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Subject: Banda Celtamericana in UK From: Sooz Date: 09 Jul 07 - 02:13 PM Banda Celtamericana are visiting the UK from Chile this month and doing a few gigs (including Live @ Cassies in Gainsborough on 19th July). Has anyone already seen them? |
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Subject: RE: Banda Celtamericana in UK From: Sooz Date: 10 Jul 07 - 02:39 AM Nobody? |
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Subject: RE: Banda Celtamericana in UK From: The Borchester Echo Date: 10 Jul 07 - 02:58 AM I find it a little hard to fathom why a band of Chilean musicians are trying to sound as much like Flook as possible. The only thing vaguely 'Celtic' about Chile is a few Welsh and a lot of sheep down near the bottom. Given the vast wealth of indigenous traditional music in Chile and the fact that they cite Inti Illimani as an influence, a little more celebration of their own culture wouldn't go amiss. |
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Subject: RE: Banda Celtamericana in UK From: Sooz Date: 10 Jul 07 - 03:01 AM I do tend to agree Diane, but the opportunity to invite musicians from the other side of the world to play to our youngsters here in the backwoods was too good to miss! |
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Subject: RE: Banda Celtamericana in UK From: GUEST,countrylife Date: 10 Jul 07 - 12:48 PM and surely a group of musicians is entitled to play the music they choose to play; are they not? |
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Subject: RE: Banda Celtamericana in UK From: Lizzie Cornish Date: 10 Jul 07 - 01:25 PM >>>I find it a little hard to fathom why a band of Chilean musicians are trying to sound as much like Flook as possible. The only thing vaguely 'Celtic' about Chile is a few Welsh and a lot of sheep down near the bottom. Given the vast wealth of indigenous traditional music in Chile and the fact that they cite Inti Illimani as an influence, a little more celebration of their own culture wouldn't go amiss.<<< Er....maybe they just really like playing Celtic music... Off with their heads! They sound Chilean to me, but hey what do I know.. Banda Celtamericana on Youtube |
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Subject: RE: Banda Celtamericana in UK From: The Borchester Echo Date: 10 Jul 07 - 01:30 PM They sound Chilean to me, but hey what do I know Clearly sod all. 'Butterfly' is an Irish tune. |
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Subject: RE: Banda Celtamericana in UK From: Lizzie Cornish Date: 10 Jul 07 - 01:33 PM Ah...but they're playing it in a Chilean way though so....Poo to yoo! :0) |
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Subject: RE: Banda Celtamericana in UK From: katlaughing Date: 10 Jul 07 - 01:54 PM From their MySpace site, it is easy to see they do NOT claim to only be Chilean nor Celtic, so who gives a toss...it's music and it is good! |
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Subject: RE: Banda Celtamericana in UK From: katlaughing Date: 10 Jul 07 - 01:55 PM Meant to add this from their site: Banda Celtamericana: Celtic and Latin American fusion music from Chile Banda celtamericana is made up by 6 young musicians coming from north, central and southern Chile. Its repertoire is mainly based on their own compositions plus traditional music founded on the so called celtic musical tradition, adding to this mix latin american musical elements such as instruments, rhythms and melodies. Since October 2002 the band members started to work together as Nimloth playing traditional music from countries such as Ireland, Scotland and the NW regions of Spain of Asturias and Galicia. This work has been sponsored with sucessive state grants from the chilean Fondo de la Música to record and nationally tour the CD "Puerto Celta: Celtic Music from Valparaíso", including there most of the musical work done from 2002 to 2005. From late 2005 the band project starts to be known as banda celtamericana. |
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Subject: RE: Banda Celtamericana in UK From: Sooz Date: 10 Jul 07 - 01:56 PM I'll report back after the gig - I just need to sell some tickets now! |
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Subject: RE: Banda Celtamericana in UK From: GUEST,countrylife Date: 10 Jul 07 - 04:33 PM "so who gives a toss...it's music and it is good! " fully agree with you kat...but apparently some folk (pun intended) do give a toss...sad really |
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Subject: RE: Banda Celtamericana in UK From: The Borchester Echo Date: 11 Jul 07 - 03:17 AM For those who actually do 'give a toss' for human rights and the re-emergence of trad music in Latin America, this tour ought to serve as a reminder that it is approaching 34 years since Pinochet's thugs murdered Victor Jara in Santiago's stadium, stifled the New Chilean Song Movement and forced many exponents, including the famed bands Quilapayun and Inti Illimani, into exile. It remains to be seen whether it will do so, but performances based on Chile's indigenous cultural heritage are rather more likely to achieve this than fake Oirish which is rather too thick on the ground already and will bring little that is distinctive to audiences in Britain. |
