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Lyr Add: 'Ode to the terrorists'

John MacKenzie 06 Jul 07 - 03:18 PM
Ythanside 06 Jul 07 - 04:04 PM
Joe Offer 06 Jul 07 - 04:23 PM
John MacKenzie 06 Jul 07 - 05:00 PM
Ythanside 06 Jul 07 - 05:27 PM
Ythanside 06 Jul 07 - 05:37 PM
John MacKenzie 06 Jul 07 - 06:03 PM
Ythanside 06 Jul 07 - 07:24 PM
Joe Offer 06 Jul 07 - 08:55 PM
GUEST,Mr Helpfull 06 Jul 07 - 09:10 PM
Goose Gander 07 Jul 07 - 01:21 AM
Joe Offer 07 Jul 07 - 02:26 AM
George Papavgeris 07 Jul 07 - 02:32 AM
George Papavgeris 07 Jul 07 - 02:34 AM
Leadfingers 07 Jul 07 - 08:25 AM
Ythanside 07 Jul 07 - 08:50 AM
John MacKenzie 07 Jul 07 - 12:11 PM
Joe Offer 07 Jul 07 - 12:45 PM
Ythanside 07 Jul 07 - 02:41 PM
John MacKenzie 07 Jul 07 - 02:51 PM
McGrath of Harlow 07 Jul 07 - 08:18 PM
GUEST,wordy 07 Jul 07 - 08:26 PM
Effsee 07 Jul 07 - 08:39 PM
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Leadfingers 07 Jul 07 - 10:34 PM
John MacKenzie 08 Jul 07 - 05:26 AM
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Subject: Lyr Add: Glasgow's Answer to the terrorists
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 06 Jul 07 - 03:18 PM

Rabbie Burns (sic) Ode to the Terrorists

(Same tune as the 7 Men of Knoydart)

'Twas doon by the inch o' Abbots
Oor Johnny walked one day
When he saw a sicht that troubled him
Far more that he could say
A fanatic muslim b*stard
Wiz doin what he'd planned
And intae Glesca's
departure hall
A Cherokee he'd rammed.

A big Glaswegian polis
Came forward tae assist
He thocht "a wumman driver"
Or at least someone half-pissed
But to his shock nae drunken Jock
Emerged to grasp his hand
But a flamin Arab loony
Frae Al Qaeda's band

The mad Islamist nut-case
Had set hissel' on fire
And swung oot at the polis
GBH was his clear desire
Now that's no richt wur Johnny cried
And sallied tae the fray
A left hook and a heid butt
Required tae save the day.

Now listen up Bin Laden
Yir sort's nae wanted here
For imported English radicals
Us Scoatsman huv nae fear
Oor hame grown Glesca Asians
Will have nae bluidy truck
So tak yer worldwide jihad
An get yersel tae F***


Typically Glaswegian response, write a song taking the piss within a week of the event.
G.

GBH means grievous bodily harm, and it is an offence in the UK.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: The Folk Process
From: Ythanside
Date: 06 Jul 07 - 04:04 PM

Sorry, Giok, but I consider this highly offensive to Muslims, women and English people.

Ythanside


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: The Folk Process
From: Joe Offer
Date: 06 Jul 07 - 04:23 PM

Hey, I think it's intended to be offensive to Muslims, women, and English people. Does that mean we shouldn't post it or talk about it?
-Joe-


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: The Folk Process
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 06 Jul 07 - 05:00 PM

There isn't a song anywhere that doesn't offend someone.
The biggest difference in this day and age is, being offended has become a growth industry. Goodness me, there are people out there making a living out of being offended!
I hate whaling, but sing whaling songs, other people hate fox hunting but sing fox hunting songs.
The only thing lacking is a bit of tolerance, why does everything in this day and age have to be is black and white.
Giok


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: The Folk Process
From: Ythanside
Date: 06 Jul 07 - 05:27 PM

Hi there, Joe.

Xenophobia and sexism is alive and thriving in Scotland, much to the disgust of people like myself. The accidental or intentional nature of this song's offensiveness is a side issue. Censorship, to my mind, is not the answer. The thread was posted, I thought (and still think) it offensive, and said so.   
   

Ythanside


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: The Folk Process
From: Ythanside
Date: 06 Jul 07 - 05:37 PM

Giok, whales and foxes are not cogent human beings. Muslims, women and English people, however, have the ability understand the written and spoken word.

