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Lyr Req: He Said He Had a Friend (Eckert/Smik)

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Subject: Lyr Req: Vietnam song/ thought was Hank S. help!
From: laurelei
Date: 28 Jun 07 - 07:13 PM

Hello all: does anyone remember this song? I have been looking for it for 20+ years: I thought it was Hank Snow, "I am asking for a friend" since on all the lyrics sites it says artist declined to supply the lyrics, But I finally heard it and that is not it.
Anyone with an inkling?
The gist is this:
A soldier writes home to prepare his mom he is returning home. He mentions he has a friend who is missing an arm, and mom says bring him home for a year or two... he writes again, his friend is really missing 2 arms... bring him home for a month ortwo.... he writes again his friend is also missing a leg - well bring him home for a week or two- one last letter - actually his is missing both... well bring him home to stay for a day or two...
Then the letter edged in black arrives.

That is the general gist, and I heard it ONCE and have been looking ever since. Thank you, Laurelei


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Vietnam song/ thought was Hank S. hel
From: Sorcha
Date: 28 Jun 07 - 11:23 PM

Hmmmm, been searching for about an hour...no joy. Do you have ANY exact quotes from the lyrics? That would help a lot.

OK, guys....who else might it be? Sound like Hank S, style like Hank, etc.?


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Vietnam song/ thought was Hank S. help!
From: oldhippie
Date: 29 Jun 07 - 07:47 AM

Hank Snow did record a song "A Letter From Vietnam" but it does not reflect the gist above. It's a letter home to Mother, but about a buddy killed in action and his reflections on the death.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Vietnam song/ thought was Hank S. help!
From: Gene
Date: 29 Jun 07 - 01:12 PM

question? what lyrics site did you visit without the title
or singer's name that said the artist declined to supply
the lyrics????

you lost me there...

and i do not recall any song by Hank Snow like that or by
anyone else...

a local music pal has ALL 6 Hank Snow Boxsets...I will ask him
tomorrow...

G


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Subject: Lyr Add: THE LETTER EDGED IN BLACK (Hattie Nevada)
From: Peace
Date: 29 Jun 07 - 02:00 PM

Possibly two things getting confused.

"The Letter Edged In Black

I was standing by the window yesterday morning,
Without a thought of worry or of care,
When I saw the postman coming up the pathway,
With such a happy look and jolly air.

cho: As I heard the postman whistling yester morning,
Coming down the pathway with his pack,
Oh he little knew the sorrow that he brought me
When he handed me that letter edged in black.

Oh, he rang the bell and whistled while he waited,
And then he said "Good morning to you, Jack."
But he little knew the sorrow that he brought me
When he handed me that letter edged in black.

With trembling hand I took the letter from him,
I broke the seal and this is what it said:
"Come home, my boy, your dear old father wants you!
Come home, my boy, your dear old mother's dead!"

"The last words that your mother ever uttered ---
'Tell my boy I want him to come back,'
My eyes are blurred, my poor old heart is breaking,
For I'm writing you this letter edged in black."

I bow my head in sorrow and in silence,
The sunshine of my life it all has fled,
Since the postman brought that letter yester morning
Saying,"Come home, my boy, your dear old mother's dead!:"

"Those angry words, I wish I'd never spoken,
You know I never meant them, don't you, Jack?
May the angels bear me witness, I am asking
Your forgiveness in this letter edged in black."



Note. The Letter Edged In Black, written by Hattie Nevada, but
the authorship being forgotten, moved into the folk tradition.
It was recorded by Vernon Dalhart (as Al Craver) for Columbia
in November 1925; but perhaps the most popular country version
of the song was recorded by Kentucky balladeer Bradley Kincaid,
who recorded it for Bluebird on February 14, 1934.GG
Recorded by Marty Robbins Just Me And My Guitar
1983 CBS Records LSP 15388Bear Family Records BFX-15119"

Found that at

http://www.bluelyrics.net/h/hank_snow_lyrics/the_letter_edged_in_black_lyrics.html


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Vietnam song/ thought was Hank S. help!
From: laurelei
Date: 07 Jul 07 - 12:51 PM

Hi there all: twas not the letter edged in black, nor is it To Mother, a Letter from Vietnam. I have come across those time and time again... not the right song.... here:
http://www.2famouslyrics.com/h/hank-snow/im-asking-for-a-friend.html

his sing" I'm Asking for a Friend" is on singing ranger Vol 3.. and on his OWN site the song is not listed for lyrics.www.hanksnow.com.

http://www.rogerwatersonline.com/Artists_h/Hank_Snow_lyrics/Im_Asking_For_A_Friend.html

repeatedly: any site I can find that has the song listed,has a declination by the artist to provide lyrics. WEIRD< HUH?

