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Subject: RE: BS: Has anyone noticed....UK From: Dave the Gnome Date: 09 Aug 07 - 04:58 AM It's a bit of very poor reasoning, Jim. I wouldn't worry about it. May as well say "Not all men are rapists by any means, but all rapists appear to be men." What are we supposed to deduce from it? It's just a non-sensical soundbite, probably picked up from the tabloid press. Dave. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Has anyone noticed....UK From: GUEST Date: 09 Aug 07 - 03:16 AM "All Moslems are not terrorists by any means, but all terrorists appear to be Moslems." Only if you don't count militant animal rights groups, Irish political organisations of various persuasions, extremist 'right to life' groups, Unibombers, fundamental Zionists, fundamental Christians, residents who terrorise Travellers to the extent of firebombing their caravans, militant racists... et al. Then of course there are the state terrorists who use imprisonment without trial, torture (whoops- I meant rendition) and the slaughter of civilians (collateral damage). Then again, there are the clandestine government agencies who have been happy to use terror tactics to destabilise and overthrow democratically elected groups in order to secure oil supplies and maintain a political influence in countries such as Chile, Greece, Argentine, Guatamala, Haiti, Cuba..... And the beat goes on! Or did I blink when George Bush converted to Islam. Jim Carroll |
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Subject: RE: BS: Has anyone noticed....UK From: The PA Date: 08 Aug 07 - 11:22 AM We have a Polish lady in our company, she's now head of marketing. She (university lecturer in Poland) and her husband (extremely respected surgeon in Poland) have moved to the UK with their children because, no matter how hard they worked or the more successful they became, the more they were stamped on by the Polish government. Regardless of their status, they were still living in a grotty one bed apartment, with very little on the horizon for their children. They are both working in the UK and paying their taxes. She was recently criticised by another colleague for taking jobs from English people. He forgot to tell her that last year his son emigrated with his family to Australia for the very same resons. I only know her story. But we have to ask ourselves in that position would we not do exactly the same?? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Has anyone noticed....UK From: Backwoodsman Date: 08 Aug 07 - 09:41 AM Mary????......... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Has anyone noticed....UK From: Backwoodsman Date: 07 Aug 07 - 12:11 PM GUEST "Mary Swirski" - will you please sign up as a member and send me a PM (Personal Message) on Mudcat, I have some news about the 300 Squadron Commemoration on 8th September which may be of interest to you. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Has anyone noticed....UK From: autolycus Date: 07 Aug 07 - 11:04 AM "Has anyone noticed" that flatpick seems to have followed James into the ringof enlightenment. Or summat. Ivor |
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Subject: RE: BS: Has anyone noticed....UK From: GUEST,PMB Date: 07 Aug 07 - 03:51 AM I hope she didn't teach you it was "Mój poduszkowiec jest pełen węgorzow". |
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Subject: RE: BS: Has anyone noticed....UK From: Emma B Date: 06 Aug 07 - 05:04 PM My mother was engaged to a Polish pilot stationed in town in WW2. He didn't make it back but after both of my parents died I found a beautiful inscribed photograph in her belongings. She always taught me as a child how to say "I will return to Crewe" (my home town) in Polish! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Has anyone noticed....UK From: Dave the Gnome Date: 06 Aug 07 - 04:45 PM Good luck, Mary. Hope that your Father finds some old friends. It will be a very moving experience anyway. You may, and others, may enjoy this. The story of a Polish Wellington Bomber crewe who were not so lucky - Apart from one, who's story is fascinating. I have seen the memorial and it brought a tear to my eye. Cheers Dave |
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Subject: Faldingworth Memorial Service - 300th squadron From: GUEST,Mary Swirski Date: 06 Aug 07 - 01:46 AM Hello, Im a Canadian lady, my father (Walter Swirski), RAF pilot, met my mom while at Faldingworth. Father (and his parents) were removed from their home (at gunpoint) in Poland for being "unwanted elements" of the communist system (they belonged to the underground) and served 2 years in a Siberian prison camp. Father was released and went to England where he flew Lancaster bombers. Father has not been to England in 50 years (he & my mom emmigrated to Canada). He is coming to England on Sept 8 for a "service" for the 300th squadron at Faldingworth. Please post to this site if you or your relatives belonged to the 300th squadron and remember the bomber pilot named "Walter Swirski" - i'd like to arrange for them to meet up. Although, considering my fathers age, 84, I doubt that many of his friends are still alive. Thanks kindly, Mary. