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Subject: BS: Dog Wanted...But What Breed???...
From: Bobert
Date: 01 Aug 07 - 09:26 PM

Okay, I knew the day would come where the groundhogs, deer, bear and other assorted and sundry varments would overcome the P-Vine in her quest to maintain the size gardens she has on our farm here which backs up to the Shenandaoh Nation Park where hunting is forbiddne...

So, it's time to get "The Dog"...

NOw I've always had dogs and prefer a shepard/lab mix but...

...this ain;t about me...

Now, we have 4 cats so I don't think we need a trained hunting dog but we need a dog, ven if it means gettin' a puppy and trainin' it to chase away varment and not cats...

Any ideas??? Experiences??? Expertise???

Thanks you in advance for any thought you might have unless yer thoughts are, ahhhhhhh, out of the park...

Bobert


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Subject: RE: BS: Dog Wanted...But What Breed???...
From: Sorcha
Date: 01 Aug 07 - 09:40 PM

How much grooming do you want to do?
Do you want a 'herding' dog or a 'working' dog?
How much 'adoration' do you need? Or the PVine?
Aloof, cuddly, Strange Human friendly?
How much money do you want to spend?
How much barking will you allow?
Do you want it to bark to scare off things?
Chase them off? Attack them?
Inside dog? Outside? In/Out?

I'm thinking probably a Working Dog, or working dog mix. See AKC Working Breeds for a general idea of them all.

If you are lucky you can find some suitable mix at a shelter nearby.
Please! Spay or neuter!


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Subject: RE: BS: Dog Wanted...But What Breed???...
From: GUEST,dogman
Date: 01 Aug 07 - 09:47 PM

http://www.lakelandhuntingpoodles.com/


grrrrrrr....


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Subject: RE: BS: Dog Wanted...But What Breed???...
From: pdq
Date: 01 Aug 07 - 10:01 PM

The full-sized poodle and the airdale are the most likely to turn on their owners or family members. Avoid them.

The Labrador retriever can't be beat as an all-around pet. Companionship, intelligence and trainablilty. Also, they tend to stay mentally sharp as they get old, unlike the Irish setter and a few other unstable breeds.

Black or golden, pick one.

(good for taking-down them varmints,too)


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Subject: RE: BS: Dog Wanted...But What Breed???...
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 01 Aug 07 - 10:02 PM

Underdog


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Subject: RE: BS: Dog Wanted...But What Breed???...
From: Ebbie
Date: 01 Aug 07 - 11:07 PM

I would be haunting the humane society shelters. If I were looking for a particular breed or mix I'd probably go for a border collie type. They are brainy, think for themselves, figure out very quickly what it is you want from them.

pdq, I disagree strongly with your depiction of the standard poodle or the airedale, for that matter. In my experience of poodles, they are bright, strong and indefatigible.

I've never had an airedale but my brother has had two of them, both of them more aloof than the poodle but alert and willing. I have never known either of those standards to bite. My miniature poodle, however, attacked the boot of a friend of my sister's when he pretended to step on my sister's foot.

If you want a dog,Bobert, that LOVES to chase without being expected to bring it back, you can't beat a terrier!


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Subject: RE: BS: Dog Wanted...But What Breed???...
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 01 Aug 07 - 11:21 PM

Get a pit bull. They are smart, faithful, funny, strong, and they will take out those gophers if you let them. They get a bad rap for being mean or contrary--for decades they were the standard family dog. You simply have to understand that you are the alpha dog--if you understand it, your dog (of whatever breed) will understand it. You may need to get a young dog of whatever breed to raise it around the cats. My dogs live outside and the cats live inside because we haven't managed to convince the dogs to leave the cats alone. (My second dog is a blue heeler/catahoula mix. A herder, a sweetheart, and an annoyingly hyper pooch).

SRS


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Subject: RE: BS: Dog Wanted...But What Breed???...
From: SINSULL
Date: 01 Aug 07 - 11:25 PM

A lab especially if you want a dog to get along with the kitties.


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Subject: RE: BS: Dog Wanted...But What Breed???...
From: SharonA
Date: 01 Aug 07 - 11:42 PM

Bobert, what size are these gardens that the dog is supposed to patrol?


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Subject: RE: BS: Dog Wanted...But What Breed???...
From: mrdux
Date: 02 Aug 07 - 12:08 AM

I would be haunting the humane society shelters.

I'll second that. All of the dogs I've ever lived with, including both of our current dogs, have been rescues from the humane society. I think a working dog mix might be a good choice. At our house, Sage is a blue heeler mix and Iris is a lab/border collie, and both do a fine job of keeping the varmints out of the garden. They're both smart -- although Iris has a silly streak -- good with people, cautious with strangers and they're great house dogs, too.

michael


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Subject: RE: BS: Dog Wanted...But What Breed???...
From: TRUBRIT
Date: 02 Aug 07 - 12:09 AM

A bull mastiff -- we have one and she is the best dog in the world -- and would probably hunt if bribed appropriately......!


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Subject: RE: BS: Dog Wanted...But What Breed???...
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 02 Aug 07 - 12:49 AM

Get one that was raised as a pup with other animals and you'll probably have no trouble with the cats.

I'd go for the labrador too, it sounds as if you have space enough for it to run. I'm guessing you only want it to scare other animals away, not actually run after them and eat them.... cos if that's what you want, get a mountain lion!

LTS


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Subject: RE: BS: Dog Wanted...But What Breed???...
From: Helen
Date: 02 Aug 07 - 12:53 AM

I did a quick Google for

choose dog breed

and this is the first quiz I found. I know there are more. It helps you to think of the factors, even if you don't like the outcomes of the quiz.

Selectadog online quiz

Helen


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Subject: RE: BS: Dog Wanted...But What Breed???...
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 02 Aug 07 - 01:43 AM

I've had several dogs over the years, with all but one being "pound dogs." While all were a joy to have, the one "breed" was by far the most affectionate, intelligent, and best all-around member of the family. Without outdoor space for a large breed, he was a miniature - POODLE.

I did have the opportunity to observe him and three litter mates several times before selecting him, and none of the others - in my estimation - would have been nearly the great friend he turned out to be, so I must suggest that just picking a breed is not a guarantee of great success. You can use the breeding as a starting point, but you're picking ONE DOG and you need to find the one unique individual that fits you.

Picking by breed alone is like:

"I wanna get married."

"Whatcha want?"

"I think I'd like a girl."

It's a starting point, but a little additional selection is needed - usually.

John


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Subject: RE: BS: Dog Wanted...But What Breed???...
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 02 Aug 07 - 08:59 AM

A watchdog?
A hotdog?


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Subject: RE: BS: Dog Wanted...But What Breed???...
From: GUEST,Bruce Michael Baillie
Date: 02 Aug 07 - 09:10 AM

...Get thissen a Yorkshire Terrier (Terrorist)lovable little buggers,feisty and energetic, noisy guard dogs (they won't let anybody in the house without dangling off their trouser legs first!)
small enough carry around if you need to,don't do masses of excrement that take a snow shovel to pick up on walks, AND, they don't shed hair all over the place and make your front room look like the underside of a barbers chair!


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Subject: RE: BS: Dog Wanted...But What Breed???...
From: Grab
Date: 02 Aug 07 - 09:36 AM

Yep, Bruce. And best of all, if it causes problems (as yappy little dogs are wont to do), the rat-on-a-rope can easily be punted the width of the road by the person it attacks...

I'm not a fan of small dogs. The only small dogs I've met that weren't aggressive have all been over 15 years old.

Graham.


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Subject: RE: BS: Dog Wanted...But What Breed???...
From: Big Mick
Date: 02 Aug 07 - 09:50 AM

If anyone had ever told me that I would have a dog that had "oodle" anywhere in its name, I would have told them they were crazy. I have been a beagle and labrador guy my whole life. But low and behold I end up with Riley, the Labradoodle. He is athletic, has an incredible nose, at 9 months he weighs 68 lbs, and does a very commendable job at varmint chasing. He is a lover, at times the dumbass thinks he is a lapdog, but I can't recall an animal that I have loved more.

You might consider one of these, buddy.

Mick


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Subject: RE: BS: Dog Wanted...But What Breed???...
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 02 Aug 07 - 09:54 AM

Well, Bobert, as you might have expected, we're telling you about the dogs we own and love. Mine have a smallish amount of acreage they "manage" but your area is much larger. You might expand a little on what it is you're looking for in a pooch and move to the next stage of the discussion.

SRS


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Subject: RE: BS: Dog Wanted...But What Breed???...
From: Bert
Date: 02 Aug 07 - 09:59 AM

We were looking for a dog a while back and did some research on the web for the best pet.

It turned up two we'd never heard of a Belgian Turvuren and a Burgermeister.


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Subject: RE: BS: Dog Wanted...But What Breed???...
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 02 Aug 07 - 10:00 AM

Hangdog?
(Sorry, I'm in a facetious mood...)


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Subject: RE: BS: Dog Wanted...But What Breed???...
From: Bee
Date: 02 Aug 07 - 10:10 AM

Get yourself a mutt with a little Border Collie or Rough Collie, a little bit of Newfoundland, a little bit of Lab, a little bit of Golden Retriever, a bit of Shepherd, a bit of Hound - in other words, a local farm doggie, big enough to do the required job, sweet tempered enough to have been made pets of for doggie generations.

At least, that certainly worked for us.


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Subject: RE: BS: Dog Wanted...But What Breed???...
From: bobad
Date: 02 Aug 07 - 10:27 AM

We have a border collie/rough collie mix and he is a great dog, easily trainable and focused on making sure no unwanted four legged guests invade his space. We had a purebred border collie previously who, having come from a working lineage, was almost neurotically enslaved to his herding instinct. If you don't have sheep or anything else that needs herding and are considering a border collie, I would recommend that you get one that comes from pet stock.