Hi there....if anyone can find the lyrics to this before I drop $300.00 bucks on the box set, I would be greatly obliged!
"I'm Asking for Friend " is also on the Legend of Old Doc Brown, from 1972 ( not the 50's one named similarly) by Hank Snow.
More soon, and thanks!


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Vietnam song/ thought was Hank S. help!
From: Peace
Date: 07 Jul 07 - 02:46 PM

Sound bite here.

Scroll about 20% of the way down the page. Takes a few seconds to load.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Vietnam song/ thought was Hank S. help!
From: Peace
Date: 07 Jul 07 - 03:14 PM

laurelei,

I'm thinking it might be easier to try to get

RCA Victor LPM-1156

"Old Doc Brown (and other narrations)"

Have you checked e-bay?


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Vietnam song/ thought was Hank S. help!
From: Peace
Date: 07 Jul 07 - 03:18 PM

Scratch THAT idea. It ain't on there. What gives?


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Vietnam song/ thought was Hank S. help!
From: Peace
Date: 07 Jul 07 - 03:24 PM

Dang, what IS going on. Found this:

1. Old Doc Brown 4:27
2. Ninety Miles and Hour 2:35
3. The Blind Man 4:23
4. The Horses Prayer 2:44
5. The Restless One 2:33
6. The Queen of Draw Poker Town 2:55
7. That Pioneer Mother Of Mine 3:03
8. These Hands 2:50
9. I'm Asking For A Friend 2:44


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Vietnam song/ thought was Hank S. help!
From: Peace
Date: 07 Jul 07 - 03:31 PM

OK. Not quite BINGO, but real close.

There is a site--Google

45 RPM Record Collection - Blues - High Water 411 BURNETTE, RANIE ...


And try an e-mail to

norm@juneberry78s.com

He has the 45 rpm of the song and may be able to let you know the words or how to download it.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Vietnam song/ thought was Hank S. help!
From: Peace
Date: 07 Jul 07 - 03:56 PM

BTW, maybe ask if it would be OK to post the lyrics on Mudcat.

(Also, I don't think it was a Vietnam-era song.)


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Vietnam song/ thought was Hank S. help!
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 11 Jul 07 - 08:23 AM

Here's an excerpt transcribed from a sound sample found at Allmusic.com. (I've tried several other web sites and they all have the same sound sample.)

I'M ASKING FOR A FRIEND
Cy Coben

...for his one and only crime.
Do you think that she'd [or "she'll"?] forgive him?
I'm asking for a friend of mine.

He would like to tell his sweetheart
About the whole....

[Searching for these lyrics with Google didn't get me anywhere.]


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Vietnam song/ thought was Hank S. help!
From: laurelei
Date: 25 Jul 07 - 04:46 PM

Hi there, been offline for a bit....
thank you for digging! I dont; think that is the one... but why are the lyrics to this song so shrouded in mystery?
Hmmmmmmmmmmmm- the one that I heard was truly the plot line I mention, a definite anti-war song: maybe it reference WW2?
*sigh* I will keep looking!
thank you Peace and everyone....


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Vietnam song/ thought was Hank S. help!
From: laurelei
Date: 01 Oct 07 - 12:15 PM

Hi Peace and everyone who helped looking... this is such a strange thing! I wonder why:
A. I am asking for a friend has a declination of lyrics on the Hank Snow site.... strange.
B. I now come to think that is not the title of the song I was looking for, but it is a headscratcher all the same.

The song, definitely, was on the air when I was a child ( late 60's early 70's.
We sat and listend to it...and cried. It made an impression on me...
It went as a son writing home to mom, I am coming home- can I bring my friend along? MOm replies, sure, for a year or two...
then he writes again that he is actually missing two arms, mom replies sure, bring him home for a month or two, son writes again both arms and one leg missing, mom replies sure for a month or two, and then he writes both legs missing, mom writes well only maybe a day or two.... at which point son ends his life and nurse sends letter to mom revealing he was actually referring to himself.
Heartrending tune.