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Has anyone noticed....UK From: Peace Date: 05 Aug 07 - 05:20 PM "Subject: BS: Has anyone noticed....UK From: GUEST,James - PM Date: 25 Jul 07 - 05:31 PM" James, you sound like a racist arsehole to me. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Has anyone noticed....UK From: Dave the Gnome Date: 05 Aug 07 - 05:15 PM And your racist soundbites are different from James's racist soundbites in what way, Flatpick? You admit that you are racist as if this is a good thing. Why is that? Dave Who wasn't brought up surounded by Christian Poles but was brought up BY Christian Poles and learned the real value of tollerance. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Has anyone noticed....UK From: autolycus Date: 05 Aug 07 - 03:34 PM At the risk of looking like we've learned nothing, ever wondered why? (Not that it's true, but don't want to come over all pedantic at this point in history) Ivor PS Hope you do irony but , who knows? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Has anyone noticed....UK From: Flatpick Date: 05 Aug 07 - 12:18 PM I was raised as an Air force brat surrounded on both sides by Polish folks who fought alongside us in WWll and couldn't go home 'cos their country was then run by communists. They were, and are, polite, hard-working, decent, moral, great people who don't want to suicide-bomb us, or hate us whilst taking everything we have to offer and despise us as infidels, just want a decent life and work hard. Give us more Christian Poles who pick up English as a language in about three months, and a lot less Moslems who only know the words "political asylum" and "financial support" and cost us, I'm told, £55 million per annum in translators fees alone. Yes, too right I'm racist. All Moslems are not terrorists by any means, but all terrorists appear to be Moslems. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Has anyone noticed....UK From: GUEST,JoeknowsmyIPtonight Date: 05 Aug 07 - 01:13 AM getting very drunk staying up to daylight watching "Kanal" & "Ashes and Diamonds" movie double bill.. seem to do this every 10 to 15 years.. such touching sad despairing movies.. no, I don't begrudge Poles moving to my town.. how could I ???? but somehow I'd be surprised if the eager to enrich themselves 20 somethings Polish workers living in shared houses in my street have ever or would even want to watch these antique black and white half century old movies about a past anyone in their right mind would want to wish never happened.. Poles are welcome to drink in my house. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Has anyone noticed....UK From: GUEST,Crazy Man Michael Date: 04 Aug 07 - 04:20 PM why would Guest james hang about, he's done what he set out to do, got all the usual suspects riled up..... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Has anyone noticed....UK From: Dave the Gnome Date: 04 Aug 07 - 10:33 AM What has happened to Guest, James? I guess he has been abducted by Polish immigrants, forced to drink Wodka and eat Kalbasa while chanting 'Dien Dobre'... :D |
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Subject: RE: BS: Has anyone noticed....UK From: stallion Date: 04 Aug 07 - 03:47 AM Firstly, and it has been mentioned already, a recent add for waiting staff yielded no applicants who were born in the UK (National Trust Tea room) , they were all eastern european and very hard working and reliable, this has been so for a couple of years. We do have a lot of migrant workers in the building trade but that is because there is a skill shortage, due largely to firms having to be "mean and lean", which rolls out as no budget for training people which is expensive. The fact that they are working for a lot less money concerns me only from the point that they are being ripped off, exploited, and probably because we are unwilling to engage with them and include them, bring them into the wage equation and make it more difficult to take advantage of them. We are blessed with an influx of very beautiful and wonderful folk and the Odd a**ehole, we have enough home grown ones, no shortage of them. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Has anyone noticed....UK From: Liz the Squeak Date: 04 Aug 07 - 02:57 AM I suspect that facism, like fashion will rear its ugly head again and again in years to come. Looking through the shops yesterday for a new shirt, all I could find were things that looked suspiciously like the smock tops I was wearing in the 1970's. Thankfully though, none of them were crimplene or brushed nylon. My point? There is nothing new in history, it is doomed to repeat itself. However... just as we now have smock tops and wedge shoes again, this time around it's slightly different and hopefully better. Just as we know that crimplene and nylon are bad for the environment (by-lines of the oil industry) and our health (hot, sweaty, non-absorbent fabrics), we know that facism is bad for us and we should look for healthier alternatives. 900 years ago, we didn't know half the world existed and were right to be afraid of what was out there. 500 years ago, we knew it was there but it was beyond the reach of ordinary man, so we still had reason to be afraid. 100 years ago, the invention of the motor car and aeroplane meant we could visit these places, understand them and learn not to be frightened any more. Once we all learn not to be frightened of the unknown, by understanding them, then facism, Nazi-ism, racism and religion-ism will fade away into the past like so much crimplene and brushed nylon. LTS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Has anyone noticed....UK From: GUEST,Jim Carroll Date: 04 Aug 07 - 02:42 AM "I don't think only Nazis read the Daily Mail" It is within living memory that Nazis owned the Daily Mail - Lord Rothermere was one of Hitler's greatest supporters. Never really shaken off that legacy as far as I'm concerned. Nice to see this thread turned from a rather nasty racist comment into a debate on fascism - thanks for that James, wherever you are. Jim Carroll |