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Subject: RE: BS: Dog Wanted...But What Breed???...
From: Midchuck
Date: 02 Aug 07 - 10:31 AM

Get another cat.

Don't thank me; glad to help.

Peter


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Subject: RE: BS: Dog Wanted...But What Breed???...
From: SharonA
Date: 02 Aug 07 - 11:18 AM

Midchuck may have a point. A big female Maine Coon could chase plenty of varmints away -- possibly even the deer! Depends on whether you want an animal who will come when you call...


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Subject: RE: BS: Dog Wanted...But What Breed???...
From: katlaughing
Date: 02 Aug 07 - 11:36 AM

Our McNab border collie is quite protective without going over the top with anyone we approve and he chases, when I let him, the neighbour's cats but not his own. I have had to be top dog with him about that when he first came into our home, but that was years ago and the cats have been lovin' up to him ever since. Now, if they were outside cats it might be a different story. So, with a herding dog I would definitely get a puppy to be raised with the cats, as others have recommended. He is by far the smartest, least demanding, amiable, quiet and sensible as well as fiercely loyal dog we've ever had. When it comes time for us to have another we have decided it will have to be another McNab.


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Subject: RE: BS: Dog Wanted...But What Breed???...
From: Bee
Date: 02 Aug 07 - 02:22 PM

I have seen a purebred Border Collie driven to chasing its own tail after a bout of trying to herd the barn cats.


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Subject: RE: BS: Dog Wanted...But What Breed???...
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 02 Aug 07 - 02:26 PM

A three legged one of course!!!


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Subject: RE: BS: Dog Wanted...But What Breed???...
From: katlaughing
Date: 02 Aug 07 - 02:27 PM

LOL, Bee. What a sight that would be. Fortunately the McNab technically is not a border collie and can live without a specific job other than as a canine adjunct of Messrs. Fielding, Patterson and Swan-Layabouts At Large, here at the Mudcat.My Merlee is perfectly content not herding anything.:-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Dog Wanted...But What Breed???...
From: Llanfair
Date: 02 Aug 07 - 03:54 PM

Coupla things;
Border collies are way up there at the top of the intelligence scale, and poodles are second!!

I've got 3 dogs. Monty, the rescue border collie, bright, bilingual, chases cars, is an affection junkie, and never bothers to round anything up. Likes cats and doesn't chase them. Willow, the labrador/huntaway cross, who we've had from a pup. Intelligent, affection junkie, teenage mother (naughty Monty!), doesn't chase cats, thinks she's a princess, and Spike , who looks exactly like one of those Mcnab collies, and is Monty and Willow's pup, now aged two.

What you need, Bobert, is a little pack like this. They bark at anything that comes onto their property, their only interest in cats is to eat their food, and they anticipate your every move.....that's the collie blood.

They will see off any unwelcome wildlife, without aggression, and be your friends, too.


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Subject: RE: BS: Dog Wanted...But What Breed???...
From: Becca72
Date: 02 Aug 07 - 03:58 PM

I agree about the Maine Coon cat! My father and his 2nd wife had one and that little bastard would hide under furniture and things and attack when you walked by...no matter how you tried you couldn't dislodge him from your ankles!


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Subject: RE: BS: Dog Wanted...But What Breed???...
From: Ebbie
Date: 02 Aug 07 - 04:21 PM

The miniature poodle that I had for 13 years - it's been more than 30 years ago and I still miss her! - was the most people-oriented dog I've ever known. Even my mother talked to her as though she expected a verbal answer.


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Subject: RE: BS: Dog Wanted...But What Breed???...
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 02 Aug 07 - 04:26 PM

If you want the dog to keep things out, do not rely on anything too small (with one exception, see below).

Anything with Border Collie in more than about 50% will require keeping busy. They do not do "bored" at all well - unless you like furniture eaten, gardens dug, pine cones plucked off trees, etc. They will go over a 6 foot fence and through a two foot thick box hedge, and come back if at all covered with green slime from ditches, not to mention foxshit, and with nasty wounds from swan beaks. Unless trained out of it early, they will bark (endlessly) at everything, try to herd pigeons, are not good with any cloven-hoofed animal unless (again) trained. They are 100% obsessive and will try to chase moving spots of light from reflections off watch-glasses, and indeed try to dig them out of the carpet too. Wonder how I know this?

But with work they are the most trainable dog of any - by a street. They win virtually all the obedience contests, the agility contests, the flyball contests - so much so that most contests now have an "ABC" class - any breed but collie (which means border collie in context). My brother in law used to earn a fair bit with his doing TV commercials: the one about trailer safety with the trailer and dog overtaking the land-rover is his (late) dog.

ONLY get anything with a sizeable share of border collie if you are prepared to occupy it and train it. Also make sure it's been hip scored.

ONLY get a guarding breed if you are prepared to train it - Mastiff of any kind including Bull Mastiff, GSD, Bouvier des Flandres, Giant Schnauzer, even the soppy-looking Great Dane - dangerous if untrained. Rottweiler (aka vile rotter) and Doberman likewise only more so, and less predictable. If you want a Dane, avoid the giant Harlequin ones, they are the least predictable. GSDs are a vet's bill on legs (anal glands impacted by those heavy tails, hips that stop working when they get to about 7, the curved spine bred in for showing since about the 1930s, ear mites, mange, etc etc)

Likewise hunter-killers like the Rhodesian Ridgeback can be dangerous.

Dogs bred predominantly for killing other dogs (Staff, Pit Bull, Tozer, Akita) are likely to kill other things too if not CONSTANTLY supervised.

HPR breeds (GSP, GWP, Spinone, Vizla, Weimaraner, Braque, Pointer) are not a bad bet. A leg at each corner so not usually a vet's bill on legs, large enough to deter, some sort-haired enough not to fill the hoover every day, and not TOO unpredictable (beware the Weimaraner, the breeding to keep those lovely blue eyes gets a bit like Nefertiti at times). There is a fashion for black pointers. Avoid them. Too much inbreeding, and many of them are descended from Baradack Black Knight who was a bad tempered dog at the best of times. Beware of entropion in pointers (and any other breed with too much "work in its face, particularly the chinese prunes)

Labs and lab variants are usually good tempered (not the black ones with a high tail carriage) but will eat anything available, from unattended dinners to gooseberries and festering pigeon corpses. I know of one that had to be put down after eating a disposable nappy (used) which expanded inoperably in its stomach. Flat coats are not bad. Irish Water Spaniel a possibility. Setters have no brains and bad hips, particularly the red setters. Labs have hip problems. Make sure both parents were hip scored and scored well.

Great Munsterlanders are usually sound.

Almost all the giant breeds (St Bernard, Newfoundland, Bernese Oberland, etc) have medical problems.

Spaniels get ear troubles.

Otterhounds are so stupid they need help to wag their tails.

Pensioned off-greyhounds will catch and kill cats.

Boxers and bulldogs are also both vets bills on legs.

English Bull Terrier is often dangerous.

Small dogs are, well, small. The only one that is at all up to the task of seeing off intruders is the Jack Russell (and its variant, the Parson Jack Russell). Many however have been crossed with Staff or Pit Bull to make pocket battleships for dustbin fighting (two dogs into dustbin, sit on lid until quiet, survivor wins) prevalent in some travelling communities. These will have joint problems in two forms. Their own joints are too small for the barrel-shaped body and they will put their knees out when jumping. They will also amputate offered fingers at any joint they can reach.

Safest bet is probably a well-scored lab.


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From: Richard Bridge
Date: 02 Aug 07 - 04:27 PM

Also Dalmation usually safe, but they stay as mad as a hatter until 4 and need a lot of exercise - bred as a carriage dog.


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From: katlaughing
Date: 02 Aug 07 - 04:34 PM

Lot of generalisations in there Richard!


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From: gnu
Date: 02 Aug 07 - 04:43 PM

"...groundhogs, deer, bear and other assorted and sundry varments..."

Irish Wolfhound. Hey, ya might need a 12 guage someday, Bobert... nudge nudge, wink wink.


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Subject: RE: BS: Dog Wanted...But What Breed???...
From: Ebbie
Date: 02 Aug 07 - 04:45 PM

Richard Bridge, unless you operate a puppy mill - which would bring in a different subject altogether - I can't imagine how you expect us to accept as valid your wide-ranging opinions. Some of your conclusions seem grounded in reality, some of them are not.

Bobert, according to Richard, your best bet might be to breed a human kid for the job.


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From: Sorcha
Date: 02 Aug 07 - 04:51 PM

Actually, most are accurate. I posted this once before but it got eaten by the Post Monster.

Thank you Richard!!! LOL, but it's all true. And the Dalmations....jack of all trades, master of none.

I might also reccomend a Border Terrier under the right circumstances.

(but I just can't handle Labs.....too adoring....iloveyouiloveyouiloveyou....etc....)

A quick search for How many dogs to change a light bulb (on the net) really will offer some insights to strong breed characteristics.
It's funny but true.


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Subject: RE: BS: Dog Wanted...But What Breed???...
From: Joe Offer
Date: 02 Aug 07 - 05:08 PM

I fought him off for a year and a half, but my stepson really wanted a Shih-Tzu. I was afraid said stepson would dominate the family with a spoiled show dog, and I wanted nothing to do with that. After heavy lobbying, I finally gave in. We met with the breeder, and I saw how well two of them acted together; so I got one for myself because I figured if we had two, they would be more likely to act like real dogs. I named mine Ralph, after Jackie Gleason's Ralph Kramden character. Sure enough, Ralph fits his name. My 18-yr-old stepson does spoil his dog Harry and drives me crazy when he talks baby talk to it, but both does have turned out to be splendid, 20-pound pets.
I wondered how these little dogs would survive here in the Sierra Foothills, and they do quite well - they have to be on leashes, but they love to hike.
-Joe-


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Subject: RE: BS: Dog Wanted...But What Breed???...
From: GUEST,Texas Guest
Date: 02 Aug 07 - 05:10 PM

My wife and I have a Golden Retriever and we'll swear by them. My (then new) wife was a bit unsure about a big dog when I first brought Murphy home about four years ago - now she wants to get another. Oh, yes, we also have the world's finest cat - Little Bit - and, although she hissed and spat for about three weeks when Murphy first came home, they soon became best of friends - Murphy even lets her eat from his bowl while he's eating. Oh, yes, he chases the squirrels out of the yard - BIG TIME; a nice thing when you've got
three pecan trees out back.