'Man's inhumanity to man makes countless thousands mourn.'

Ythanside


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: The Folk Process
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 06 Jul 07 - 06:03 PM

Sorry old bean, but I think you are a prig.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: The Folk Process
From: Ythanside
Date: 06 Jul 07 - 07:24 PM

Giok;
'There isn't a song anywhere that doesn't offend someone'
Depends on your repertoire, I suppose. Tell me who could be offended by 'The Rose of Allendale' or Guthrie's 'Deportees', to name but two of thousands.

'The only thing lacking is a bit of tolerance,'
A point I was trying to make re your song.

'Sorry old bean, but I think you are a prig.'   
What's this, playground name-calling?   

John, I believe your song thread ill-advised and not thought through. I think the 'humour' contained in it to be harmful to everyday community relations while lending credence to the views of racists. The most polite comment I had on it from some teacher friends was 'Less than helpful.'   

BTW I'd appreciate it if you would respond to my postings in a well-mannered and mature fashion.      

Ythanside


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: The Folk Process
From: Joe Offer
Date: 06 Jul 07 - 08:55 PM

Well, in the Central Valley of California, there are many people who would be offended by "Deportees." They see Hispanics as a threat, and indication of the "browning of America."
The staff of a Catholic parish near me received threats because they started having a Mass in Spanish.

-Joe-


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: The Folk Process
From: GUEST,Mr Helpfull
Date: 06 Jul 07 - 09:10 PM

You do realise, this song is also very offensive to terrorists ?
which is not very helpfull in the current climate.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: The Folk Process
From: Goose Gander
Date: 07 Jul 07 - 01:21 AM

Way off topic, but Joe's comments got me thinking . . . most of my relatives and ancestors were Southern Baptists and Pentacostalists, others were Catholics. A lot of them came to California from the upper South and the Midwest in the 1920s and 1930s. They worked in agriculture, and they raised large families. They were generally hated by the 'natives' (those who had arrived in California a generation or two earlier). Sound familiar?

Go read American Exodus by James Gregory for a more in-depth analysis.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: The Folk Process
From: Joe Offer
Date: 07 Jul 07 - 02:26 AM

But back to the song Giok posted - I think it's hilarious. I suppose you could say it isn't very respectful toward Scotsmen, either. Somehow, though, there's something wonderful about responding to a tragedy with humor - even if the humor isn't politically correct. Courageous people have a long tradition of facing tragedy with outrageous humor.
-Joe-


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: The Folk Process
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 07 Jul 07 - 02:32 AM

Let's not give in to PC madness. Songs about the War of Independence are offensive to the Brits. Songs about Agincourt or some about Napoleon are offensive to the French. Are those jokes racist? (And how about the one about John Kanaka-naka-too-rai-ay or the one about the Yellow Girls?). Jokes about aged drivers are heard on the TV and radio every day - is that ageist? Jokes about Polish or Eastern European construction workers abound in Europe right now; and the "Stavros" figure of the uneducated Greek chipshop owner up to his neck in Greece - should I be railing against that, now?.

OK, on a second scanning John might have considered changing the "mad Arab" reference; but the others are for "fanatic Muslims", and "Islamists" (which is different to "Muslims", check it out for its meaning before being upset by it) - hey, I could live with offending fanatics.

And the biggest consideration of all - one that some here readily afford the "fanatic Muslims", but not to John or the Glaswegians, is the right to react to disaster, to be upset. John himself says the verse was written as a reaction. Context is the saviour of all those songs we sing that are sometimes near to the knuckle. Because context is all - rules in isolation can always be abused.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: The Folk Process
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 07 Jul 07 - 02:34 AM

Amen, Joe.
It's a cracker, Giok!
(and did you spot the deliberate misspelling?)


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: The Folk Process
From: Leadfingers
Date: 07 Jul 07 - 08:25 AM

If we all Kow Tow to the Political Correctness lobby , we wont sing , or even TALK about anything that some Burk might take offense to !
One of the strong points of the Anglo Saxon (AND Celtic) oulook is the ability to laugh at the unpleasant things that happen in life !