I am thinking, that if possible my folks were wrong insisting all these years it was Hank Snow, could be someone else...
*sigh* but how to go about looking for that?
thanks all, Laurelei


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Vietnam song/ thought was Hank S. help!
From: Gene
Date: 02 Oct 07 - 04:02 AM

The song 'I'm Asking For a Friend' has is indeed on vol 3 of the singing ranger but has absolutely nothing to do with war or vietnam, or his mother, it is about an unfaithful husband asking in the 3rd person if his sweetheart/wife would forgive him for being unfaithful.

sorry, someone gave you a bum steer....


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Vietnam song/ thought was Hank S. help!
From: Gene
Date: 02 Oct 07 - 12:11 PM

http://www.snopes.com/military/amputee.asp

mystery singer found...it was Chris LeDeux

read details about it above...

Gene


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Subject: Lyr Add: SILENCE ON THE LINE (Sterling Whipple)
From: Peace
Date: 02 Oct 07 - 12:25 PM

Silence on the Line

Artist(Band):Chris LeDoux Review The Song (0)

Took my last fall in San Diego
Bus headed north one headed south
I call a farm in Colorado
And I lift a dusty pay phone to my mouth

She says hello I say it's me hon
Sorry I stayed away so long
Tell the kids thier old man's through with playin' rodeo
Cause if it's alright with you I'm comin' home

Well there's silence on the line
She says you sure did take your time
But I still need a man for the things a man is good for
You know how it is raisin' crops and raisin' kids
Demands a man at least as fit as you are
So come on git on home there's hay that needs a mowin'
A boy that needs a whippin' and a hundred things to do
I hope you've finally found your mind
To leave that rodeo behind
I've spent half my life just waitin' here for you

I guess that nows the time I'd better tell her
Hon I've got this old friend that's here with me
He used to be a cowboy and a good one so they say
But now his legs are crippled he can't walk you see
But hon you ought to hear him tell his stories
Sing the old songs play the guitar too
I'd really like to show him Colorado
But I thought I'd better leave it up to you

Well there's silence on the line
And now I hear her sayin'
Babe I only need a man for the things a man is good for
And you know how it is a place just half this big
Demands a man at least as fit as you are
Put yourself in his place it'd awful hard to face
All the chores and work and nothing he could do
If you want to know my mind leave that rodeo bum behind
Don't waste our time I'm waitin' here for you

Well cryin's just for kids I put down the phone
Fumble with my crutches movin' slow
I wish that I was on the bus that's Colorado bound
And I hope the weather's nice in Mexico


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Vietnam song/ thought was Hank S. help!
From: Peace
Date: 02 Oct 07 - 12:29 PM

The above thanks to Gene's work.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Vietnam song/ thought was Hank S. help!
From: Gene
Date: 02 Oct 07 - 10:53 PM

well guess that isn't it either...neither is the version by
Henson Cargill ... his song by same title is the same as above lyrics...

oh well, back to the drawing board...

i am getting an awful hankering to find and hear that other
version about the vietnam vet and who DUNNIT???


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Vietnam song/ thought was Hank S. hel
From: GUEST,Jim Carroll
Date: 03 Oct 07 - 05:30 AM

"He mentions he has a friend who is missing an arm, and mom says bring him home for a year or two... he writes again, his friend is really missing 2 arms... bring him home for a month or two.... he writes again his friend is also missing a leg - well bring him home for a week or two- one last letter - actually his is missing both... well bring him home to stay for a day or two..."
Isn't this one of the sub-plots for Monty Python's 'Holy Grail' film?
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Vietnam song/ thought was Hank S. help!
From: Gene
Date: 03 Oct 07 - 12:51 PM

Mystery solved... tnx to a couple of music pals CH & Geri

Doc & Chickie Williams - He Said He Had A Friend

may not be the exact version being sought, but story line is the same.

PM or EM: cn8gv9@aim.com


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Vietnam song/ thought was Hank S. help!
From: oldhippie
Date: 03 Oct 07 - 03:36 PM

Gene, got lyrics to the Doc & Chickie song?


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Subject: Lyr Add: HE SAID HE HAD A FRIEND
From: oldhippie
Date: 03 Oct 07 - 03:57 PM

Never mind, here it is, from lzreflections.com
There's also a mp3 at the site.

HE SAID HE HAD A FRIEND

Dear Mom:

The war is done
My task is through
But, Mom, there's something
That I must ask of you.
I have a friend I met here
He has no home you see
And so I would really like
To bring him home with me.