In my book Goldens are the best, but they do shed quite a bit and the long-haired ones are not exactly low maintenance. If you like the Goldens but don't care for the brushing, etc., consider a
Labrador Retriever - chocolate, black or yellow - you can't lose.

In closing, we recently contacted a Golden Retriever Rescue group here in North Texas and our next critter is coming from them. Please consider a "rescued dog." Murphy was not a rescue dog but he was two-years old when we got him from someone who didn't want a dog anymore - and he's THE BEST. He came housebroked and trained to obey sit, stay, shake, etc., he goes out without a leash and does not run off and he's especially loving and caring. Many rescue dogs are in the same boat as Murph was - please give rescues a look.
Good luck. Cheers.


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Subject: RE: BS: Dog Wanted...But What Breed???...
From: Ebbie
Date: 02 Aug 07 - 05:24 PM

Richard Bridge, my apologies. You, of course, have a right to your own opinions and beliefs and I didn't need to be snippy.


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From: Richard Bridge
Date: 02 Aug 07 - 05:32 PM

Shitty Sues - one end bites and the other is worse (and they are indistinguishable until they do)! The bitches also establish a pee-patch and will go nowhere else. Some friends of mine moved and in the confusion forgot to take the bitch out. It went on the bathroom mat. Three houses later, it still went on the same bathroom mat. You could lock it out until it had to do a handstand to come in with its back legs crossed, and it would still go and flood the bathroom mat. About my least favourite breed.

Yes, Goldie not a bad bet.

Tervuerens and Lackenois also have hip problems.

I like Pointers as well as anything, if you can put up with the need for 2 hours free running a day. GSP often more intelligent. But you can get an iffy Pointer too. My little Puff (OK, Germal Puff'n'Stuff if you want the full name) (smallish, well within breed standard liver and white) was very intelligent for a Pointer but hell with other dogs. She got jumped by a Staff at her first show, and never really got over it. Psycho. No warning - bang - other dog with bit missing off nose, then yelp for the pack to rescue her, which her parents Cassie (Hurwyn Calypso at Lokmadi) and Axel (Lokmadi Highspot) usually did.


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From: gnu
Date: 02 Aug 07 - 05:37 PM

Um... take that mat outside?


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From: Bobert
Date: 02 Aug 07 - 05:47 PM

Whew... Lotta readin' and stuff to think about...

Our last dog was a border collie... Nasty little sumabitch... All it had to do was imagine it heard thunder and it went into freak mode... Eat furniture... Tore up carpets... I put it in the basmement and it literially scratched the door molding down to the 2x4 under it...

So no border collie...

And yes... We have alot of gardens and acreage for a dog to roam... 17 acreas with at least 3 acreas that are either the P-Vine's ornimental gardens with lots of paths and nice plantings or our veggie garden... That's alot of tastey stuff for deer and g-hogs... The veggie garden is just g-hog accesible as I have an 8 ft deer mesh fence around it... So the deer go off and sample the P-Vine's gardens... BTW, she does use Liquid Fence but still some stuff gets samples...

I personally like labs... But I've never known one that will chase a deer... Chase a favorite rock??? Yeah...

My brother had a black lab that had a favorite rock on my brother;s farm of thousands of rocks... But this dog (Lucky) knew his favorite rock... He lived to be about 12 years old and carried that rock around with him everywhere he went... You could take and heave the rock a 100 feet out into a grassy field filled with millions of other ocks but he'd find "his" rock... Never went to sleep at night without "his" rock by his side... In the winter, he'd bring it in the house... True story...

Yeah, I think the pound maybe the answer...

Bobert


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Subject: RE: BS: Dog Wanted...But What Breed???...
From: gnu
Date: 02 Aug 07 - 06:16 PM

The pound is definitely the way to go.... IF you know dogs. If you do not know dogs, stay away. I have first hand knowledge... seriously. I know of a half dozen instances, two with the same couple, very good friends, where going to the pound was a big mistake.

Now, I also blame the people at the pound. There are some dogs that are at the pound for a very good reason. Yes, I do know that the good volunteers at the pound can't make the "decision", but, sometimes, I think they should.

I'll take off before I upset too many people. But, unless you know dogs and are willing to take a chance, stay away from the pound.


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Subject: RE: BS: Dog Wanted...But What Breed???...
From: Dave Swan
Date: 02 Aug 07 - 06:24 PM

O.K. I'll risk getting into this one. As others have said, individual responses are based on individual human/dog relationships. I had a Dalmation who was great at obedience and would fetch all day long. I've know others who could only run. I had a lab who didn't give a damn about fetching. The retriever bit was lost on him. One bloodhound slobbered and tracked as if she were possessed, another was dry mouthed and couldn't find his food dish. So....it's about the realtionship of the human(s) and the dog(s). At this point, I'm all for hybrid vigor, dogs over 50 pounds, and temperament testing. Talk to an animal behaviorist. Many humane societies have them on staff. And remember, if going for a rescued dog, it's a good idea to find one who's been fostered for a time, then evaluated. The freaked-out dog you see in a shelter (often appearing to be calm due to fear) is not the dog you'll see after s/he's been home for 72 hours.

D


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Subject: RE: BS: Dog Wanted...But What Breed???...
From: MaineDog
Date: 02 Aug 07 - 06:28 PM

The canine MaineDog is 3/4 lab and 1/4 German shepherd. He has the ears and nose of the Shepherd, and also he is very smart. He is bigger than most labs, yet swims forever. I sometimes deny his papers and report that his daddy was a horse and his mommy was a seal (see member photo).
He is too friendly, not a particularly good watch dog. He loves children and is gentle and tolerant with them. I don't think he would harm a cat, but he would bark and chase and scare one away. He is quite trainable, and has earned his Canine Good Citizenship dogtag.
MD


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Subject: RE: BS: Dog Wanted...But What Breed???...
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 02 Aug 07 - 10:04 PM

Bobert, I believe you ought to re-think this whole dog idea. The animals that are getting the vegetables are ready to invade the garden 24/7. You can't keep a dog out there that long. Dogs are pack animals. A dog that's put in solitary can go crazy, the same way a human would. And until it does, it will drive everybody nuts with its incessant barking.

Also, it's surprising how much it costs to keep a pet healthy and enjoyable.

I don't know what the answer is, but I don't believe a dog is the solution - not if you live next to a big park.


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From: Sorcha
Date: 02 Aug 07 - 10:31 PM

Aw, Bobert does need a dog. So does the P Vine. Dog won't have to be On Duty 24/7....but it might choose to. I for one do trust Bobert's instincts at the shelter/pound.

And, pssst, Bob...not all Border Collies are that demented. They just have to have a Job. If you don't provide one, they will find one and you probably won't like it. Mentioned above....Border Collie from 'pet stock'. Ha. Ha. Ha. IS no such thing. There ARE psychotic BC's....lots of them. Pets with NO job except tearing things up.

Please, please, please, don't get a Border for 'just a pet'. If I can't convince you, perhaps the author Donald McCaig can. Read 'Nops Trials' and 'Nops Hope'.

And, IMO, 'most' Labs are too friendly. Part of my problem with them.


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Subject: RE: BS: Dog Wanted...But What Breed???...
From: Bee
Date: 02 Aug 07 - 11:03 PM

A good dog will smell and hear invaders (like sneaky night-time garden raidin' deer... oh, and skunks, so sniff out the door first before engaging dog) from inside the house, and will tell you about it, at which point you can let loose the dog of war or hie out there yerself, popgun in hand.

Purebred Labs confuse me. When I was a kid long ago, Labs were tall huge black dogs with long legs. All the Labs I see now seem to be short-leggedy critters with barrels for bodies.

If you were in Nova Scotia, I'd recommend a Nova Scotia Duck Toller, lovely medium size quiet dogs. They like a good long hike, but they'd just as soon lie on the front step looking unpredictable - it's their eyebrows, I think.


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From: katlaughing
Date: 03 Aug 07 - 01:05 AM

Bee, I just met one of them! Lady here in town has an old one who goes to her shop with her everyday. Neat dog.

Bobert, McNabs do NOT have the less desirable border collie traits and technically they are not border collies. My Merls is ready to go at the drop of a hat, BUT he will also lie around the house, quietly all day unless a stranger comes to the door or in the yard. Things we love about him is his medium size, his quietness, his high intelligence (only have to show him ONCE what a command means and he's got it, and his loyalty. He will even stop in mid-pee if we call him. (No, we don't so that to him all the time!**bg**) He also will NOT bark when all of the neighbour dogs are going ape; in fact he is a bit disdainful about them..as HE is too intelligent to bark for no reason, doncha know?:-)He also will not leave our side unless given permission.

Dave Swan's right...it comes down to the relationship a dog has with humans which will determine how the act. We got a pound mix, a half-Dobie, half-Shepherd who was a big galoot. All the kids loved him dearly, but he would run around all over if he got loose. We still loved him, though, and he sang and could say, "I WUFF OOO." He did that to us every time we left him behind and closed the door!

Good luck,

kat


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Subject: RE: BS: Dog Wanted...But What Breed???...
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 03 Aug 07 - 02:55 AM

A couple of German Shorthaired Pointers might fit the bill. If you train them you can take them hunting and shooting too.