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Subject: RE: BS: Has anyone noticed....UK From: GUEST,Crazy Man Michael Date: 03 Aug 07 - 11:31 AM "Take notice of the americans if you want to know what service should be like" you ARE joking, of course........? *runs out of the room stifling an insane laugh* |
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Subject: RE: BS: Has anyone noticed....UK From: GUEST,ibo Date: 02 Aug 07 - 07:11 PM So your saying the level of service is worse than that of the english,what planet are you on? Take notice of the americans if you want to know what service should be like.They can make a burger sound like a sirloin steak,our spotty herberts make us chunder before we have tasted it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Has anyone noticed....UK From: Mr Happy Date: 01 Aug 07 - 08:33 PM This Seeing Eye That Seeing Eye Who쳌fs Seeing Eye? The next Seeing Eye A big red seeing eye Is this anyone쳌fs seeing eye? Which Seeing Eye What Seeing Eye Where쳌fs my seeing eye? A bag of seeing eyes, please. Any seeing eyes? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Has anyone noticed....UK From: Mr Happy Date: 01 Aug 07 - 08:00 PM i've just posted here x 3. Where's my posts?? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Has anyone noticed....UK From: Little Hawk Date: 01 Aug 07 - 06:53 PM I anticipated that you might object, Azizi. Of course no one consciously wants to feel persecuted. But have you not met individuals (not of any particular race, necessarily) who subconsciously wanted to feel persecuted? And why? Well, there are many reasons why. Some people really enjoy feeling a sense of persecution, because it makes them feel righteous, it makes them feel noble and put-upon, and it gives them something to be indignant about all the time and raise hell about. It justifies their cherished beliefs about themselves and others. It reinforces their sense of identity. It confirms their mythos...the way they see themselves in history. It exonerates their anger. It gives them the right to lash out at someone. It proves that they were "right all along" about "those" people. Such a person will look around diligently for offence by someone, anyone, even if it is not being offered, and will soon think he or she has found it. Hell, I've had (a few) relatives like that, and they're not black. ;-) They're white. I've had (the odd) neighbours like that. I've had (again, a few) co-workers like that. Such attitudes are not restricted to any particular race. Such attitudes are often based around gender or religious or class issues rather than racial issues. You say, 'the statements appear to lump all people of African American descent into one homogeneous thinking & acting group called "The blacks".' Ah...well, that would be a grievous error, and it is precisely the practice of people with a race-based "victim power" psychology...or a "superior race" or "master race" psychology to do that: to lump all the people of their race into one homogeneous thinking and acting group called "US". To lump all the people of some other race into one homogeneous thinking and acting group called "THEM". That's what the man who wrote the passage I quoted is objecting to, and that's what I'm objecting to...whoever does it...black, white, Native American, female, male, Protestant, Catholic, I don't care. You said, "I'm sure that (the victim game) does occur among some Black people sometimes." Yes it does. It also occurs among some Native Americans sometimes. I can attest to that, because I spent much time among Native Americans for decades because of my affection for their traditions, and I got a bellyfull of witnessing the "victim game" being played by the end of it. It occurred among long-haired white youths in the years of my youth...and I got a bellyfull of that by the end too. It was the same damn victim game being played...but a different set of "victims". It's so self-serving and hypocritical. It occurs all over the place among all kinds of people who think of themselves as being (or having once been) oppressed by someone, and it can be a very nasty thing to deal with. You get blamed by association for stuff you were never even a part of when you're not one of the group. When a person cannot look at issues dispassionately outside of the specific identity of their race, their religion, their politics or their gender...then the stage is set for a lot of unnecessary trouble and ill will. Is prejudice alive and strong in the USA? You betcha! And it goes both ways. It's downright frightening in some parts of the USA. The only country I've been in so far where I honestly could not detect any hint of racial