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Subject: RE: Banda Celtamericana in UK From: GUEST,Shimrod Date: 11 Jul 07 - 04:18 AM Well, the world is stranger than even I thought it to be! Unfortunately, it also appears to be getting less strange, and more homogeneous, every day. I suppose, on the plus side, wall-to-wall 'Celtic' will make a refreshing change from wall-to-wall Rock ... but I expect that I'll soon be sick of that too ... in fact, to tell the truth, I'm already sick of it! |
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Subject: RE: Banda Celtamericana in UK From: katlaughing Date: 11 Jul 07 - 04:21 AM Don't make such assumptions. You know very well I was referring to their specific music and that is all. If you knew me or looked over my posting history you would know my stance and my work on human rights and indigenous music. I am sure there is room for both trad and the type of music THIS band prefers to perform. It is not an either/or thing. |
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Subject: RE: Banda Celtamericana in UK From: Lizzie Cornish Date: 11 Jul 07 - 05:31 AM >>>For those who actually do 'give a toss' for human rights and the re-emergence of trad music in Latin America, this tour ought to serve as a reminder that it is approaching 34 years since Pinochet's thugs murdered Victor Jara in Santiago's stadium, stifled the New Chilean Song Movement and forced many exponents, including the famed bands Quilapayun and Inti Illimani, into exile.<<< Oh right...so are they now to be accused of being uncaring, self-absorbed musicians who don't give a damn, simply because YOU have deemed it so? Sheesh!! |
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Subject: RE: Banda Celtamericana in UK From: The Borchester Echo Date: 11 Jul 07 - 06:09 AM It is countrylife who boasts of 'not giving a toss' about Chilean political and musical history. The band is, presumably, well aware of it. I would recommend that this person, along with lizziecornish and anyone else so wilfully ignorant, go away and inform themselves before spouting such tripe. The importance of the New Chilean Song Movement, the Chile Solidarity Campaign and associated struggles for Latin American democracy and eventual downfall of Pinochet has, inexplicably, passed them by and this may take some time. |
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Subject: RE: Banda Celtamericana in UK From: Lizzie Cornish Date: 11 Jul 07 - 06:12 AM Oh ALIANZA to you Diane.... |
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Subject: RE: Banda Celtamericana in UK From: katlaughing Date: 11 Jul 07 - 10:41 AM countrylife was quoting me: From their MySpace site, it is easy to see they do NOT claim to only be Chilean nor Celtic, so who gives a toss...it's music and it is good! Nowhere did either of us boast of 'not giving a toss' about Chilean political and musical history. You really like to stir the pot, don't you? At least try to be accurate, Dye-Anne. |
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Subject: RE: Banda Celtamericana in UK From: Lizzie Cornish Date: 11 Jul 07 - 10:52 AM Banda Celtamericana Myspace page Main site |
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Subject: RE: Banda Celtamericana in UK From: The Borchester Echo Date: 11 Jul 07 - 10:58 AM Examples of mature assessment of Chile's musical and political history: 'countrylife': apparently some f*lk . . . do give a toss...sad really 'madlizziecornish': are they now to be accused of being uncaring, self-absorbed musicians who don't give a damn, simply because YOU have deemed it so? Victor Jara and Salvador Allende are still murdered. And, FFS madlizziecornish, stop posting unnecessary links. EVERYBODY knows how to search the internet, should they so wish. |
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Subject: RE: Banda Celtamericana in UK From: katlaughing Date: 11 Jul 07 - 11:04 AM If you are going to base your postings on actual quotes, use the whole quote. It's not nice to pick and choose the bits that fit your agenda, whatever that is. country life said, in full: "so who gives a toss...it's music and it is good! " fully agree with you kat...but apparently some folk (pun intended) do give a toss...sad really Nothing there about not giving a toss' about Chilean political and musical history. |
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Subject: RE: Banda Celtamericana in UK From: The Borchester Echo Date: 11 Jul 07 - 11:15 AM It's a weak attempt in very poor taste to ridicule those who DO 'give a toss' about Chilean music and what befell its exponents in 1973. I was assuming (perhaps wrongly) that everybody in the world (with the obvious exception of madlizziecornish who knows sod all about anything, including the output of her idols) knew that. |