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From: mandotim
Date: 03 Aug 07 - 06:56 AM

I have a Jack Russell. Friendly with people and other dogs (as long as they accept that he is top dog), brave, intelligent and agile. Makes a noise when strange people/animals are about, but not otherwise. If you are a furry animal of whatever size, and you're not supposed to be there, he is your worst nightmare. He's a small dog, but he doesn't know that, and his sheer attitude is enough to deter most things. He chased an adult fox for half a mile the other day, and rabbits, rats and squirrels are mostly doomed if he sees/smells them. I got him as a puppy, and he curls up to sleep with my three cats at night (the cats having established the pecking order very early on). Like Border Collies, they need a job. Olly (my dog) feels his job is 'assassin'. Throw something and say 'fetch', and he looks disdainfully as if to say 'do I LOOK like a retriever???' He has staff to fetch things; we are currently fostering a labrador, and he brings the bodies back.(for Bee; he is a huge, slim, leggy dog from a long line of working, not show dogs).
Good luck with the search, Bobert.
Tim


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Subject: RE: BS: Dog Wanted...But What Breed???...
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 03 Aug 07 - 07:09 AM

A Staffie. Simply The Best.


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From: kendall
Date: 03 Aug 07 - 07:21 AM

Labrador retriever. Hands down.


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Subject: RE: BS: Dog Wanted...But What Breed???...
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 03 Aug 07 - 08:47 AM

The pit bull terrier is a very smart dog and picks up on what you want her to do very quickly. Each time we go to the vet we wait in their dog waiting room, and when they call us to the back she automatically walks over and sits on the scale because she knows they're going to ask her to do it. If it's time to give the dogs a bath the blue heeler resists it but the pit rather enjoys the attention. She walks into the bathroom and hops into the bathtub. I suspect if you develop a taste for fried gopher she'll catch it and kill it and while she's at it she'll collect the cornmeal on the way to the stove and she'll pop this critter, already skinned and rolled in cornmeal, into the skillet for you.

SRS


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From: GUEST,Phot at work
Date: 03 Aug 07 - 09:08 AM

Try a Samoyed, only dog in the world with no scent! Even when wet!

Bread by the Laplanders for pulling sleds, and guarding children, they are very loyal, and affectionate, you can spin their fur into yarn to knit with, but they are a bit daft!

Wassail!! Chris.


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Subject: RE: BS: Dog Wanted...But What Breed???...
From: Peace
Date: 03 Aug 07 - 09:15 AM

Get a Sooner, Bobert.


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From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 03 Aug 07 - 09:55 AM

Sooner pee in the house as out. . .


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Subject: RE: BS: Dog Wanted...But What Breed???...
From: GUEST,Number 6
Date: 03 Aug 07 - 10:34 AM

"Pensioned off-greyhounds will catch and kill cats."

wrong ... we have 2 "pensioned off" greyhounds and 2 cats ... all get along well. Our greys have no issues even with cats on the street .... like many canine breeds, some greyhounds don't like cats and some do. Had a springer spaniel once that will kill any cat it saw if it had the opportunity.

Just thought I'd post and correct that myth about greyhounds.

biLL


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Subject: RE: BS: Dog Wanted...But What Breed???...
From: Donuel
Date: 03 Aug 07 - 10:37 AM

Romanian Foxhound : a cross between a Steve Martin and a Dan Akroyd.


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From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 03 Aug 07 - 10:46 AM

Does that mean they're wild and crazy guys?


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From: Peace
Date: 03 Aug 07 - 10:53 AM

Guy goes into a bar with his dog. Mangy, sway-backed ugly thing with a big head and swaying gait. He sdays that his dog could take any five dogs at the same time and win. They get about $8,000 in bets down. His dog ended up fighting a German Shepherd, Greyhound, Pit Bull, Malamute and Russian Wolfhound. Fifteen seconds and the fight was over. As the guy collected his cash, a patron of the bar inquired as to the dog's origins. Fellow said, "I don't know. My brother over in Africa sent him to me. I just shaved the hair off the end of its tail and around its neck."


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Subject: RE: BS: Dog Wanted...But What Breed???...
From: katlaughing
Date: 03 Aug 07 - 11:00 AM

We had a vet back East who had a retired greyhound, the plumpest one I've ever seen. That dog had the run of his stables, barn, yard, house, and clinic. He was a perfect gentleman with all other pets and never chased anyone and the cats, etc. were very affectionate to him.


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Subject: RE: BS: Dog Wanted...But What Breed???...
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 03 Aug 07 - 11:33 AM

Funnily enough 3 legged Bonzo (one at the front!) can run faster than most dogs that he meets. Now perhaps that maybe a slight giveaway!


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From: Wolfhound person
Date: 03 Aug 07 - 11:33 AM

With 17 acres, deer and bear, something that'll run & run while kicking up a racket (provided the neighbours'll stand for it) sounds like your best plan. Wild animals aren't stupid, they'll move on to the next lot if it's easier pickings.

Collies will herd anything - sheep, cats, kids, but they tend to bring the critters to you not send them away.

Droving dogs or anything big used as flock guard dogs in countries with wolves / bears (Pyrenean mountain dog, Leonberger, ??.....)might work, or a hefty hound (deerhound / wolfhound) or several. Hounds won't stop at your boundaries if they're on a scent, though.

Maybe you need a small pack - a tracking hounds with voice; a couple of killers - terriers or something. And then a retriever if you're up to dealing with bulk venison steaks on the hoof.

Hybrids sound good if you can spot the right mix in the pound. They're usually hardier than pedigree walking vet bills. Try a collie lab mix for soft mouthed retrieval of almost anything (I regularly get live hedgehogs from ours) and something big lollopy and noisy to run & run after things you don't want in the gardens.

I've an Irish wolfhound / Bearded collie which loves chasing things, is great with people and raises echoes down the street, but is soft enough to still be a companion. But they eat a lot (back to those bulk steaks maybe?) and you have to be prepared to be sat on by 50kg of enthusiastic doormat on strong springs. A pure bred male Irish wolfhound stands over a metre at the shoulder, can easily put its front legs round the neck of the average adult, and can weigh up to 90kg.

Good luck
Paws


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Subject: RE: BS: Dog Wanted...But What Breed???...
From: Riginslinger
Date: 03 Aug 07 - 11:42 AM

Chapman


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From: Cluin
Date: 03 Aug 07 - 01:48 PM

Get a mutt. Best all-around temperament.


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From: Cluin
Date: 03 Aug 07 - 01:52 PM

If you want the smaller varmints taken care of, make sure there's some terrier in the mix.

But it'll probably dig up the garden as well.


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Subject: RE: BS: Dog Wanted...But What Breed???...
From: Little Hawk
Date: 03 Aug 07 - 02:00 PM

How can anyone resist the sheer joy of owning a dachshund?

- It's constantly amusing just to look at them!

- Observe limitless greed in action, as he seeks death by overeating.

- Learn what stubborness really means.

- Watch his little eyebrow bumps bounce up and down as he worries and frets about who knows what? (they're very good worriers)

- Count the hours as he attempts to set a new sleep record.

- Discover that food can be stolen even from the most unlikely places by a truly enterprising animal with a lot of time on his paws.

- Be subjected to heartwrenching emotional blackmail as you carve the Christmas turkey.

- Be safe from unwanted canine sexual advances by simply going to the 2nd floor. (dachshunds with erections can't climb stairs)


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Subject: RE: BS: Dog Wanted...But What Breed???...
From: Helen
Date: 03 Aug 07 - 07:01 PM

Yes, but have you done the quiz yet, Bobert?

http://www.petnet.com.au/selectadog.asp

Helen


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Subject: RE: BS: Dog Wanted...But What Breed???...
From: Bobert
Date: 03 Aug 07 - 07:45 PM

Ahhhhhh, I personally haven't done the quiz yet, Helen as I've barely had time to drop in here in Mudville but the P-Vine has done the quiz and terrior is what the quiz says...

I don't know 'bout terriors... I ain't never had a terrior... I guess I need to take the quiz...

But, no matter, I like big ol' dumb German Sheppard/lab mixes but that 'cause I have had three of 'um and they were all wonderful dogs...

I'll go take the quiz now...

Bobert


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Subject: RE: BS: Dog Wanted...But What Breed???...
From: Peace
Date: 03 Aug 07 - 08:03 PM

Funny world.

Bobert, have the dog take the quiz.


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Subject: RE: BS: Dog Wanted...But What Breed???...
From: katlaughing
Date: 03 Aug 07 - 08:10 PM

We had a terrier mix when we were growing up. Best guard dog/kid dog I've ever known. Did run off a bit and would have driven mom nuts at home, so dad took him to the oilfields with him where he was a great hit chasing rabbits. He was mosly fox terrier. My dad had a jack russeel or as he called her "Jackie O" russell and she was loyal and all, but i found her too yappy. The stables where my dau. worked had a male JR and he was the cat's meow! Got along great with kids, snooty clients, cats, dog and the horses, was hell on paws for the rats. He was very proud of his ratcatching abilities and a great all round little dog. Terriers do NOT know they are small!


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Subject: RE: BS: Dog Wanted...But What Breed???...
From: Peace
Date: 03 Aug 07 - 08:12 PM

Bobert,

Ask the dog if it likes venison. That'll be yer main clue right off.


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From: Bobert
Date: 03 Aug 07 - 08:54 PM

LOL, Brucie...

I reckon any diog would like venison if they knew it was hidin' unner Bambi's fur... Problem is that dogs ain't that smart... Okay, maybe some has it figured out...

That stupid, neurotic border collie we had woulda eaten it's wieght in anything that weren't, ahhhhh, the cheapest dry food at the local Farm Fresh Discount Grocery but it was a lonely dog so rather that chase down a deer fir the snack, it became Bambi's frined??? Now what the heck is that all about??? Them deer and that border collie was pals... They'd play in the woods together all day while we was at work... Then we'd come home and tell the sumabitch to "Get the deer" and it would look at us as if we'd lost our minds???