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: The Folk Process
From: Ythanside
Date: 07 Jul 07 - 08:50 AM

Terrorists are, by definition, legitimate targets. Innocent bystanders, including those who happen to be of the same religion or race as the terrorists, are not. References such as 'fanatic muslim b*stard', 'flamin Arab loony' and 'mad Islamist nut-case' can be nothing other than hurtful and offensive to the law-abiding majority.
The phrase 'imported English radicals' is a regurgitation of what purports to be Scottish national pride but is in reality the croakings of the ignorant and sadly befuddled in search of a convenient scapegoat.
The sentiments expressed in this song help to justify unwarranted verbal and sometimes physical assaults on people who have committed the sin of being of a different race, colour or creed.
The insanity of prejudice leads to the horrors of Auschwitz, the Omagh bombing and so many similarly disgusting consequences that only sensible precaution is to nip it in the bud, not the full bloom.
If that is not glaringly obvious then we have learned absolutely nothing from history, and are damned to repeat its mistakes.

Ythanside


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: The Folk Process
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 07 Jul 07 - 12:11 PM

What a load of pious rubbish.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: The Folk Process
From: Joe Offer
Date: 07 Jul 07 - 12:45 PM

I'm a Catholic, and my view of my Catholic faith obliges me to be a pacifist. Not all Catholics see it that way - for generations, people identifying themselves as Catholics have committed acts of terrorism in support of their interests in Northern Ireland.

As a Catholic, I am not offended by people who complain about the terrorists and call them Catholics, for Catholic is what those terrorists are. I AM offended by those terrorists who have perverted my religion to the point where they use it to rationalize acts of horrible violence.

I am sure that peace-loving Muslims are well aware that there are Muslims who commit acts of terrorism in the name of their religion.

-Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: The Folk Process
From: Ythanside
Date: 07 Jul 07 - 02:41 PM

Giok, I speak from personal experience.
My children endured six years of abuse at a large Scottish academy for simply having been born in England. They were spat upon by pupils not once but on many occasions and were called 'English whores'. My remonstrations with the teaching staff, one of whom sneered openly and dismissed my protests with 'Well, they ARE English, so they'll just have to develop thicker skins, won't they?' changed absolutely nothing.
Thirty years ago I bought a holiday property quite near to where you live, just outside Lairg. Having no further use for it after my children left to go to University I offered it to them as a gift. Neither would have it, and both have said they will never again set foot in this country.
Ten years ago, while enjoying a quiet evening in a Scots village pub in the company of my wife, one of my clients and a guy who worked for me we were approached by a group of young local men. They took exception to the fact that my wife's accent marked her as English, and mistakenly thought that I too, was English. We ignored them, offering no response or argument and my client, also local, felt thoroughly embarrassed as he asked them to just leave us alone. Throughout the evening the phrase 'There are too many English bastards here' was called out from one of the young guys to another.
We left, and as we and walked to my client's house the young men from the pub drove their car along the pavement(sidewalk) behind us. The roars of laughter from inside the car when they knocked us down continued as they drove away. The others in our party were shaken but unhurt, while I was left with spinal injuries. I worked for all of my life until the moment that car hit me, and was about to set up a residential training centre to teach others how to make farmhouse furniture using simple hand tools. The premises had been bought and paid for, the workbenches half assembled, the advertising details nearing finalisation. All stopped. By what? The insanity of blind prejudice, that's what.
I speak from hard experience, not PC or suchlike nonsense.

So tell me again, John, that I'm a prig, or that I talk pious rubbish.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: The Folk Process
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 07 Jul 07 - 02:51 PM

I'm sorry about your experiences, and can't condone the behaviour of those yobs. However I still find the humour and the spontaneity of the song to be a valid comment on an horrific event, and it is an understandable reaction on the part of the writer of the song.
I know your reactions are coloured by your personal experiences, but I still think you fail to see the humour of the piece, and the extrapolation of the language used against those who actually perpetrated the crime, into an insult of all those who share their religion or race, to be a step too far.
Giok


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: The Folk Process
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 07 Jul 07 - 08:18 PM

That's a great song - and it's targetted at the bombers, not at Muslims,   or for that matter the English, in general, as the last verse makes clear.

