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Origin: Riley's Daughter / Reilly's Daughter

Goater 13 Apr 99 - 11:03 PM
Sandy Paton 14 Apr 99 - 04:04 PM
Tucker 15 Apr 99 - 01:08 PM
Sandy Paton 15 Apr 99 - 01:19 PM
Bert 15 Apr 99 - 03:35 PM
GUEST,Pete Kosel 19 Jan 04 - 05:10 AM
Dave Hanson 19 Jan 04 - 05:31 AM
Q (Frank Staplin) 19 Jan 04 - 01:51 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 19 Jan 04 - 08:40 PM
dick greenhaus 20 Jan 04 - 01:45 AM
Charley Noble 17 Nov 09 - 08:47 AM
Lighter 17 Nov 09 - 09:11 AM
Charley Noble 17 Nov 09 - 11:58 AM
meself 17 Nov 09 - 12:11 PM
Jacob B 17 Nov 09 - 01:08 PM
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Subject: Riley's Daughter question...
From: Goater
Date: 13 Apr 99 - 11:03 PM

Does anyone know where/when/who wrote Riley's Daughter. I'm guessing that since I have heard several different versions (with some lyrics that just couldn't be posted in public) that it has been heavily basterdized and mutated, but does anyone know where the madness began?


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Subject: RE: Riley's Daughter question...
From: Sandy Paton
Date: 14 Apr 99 - 04:04 PM

G. Legman, editing the Randolph collection of what were once considered "unprintable" songs, now printed by the University of Arkansas in two volumes: Roll Me in Your Arms and Blow the Candle Out, refers (in the first volume cited, pages 137-139) to an ur text titled "The Rover" which he dates to the 1790s. The more modern "One Eyed Riley" (in the version I learned in 1948, "One Ball Riley") text that he reports was collected from a Mena, Arkansas, fellow who had learned his "broad repertory" of bawdy songs during World War II or in the decade before it.

Legman tells us that his private archive contains over thirty examples of the song. He again refers to it as being derived from a "light-hearted eighteenth-century British ballad of erotic adventure."

See also page 228 of Ed Cray's The Erotic Muse, where he notes that a fragment of the song figures in the first act of T.S. Eliot's The Cocktail Party. Oscar Brand says the version included in his Songs of Raking and Roving is "at least 100 years old." I think there can be no doubt that what we have here is a traditional song of unknown authorship with a long history of oral transmission.

Sandy


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Subject: RE: Riley's Daughter question...
From: Tucker
Date: 15 Apr 99 - 01:08 PM

I just love Bawdy songs!


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Subject: RE: Riley's Daughter question...
From: Sandy Paton
Date: 15 Apr 99 - 01:19 PM

Then you'd love those Randolph books! I got one volume via the used book web sites (ABE, Bookfinder, or Bibliofind), the other I bought (ouch) new.

Sandy


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Subject: RE: Riley's Daughter question...
From: Bert
Date: 15 Apr 99 - 03:35 PM

Tucker, Have you searched DT for @bawdy?

You'll get hundreds of great ones.

Bert.


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Subject: RE: Riley's Daughter question...
From: GUEST,Pete Kosel
Date: 19 Jan 04 - 05:10 AM

On a serious note, a search of several online archives turns up no evidence of a tune called "reilly's daughter" or "riley's daughter" but a tune called "Wrecker's Daughter" can be found in the library of congress as sheet music starting around 1840. Wrecker's Daughter has portions of the modern "Reilly's Daughter" in it and one of the earliest versions was published by Riley as a pianop arrangement purportedly based on the original German text. Other versions were commonly described as being based on music played by marching bands, and Wrecker's Daughter is still alive in much it's original form in the repertoire of fife and drum corps players. Riley also published several collections of flute tunes in the same era.

Here's a link to the library of congress Wrecker's Daughter sheet music on line:

http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/S?ammem/mussm:@field(TITLE+@od1(The+wrecker's+daughter++))

And here's an ABC version based on a fifer's book, "American Veteran Fifer", published circa 1905:
X:121
T:Wrecker's Daughter *?
B:American Veteran Fifer #121
M:2/4
L:1/16
Q:1/8=240
K:D
aaa z aaa z|aaa z aaa z|E2A2 d2de|d2c2B2A2|bbb z bbb z|bbb z bbb z|B2d2 g2ga|g2f2e2d2|ccc z ccc z|ccc z ccc z|A2ce a4|A2ce a4|f2e2c2f2|.d3 z .d3 z|d6 z2:|e2e2f2e2|
c2c2d2c2|B2B2f2e2|c3GABcd|e2e2f2e2|B2B2 f2e2|A2 z2a4:|F4 A2d2|F4 A2d2|G4 B2d2|F4 A2d2|E4 G2B2|A4 d2f2|e2^gg g2g2|a2 z2 a4|f4 A2d2|f4 A2d2|G4 B2d2| F4 A2d2|E4 G2B2|A4 d2f2|e2AA B2c2|d2 z2 d4:|