NOw I've taken the quiz an' it says that I outta get a wimer-riner, which is butt ugle, or a sheppard or lab...

Duhhhhh???

Ain't that knida what I've always had??? Ain't that like what I originally said I'd like???

But now we have to take into consideration the results of the P-Vine's quiz which says terrior... I hate terriors... They ain't like real dogs that you can ride down to Luray with in the pickup truck... Shoot, they are so small that if you was riding thru town and talkin' to the sumabich folks would think you was just talkin' to yerself???

Now would you want fir folks to think that you are talkin' to yerself??? Well, don't study on that one too long... Heck no, you don't... That's a no-brainer...

No friggin' rat dog fir this ol hillbilly... I got my pride...

Bobert


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Subject: RE: BS: Dog Wanted...But What Breed???...
From: Peace
Date: 03 Aug 07 - 09:03 PM

Good on ya, Bobert. I had a dog like that once. She was smart about so many things, but I watched her defend a kitten from a tom cat who I think was intent on killing the kitten. She stood astride the kitten which was spitting and hissing and scratching at her--a situation she brought to a stop by placing her left front paw on the thing, and she stared off the tom cat. She was a Shepherd. I like Lab/Shepherd crosses. Get the right mix and they are gentle and intelligent. Get the wrong mix and they are gentle and intelligent.


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From: Bobert
Date: 03 Aug 07 - 09:30 PM

Well, gol danged, Brucie... That's why they call 'u dogs... All a dog wants to do is kick his _________ and then lick you on the face... They all the same so if ya' got a __________ lickin' sumabich then you outta at least be able to throw the thing in the pickup truck, head to town and not have to wear a danged bag over yer head...

That's what I say...

Terriors is fir BBQ'in'....

(Now, Bobert, that is a terrible thing to say... Hey, some folks love rat dogs...)

Okay, don't BBQ him then... Take the rat back to the pound...

(This gonna get you in some deep sh*t, Bobert...)

Heck, I've been there before so I know my way around... I jus' can't see me warmin' up to a small dog... That border collie was small and it jus' 'bout ate my house and every piece of furniture in it... The way I see it the smaller the dog the more neurotic... If I want neurosis, I'd go back into socail work...

All I want is a man's dog that will chase Bambi...

Is that askin' too mcuh???

Bobert


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From: Sorcha
Date: 03 Aug 07 - 09:42 PM

Nope. But not all the terrors are small. Airedales aren't very small (well, sorta medium) and the Scotties are hell on wheels.

I adore the Skye Terriers, but they do take a LOT of grooming. Look sort of like soft grey rag mops. No dreadlocks tho, just a soft fall.


(pssst, Border Collies aren't small at all. Bout knee high or so)


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From: Little Hawk
Date: 03 Aug 07 - 10:28 PM

Okay, I took the quiz...and sure enough, I came up with these dogs:

WHIPPET
BOSTON TERRIER
DACHSHUND (SMOOTH HAIRED)
JACK RUSSELL TERRIER

And below is a great link to the page about the dachshund. They describe him perfectly.

"Developed in Germany to deal with the local badger plague, the Dachshund is a low set, short legged, long bodied dog designed to go to ground and follow game into their burrows. Although the word Dachshund literally means "badger dog" in German, these lively little hounds were also used to hunt fox, otter, stoat, hare, in some instances wild boar, even trail wounded deer, as well as dispatching badgers! There are six varieties, identified by coat type and size (Smooth Haired, Long Haired, Wire Haired, each in Standard or Miniature size).

The Smooth Haired Dachshund is first and foremost a bold and determined sporting dog, although equally adaptable as a house pet. The most popular of all the six different varieties, the Standard Smooth is small enough to fit comfortably into any household, yet embodies many big dog qualities normally found only in much larger animals. Outdoors he is hardy, vigorous and tireless; indoors he is affectionate, companionable and entertaining but he prefers adult company to that of children.. However, like all Dachshunds, he should avoid rough games, jumping down from furniture or in and out of cars, for fear of possible back injuries. Long the butt of canine cartoonists, he tends to be a real character!

His sleek odourless coat, which is impervious to rain and mud, requires very little attention - a quick rub over with a piece of velvet and he shines like satin!"



Comes in two lovely colour schemes!


For me it would have to be either a dachshund or a Jack Russell Terrier. I'm very fond of both.


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From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 04 Aug 07 - 12:44 AM

Pit bull is a terrier (American Staffordshire Terrier). I wish I could find where all of my Yahoo photos went to (I moved them over to Flickr but I haven't gone in to set permissions and figure out the links). 55 pounds of smart muscular dog. Some are bigger, some are smaller.


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From: katlaughing
Date: 04 Aug 07 - 01:14 AM

Nanny Dizzy, the pit bull matriarch at my daughter's house is a real gem. The kids can do anything to her, she keeps the three boxers, all under a year old or just barely over it, in place AND will defend her territory under no uncertain terms. Get her inside, up on the couch and you'd better have the arm of the sofa to lean on or she'll push you off leaning against you in total bliss while you stroke her ears, back, head and belly. She's real softie.

Bobert, don't let Spaw hear you say that about Weimies! He has had them all of his life and swears by them, as does his Karen.


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From: SharonA
Date: 04 Aug 07 - 01:43 AM

I took the quiz, and one of the breeds suggested (and the one that looks most appealing to me)was the Cardigan Welsh Corgi. The Pembroke Welsh Corgi was also on the list, but I like the look of the Cardigans in the picture, and I like the fact that their tails are left undocked by the breeders, according to the website.

Not that I could get one right now in my present circumstances, but it's something to file away in the back of my brain, just in case. Does anyone out there know anything about these Cardigan Corgis? Are they good with cats?


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From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 04 Aug 07 - 01:51 AM

I don't know, but if you button one up in winter they'll keep you warm if the room is chilly. . . :)


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From: SharonA
Date: 04 Aug 07 - 01:59 AM

Sounds good to me, Maggie. Then all I'd need is an Afghan hound draped across my legs...


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From: JennyO
Date: 04 Aug 07 - 03:37 AM

I'm actually a cat person - I tend to like my animals fairly independent. I've never owned a dog, but I thought it might be interesting anyway to take the quiz and see what sort of dog, if any, would suit me. It came up with these:

    * CAVALIER KING CHARLES SPANIEL
    * WELSH CORGI (CARDIGAN)
    * AUSTRALIAN TERRIER
    * WELSH CORGI (PEMBROKE)

The spaniel and the terrier, although cute, look like they'd be more work grooming, but the corgis look interesting, particularly the last one, the Pembroke Welsh Corgi.

Not likely to happen though, because our yard would be hard to completely enclose, and we'd have to think about what to do when we go away to festivals. Not to mention how they would get along with the cats.

With the cats, I just get my son or a neighbour to come in and feed them when we are away, and they look after themselves pretty well, so I think we'll stick with them - and maybe get my tropical fish tank restocked again.


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From: JohnInKansas
Date: 04 Aug 07 - 08:06 AM

The livestock people around my vicinity and on westard have discovered a new breed that seems nearly perfect for keeping predators out of the herds and flocks. Vigilant, feisty, with natural instects for protections, and able to take on almost any varmint that comes along. Self-maintaining, requiring virtually no special care or even much training.

Those who've tried them say this is The Dog for You.

Can also be a Great Hunting Companion

John


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From: Becca72
Date: 04 Aug 07 - 11:00 AM

I lived next door to a place with a donkey...cute as all hell but the noise that comes out of those beasts is....unique...to say the least. Every evening he'd built up to a great ruckus that would go on for almost an hour.


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From: katlaughing
Date: 04 Aug 07 - 11:39 AM

THESE ONES sound even weirder than a donkey, but they ARE quite popular as guard animals out here and everyone says they work well, plus, imo, they bring a lot of style to the job.:-)


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From: Ebbie
Date: 04 Aug 07 - 12:12 PM

Llamas are popular in Oregon also. They are also just about the only animal I've seen that observe other animals around them.

Once I pulled over to the side of the road when I was passing a sheep pasture. Amongst the sheep were several llamas.

A crow flew overhead and one llama watched it until it went out of sight. The other llamas went on grazing. On further observation I decided they appoint/set a guard at all times.


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From: Little Hawk
Date: 04 Aug 07 - 01:18 PM

Wow! I never knew this stuff about llamas. They must be quite intelligent animals.


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From: Alice
Date: 04 Aug 07 - 01:20 PM

For your needs, I'd say get a Jack Russell.


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From: Little Hawk
Date: 04 Aug 07 - 01:39 PM

Yeah, like I said...a Jack Russell or a standard size smoothhair Dachshund suits me.


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From: Cluin
Date: 04 Aug 07 - 03:46 PM

I never met a dog I didn't like.


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From: Peace
Date: 04 Aug 07 - 05:14 PM

I'm with Cluin on that one.


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From: Little Hawk
Date: 04 Aug 07 - 05:18 PM

I've met dogs who didn't like me. I found it hard to like them.


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From: Cluin
Date: 04 Aug 07 - 05:49 PM

Dogs are pretty good judges of character (not a shot at you, LH).

Unless they've been driven insane by a bad owner.


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From: Helen
Date: 04 Aug 07 - 05:51 PM

If you want a breed to defend your property,
These are good

Helen

(who is wondering just how objective the ol' hillbilly is at filling in quizzes about choosing dogs)

:-)


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From: Cluin
Date: 04 Aug 07 - 06:59 PM

I took the quiz which returned the following breeds:
CAVALIER KING CHARLES SPANIEL
CAIRN TERRIER
COCKER SPANIEL
WEST HIGHLAND WHITE TERRIER

Already have a Cairn and a Westie. That's enough.