division between the blacks and whites I saw around me was in Cuba. The lack of any noticeable racial divide there was quite noticeable. It was one of the best things about the place. As for Canada, things are fairly moderate here compared to the USA...but there is definitely prejudice, and there are definitely people playing both the "victim" game and the "superior race" game, whether or not they will ever admit it or even become aware of it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Has anyone noticed....UK From: Azizi Date: 01 Aug 07 - 04:56 PM Little Hawk, I don't suppose that you'll be surprised to know that I take great issue with the statements made in the movie review of "In The Heat Of The Night" . Imo, the statements you quoted are flawed partly because they don't appear to take into consideration institutional racism. Secondly, the statements appear to lump all people of African American descent into one homogeneous thinking & acting group called "The blacks". I can attest to the fact that I and Black Americans who I know don't "want to feel persecuted". I and other African Americans who I know don't "play the victims game". Yes, I'm sure that does occur among some Black people sometimes. But, to broad brush this attitude as one that all-or even most-Black Americans- have is {as I've said before} much too simplistic. That said, I've no interest in turning the focus of this discussion from the UK to a discussion of the state of White/non-White race relations and the institutionalized inequities that are still very much in operation in the USA {in the mass media, and in the public education system, juvenile justice system, child welfare system, public welfare system, criminal justice system, health care system, housing system, employment systems, such as electrician, plumbing and other such union jobs, etc etc etc}. And since I have no desire to post another comment about racism in the USA, and since I choose not to make any other comment about what some one who is Black, White, or Green thinks that 20 million plus Black people think, and since I don't know anything about immigrants and race/ethnic relations in the UK, I'll go back to my role as a lurker on this thread. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Has anyone noticed....UK From: GUEST,Crazy Man Michael Date: 01 Aug 07 - 03:56 PM "I don't think only Nazis read the Daily Mail, but I feel it's responsible for turning a lot of its readers into racists." now this sort of blanket statement REALLY scares me. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Has anyone noticed....UK From: GUEST,Crazy Man Michael Date: 01 Aug 07 - 03:52 PM "they are still doing the jobs that our unemployed could be doing tho." tho? ohhh though...ok..now....these "unemployed". Tell me, if they want the jobs so badly, why didn't they apply for them like everyone else? That's how it works, you go and fill in an application, this applies to everyone who wants the chance at a particular job. Does being a white Anlo-Saxon Protestant make you an exception to the rule..? NO! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Has anyone noticed....UK From: Blindlemonsteve Date: 01 Aug 07 - 03:44 PM so peter, you in your wisdom and knowledge of this very wide and varied world have decided that you can judge peoples intellect and point of view solely on the newspaper they read......... You must be one heck of a judge of character, please elaborate and put some meat on the bone, i have only actually seen one liners from you in this thread, sprouting sound bites probably from other people. Please enlighten us all with your wise words. The ball is in your court. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Has anyone noticed....UK From: GUEST,Crazy Man Michael Date: 01 Aug 07 - 03:42 PM "Make voting compulsory" isn't that a wee bit anti-choice?...still what DO you expect..? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Has anyone noticed....UK From: GUEST Date: 01 Aug 07 - 03:38 PM "try looking outside the box and you might be surprised to find intelligent people with all sorts new ideas from all walks of life. " Ohhhhh....you mean the membership lists for the BNP... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Has anyone noticed....UK From: Little Hawk Date: 01 Aug 07 - 02:28 PM Yeah, Steve, I find "wanker" pretty amusing too, but I never heard of "tosser" until I was on Mudcat. You said, "i personally think that Britain is eating itself from within with this racial obsession" So do I. I think that the whole damn western world is eating itself from within with racial obsession. It's ridiculous. People should focus on their similarities, not their differences, if they wish to have a healthy psychology and good relations with one another. They should not isolate themselves into what are really just defensive tribal groupings under the illusion that this somehow elevates them or serves their "racial pride". Here is a marvelous piece of writing on the subject that I found on a movie reviewing website: The ethos of the film *(In the Heat of the Night), by which I mean the values it examines, are locked into the 1960s, and even earlier. I recall hitchhiking through the South (Maryland, actually) and still seeing signs at the time reading "Colored Only" over the rest rooms. And an African-American