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Subject: RE: Banda Celtamericana in UK From: Lizzie Cornish Date: 11 Jul 07 - 11:27 AM Did you know that Show of Hands 'Country Life' has recently been put forward as a suggestion for the new CD collaboration being put together by Amnesty International Diane? No?.....Gosh...you ARE behind the times aren't you! And no, it wasn't me that put it forward, it was someone in America, who came over to my Myspace page to tell me all about it. Kat's right, you take snippets of what people say and bend them to fit your purpose. You are not the only person in the world who cares you know, although you seem hellbent on trying to convince everyone that's the case. And as to posting links, I'll do as I please thanks very much, so I'd suggest you keep your dictatorial attitude to yourself, even though you may regard such an attitude as fitting in this thread. This is a thread about Banda Celtamericana, so why shouldn't there be easy links to them? I've not noticed you bemoaning the links to Eliza Carthy in her thread, or to any other musicians, subjects, that you are interested in. >>>It's a weak attempt in very poor taste to ridicule those who DO 'give a toss' about Chilean music and what befell its exponents in 1973.<<< Is it? I didn't read it as that, neither did Kat. For someone who abhors dictators as you so claim, you at times so often seem to emulate some of their attitudes that only THEY know what is right and wrong, what people mean or don't mean etc..and you deal out your punishment accordingly... I'd suggest now, if you so chooose, that you go and brush up on the new Amnesty International CD, instead of coming in here, upsetting folk and ruining a perfectly decent thread with your, in my opinion, verbal abuse. Thanks ever so much... Lizzie |
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Subject: RE: Banda Celtamericana in UK From: Maryrrf Date: 11 Jul 07 - 11:30 AM Actually Chile does have a celtic link! Does the name Bernardo O'Higgins mean anything ? Seriously, as a person who was involved with the Chilean exile community in the years following the coup (my ex was in exile because he had been a student activist who supported Allende)- I can say that I don't see anything wrong with a group of young Chilean musicians deciding to explore something different, musically speaking. Surely, although we value the contributions of exponents of La Nueva Cancion Chilena - the Parra family (Violeta and her children), Victor Jara, groups such as Quiliapayun, Inti Illimani, etc. that doesn't mean that all Chilean musicians must confine themselves to that genre! When I lived in France during the seventies I had the pleasure of knowing some of these musicians personally and attended many concerts. Who knew that the Pinochet dictatorship would have lasted so long - at that time everybody was hoping for a change within five years of the coup. My ex finally returned to Chile in the 80's after things had calmed down a bit and it was safe to do so, but even now the family is scarred - for one thing his brother was one of the 'desaparecidos'. You don't get over something like that. Anyway that said - I don't think all music has to be a form of political expression. I'd go to see this group if they were playing in my vicinity! |
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Subject: RE: Banda Celtamericana in UK From: katlaughing Date: 11 Jul 07 - 11:46 AM Thanks, Maryrrf! Diane, if you read that as a "weak attempt to ridicule" you are either thin-skinned or reading WAY too much in peoples' words, or both. |
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Subject: RE: Banda Celtamericana in UK From: The Borchester Echo Date: 11 Jul 07 - 12:58 PM I know a long list of artists who would do a great deal not to come within the sights of madlizziecornish, the demented Sidmouth-via-Pinner seagull, and have their links posted as part of her career-wrecking, trolling, campaign of idiocy. Not a scrap of notice does she take when, time after time, she's pleaded with to stop. And now she's back, sinking to previously unimagined depths of inanity, hellbent now on destroying Amnesty. This band is not exactly known for songwriting so it would be somewhat strange to try and herd them into the New Chilean Song camp. They are competent musicians and on an overseas tour it would be more than odd, indeed perverse, were they not to showcase trad Chilean music. After all, days are now passed (thankfully) that bands of Quilapayun clones are forced to play throughout Europe's market squares. Though, on the other hand, it might remind (or even acquaint people for the first time) of how Chilean music, along with the ordinary people, was oppressed in the cause of democracy. Joan Jara, together with her and Victor's children Amanda and Manuela, lived close to me in the aftermath of 11 September 1973. I was just back from Russia where I'd arrived in Moscow by overnight train from Kiev on the morning of the 12th wih a delegation of Young Communists. I spoke on the platform condemning the Soviet Army, Navy, Airforce and anyone else I could think of for not going to Allende's aid. I was arrested, of course, but not expelled. I wish I had been. Back in England I organised Chile Solidarity benefits and wrote pieces on the sufferings. Yet today the world is swarming with those who give not a toss, whether for the political principle nor the music. That's what's sad. |