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From: Ebbie
Date: 04 Aug 07 - 07:11 PM

Cluin, you and I evidently filled in the same spots- that is the same answer I got. I have a Cairn, by the way.


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From: Alice
Date: 04 Aug 07 - 07:15 PM

There is a major llama breeding ranch here in Bozeman.
Could be your answer...


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From: Cluin
Date: 04 Aug 07 - 07:50 PM

Great little dogs, aren't they, Ebbie? All spirit.
The Cairn runs the house.
But the Westie sleeps on the bed (sometimes).


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From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 04 Aug 07 - 08:21 PM

A three-headed alsatian/cross St Bernard


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From: Riginslinger
Date: 04 Aug 07 - 09:19 PM

Duane "the dog" Chapman is getting out of jail in Mexico, maybe he could use a home.


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From: Little Hawk
Date: 04 Aug 07 - 09:52 PM

Does he come when you call? Will he shake hands, roll over, and play dead?

(I must admit I have not heard of Duane Chapman before...)


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From: Little Hawk
Date: 04 Aug 07 - 10:19 PM

How about one of these?

????


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From: katlaughing
Date: 04 Aug 07 - 10:46 PM

There are free llamas advertised here quite frequently. (How about a trip to Colorado, Bobert!) Backyard folks who find they don't have the room, the time, or attention to give to animals who are truly curious and sociable. Several places use them as pack animals in conjunction with guarding.


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From: Sorcha
Date: 04 Aug 07 - 10:55 PM

I finally have time to talk about Corgis. We have Pembrokes (no tail). We are on our 2nd pair, and the daughter has 2 also. Like other small breeds, don't tell them they are small.

All of ours have been wonderful with small children and cats. (We got our first as a recsue at age 7 and he was fine with the cats too) They SHED. Double coated, out coat is hard and nearly waterproof. Undercoat is soft fur. My only caveat for them is don't run from them as you WILL get chased and probably nipped. They are 'heeling' herders.

The Pems are fairly 'soft' dogs, and don't have 'the eye' that Border Collies do. They are pretty intelligent (not as smart as BCs), and are quite happy being pets as long as they get their cuddle time. Other than the shedding (no, I haven't tried a Furminator yet) they are ideal family dogs. Not terribly mouthy, but they will 'talk'. Strange noises, might be Welsh! LOL

The Cardigan is a solider bodied dog, heavier boned, and rounder ear tips. A truly magnificent tail! They are a 'harder' dog than the Pems, but still not truly hard. (A Briard is a 'hard' dog, so is a BC) Even the breeders of the Cardis around here will tell you that they are 'naughty'. In what way, I don't know as I've never owned one, but I'm guessing they can be pretty stubborn. They are not quite as happy being just pets as the Pems.


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From: Sorcha
Date: 05 Aug 07 - 12:38 AM

PS--it's pretty easy to let a Corgi get overweight. 25 to 28 pounds is optimum weight.

The link above to the Ugly Dog is a very very poorly bred Chinese Crested. Properly bred, they are darling tiny dogs. The hairless variety looks almost exactly like the My Little Pony toys that were popular several years ago. There is also a Powder Puff variety that has soft poofy hair all over. Fragile little things as are all the tiny dogs that have thin legs...Chiuahahas, Min Pins, Italian Greyhounds, etc.


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From: GUEST,ibo
Date: 05 Aug 07 - 09:10 AM

any toothless dog that has its arsehole sewn up would be advisable


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From: Cluin
Date: 05 Aug 07 - 02:22 PM

Cripes, what the hell do you want to do with it, ibo?


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From: Cluin
Date: 05 Aug 07 - 02:23 PM

On second thought, I don't wanna know.


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From: Bee
Date: 05 Aug 07 - 03:42 PM

I'm with Bobert on terriers, not just regarding size:

Knew a fella owned a purported champion stud Airdale, planned to make his fortune hiring it out. Lived in a rural, woodsy area.

I came across him at the village cafe one afternoon, he was ranting like a lunatic. Dog was with him, face all scabby. "I'm gitten a gun and shootin every damn porcupine on the gawwdam mountain! This is the FIFTH time I had to bring Big Expensive Canine to the vet to get quills out!!! *Rant, rave, threaten porky genocide*"

"Five times?" sez Bee.

"Yes, he's just healin' up and runs across another one. *Rant, spit, snarl*"

"You got a dog here that didn't figure out after the first four facefuls of quills not to stick his nose in a porcupine's hind end? Buddy me lad, my advice is, leave the porcupines alone and shoot the dog: it's too stupid to live."

He didn't agree, but I noticed he gave the dog away shortly after. I hope they had it neutered.


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From: Bobert
Date: 05 Aug 07 - 08:03 PM

Firat of all,Helen, I did take the quiz... And got a D-... But neverminbd my grade... I hadn't put in the book time so I reckon a D-ain't all that bad....

But, no geese and no Guinie hens either... Nasty critters... Plus, ya' can't throw 'um in the pickup truck on Saturday morning fir a ride to town...

And as fir llamas... Yeah, some folks 'round here have 'um to keep cayotes away from their other critters but the sumabichs is known to be right nasty and spit yucky stuff on their owners...

What me an' the P-Vine is gonna do is go up to Leesburg, Va. on Tuesday... There's a cool dog adoption place there where all the dogs get some obedience trainin'... (Yeah, the thought has crossed my mind that the P-Vine is gonna leave my poor ol' hillbilly butt there fir a couple weeks but....)... The folks up there seem to know aklot about dogs and their temerments and all that stuff and work real hard to get folks to adopt the "right" dog fir them... That's gonna be our next step...

Now these folks may say that there ain't a dog in the world that will fit both our ideas of a "good dog" and if so then maybe I'll reconsider the geese, 'er llamas...

But I ain't ready to throw in the towel...

Bobert


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From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 06 Aug 07 - 12:24 AM

I'm telling you, you're going to see those pit bull terriers and fall in love. . .


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From: GUEST,ibo
Date: 06 Aug 07 - 10:09 AM

i also forgot to mention that it should have its voice box removed. No arsehole,no teeth and no voice box.What will i do with it,well,i would have a pet that doesnt annoy anybody unlike that nasty shit machine that lives over the road


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From: Cluin
Date: 06 Aug 07 - 03:42 PM

You don't want a dog. You want a stuffed toy.


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From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 06 Aug 07 - 04:20 PM

Or a pet rock.


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From: Little Hawk
Date: 06 Aug 07 - 05:45 PM

ibo should be thrown to the dogs... ;-)


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From: Sorcha
Date: 06 Aug 07 - 08:58 PM

Yup. But, if you don't mind a bit of combing, look at Pembroke Corgis. They WILL bark at stuff on their property, and chase stuff off. Probably won't eat it tho.


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From: Bee
Date: 06 Aug 07 - 09:10 PM

Dunno about that, Sorcha: a Corgi tried very hard to eat me and my bicycle once. Fortunately I was still limber enough to stick my feet on the handlebars while freewheeling and screaming, so I escaped intact.


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From: Little Hawk
Date: 06 Aug 07 - 10:18 PM

Some dogs are sadistic about people on bikes. They know they have you at a disadvantage.


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From: Cluin
Date: 06 Aug 07 - 10:23 PM

They just hate it when us 2 legged pokey people can move faster than they can. That's why they chase cars too.


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From: Ella who is Sooze
Date: 07 Aug 07 - 07:34 AM

a Heinz 57 variety!


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From: Dave'sWife
Date: 07 Aug 07 - 08:34 AM

Bobert - whatever you decide please please please do not buy a puppy. If you want a purebred, you will be able to get one of virutally any breed by simply typing in the name of the breed and the word "RESCUE" into google. Some rescues for rare breeds will even drive a dog to you from hundreds of miles away if you cover the costs.

I am going to suggest a dog I have never owned but one that is good for the size of your land and one that was bred to hunt varmints in a smei-forested area - the Korean Jindo

Jindo dogs share a common ancestor with Japanese hunting dogs but are a nice size. They look a little like an artic fox with most of them being white, beige or blonde in colour. They have a high drive and would need to have room to roam and stuff to do. People who have them in cities often surrender them because they need a yard. They are good indoors but only if they have enough time outdoors. I think some of the over-cautioning about them is a bit extreme sinc ethey are really no more work than your avergae border collie. The difference with Jindoshowever, is they are very protective and do not do well with other dogs. They do well as only-dogs and they may chase cats. if the cats are smart, that won't be a problem.

Think about the Jindo.

I would warn you off Pit bulls, Bulldogs, mastiffs and other such breeds who do get a bad rap unfairly. Their reputation might cause your homeowner's insurance premiums to go up significantly. Talk to your carrier before settling on a breed and make sure they don't have a list of breeds they will not cover.


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From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 07 Aug 07 - 11:18 AM

Good advice! Rescue dogs are great pets, and adult dogs need good homes.


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From: GUEST,ibo
Date: 07 Aug 07 - 12:33 PM

ive got a pet rock,any ideas on breeding?


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From: Ebbie
Date: 07 Aug 07 - 12:38 PM

Rapped upside the head, jbo- works every time.

:)


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From: Cluin
Date: 07 Aug 07 - 03:54 PM

Put in in a rocky stream bed, ibo. and then go away for a while. They are very shy and won't breed while you're watching. Come back in a few days and there will be baby pet rocks scattered around.


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From: Sorcha
Date: 07 Aug 07 - 04:42 PM

Intersting breed, the Korean. I looked it up. Sounds like my kind of dog. (but Sorch, you have 4 Corgis and a Max....quite a great plenty!)


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From: Bobert
Date: 07 Aug 07 - 07:43 PM

Ummmm, first of all, I won't "buy" any dog... Nope, with the expense of havin' one around they better come as freebees...

So we did go to Leesburg today and we talked with some folks who know all about dogs...