Anyway, the point is that Reilly's Daughter may (or may not) be derived from "Wrecker's Daughter". Where the heck "Wrecker's Daughter" originated I am not sure - perhaps there was some military figure nicknamed "Wrecker"???


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Subject: RE: Riley's Daughter question...
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 19 Jan 04 - 05:31 AM

Tucker you should try Ed Cray's ' Bawdy Ballads ' a serious study but containing all the best filth.
eric


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Subject: RE: Riley's Daughter question...
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 19 Jan 04 - 01:51 PM

Thanks, Pete Kosel.
The Levy Collection also has several different printings of "The Wrecker's Daughter," earliest date 1838, but from a German piece. None has lyrics. The composer may be a German by name of J. G. von Rieff.


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Subject: Lyr Add: O'REILLY'S DAUGHTER (Canadian)
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 19 Jan 04 - 08:40 PM

Lyr. Add: O'REILLY'S DAUGHTER (Canadian)

A I was sittin' by the fire,
Drinkin' Reilly's rum and water,
I was taken by desire
To go and shag O'Reilly's daughter.

Chorus:
Idi-i, idi-i, idi-i-ai,
Idi-i-ai with a one-eyed Reilly,
One, two, balls to you.
Dig-a dig-a rig tres bon.

Now up the stairs and into bed,
There I threw my right leg over,
She didn't mind a goddam bit,
She laughed like hell when the shag was over.

As I was comin' down the steps,
Who should I meet but the one-eyed Reilly,
With two pistols in his hands,
Lookin' for the man who shagged his daughter.

Now I grabbed O'Reilly by the neck,
Shoved his head in a pail of water*,
Rammed two pistols up his ass,
A damn sighter faster than I shagged his daughter.

A very mild bawdy version, being Canadian. *usually sung 's---'
Anthony Hopkins, 1979, "Songs From the Front and Rear, Canadian Servicemen's Songs of the Second World War," Hurtig publishers, Edmonton, p. 158,


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Subject: RE: Riley's Daughter question...
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 20 Jan 04 - 01:45 AM

BTW, Ed Cray's book--the first serious study of the bawdy song to be published--is titled "The Erotic Muse"


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Subject: RE: Riley's Daughter question...
From: Charley Noble
Date: 17 Nov 09 - 08:47 AM

Here's a link to a Victorian melodrama, 1836, called "The Wrecker's Daughter" that may have inspired the song: Click here for website

Great graphic but no song in text.

Cheerily,
Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: Riley's Daughter question...
From: Lighter
Date: 17 Nov 09 - 09:11 AM

Since early melodramas by definition included a musical score, the "Wrecker's Daughter" tune could well have originated with the play.


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Subject: RE: Riley's Daughter question...
From: Charley Noble
Date: 17 Nov 09 - 11:58 AM

Lighter-

I was thinking along the same lines myself. The tune of "The Wrecker's Daughter" to my hearing doesn't sound similar to the tune I'm familiar with for "Riley's Daughter."

Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: Riley's Daughter question...
From: meself
Date: 17 Nov 09 - 12:11 PM

Reminds of one time in my misspent youth when I was sitting on the living-room couch with my guitar, learning to play and sing Riley's Daughter from a Clancy Brothers songbook. My stern Presbyterian of a father happened past, and I was surprised to hear him later grumbling to my mother about me singing "cleaned-up barracks-room ballads". I hadn't realized that there was a bawdy version, much less that my father would ever have allowed himself to have been exposed to such a thing. (I must have assumed they spent their spare time singing nothing but hymns in the barracks of WWII).


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Subject: RE: Riley's Daughter question...
From: Jacob B
Date: 17 Nov 09 - 01:08 PM

The version of the lyrics from Q, above, is closer to the version I first heard than any other I've ever seen in print. However, it is missing the last verse:

Now all you maidens gather round
And answer me now, bold or shyly.
Do you want it straight and true
Or the way I give it to the One-Eyed Riley?

chorus:
Tory ooley, tory iley
What's the matter with the One-Eyed Riley
Tory ooley, tory iley
Tres beau


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