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Lyr Req: Scandinavian cow call on Folkways?

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GUEST,JTT 08 Jul 07 - 08:22 PM
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Subject: Lyr Req: Scandinavian cow call on Folkways?
From: GUEST,JTT
Date: 08 Jul 07 - 08:22 PM

Way back in the sixties, man, someone I knew had an album from Folkways (I think) of Scandinavian music, which included a cow call.

The notes explained that the cattle of this Scandinavian country were so well trained that one needed only to go to the door of one's cottage and make the call, with the introductory "Hoop-de-hooo" cry, followed by the name of the field, and the cattle would proceed into the correct field on request.

Having grown up in Ireland to see cattle drovers sending herds of calm-eyed girls on their way with a sharp thump to their withers from a knobby ashplant, the idea of actual communication with the cows charmed me. And the call was beautiful.

Now I can't find the album. Help, someone?

I know that somewhere among the Mudcat there's someone with walls lined with ancient albums who can reach out, say "Ah, yes" and produce this record without so much as a pause for thought.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Scandinavian cow call on Folkways?
From: Jack Campin
Date: 08 Jul 07 - 08:52 PM

It's called "kulning" and there are samples on Karin Rehnqvist's site.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Scandinavian cow call on Folkways?
From: mack/misophist
Date: 08 Jul 07 - 11:48 PM

I couldn't find it on the Rehnqvist site but there are plenty of other oxamples like this.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Scandinavian cow call on Folkways?
From: Joe Offer
Date: 09 Jul 07 - 12:56 AM

All of the original Folkways recordings are available for download at http://www.smithsonianglobalsound.org/. I don't see the track you're speaking of, but it's probably there somewhere. This google search (click) will take you to all sorts of interesting stuff. The Widipedia Kulning/Kaukning article has a great sound clip. Sounds like when my mom used to call the five of us Offer kids in for supper in Wisconsin....
-Joe-


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Scandinavian cow call on Folkways?
From: open mike
Date: 09 Jul 07 - 03:29 AM

I have posted this question to my scandinavian web group
i will re-post any replies here.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Scandinavian cow call on Folkways?
From: open mike
Date: 09 Jul 07 - 03:49 AM

Also Gjallarhorn includes some of this ("falsetto"?) singing
http://www.gjallarhorn.com/main.html


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Scandinavian cow call on Folkways?
From: GUEST,PMB
Date: 09 Jul 07 - 04:05 AM

"plenty of other oxamples"

If that was a typo, it's brilliant. If you meant it, groan.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Scandinavian cow call on Folkways?
From: Jack Campin
Date: 09 Jul 07 - 07:15 AM

Karin Rehnqvist's sample is at

http://www.karin-rehnqvist.se/English/aboutkulning.html

Click on the link in the picture.


Another sample on Susanne Rosenberg's site:

http://hem.passagen.se/susannerosenberg/page6html.html

Link towards the end.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Scandinavian cow call on Folkways?
From: Jack Campin
Date: 09 Jul 07 - 07:30 AM

A whole CD of it:
http://www.uddatoner.com/huvuddokument.html

Another sample:
http://www.links.net/vita/trip/scand/sweden/muzik/

More:
http://aufildutemps.typepad.com/au_fil_du_temps/2006/05/chants_des_patr.html

Article by Rosenberg:
http://www.isvroma.org/pecus/rosenberg.pdf

Very substantial article by Anna Ivarsdotter:
http://www.isvroma.org/pecus/ivarsdotter.pdf


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Scandinavian cow call on Folkways?
From: open mike
Date: 09 Jul 07 - 02:28 PM

Here is an album issued by Swedish Broadcasting in 1996
on Caprice Records
http://www.jamtlandica.com/documentary/pastoral.htm
which contains herding calls from Dalarna, and also
music made on cow and goat horns.

also you can find cow horn recording here:
Fully Rigged on North Side Records http://www.noside.com/
... - Bain, Aly / Möller, Ale
Ale Möller is one of Sweden's leading roots musicians, while
Aly Bain has paid plenty of Scottish dues over the years,
notably with Boys of the Lough. What brings them together
on Fully Rigged is the common ground between Celtic and
Nordic culture. On fiddles and many other instruments they
explore their heritage. On "Da Day Dawn,"for example, they
combine a Shetland New Year tune with a Swedish cattle call
(played on a cow horn) to beautiful effect. The tune is :
Da Day Dawn/Joskvarnleken (The Jos Mill Tune) /Da Aald Foula


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Scandinavian cow call on Folkways?
From: GUEST,JTT
Date: 09 Jul 07 - 07:30 PM

Thanks for these great answers. I'll go listening to these tomorrow morning. Wonder might the library have the original record... hmmm...


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Scandinavian cow call on Folkways?
From: GUEST,Sheila Morris
Date: 10 Jul 07 - 02:28 PM

I have a few Swedish CDs in my own collection....two from the old Swedish Radio compilation project from the 1960s, issued by Caprice--"Ancient Swedish Pastoral Music" (CAP 21483 E) and "Vall-, Trall-, and Lapp-Nils Låtar" (CAP 21489). These are mostly field recordings, not the best sound quality, but the "Pastoral Music" one ends with a 30-minute 'concert' done with kulning and horn-playing around a lake. "Pastoral Music from Malung" (KRCD 26) is another of the same sort. "Visfolk och Tralltokar" has a younger generation of callers, such as Britta and Maria Röjås, Lena Willemark, Agneta Stolpe.

And then there's Maria Röjås' new CD "Silverringar små och stora", on which she tralls a lot of the songs--I think there is also some Kulning.

Sheila


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Scandinavian cow call on Folkways?
From: GUEST,JTT
Date: 19 Jul 11 - 09:04 AM

Would have thought that by now there'd be some examples showing it actually being used to move cattle from field to field, but no, not yet.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Scandinavian cow call on Folkways?
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 21 Jul 11 - 02:04 PM

Funny, I have lived in Minnesota most of my life, and people of Swedish and Norwegian ancestry are plentiful here, but I have never heard of kulning, nor heard anything that sounds like it, nor heard any tales of people herding cows from a distance by voice.

Maybe the Swedes who emigrated to Minnesota gave up kulning because the cows here aren't as smart as those in Sweden. I really have no idea.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Scandinavian cow call on Folkways?
From: GUEST
Date: 21 Jul 11 - 07:28 PM

Cattle Call is the first track on the Frankie Armstrong's 1985 LP, I Heard A Woman Singing. Released on CD some years later by Rounder. Search the web, and you might even find 2 minutes of Frankie Armstrong introducing the piece.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Scandinavian cow call on Folkways?
From: ClaireBear
Date: 21 Jul 11 - 08:38 PM

Jim, I think the success of kulning as a means of calling distant cows might depend on the presence of fjords to carry and amplify the sound. I can't imagine miles of prairie having quite the same effect. I'm sure that Minnesotan cows are every bit as smart as Scandinavian ones.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Scandinavian cow call on Folkways?
From: open mike
Date: 19 Feb 16 - 05:22 PM

i just posted a whole herd of these kulning videos from you tube on my facebook page....here is a copy of the links....                There is a tradition of scandinavian herding music...cow calls.. female singers mostly....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHWguX1oVNQ...
The Nordic Woman: Kulning Demonstration with Helle Thun
youtube.com
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HqJUx0iGu_U...
Kulning, Herdcall
Kulning/Röstimprovisation, inspelat i skogen mitt i natten. Helt improviserat.…
youtube.com
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJtW8CiGiEk
Kulning Herding calls Maria Misgeld
youtube.com


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