But this was after picking up my mom, who lives there, and meeting my brother for lunch and the topic came up... Seems that an ol' friend of the family has a white German Sheppard puppy... He has always owned German Sheppards and is a great trainer... I believe the puppy might not be spoken for but won't know until my brother gets a hold of our friend...

The best dog I ever had was a white German Sheppard... I found her under the old armory in Richmond (don't ask why I was there...) and she was about 3 years old, stray, etc... Wonderful dog...

As fir a puppy??? Yeah, I know that puppy's can be a pain-in-the-butt but I think if we are going to be able to 1.) train it and 2.) get it to coexist with our cats then a puppy is going to be the best scenerio.... Fortunately, we both have patience......

Will keep everyone posted on our progress...

Bobert


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From: Cluin
Date: 07 Aug 07 - 07:51 PM

"...I won't "buy" any dog... Nope, with the expense of havin' one around they better come as freebees..."

Them days is over.


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From: Bobert
Date: 07 Aug 07 - 08:34 PM

I ain't gonna buy no friggin' dog... Period...

I ain't never bought one yet and I ain't gonna begin now... As far as I am concerned I'm doin' someone a favor to take the sumabich off someone's hands... They oughtta pay me...

Plenty of free dog out there...

Say one today... 3 year old Sheppard with papers, a years supply of Heart Worm meds and Proline fir fleas...

Price???

Free to good home...

Like I said, I ain't buyin' no dog...

Bobert


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Subject: RE: BS: Dog Wanted...But What Breed???...
From: Ebbie
Date: 07 Aug 07 - 10:41 PM

I agree. I don't need no steeenkin' pedigree papers. The only dogs I have ever 'purchased' were Humane Society offerings and I was happy to put some money into their coffers.

I think white German Shepherds are beautiful. You do want to make sure it isn't albino, though. Real eye problems. And the occasional white pup of some breeds tend to be deaf.


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From: Helen
Date: 08 Aug 07 - 03:35 AM

A friend of ours has a white German Shepherd. Almost makes a cat person want to get a dog.

When I first saw the dog I said he looked like the white polar bear in the Bundaberg Rum tv ads. (Bundaberg is a town in Queensland, Oz.) Our friend said, "Yep, the dog's name is Bundy!"

Helen


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From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 08 Aug 07 - 12:00 PM

I've also met a couple of very nice white German Shepherds.

All of my pets except one wandered in off the streets and decided to stay, and the one we chose voluntarily came from the Humane Society (the blue heeler as a companion for the pit). She's the annoying one, actually, a bit hyper, but a very sweet and loving animal.

SRS


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From: GUEST,ibo
Date: 08 Aug 07 - 02:14 PM

I did what you said and now proudly own three little pebbles,thanks for the advice


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From: Becca72
Date: 08 Aug 07 - 03:08 PM

Not to be the downer here, but I was attacked by the neighbor's white german shepard when I was about 7 or 8 years old. Bit me in the face which was pretty nasty. Lucky for me we were both moving and he didn't get the chance to grab on really well. The Mr owner was quite upset and wanted to get rid of the thing, but we kids somehow convinced him it was my fault for playing in the back yard and he kept him. A year or 2 later the dog attacked Mrs owner in the kitchen and nearly killed her. They had him put down after that. Don't know if it was the breed or the dog, but it was some pretty scary shit.


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From: Bobert
Date: 08 Aug 07 - 06:41 PM

Sorry to read about that deranged dog, Becca... The one I had was the sweetest dog I ever had... I think training is an important part of dog ownership and has a lot to do with how dogs turn out in life...

Bobert


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From: Bee
Date: 08 Aug 07 - 08:20 PM

That's the truth, Bobert, but, like humans, every now and then one of 'em has a defective brain from the start. Can't blame that on breed, colour or upbringing, it's just luck of the draw. Becca may have met one of them. My cousins had one. It was usually quiet and well behaved, not skittish or cross, but when it hit around four, it started randomly biting people, without warning, just walk by you quiet as a mouse, turn and chomp a hunk out of the back of your leg. They put it down after it bit the preacher.


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From: Bobert
Date: 08 Aug 07 - 08:36 PM

Did the preacher preside over the funeral??? Awww, jus' funnin'...


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From: Ebbie
Date: 08 Aug 07 - 08:40 PM

When my daughter was four, a standard collie bit her on the leg. We were visiting my brother and sister in law and my daughter and her cousin were playing in the orchard. Without warning - no bark, no growl - the dog bit her and then headed for home across the fence.

After cleansing the wound I settled my daughter on the couch and went outside. I wasn't thinking clearly or maybe I was being more clear than usual- I untied my brother's big dog and we went over to the neighbor in their back yard. I told the wife what their dog had done. His name was Timmy, she said.

I said, sharply, Timmy. Come here.

This sounds other worldish but the dog would leap for my face, my brother's dog would jump up and hit him in the chest knocking him down. I'd repeat, Timmy. Come here.

I was going to literally choke him to death. ha Fat chance.

Eventually I gave up and took my daughter to the doctor where he took stitches in two puncture wounds; the third wound was shallower and he just put a gauze bandage over it.

That evening my brother went over to his neighbor and they talked. They came over and asked to see the wounds. I uncovered the shallow one and they said, OK.

They went home and shot their dog.

Turned out that he had bit children before and they were under city injunction to keep him tied.

It was a scary - and sad - day. I have always loved dogs.


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From: bobad
Date: 08 Aug 07 - 08:41 PM

After nearly 40 years of being a dog owner I have three words of advice for you; training, training, training.


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From: ranger1
Date: 08 Aug 07 - 10:40 PM

Well, I'm pretty partial to my "Tennessee Woodchuck Hound", which it what we're calling Bandit when people insist on a breed. He's got an obsession with ridding the neighborhood of the little varmints, but has no problems with the cats. Check with West Tennessee Animal Rescue, maybe they've got another one.


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From: Sorcha
Date: 08 Aug 07 - 11:32 PM

Yes, some dogs are just off their nut. Sorta like humans that way.

Some dogs just take a dislike to one human, or one category of human, like women, children, or men. In some cases, all you can do is put them down and out of their misery.

Sadly we can't put down humans in the same category. Or, even just 'let them die'. But that is a whole 'nother story isn't it?


Bobert, good luck finding a dog for YOUR life. I know she's out there waiting for you and P Vine.


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From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 09 Aug 07 - 12:33 AM

A friend of mine had a beautiful chocolate lab who developed a growth on his head that turned out to be a cancer. They did surgery and he seemed cured for a while but his behavior became erratic and he bit family members who touched him wrong and they had him euthanized. The vet found that the tumor had returned.

As a child I used to play with various dogs in the neighborhood but was cautioned to leave the cocker spaniel at the corner alone. He would lie on his porch and I wanted to make friends. I was probably about 8 when I crept up on the porch and sat beside him--and was bit on the shoulder. They had the dog destroyed, but at the time I felt horrible, knowing I should have left him alone and it was all my fault. In hindsight, I see that if it hadn't been me it would have been another child bit, and the outcome would have been the same. The dog should have been kept where children couldn't approach him if he was a biter.

SRS


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From: Bobert
Date: 09 Aug 07 - 05:21 PM

Yeah, Sorch, I am partial to the females... Even when it comes to dogs... Plus, a decent lady never lifts her leg meanin' that our ornimental plants don't become doggie urinals...

All though, that crazy Border Collie was a female... And she was flat out nuts... And the P-Vine is a female and she's....













...so sweet... Knocks me off my feet...Etc...

B~


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From: Cluin
Date: 09 Aug 07 - 05:55 PM

The first dog my family had was a cocker named "Rocky". I was a baby crawling around on the floor at the time and it used to growl and go after me. We still have home movies of it. Bit me a few times, though not hard, they say. Maybe it was jealous. Maybe cocker spaniels just don't like kids unless they've been brought up around them.

Anyway, they soon got rid of it. Found somebody else to take it on. We didn't get another dog for 5 or 6 years, but we always had one around after that.


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From: Bee
Date: 09 Aug 07 - 08:47 PM

Cocker Spaniel story:

Where I grew up, there were two Scottish ladies, mother and daughter, who owned one, a cranky old unaltered male with a tendency to piddle on the feet of guests. My aunt used to visit the ladies quite often. She disliked the dog, but she was a kindhearted woman and just wore old shoes when visiting them.

So one afternoon, as she pulled out of the driveway, she heard this unholy howling, and looked round to see the ladies obviously agitated and running towards the car. Bewildered, she stopped and got out, to hear the mother crying out, "Och! Ye've ran over his wee sthroopie!" And to her immense horror, she discovered that the dog had been lying by the lane, its favourite bits hangin' out at the back, and her wheel had thoroughly crushed 'em.

The dog never piddled on my aunt's shoes again.


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From: Cluin
Date: 09 Aug 07 - 08:53 PM

Oh, f__k!


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From: Sorcha
Date: 09 Aug 07 - 10:24 PM

Priceless!


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From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 10 Aug 07 - 06:41 PM

Diffult to visualize that bit of technical driving. She didn't squash anything else in the process?


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From: Cluin
Date: 10 Aug 07 - 06:49 PM

Maybe he fell asleep humping the tire?

Answers that old question: Why does he chase cars; what's he gonna do with it if he catches it?


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From: Bee
Date: 10 Aug 07 - 06:57 PM

SRS: nope, it was just one of those freak accidents. The dog was, um, scrotally well endowed, and old, so a bit...er... saggy. I remember the dog, and the described incident, quite well, though I was a child when Auntie neutered it. She is actually one of the kindest people I've known in my entire life, but once over the shock and having seen to getting the creature to a vet, she began to see the funny side - helped that my Dad laughed his head off when she told us.


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From: Sorcha
Date: 10 Aug 07 - 07:26 PM

Rather amazing that she didn't also smash both hips and his back.