friend who took pictures of such arrangements being followed out of town by a short string of local cars and stopped for questioning. The film reflects a dangerous and hate-filled time which Southerners have finally overcome, thank God. And yet this same ethos lives on in the minds of many Southern whites and even more African-Americans, not reflected in on-the-ground behavioral reality, but in beliefs. I taught for years in a Southern mostly African-American university before I came to realize how important this myth is to blacks. To ask them, or anyone else, to give up that history of persecution is to ask them to sacrifice a solidarity that is otherwise unattainable. There is "us" and then there is "them". And "they" are the enemy which draws us together and from which we gain support and succor. There is not much segregation in the South or elsewhere (although it still exists), but there might as well be. From the point of view of African-Americans, there almost NEEDS to be. Don't human organizations need a history of persecution? The Christians have Nero, Jews have four thousand years of it, including the holocaust, Irish have the British occupation, Moslems have the hejira, Mormons have the assasination of Smith. We -- who have once been treated unjustly -- have Victim Power. You can't understand us unless you've walked a mile in our moccasins. James Baldwin and Margaret Mead once chatted and published their views in "A Rap on Race." They both agreed that we need to disregard the past (not forget it) and start anew. Of course, no one remembers the book or its message because it flies in the face of social dynamics. The hell with that, I want to feel persecuted! There is the crux of the problem. Instead of learning from the past and moving beyond its limitations, moving on to a completely fresh understanding of shared brotherhood, people seem to prefer to wallow in the past, to recycle the hatred and blame, and to perpetuate the sense of victimhood and accusation, generation after generation. For them issues of race become an abiding obsession that eats them up from within. They want their children to carry their pain and anger forward. This isn't a helpful attitude to pass on to children. By the way, the above passage was taken from a very positive review of "In the Heat of the Night", a brilliant movie with Sydney Poitier, outstanding in that it does not stoop to preachy and cardboard stereotyping of racism, but shows it in both its crude and its more subtle manifestations. Both the redneck white sherriff AND the more enlightened black police officer from Philadelphia are shown to be carrying racial prejudice...but in the case of Poitier's character it is far more subtle...and even he is surprised when directly confronted with his own prejudice, his own desire to "get even", not least because it interferes with him being able to do his job as he would want to...impartially and with total objectivity. He and the southern sherrif both become wiser men and they learn to respect and even like one another by the end of the film...not as a northern black man and a southern white man, but as two flawed human beings who recognize the good points and value in one another, despite the flaws. That's something to see. It's a wonderful movie. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Has anyone noticed....UK From: GUEST,Crazy Man Michael Date: 01 Aug 07 - 02:13 PM "racist" "sexist" "facist" names thrown around by some people when other people disagree with them.You only have to look through the threads here at Mudcat, it's all there folks. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Has anyone noticed....UK From: Blindlemonsteve Date: 01 Aug 07 - 01:50 PM Hi Little hawk, i have a friend in New York, he loves the word "WANKER" which really means the same thing as tosser, he cracks up every time he hears it, it is his lifes work to get everyone in America to say it with a British accent. Hi Ruth, i think it depends on your definition of Racism, it seems that the tolerance levels to such a term is varying depending on your political view. to me Britain seems obsessed with the term, and is starting to manifest in the population the desire to call anyone a racist just for acknowledging that some one is from a different ethnic background, or using the word "Black" in describing someone or something is not racist, using someones ethnic background to gain control and superiority over such a person is racist. Its like pornography really, to some people page 3 is offensive to others its just a harmless bit of fun.... it all depends on your own perception, i personally think that Britain is eating itself from within with this racial obsession. Most people are intelligent enough to live together in harmony. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Has anyone noticed....UK From: Peter K (Fionn) Date: 01 Aug 07 - 01:48 PM Intelligent people read the Daily Mail? Hahahahaha! (It's the way you tell'em, Blindlemonsteve...) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Has anyone noticed....UK From: Little Hawk Date: 01 Aug 07 - 12:58 PM I always get a chuckle out of hearing people use the word "tosser" to disparage someone. It's an unknown term in North America, bringing to mind only someone who is throwing some small object, such as a baseball, perhaps. Teribus used to call me a tosser when we would disagree about some political matter. I suppose I should have been devastated! "No! No! Not that! Anything but that! Please, please don't call me a...a...tosser! (sob)" ;-) Instead I always found it quite amusing. