled on for the entry.

Hold down the Alt key while you type the decimal character number on the NumPad, and the character should appear in Word. You sometimes get a different result if the character number starts with a zero (0) than when the 0 is omitted, so try both ways if the first one doesn't work.

In recent versions of Word, you can type the Unicode HEX character number directly into the document, and before you type anything else, hold down Alt and type X. Formally, the Unicode Hex character number should have a U on the front of it, but Word doesn't require it.
The preceding Hex number will convert to display the Unicode character - if it exists in the font you have set.

Since most Unicode character charts give the Hex version of the number, this will be much more convenient if your version of Word supports it.

In some cases using the Alt-X conversion, Word can recognize that a "special font" is required and will look for a font that contains the character, but this isn't particularly reliable.

Since Wingdings are a pictographic font that doesn't behave well, if your computer has Lucida Sans Unicode you can use it to get the circle-p character by selecting that font at the insertion point and typing 2117 followed immediately by Alt-X.

Lucida Sans Unicode is included with WinXP/OfficeXP and was available as a free download from Microsoft for other Office users. Rumor says the free download is no longer offered but I haven't checked to confirm that. You may be able to find it elsewhere on the web. Note that versions of Lucida Sans that don't include the "Unicode" in the name probably won't include this character.

Note also that Win98 and older versions have extremely limited ability to use Unicode characters due to the bit-length setup.

The ® and © symbols should appear in Word if you type (c) or (r). If they don't automatically change to the circle form when you type the next character, check settings in Word Tools|Autoreplace and turn on the feature.

John