"Yir sort's nae wanted here" clearly means the likes of Bin Laden, not "Oor hame grown Glesca Asians"

And I'd take it that "imported English radicals" as much as anything refers to the likes of the five young men from Yorkshire who perpetrated the 7/7 bombings last year.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: The Folk Process
From: GUEST,wordy
Date: 07 Jul 07 - 08:26 PM

Out of order Giok. Ythanside has the valid point. I too have suffered Scottish bigotry as an English performer and have vowed never to gig there again. Your song is offensive, juvenile and witless. I hope your home grown Scottish Asians don't let you down.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: The Folk Process
From: Effsee
Date: 07 Jul 07 - 08:39 PM

Has Giok claimed authorship of the song? Or is he merely reporting it's surfacing since last satuday?


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: The Folk Process
From: Effsee
Date: 07 Jul 07 - 08:40 PM

Oops..."Saturday"


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: The Folk Process
From: Leadfingers
Date: 07 Jul 07 - 10:34 PM

As a DEFINATE English man I have turned up at sessions in various parts of Scotland , and ALWAYS been made welcome . DESPITE often having a Five string banjo with me .


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: The Folk Process
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 08 Jul 07 - 05:26 AM

I did NOT write the song, I was sent it in an e-mail, and found it amusing.
Why does it never strike some people that they may not be disliked for their nationality, but for the fact that they are not likeable. I have seen it happen many times, it's usually known as blaming the messenger for the bad news that they bring.
As Leadfingers says he was welcomed in Scotland, and that is most people's experience. So I suggest that if anyone gets a poor reception somewhere, that they try again a little further down the line, and don't "nurse their wrath to keep it warm"
So as I see it, so far the people who don't like the song are anti Scottish, and not pro anything else in particular, just using their antipathy as a convenient nail to hang their criticism on!
Giok


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: The Folk Process
From: GUEST,wordy
Date: 08 Jul 07 - 08:22 AM

It's not my personality they were attacking Giok it was me as "you English".


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: "Ode to the terrorists"
From: philgarringer
Date: 08 Jul 07 - 04:08 PM

Ho brother Teague,
Dost hear de decree?
Lilli burlero, bullen a la;
Dat we shall have a new deputie,
Lilli burlero, bullen a la.
Lero, lero, lilli burlero,
Lilli burlero, bullen a la
Lero, lero, lero lero
Lilli burlero, bullen a la

Ho, by my Soul, it is a Talbot;
Lilli burlero, bullen a la
And he will cut all de English throat
Lilli burlero, bullen a la
Lero, lero, lilli burlero,
Lilli burlero, bullen a la
Lero, lero, lero lero
Lilli burlero, bullen a la

Though, by my soul, de Enlish do prate,
Lilli burlero, bullen a la
De law's on dere side and de divil knows what,
Lilli burlero, bullen a la
Lero, lero, lilli burlero,
Lilli burlero, bullen a la
Lero, lero, lero lero
Lilli burlero, bullen a la

But if Depense do come from de Pope
Lilli burlero, bullen a la
We'll hang Magna Carta demselves on a rope
Lilli burlero, bullen a la
Lero, lero, lilli burlero,
Lilli burlero, bullen a la
Lero, lero, lero lero
Lilli burlero, bullen a la

And de good Talbot is now made a Lord,
Lilli burlero, bullen a la
And with his brave lads he's coming aboard,
Lilli burlero, bullen a la
Lero, lero, lilli burlero,
Lilli burlero, bullen a la
Lero, lero, lero lero
Lilli burlero, bullen a la

Who all in France have taken a swear,
Lilli burlero, bullen a la
Dat day will have no Protestant heir,
Lilli burlero, bullen a la
Lero, lero, lilli burlero,
Lilli burlero, bullen a la
Lero, lero, lero lero
Lilli burlero, bullen a la

O but why does he stay behind?
Lilli burlero, bullen a la
Ho, by my soul, 'tis a Protestant wind,
Lilli burlero, bullen a la
Lero, lero, lilli burlero,
Lilli burlero, bullen a la
Lero, lero, lero lero
Lilli burlero, bullen a la

Now that Tyrconnel is come ashore,
Lilli burlero, bullen a la
And we shall have comissions galore.
Lilli burlero, bullen a la
Lero, lero, lilli burlero,
Lilli burlero, bullen a la
Lero, lero, lero lero
Lilli burlero, bullen a la

And he dat will not go to Mass,
Lilli burlero, bullen a la
Shall be turned out and look like an ass,
Lilli burlero, bullen a la
Lero, lero, lilli burlero,
Lilli burlero, bullen a la
Lero, lero, lero lero
Lilli burlero, bullen a la