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From: Bee
Date: 10 Aug 07 - 09:13 PM

Not really, near misses happen all the time, but - Sorcha, have you ever seen an old un-neutered Spaniel? Or an old Basset, for that matter?


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From: Sorcha
Date: 10 Aug 07 - 10:31 PM

Yea...LOL. Pretty big ones there....hee hee. Kinda sorta almost drag the ground. Seen some that have, actually.


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From: Little Hawk
Date: 10 Aug 07 - 10:39 PM

Bassets have very dangly bits...all over the place.

I've known several cocker spaniels. Most of them were either crazy, or very stupid, or both of those at the same time. One was a sex maniac that would hump anything at all, animate or inanimate. Another was a paranoid bastard of a thing that hated everybody. He would try to sneak up from behind and nip your Achilles tendon when you weren't looking, and he stalked birds of all things!...with infinite patience. He was so good at this peculiar practice that he frequently caught robins and various other birds that were pecking about on the lawn. He would do this by spending 20 minutes or more edging up on the bird with almost imperceptibly tiny movements...then sieze it in one sudden lunge when it wasn't watching. An astonished squawk, an explosion of feathers and flailing wings, and another dead bird in the yard.

It was the one and only thing that stupid dog knew how to do well.


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From: katlaughing
Date: 11 Aug 07 - 01:27 AM

LH, maybe he was a cat in a dog's body!

My gran had a lovely black cocker spaniel, "Smokey," when I was really little. I used to take him for walks around the block. He was a very nice dog. He loved to climb and had a favourite BIG slanting limb on a weeping willow tree he would run right up then come back down. I don't know if he was trying to catch birds or what. Anyway, he must've had good genes. I remember being really sad when he died.


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From: Dave'sWife
Date: 11 Aug 07 - 12:08 PM

Bobert! Oh I hope you get tha White Shepp puppy. My dear departed Puppers was a white shepherd. Look:

Puppers the Magnificent & Brave with my niece Jaelita

When he was a puppy, in order to tire him out we gave hom a tire with a rope so he could pull it around the yard! Sheps love to work and can be easily taught to chase off pesky creatures.

Just be prepared for silly people to constantly ask you if he is a wolf or a coyote or to try and convince you he can't possibly be a pure bred. White is a naturally ocurring coat color among sheps but cannot be shown in dog shows. I got tired of explaining Puppers' breed and crednetials so I just reverted to telling people he was an Alsatian which seemed to satisfy them.

I hope you get him Bobert! Puppers was the best dog we ever had and every owner of a white shep usually says the same. tempermentally they aren't any different from other Sheps but their unique color gets them a lot of attention from friends and neighbors which can help with their socialization. Our dog was so popular that he had friends we didn't even know about!

Shepherds really can'ty be beat.

Puppers busy tracking something at the park above hollywood

Some people would like to see White Sheps classified as a new breed cand call them berger Blanc Suisse - for pphotos and info go here:
Berger Blanc Suisse article on wikipedia


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From: Bobert
Date: 20 Apr 09 - 07:54 PM

Well, well, well...

First of all, thanks to Jacqui fir finding this thread...

Secondly, the P-Vine has had it up to here with the deer and is agreeable to getting a dog.... Yipppeeeeeee!!! I love dogs...

Now I'm going to have to do alot of re-reading...

Bobert


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From: ranger1
Date: 20 Apr 09 - 08:46 PM

Get a mutt. Dumbest dog I ever owned was also the only pure-bred I ever owned.


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From: Bobert
Date: 20 Apr 09 - 08:53 PM

Well, we qain't gonna get no pure breed, ranger1... We gonna shoot fir somethin' with a mix of what will work fir us plus what the P-Vine wants and what I want... Yeah, mutt...


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From: ranger1
Date: 20 Apr 09 - 09:29 PM

Makes good sense to me, Bobert.


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From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 20 Apr 09 - 10:56 PM

See what there is to fall in love with at the pound. And if you find two in a cage together with a note that says they grew up together, be sure to keep them together. They'll be much happier and balanced dogs. It's so sad when people have to get rid of their pets, especially companions like that, and hope they aren't split up.

SRS


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From: GUEST, Ebbie
Date: 21 Apr 09 - 12:06 AM

You know, Bobert, should you choose to search for your dog at the pound or humane society it might help you get an idea of its temperament and attitude if you took it out for a couple of walks. In Juneau, a number of people do that regularly- on occasion you meet them strolling or running several miles from the shelter. I know at least 4 people who do that.

I admire people who are so committed to making the dog's time at the shelter less stressful and more enjoyable. I would like to be able to do it but 1) I tell myself it would grieve me if I had to face the fact that a dog I had grown fond of was likely to be euthanized, and 2) I am aware that my attitude is totally selfish; the only feelings I am trying to spare are mine, not the dog's.


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From: Bobert
Date: 21 Apr 09 - 07:27 AM

Well, Eb, that's a good idea... Kinda like taking a car for a test ride... Our local shelter tells folks that they can bring back any animal if it ain't working out... What we need to zero in on is a mix of breeds that will do what we need a dog to do: not bark incesently, chase deer and not cats and not run off... We still have some backward laws that allows property owners to shoot and kill any dog that runs accross their land...

B~


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From: kendall
Date: 21 Apr 09 - 09:03 AM

Let's face it folks. ALL dogs are animals and they all have undesirable traits.
My neighbor had a Sheep that was rejected by its mother, so he put it in with the Dogs. Of course he imprinted on the Dogs, and he followed them everywhere. Even learned to bark instead of bleat.
Time went along, and one day I noticed that the Sheep was missing, so I asked him what happened to it. He said, sadly, "I
had to shoot it, damn fool thing started killing Sheep."

I've owned all kinds of dogs from Mutts to pure bred and I never owned a Mutt that had the brains God gave a louse. Our present dog, Seamus, is the smartest one of all and he even has a sense of humor.

Bobert, where I live it is illegal to allow dogs to chase Deer. If you have a Groundhog problem a Dachsund is the answer. If you have Bears, a Bull Mastiff is the ticket. I dont know if Bears laugh or not but the sight of a Dachsund trying to run one off would probably do it.
You need half a dozen dogs.One for each critter.


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From: Bobert
Date: 21 Apr 09 - 07:41 PM

I don't care about the bears, skunks, racoons 'er anything but deer 'casue deer eat the P-Vine shrubs and flowers and I'm gettin' worn out shooting the sumabiches 'cause I don't eat venison and the ol' boy who will come and get 'um after I shoot 'um ain't all that easy to reach meaning I gotta load the sumabich into my tractor bucket and take it a half mile or so back in the woods for the bears to eat... That's gotten real old...

All I need is the right dog...

B~


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From: Joe Offer
Date: 21 Apr 09 - 08:01 PM

I would suppose that once the Obama family chose a Portuguese Water Dog, the price of puppies from that breed went out of sight.

Mind you, this is not Obamadog - this is the Obama family dog, which is quite a different matter. I have to say that if the family follows fashion and shaves the hindquarters of their Portuguese Water Dog, I may have to vote Republican in 2012.



I would like to recommend something smaller, a Shih Tzuh, like my furry friend Ralph. Now, these dogs don't have to be treated like show dogs and have bows in their hair and all. If you treat them like real dogs, they'll act like real dogs - only smaller.


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From: Bobert
Date: 21 Apr 09 - 09:02 PM

No small dogs fir me, Joe... If I can't ride thru town in my pickup truck and folks not be able to see my dog then forget it... And no, I ain't gonna stick the hampster, ahhhhhh, dog on the dashboard...

B;~)


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From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 21 Apr 09 - 11:04 PM

Get a Great Pyrenees. Deer do most of their damage at night and Great Pyrenees simply love doing night-time sentry duty. Just plan out a patrol route that includes all the areas of your property where deer aren't welcome, walk that route with the dog a few times, and he'll soon be walkin' it on his own several times a night.


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From: Sorcha
Date: 22 Apr 09 - 04:19 PM

BW, good idea, but a FARM dog? It would be a grooming nightmare, and GP's don't come cheap! Don't often see them in a mixed breed shelter dog either.


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From: Victor in Mapperton
Date: 22 Apr 09 - 08:41 PM

I wish more dog owners would act in a manner which showed a little consideration for those living beside them. I kept a dog for many years and walked it twice a day and gave it time and attention. Were I live I have to listen to several dogs barking and howling day and night, their owners never come out to deal with the problem. Local councils are useless in dealing with the problem.

A dog needs attention, think long and hard before you get one.


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From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 22 Apr 09 - 11:35 PM

Bobert,

Look at these two beauties. They're doing their trick called "Down. Stay." Okay, sometimes the pit cheats and does her cute commando crawl. But mostly they do it very well. They're dawg sized dogs (the catahoula is 45 lbs, the pit bull is 55 lbs.) They'll show up in your pickup truck if you let them sit on the back seat (though if you borrowed these two don't you DARE put them in the bed of an open pickup!)

They're smart, they do a few tricks, they offer unconditional love (especially when you have dog treats in your pocket!), they bark at stuff, they kill things (so far the list includes one (and only one, we hope) skunk, squirrels, possums, and sorry to say, a few of my tarantulas, lizards, and snakes.

How can you go wrong with a duo like this? Those deer will stay away. Period. The pit was an injured "no such thing as a free dog" stray, the catahoula came from the humane society.

SRS


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From: Donuel
Date: 23 Apr 09 - 04:56 PM

On our street there is a Black Lab - Border Collie mix that has been fixed. It is nearly as big as a Great Dane and surely weighs more.
He is a gentle obediant dog.


I am partial to Russian Wolf Hounds who have a gentle disposition and move with the grace of a Cheetah.


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From: number 6
Date: 23 Apr 09 - 05:02 PM

you can't go wrong with a dog like this ...

good morning Otis!

biLL


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