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Has anyone noticed....UK From: Ruth Archer Date: 01 Aug 07 - 12:50 PM The Daily Mail is CENTRE right? Dunno what political spectrum you're on, chap, but to me, the Times is centre right. The Daily Mail is a nasty, intolerant piece of right-wing filth that spreads paranoia, hatred and lies. I'm not suggesting one newspaper is responsible for all the racial intolerance in the UK. They are one propigator of hatred and fear; there are plenty of others. I don't think only Nazis read the Daily Mail, but I feel it's responsible for turning a lot of its readers into racists. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Has anyone noticed....UK From: Blindlemonsteve Date: 01 Aug 07 - 06:53 AM Exactly my point Peter, you are a victim of Blairs legacy, you are unable to take in the concept that there are people in the world with different views to yourself, its just that your argument is so weak, the only defence you have is attack and labeling people you dont agree with as thick, stupid or tossers.... try looking outside the box and you might be surprised to find intelligent people with all sorts new ideas from all walks of life. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Has anyone noticed....UK From: Peter K (Fionn) Date: 01 Aug 07 - 06:00 AM Are you sure, Blindlemonsteve? I would have thought that "Nazis" "thick" "stupid" and "tossers" covered most Daily Mail readers? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Has anyone noticed....UK From: Blindlemonsteve Date: 01 Aug 07 - 03:35 AM Ruth, your counter points are of course right, but to state a that one newspaper is responsible is pushing it a bit far, ok, the Daily Mail is a centre right publication, but just because someone reads it, it doesnt make them a Nazi,it also doesnt make them thick, stupid or tossers. This is the core of the problem, because of the policies in Westminster over the last 10 years, if you have a centre right view, you must be a Nazi, that is as ludicrous as saying that if you read the Daily Mirror, you must be a communist. Anyway, Autolycus, my Spanish is coming along, I understand more than i know how to speak, it doesnt sound like gobbledeegook anymore, i can hear coherent sentences, i have to think about my replies to questions, and plan what to say when i go to the shops, but i do feel that i am getting there,,, Thanks for asking. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Has anyone noticed....UK From: Northman Date: 31 Jul 07 - 09:29 PM Great link Mr. Happy thanks. Dear Ruth Archer - if you look more closely you will find that I did not actually say vote for someone that would get rid of immigrants. I wrote vote for someone that thinks the same as you do. Perhaps a person that is scared of Pole's in the cafe may want to have more enforcement of current regulations or new regulations rather than stopping immigration all together. There is a huge grey area and a lot of nuance to immigration policy. My main point was simply to vote first and complain later. Voting is the simplest way to effect change but the point is to get involved. The main problem here (see the 2004 and 2000 presidential elections) is the same that several of you have already mentioned - not much to choose from. Since that is the case I am all in favor of BlindLemonSteve's "none of the above" box. Eric |
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Subject: RE: BS: Has anyone noticed....UK From: Don(Wyziwyg)T Date: 31 Jul 07 - 08:29 PM "Anyone who is "scared" by Polish people serving them in their local cafe has some serious issues, probably inspired by tabloid paranoia." Yep! I'll go along with that. By far the more scary prospect is some local hoody catching a glimpse of the contents of your wallet when you pay for your cuppa. Scariest of all is the thought of the British Nazi (Oops! Sorry, that's British National) Party ever gaining any significant power. Then I would definitely emigrate to Poland. Don T. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Has anyone noticed....UK From: HuwG Date: 31 Jul 07 - 07:20 PM "Read the bottom line on the chart please, Mr. Pasicznyk." "Er, J, M, C, Y ... yes, I know him." **** A true story. Two of my friends, one of whom I played rugby with, were the descendents of Eastern European immigrants (possibly DPs, Displaced Persons, who moved to Britain immediately after the war.) Both were schoolteachers. They became engaged. At the lady's school, the headmaster stood up at morning assembly and said "You will all be pleased to hear that Miss Sauznieva is getting married." They were, none more so than form 3B, whose parents had a devil of a time writing notes explaining absence or sickness.* The headmaster continued, "She is getting married to a Mr. Janikuczacz ..." * Mind you, these parents were also the source of the joke about, "Please excuse my son's absence from school yesterday. He had **** Claims of floods of immigrants driving UK people out of subsidised housing and work have been around since the b****y Romans arrived. Personally, I have little regard for the UK immigration authorities, who spend endless hours harrassing genuine refugees, while failing to halt the activities of criminals such as people-smugglers, and the gang-masters of cheap illegal immigrant labourers. Their so called successes smack too much of "low-hanging fruit". |