Now, now de hereticks all will go down,
Lilli burlero, bullen a la
By Christ and St. Patrick's the nation's our own,
Lilli burlero, bullen a la
Lero, lero, lilli burlero,
Lilli burlero, bullen a la
Lero, lero, lero lero
Lilli burlero, bullen a la

Dere was an old prophercy found in a bog,
Lilli burlero, bullen a la
Dat our land would be ruled by an ass and a dog,
Lilli burlero, bullen a la
Lero, lero, lilli burlero,
Lilli burlero, bullen a la
Lero, lero, lero lero
Lilli burlero, bullen a la

So now dis old prophecy's coming to pass,
Lilli burlero, bullen a la
For James is de dog and Tyrconnel's de ass,
Lilli burlero, bullen a la
Lero, lero, lilli burlero,
Lilli burlero, bullen a la
Lero, lero, lero lero
Lilli burlero, bullen a la

As a Roman Catholic descendent of Irish immigrants, I find this song offensive. I still play it and sing it, though!


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: 'Ode to the terrorists'
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 08 Jul 07 - 07:27 PM

There's a racist minority in Scotland just as there is in England and other countries. They might warp themselves in a different flag and aim their racism on a different direction, but they're basically no different from their clones in other countries - and no more representative of Scots than the BNP are of the English.

But that song doesn't come across as emanating from that way of thinking.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: 'Ode to the terrorists'
From: patriot1314
Date: 08 Jul 07 - 09:28 PM

I was also sent this in an email and I found it funny. I sent it to a few in my address book and they all found it funny as well. It's a sad day when we have to be ultra careful about everything we say. Personally, I don't care about offending someone who tried to cause major loss of life and property, it's not racism, it's called lightening up and having a laugh about something which could have been a lot worse.

I'm surprised nobody mentioned the guy who suffered horrific burns to his hands whilst trying to nick the alloys from the jeep!


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: 'Ode to the terrorists'
From: yrlancslad
Date: 08 Jul 07 - 10:03 PM

I sympathise with Ythansides experience having had a similar experience with a couple of drunken Ozzies over my American wife in Brisbane airport which luckily ended without injury (to us anyway)
But as for the rest Ythanside, surely your joking!Speaking as one who has lived in many countries unless you are prepared to take a lot of ribbing (some of it good-natured)about your nationality, gender, race, religion, nose size,eye shape, or just about anything else you can think of, don't ever leave the bosom of your family, tribe and nation or work for any multi-national firm.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: 'Ode to the terrorists'
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 09 Jul 07 - 03:34 AM

While I don't really wish to make this a discrimination thread, it might JUST be worth pointing out that it cuts both ways.
I lived and worked in the south of England for 35+ years, and I too encountered prejudice on the grounds of my nationality, to the extent of being asked to leave a pub once, because the landlord took exception to my accent. However I decided he was an ignorant oik, and did not represent the majority, so I got on with the rest of my life.
Giok


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: 'Ode to the terrorists'
From: goatfell
Date: 09 Jul 07 - 03:42 AM

It's mot about English people it's about a failed Bombing raid on Glasgow Airport in SCOTLAND


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: 'Ode to the terrorists'
From: goatfell
Date: 09 Jul 07 - 03:43 AM

ANYWAY I LIKE THE SONG I THINK IT'S GREAT


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: 'Ode to the terrorists'
From: goatfell
Date: 09 Jul 07 - 03:45 AM

I agree with John, why do people take things so seriously in black or white, there's no grey area anymore.

Politcal Correctness I think.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: 'Ode to the terrorists'
From: goatfell
Date: 09 Jul 07 - 03:45 AM

now youi see why I hate PC


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: 'Ode to the terrorists'
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 09 Jul 07 - 05:34 AM

PC rules are there to help those without common sense avoid pitfalls
But...
As you cannot learn to manage simply from reading management books
And you cannot learn to cook simply from reading cookery books
So too cannot learn polite, civil and sensitive behaviour simply by following PC rules
You need common sense first of all
The rules are there to supplement it - not replace it
And rules used without considering context quickly become irrelevant and damaging if followed to the letter
We are becoming a people learning to behave by following rules and laws
How long before our common sense atrophies?