Dear Son:

We most surely do not mind
If your friend comes home with you
I'm sure that he could stay with us
Perhaps a week or two


Dear Mom:

But, Mom he's not just an ordinary friend
He's like a brother, too
That's why I want him with us
And like a son to you

Before you give your answer, Mom
I really don't want to beg
But my friend fought in a firefight
In which he lost his leg.


Dear Son:

It really hurts for me to say
My answer must be "no,"
For your Dad and I have no real time
For a friend who is crippled so


Dear Mom:

There's something you must also know
So please don't be alarmed
My friend, in firefight recently
Was hurt and lost his arm.


Dear Son:

Don't be afraid to bring him home
We'll prepare another room
Perhaps he could stay to visit
If just for a day or two.

Some months go by, a letter comes
It says their son has died
And when they read the cause of death
The shock was "suicide."

Day later, when the casket comes
Draped in an America's flag
They saw their son just lying there
Without an arm and leg.


This was written by Sargent Billy McNichols, with the First Marine Division, in I-Corps. He was in the Infantry, 0311, and he died in May of 1970, four weeks after he returned to the United States.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Vietnam song/ thought was Hank S. hel
From: GUEST,.gargoyle
Date: 03 Oct 07 - 04:17 PM

Easy to understand why the "artist" did not want the lyrics posted.

What a cheap shot - lower than any Haliburton or Blackwater scavenger - totaly ghoulish!!

Sincerely,
Gargoyle


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Subject: Lyr Add: HE SAID HE HAD A FRIEND (Eckert/Smik)
From: Gene
Date: 03 Oct 07 - 07:26 PM

Doc & Chickie sing a duet with feeling...
the narration by Henson Cargill is kinda weak...

He Said He Had A Friend
Doc & Chickie Williams

Dear Mom and Dad the war is done
My task is finally through
But, oh please Mom, there's something great
That I must ask of you

I have a friend, oh such a friend
He has no home you see
And so, dear Mom, I'd really like
To bring him home with me

Dear Son - We don't really mind
If someone comes home with you
I'm sure he could stay with us
Perhaps a week or two
   
Dear Mom - there's something you must know
Now please don't be alarmed
My friend in the battle recently
Was hurt and lost an arm

Dear Son - Don't be afraid
To bring him home with you
Your friend can stay and visit
For maybe a day or two

But Mother - he's not just a friend
He's like a brother, too
And That's why I want him with us
And like a son to you

And Before you give your answer, Mom
I really don't want to beg
But my friend fought in a battle
In which he lost his leg

Dear Son - It hurts so much to say
My answer must be "no"
For Dad and I have no time
For a boy who is crippled so
   
So months go by and a letter comes
And it says their son has died
And when they read the cause of death
The shock was "suicide"

Days later, when the casket came
Draped in our country's flag
They saw their son lying there
Without an arm or a leg

TAG: His casket.....can't make out ---


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Vietnam song/ thought was Hank S. help!
From: M.Ted
Date: 04 Oct 07 - 11:15 AM

Gargoyle--it seems odd, given your proclivities, that you would be so dismissive of a song.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: He Said He Had a Friend
From: GUEST
Date: 23 Oct 11 - 03:01 PM

Hi, I think the song you're looking for is by Doc & Chickie Williams. A friend of mine and I have looked on youtube and various other mp3 and haven't found a recording of it yet. Heidi


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: He Said He Had a Friend
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 27 Oct 11 - 02:13 PM

There is a web site for Doc and Chickie Williams but I couldn't find any reference there to HE SAID HE HAD A FRIEND, even though they have track lists for 9 different albums.

ASCAP.com says that HE SAID HE HAD A FRIEND was written by Joanne Eckert and Andrew J. Smik.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: He Said He Had a Friend
From: GUEST,999
Date: 27 Oct 11 - 02:34 PM

This may be a EUREKA moment. Sure hope so.

http://www.snopes.com/military/amputee.asp


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: He Said He Had a Friend
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 27 Oct 11 - 05:43 PM

So Eckert & Smik heard a legend about an soldier and turned it into a song. Then someone else heard the song and started a new legend alleging that the song was written by a soldier (Billy McNichols). So we have a legend based on a song based on a legend. Marvelous. This might be a first.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: He Said He Had a Friend
From: GUEST,999
Date: 27 Oct 11 - 05:57 PM

LOL, Jim.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: He Said He Had a Friend (Eckert/Smik)
From: GUEST
Date: 12 Apr 13 - 10:44 AM

Thje song is called He said He had a Friend by Doc and Chickie Williams I found the right lyrics online but not the song.


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