Irishman that sings with the las?

Subject: Irichman that singis with the las?
From: GUEST,PMB
Date: 10 Jul 07 - 10:12 AM

Edinburgh, 13th November 1539:

Irichman that singis with the las banist.

The quhilk day, Irichman that singis with the las and beggis throu the toune is banist this toune becaus he is ane sterk young fallow and will nocht werk, under the pane of burning of his cheik.

Is the las a person, a musical instrument, a mannerism...?

Subject: RE: Irishman that sings with the las?
From: Megan L
Date: 10 Jul 07 - 10:14 AM

Ya glaikit gommeral hids the auld wey o sayin lassie

Subject: RE: Irishman that sings with the las?
From: Mr Happy
Date: 10 Jul 07 - 10:19 AM

Spellchecked:


Irishman that singes with the lass banish.

The quill day, Irishman that singes with the lass and begins throe the tone is banishing this tone because he is anew-stark young fallow and will notch work, under the pane of burning of his cheek.

Subject: RE: Irishman that sings with the las?
From: Megan L
Date: 10 Jul 07 - 10:22 AM

That was really helpful Mr Happy i think hmm maybe then again :)

Subject: RE: Irishman that sings with the las?
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 10 Jul 07 - 10:29 AM

I never ran into quhilk before, and I came up with this
It basically says that the Irish beggar who sings with a woman and begs in the town but will not work, is told to leave the town on pain of being branded on his cheek. A nice practice indeed!
G.

Subject: RE: Irishman that sings with the las?
From: GUEST,PMB
Date: 10 Jul 07 - 10:47 AM

In quhilk case, why does only the Irishman get punished? Does everyone know who the lass is? Or did he just sing Fields of Athenry once too often?

30th April 1562:

The same day, wes presentit to the provest baillies counsale and dekynnis of craftis ... of the quhilk charge and proclamatioun the tennour followis:... it is statute and commandit that na Robene Hudis nor Litil Jhoneis suld be chosin within oure realme...; nor suffer this yeir ony sic as Robene Hude or Litil Jhonne to be chosin, nor that ony vther vnleissum gammis be vseit within oure said burgh ...vpoun youre vtermest perell..That na maner of persoun ...tak vpoun thaime ony sic office or power as Robene Hude, Litil Jhonne, abbat of Vnressoun or the like office

John Knox was in charge of Edinburgh, apprentices rioting when he suppressed the traditional plays and games. Scotland's Al Quhaieda, or perhaps Wha'haebis.

Subject: RE: Irishman that sings with the las?
From: Jim Lad
Date: 10 Jul 07 - 10:47 AM

Happened to me once. I'll never go back to Auchtermurchty again.

Subject: RE: Irishman that sings with the las?
From: Mr Happy
Date: 10 Jul 07 - 11:01 AM

.........best turn the other cheek!

Subject: RE: Irishman that sings with the las?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 10 Jul 07 - 11:07 AM

The La's were an English rock band of the late 1980s and early 1990s from Liverpool consisting of frontman Lee Mavers (vocals) and John Power (bass, backing vocals), plus a rotating cast of guitarists and drummers. The band wrote the famous song "There She Goes".

Courtesy of Wikipedia.

Courtesy of me...

La' is a Liverpool expression meaning 'Lad'. Aw-rigcht La? Meaning ' Are you alright my good man?' :-) I guess in this context though it doesn't mean that any of the La's were Irish but given the high proportion of Irish in that city you never know...

:D

Subject: RE: Irishman that sings with the las?
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 11 Jul 07 - 09:29 AM

if you run into a curious qu- while reading archaic English, particularly if it came from Scotland, it often helps to substitute a wh- and see what you get.

This doesn't seem to work too well for quhilk, but it often does work in other instances.

Quhilk required a visit to the unabridged dictionary,which said, "for obsolete forms beginning with quh, see the corresponding forms beginning with wh."

So I looked up "whilk" and found that it is obsolete dialect for "which." At least it is when it's not a variant of "whelk."

Did the Scots used to celebrate a Whelk Day?

Subject: RE: Irishman that sings with the las?
From: Mr Happy
Date: 11 Jul 07 - 09:41 AM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/whelk

Subject: RE: Irishman that sings with the las?
From: GUEST,crazy little woman
Date: 11 Jul 07 - 02:31 PM

"Quhar art thow gane, my luf Erudices?"

[Where art thou gone, my love Erudice?]

    Robert Henryson, medieval Scottish poet