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: 'Ode to the terrorists'
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 09 Jul 07 - 01:27 PM

Well put George - with one qualification - PC rules are there to help those without common sense avoid pitfalls

I'd add also for those who don't have any sense of common courtesy, and who don't know how to treat other people who are different from them with respect, or who don't care whether they are doing that or not.

Common courtesy means you never set out to insult anyone who doesn't deserve it.

Common sense is what you use to avoid insulting people accidentally.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: 'Ode to the terrorists'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 09 Jul 07 - 02:00 PM

I have to agree with Giok on this one. If this song is too offensive, then I guess I will ask that all those peace songs from the 60's that the people who spit on me ( early 1970s) when I was in uniform and had a crewcut ( Civil Air Patrol, search and rescue) were singing be banned as offensive to me. Blind predjudice and abuse.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: 'Ode to the terrorists'
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 09 Jul 07 - 02:55 PM

I can't recall any peace songs that natcg that description, bruce. And if you got spat on by people who objected to the war I doubt if that was a common occurrence. As with the present war the focus of people's anger was against the politicians, not their victims in uniform.

Of course when it comes to people who engage in atrocities, whether in Glasgow Station or My Lai, it's a different matter.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: 'Ode to the terrorists'
From: akenaton
Date: 09 Jul 07 - 03:02 PM

I encountered this song on another site, the humour is typically Scottish, in that when we find something difficult to understand or frightening, we tend to make a macho joke of it.

That says quite a lot about the Scottish character and misogyny.
Personally I am against all forms of political correctness, but this song disturbs me on several levels.
Taking the horrific nature of the burns on the terrorist's body into account I feel uneasy about making a joke on the pain and probable death of a fellow creature....regardless of what he was trying to do.

The song also over-simplifies the problem of Islamic terrorism in the UK. It is NOT going to be easily sorted. THe terrorists are not going "tae get themselves tae fuck"
And no amount of singing or whistling in the dark will make them...Ake


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: 'Ode to the terrorists'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 09 Jul 07 - 03:04 PM

"As with the present war the focus of people's anger was against the politicians, not their victims in uniform."


No, the focus of people's anger, then as now, was against the people that they disagreed with, regardless of what they said about it.

I had a crewcut- I was a fascist.
I was in uniform- I was a baby killer.
I did not agree with them- I was evil incarnate.



"And if you got spat on by people who objected to the war I doubt if that was a common occurrence."

You have discussed this with how many of those who were in uniform then?

But my point is that I found thos characterizations ( short hair made me a baby killer, uniforms were only worn by facists) to be offensive. Yet that is NOT a reason not to discuss and sing the songs.

Or for a topic farther away, it appears to be OK to call people goons and such, if they are the ones who are on the other side of the union/worker vs management/company fight. So, what reason to object to THIS song? The person in question WAS a flaming ( literally) mad ( you think him both sane and even-tempered?) Moslem fanatic.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: 'Ode to the terrorists'
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 09 Jul 07 - 05:10 PM

I find it hard to feel anything for the bomber.
He expected a quick death and paradise.
He hoped to ignite a huge fireball inside the terminal.
Few would die quickly, but none would escape.
It was the start of school holidays in Scotland. The terminal was full of young families.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: 'Ode to the terrorists'
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 09 Jul 07 - 05:12 PM

I honestly can't think of any songs that said such daft things as "short hair made (anyone) a baby killer, uniforms were only worn by fascists". I can't imagine singing rubbish like that, any more than a song that suggested that terrorists never had crew cuts and never wore uniforms. It's what you do that matters, not how you look.

"You have discussed this with how many of those who were in uniform then?" Only on the Mudcat (not many US veterans around in this part of the world). And till now I've never come across anyone who has actually said they experienced it.
.........................
There's a saying "If you didn't laugh you'd cry" that applies here. I think there's reason to celebrate the fact that this atrocity didn't come off, and express defiance at those who would do this kind of thing, and this song expresses that.

There's room for other responses as well, including regret at the futile tragedy and misdirected idealism. But that'd be another song. I wrote one once like that, about a young Irishman who was killed when the bomb he was carrying went off prematurely back in 1996.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: 'Ode to the terrorists'
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 09 Jul 07 - 06:28 PM

this part of the world means the part of the world where I live. At least we didn't take part in that crazy war.


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