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Subject: RE: Banda Celtamericana in UK From: katlaughing Date: 11 Jul 07 - 01:01 PM Agreed, that is sad. Speaking for myself, though, I DO give a toss about the music and the principles, it's just NOT what this thread nor my previous comments were about. You are not the only one on Mudcat, by any means, who has worked for and been concerned about human rights, etc. |
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Subject: RE: Banda Celtamericana in UK From: GUEST,countrylife Date: 11 Jul 07 - 01:08 PM "You really like to stir the pot, don't you?" Yes she does, and for the reason that folks(pun intended) who disagree with her atr in her eyes somewhat less in stature intellectually than she is. Well I've got news for you, you weren't only one who has been arrested and, in some cases, done time for their political beliefs, so get off that high horse of yours , because frankly, my dear, you're getting a wee bit boring. |
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Subject: RE: Banda Celtamericana in UK From: The Borchester Echo Date: 11 Jul 07 - 01:20 PM Good grief. Horse alert AND pathetically weak f*lk j*ke AND tired, barely alive stab at blokish sexism. Clichéeriddenville, Arizona DO go and catch the next available Canada-bound flight and take madlizziecornish with you. |
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Subject: RE: Banda Celtamericana in UK From: GUEST,countrylife Date: 11 Jul 07 - 01:32 PM for ral socially aware people I have all the time tin the world, to listen to their ideas and solutions, where applicable. For posers like you, Diane Easby, I know no time at all. |
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Subject: RE: Banda Celtamericana in UK From: The Borchester Echo Date: 11 Jul 07 - 01:35 PM Good. So sod off to Canada dragging that madlizziecornish troll with you and leave this place free for those of us who want and know how to discuss MUSIC and other real issues. |
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Subject: RE: Banda Celtamericana in UK From: GUEST,countrylife Date: 11 Jul 07 - 01:41 PM and me cliché ridden..?...oh dear...re-read your posting for 11 Jul 07 - 12:58 PM. " I was just back from Russia". "anyone else I could think of for not going to Allende's aid". " I was arrested, of course, but not expelled. I wish I had been." The list is endless isn't it? A veritable cornucopia of "progressive" clichés. and yes I'm laughing at you, not with you. |
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Subject: RE: Banda Celtamericana in UK From: GUEST,countrylife Date: 11 Jul 07 - 01:44 PM ahhh...music..yes a part of my life for a good many years...are you a musician...? |
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Subject: RE: Banda Celtamericana in UK From: The Borchester Echo Date: 11 Jul 07 - 02:25 PM The band under discussion is not exactly known for songwriting so it would be somewhat strange to try and herd them into the New Chilean Song camp. They are competent musicians and on an overseas tour it would be more than odd, indeed perverse, were they not to showcase trad Chilean music. After all, days are now passed (thankfully) that bands of Quilapayun clones are forced to play throughout Europe's market squares. They are, at last, home and able to play openly. Though, on the other hand, it might remind (or even acquaint people for the first time) with how Chilean music, along with the ordinary people, was oppressed in the cause of democracy. Joan Jara, together with her and Victor's children Amanda and Manuela, lived close to me in the aftermath of 11 September 1973. At that time I was just back from Russia where I'd arrived in Moscow by overnight train from Kiev on the morning of the 12th with a delegation of Young Communists. I spoke on the platform condemning the Soviet Army, Navy, Airforce and anyone else I could think of for not going to Allende's aid. I was hauled off by the police, of course, but not expelled. I wish I had been. Back in England I organised Chile Solidarity benefits and wrote pieces on the sufferings. Yet today the world is swarming with those who give not a toss, whether for the political principle nor the music. That's what's sad. People need to know, and hear Chile's traditional music, not to be taken in by Pinochet apologists and their ilk. |