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Subject: RE: BS: Has anyone noticed....UK From: autolycus Date: 31 Jul 07 - 05:54 PM I agree with many of your sentiments, blindlemon. As a steely-minded liberal, i think you have a right to express your views, and our side could do worse than stick to the arguments. blindlemon, how's your Spanish, btw? Ivor |
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Subject: RE: BS: Has anyone noticed....UK From: Ruth Archer Date: 31 Jul 07 - 04:43 PM Anyone who is "scared" by Polish people serving them in their local cafe has some serious issues, probably inspired by tabloid paranoia. Anyone whose solution to that fear is not some attempt at understanding and tolerance but, instead, "vote for the party that will get rid of them for you" is accepting and legitimising that irrational, tabloid-fired fear. There's only one party I can think which actively encourages people to fear and resent "the other": the BNP. Anyone who legitimiases Daily Mail paranoia and BNP politics is a tosser. End of. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Has anyone noticed....UK From: John MacKenzie Date: 31 Jul 07 - 04:00 PM Make voting compulsory, it is not right that we are governed by a party elected by less than 24% of the electorate, it's not representative. Giok |
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Subject: RE: BS: Has anyone noticed....UK From: Blindlemonsteve Date: 31 Jul 07 - 03:52 PM Why is it that people with a liberal stance will always want to understand why people murder, rape or violate another human being in some way, always stand up for the rights of the minority, but seem to find it hard to accept that people have genuine centre right feelings, you seem to find it hard to find a coherent argument as to why someone shouldnt say a perfectly legitimate line like "if you want change then vote for it" so just label them as tossers. Just because you have an issue with immigration, it doesnt make you a Nazi, i personally feel that Britain does have immigration issues, these are purely because its such a small island, you cant put a litre into a pint glass, this is not aimed at anyone in particular, it is just fact, the crap government that Britain has had to endure over the last ten years has created a wooly liberal under current that just condems anyone who dare speak against the wishy washy policy making that has become the norm in Westminster. I dont think for a minute that the BNP are the way forward, and i condemn them with all my heart and soul, but with such a weak government and such a bizzare tabloid press that see fit to spill utter garbage about welfare benefits etc etc without stating the fact that Poland and other Eastern European countries are part of the E.U and just look to sensationalise to the working classes and seem to fuel the rise of the BNP. i think that the only way forward is to vote for change,,,, but who on earth do we vote for. I only wish there was still a system where the conservatives were conservative and the labour party were socialist and the Liberals were what ever they wanted to be, because it doesnt matter. I think we need a none of the above box which would register a vote for all main parties, then they would have to work together, they would surely do anything to avoid that, and perhaps get some policies that people might actually want to vote for. But hey, what do i care, i live in Spain, i have taken advantage of the E.U. Thats my rant over, i will retire to a glass of Spanish Red. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Has anyone noticed....UK From: Peter K (Fionn) Date: 31 Jul 07 - 12:54 PM "Might it be that the government want (to).... only keep the brainy brits here?" If so,they're not succeeding James, or you wouldn't be here. Gnu, before you ask anyone to say "government sponsorship" you should learn to spell it. I can't decide whether to accept your invitation to call you racist. You would help me resolve it if you dared to confess what dreadful word is hiding behind your asterisks. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Has anyone noticed....UK From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 31 Jul 07 - 12:24 PM "...a mild rap on the knickles..." - and they probably rather enjoy that. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Has anyone noticed....UK From: GUEST,PMB Date: 31 Jul 07 - 12:14 PM Why is it that the BNP are treated with kid gloves? When they spread their vile race- hate, they are hardly ever prosecuted; when they are the case is presented so weakly that they are usually acquitted; and when they are not, they are given a mild rap on the knickles and told not to be naughty again. One bloke was stockpiling explosives and all he gets is a few months. Compare that with those silly (but Asian) schoolboys who were playing at Islamic revolutionaries, and they went down for 6 years merely for conspiracy- note that they never had anything more lethal than computer files and papers. |