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Subject: RE: Banda Celtamericana in UK From: Big Mick Date: 11 Jul 07 - 02:29 PM Jeri......did I miss something?? I just read countrylife's posts and didn't see anything that resembled a flame. But I did see the same arrogant, know it all, bullshit that Diane seems to throw out every so often. She hits us with arrogance and then makes a weak attempt to tie it to Jara and the horrid actions of Pinochet, in order to justify her arrogance. If it is wrong to have Chileans playing music with a "celtic" (whatever that means) influence, then perhaps we could get these Brit impostor bluesmen to stop playing music that is strictly US born and bred. While we are at it, let's get these phoney French to stop with all that American jazz. And, of course, we must get these American impostors to stop with all this World music they seem to want to play. In short, judge them on their talent and presentation, and save the know it all lectures. Mick |
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Subject: RE: Banda Celtamericana in UK From: Big Mick Date: 11 Jul 07 - 02:32 PM ... and we cross posted. What give you the right to decide what music they will play, or to belittle them for not playing what you, in your pomposity, think they should play? I am sure that there are plenty of Chilean musicians who play the music you describe. It is their choice, not yours. |
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Subject: RE: Banda Celtamericana in UK From: GUEST,countrylife Date: 11 Jul 07 - 02:33 PM Exactly...judge them on their talent and presentation, and never mind the politics |
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Subject: RE: Banda Celtamericana in UK From: katlaughing Date: 11 Jul 07 - 02:35 PM My posting was not flaming, either. I have a right to be sure someone quotes me correctly and to answer their assumptions based on what I posted. |
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Subject: RE: Banda Celtamericana in UK From: GUEST,countrylife Date: 11 Jul 07 - 02:51 PM Thank you kat :-) "I know a long list of artists who would do a great deal not to come within the sights of madlizziecornish, the demented Sidmouth-via-Pinner seagull, and have their links posted as part of her career-wrecking, trolling, campaign of idiocy. Not a scrap of notice does she take when, time after time, she's pleaded with to stop. And now she's back, sinking to previously unimagined depths of inanity, hellbent now on destroying Amnesty" and this is not flaming, of course...... |
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Subject: RE: Banda Celtamericana in UK From: BusyBee Paul Date: 11 Jul 07 - 03:11 PM Sooz, IF you are still there, I'll let you know on Friday if I can make the Live@Cassie's. I'm sure the youngsters will enjoy them, they are far more receptive than some ex-youngsters after all!. Keep up the good work. BBP |
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Subject: RE: Banda Celtamericana in UK From: The Borchester Echo Date: 12 Jul 07 - 10:41 AM More than half a decade ago, under the regime of Bush The First (he who became CIA Director just three years after the coup cooked up by that organisation installed the murderous Pinochet regime in Chile), fRoots declared the following in an editorial: "When I was an early teenager, the world was a lot larger and further away. To people of my age in the monochrome post-war horizons of the small seaside town where I grew up, America seemed alluring and romantic. We were dazzled by it. Blues, jazz, American folk, the still-fresh roots of rock'n'roll, the writings of Kerouac, the language of Lord Buckley, Bob Dylan! - all these things were hip, sophisticated, attractively different, had a depth of secret culture that we wanted to find a way into. It's all different now, of course. America has dumbed beyond belief, and the secret cultures are our own and those of all the other local communities around the world who have undergone cultural ethnic cleansing. Your children can hardly turn on any channel of TV without having American soaps, news, adverts, cartoons and films pounding at them. You can't turn on the radio without hearing American music or local copies of it. Put on Top Of The Pops and every single song will be sung in an American accent, regardless of where the artist comes from. Go to most parts of the globe and turn on the radio and you'll hear the same thing. Walk down the streets in most places on the planet and the same American corporate advertising will lure identically dressed zombies in backwards-facing American baseball caps into American chains to eat American junk food." Things have to change". Thus the partial cultural boycott was born. And this is the rationale behind exhorting artists to examine their OWN cultural heritages, to perform local and regional musics with a sense of roots, place and community. In the case of this band from Latin America, there can be little point for them to dish up in their performances in Britain a 'Celtic' mish-mash/fusion, call it what you will, that is all-too-readily available from proliferating Flook clones everywhere. This is in no way 'telling them what they should play' but pointing out the obvious: that it would be of infinitely greater value for audiences on an overseas tour to hear the band's indigenous music rather than that which is all around them, polluting and diluting those still-extant traditions. It ill behoves the 'anything goes', 'good-enough-for-f*lk' brigade to shriek ignorantly that this is prescriptive. Were they to check back it might just register with them that a band with its roots on display would, in fact, be the OP's preference. |
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Subject: RE: Banda Celtamericana in UK From: GUEST,countrylife Date: 12 Jul 07 - 01:49 PM "And this is the rationale behind exhorting artists to examine their OWN cultural heritages, to perform local and regional musics with a sense of roots, place and community" and this applies to England as well, of course? *It All Comes Round Again* |
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Subject: RE: Banda Celtamericana in UK From: Big Mick Date: 12 Jul 07 - 01:54 PM Diane, quit your ridiculous crap. This is a thread about a band coming to visit. You, in your arrogance, have twisted it to suit you. If you want a discussion of Chilean folk arts, and what you (in Old Blighty, I might add) thinks is appropriate folk music for these artists to play, please start a thread. Anymore hijacking of this one will result in deletion. Talk about the band, or start a political thread. I would gladly participate in a decent discussion of the despicalbe US involvement with the Pinochet government. But not here. Mick |
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Subject: RE: Banda Celtamericana in UK From: Lizzie Cornish Date: 12 Jul 07 - 02:18 PM *It All Comes Round Again* It certainly does! |
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Subject: RE: Banda Celtamericana in UK From: BusyBee Paul Date: 12 Jul 07 - 02:44 PM Oh that our little backwoods place hadn't been discovered...... |
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Subject: RE: Banda Celtamericana in UK From: Folkiedave Date: 12 Jul 07 - 04:38 PM I haven't seen the band and doubt if I will - despite their proximity to Sheffield, not my scene and I think we have enough Irish groups without importing them from S. America. I have seen what's available on the internet and to be honest they didn't strike me as anything special - they may be better live of course. I am intrigued as to why a group from Chile even wants to play Irish music. In the same way I would be intrigued to find out why a band consisting of Sheffield folk musicians wanted to play Chilean music should such a thing exist. However I worked with a Chilean refugee for a number of years. He played in Chile's World Cup Team of 1962. He was one of Allende's elite guards, one of the few that survived. He was a football coach so I often saw the marks of torture on his body when he changed his clothes. There are times when music and politics are totally intertwined. This happens to be one of them. |
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Subject: RE: Banda Celtamericana in UK From: GUEST,Freedom To Choose Date: 12 Jul 07 - 05:22 PM "I am intrigued as to why a group from Chile even wants to play Irish music" Because that's what they choose to do. It's all about choice, not kow-towing to the political flavour of the month, or pleasing some people's political persuasions
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Subject: RE: Banda Celtamericana in UK From: Folkiedave Date: 12 Jul 07 - 05:27 PM The words cage and rattle come to mind. "Intrigued" as in would like to find out more. Simple as that. Do questions like that never occur to you Lizzie? |
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Subject: RE: Banda Celtamericana in UK From: The Borchester Echo Date: 12 Jul 07 - 05:40 PM Hey, the CIA ate my post . . . They've now eaten it twice. Or maybe it's just 'disappeared'. That's what happens in Chile. Rather a lot. That's what they do. The CIA, y'know, and fascist thugs. What I wanted to do was to indicate to these Bushrangers which Route they could point some people along. Like the one to the football stadium. A fitting incarceration for those wilfully obtuse musical ignoramuses unable to see the point of opposing cultural imperialism and allowing indigenous cultures to flourish. Flavour of the month? The fascist coup, the murder of Allende and Popular Unity, of Jara and New Chilean Song was 34 years ago Kow-towing? How dare you insult those musicians who had their hands broken to prevent them from playing? A mere suggestion that a touring band might take the opportunity of clearly much-needed musical education in what was almost lost but is struggling back to life, and which is part of the band's repertoire results in a disgusting outpouring of vile fascist snarling worthy of the Thatch. Well, well. |
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