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Subject: RE: Getaway 07- general discussion/kibitzing - Par From: katlaughing Date: 01 Sep 07 - 11:46 AM |
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Subject: RE: Getaway 07- general discussion/kibitzing - Part 2 From: Bill D Date: 01 Sep 07 - 12:09 PM We gotta quit typing in invisible characters, Dick.... |
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Subject: RE: Getaway 07- general discussion/kibitzing - Part 2 From: Bill D Date: 01 Sep 07 - 01:13 PM In my own, admittedly personal opinion.....We really should discuss and/or negotiate a bit about the 'production numbers', as I know I heard a wide range of opinions last year....several from local folks who do not even read Mudcat and were ummmmm...'startled' by the direction and length of the 'event' *grin* We have always had some occasional workshops, dances, impromptu 'happenings'..etc, that strayed from the general theme. With all the talent and eclectic folks we see, it is inevitable. This is by NO means meant to be a 'cease & desist' order...I don't HAVE that power....nor do I assume automatically that my feelings are in the majority....but we obviously have some 'mixed' reactions worth mulling over. What think ye? |
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Subject: RE: Getaway 07- general discussion/kibitzing - Part 2 From: Big Mick Date: 01 Sep 07 - 01:29 PM I'm glad you are bringing this up, Bill. I must admit, and I hope my very good friends understand, to being a bit concerned about how these productions are growing in scope. When the women did the "Ladies of the Night" skit a few years back, it was fun because of its spontaneous nature, and the personalities involved fit right in. But we need to go back a few years and remember (and be sensitive to) the misgivings that many FSGW'ers had about the influx of Mudcatters. They were concerned about the Getaway keeping its essential nature as a gathering of trad oriented Folk Music enthusiasts. Some felt like they were being taken over, invaded so to speak, by us. My opinion then, and now, is that was hogwash and that we Mudcatters were very inclusive (if they felt left out it was because they simply didn't join in), injected fresh takes on the music into the mix, not to mention the cash and help we brought to the fray. Our involvement brought new artists (such as Jed) and re-interested older artists (such as Rick) in the event. Our involvement had a great deal to do with overseas Mudcatters coming, as well as folks like KT, Ebbie, LEJ, and many others. Some of us have become FSGW'ers (like myself) and very proud of that membership. Having said that, it still seems very important to me that we, as Mudcatters, be very sensitive to those concerns and not exacerbate them. There is a fine line between "spicing up" and event, and taking it over and straying from its basic intent and purpose. I hope we are all well intentioned enough to give this some serious thought as we make our plans. It is, after all, a folk music gathering. FWIW, I love us doing our thing at the Friday night potluck. That is always so very much fun, and the good feelings at seeing old friends, and welcoming old friends never met, is so wonderful. Let's keep this discussion positive, OK friends? I don't post these comments to be inflammatory, rather to provoke some thoughts about the basic nature of what we are doing. This is THE gathering of the year for many of us. Let us make sure we are not doing anything to alienate ourselves or wear out our welcome. |
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Subject: RE: Getaway 07- general discussion/kibitzing - Part 2 From: Amos Date: 01 Sep 07 - 02:56 PM SOme guys will do anything to get out of a poodle skirt. And some, of which I confess to having been one, will do anything to get a girl out of a poodle skirt. A |
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Subject: RE: Getaway 07- general discussion/kibitzing - Part 2 From: Big Mick Date: 01 Sep 07 - 03:05 PM As to the poodle skirt, I told you already, you will have to show me a pistol, and convince me you are good enough with it to get me, before I slip my oversized behind into it....... ****chuckle**** As to assisting women out of theirs...................... I plead the Fifth. But let me know if business is so good that you need experienced assistance, Amos. Mick |
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Subject: RE: Getaway 07- general discussion/kibitzing - Part 2 From: Bill D Date: 01 Sep 07 - 03:13 PM so...you two are gonna poodle your resources? Watch out, ladies! |
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Subject: RE: Getaway 07- general discussion/kibitzing - Part 2 From: Amos Date: 01 Sep 07 - 03:30 PM I think you're skirting the point, Bill. A |
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Subject: RE: Getaway 07- general discussion/kibitzing - Par From: Jeri Date: 01 Sep 07 - 03:47 PM I'm glad I'm not the only one bothered by the production number stuff. Perhaps a time limit on concert performance spots might be in order, or put on the skit somewhere where it doesn't take over the concert. |
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Subject: RE: Getaway 07- general discussion/kibitzing - Part 2 From: Genie Date: 01 Sep 07 - 04:08 PM So Mick and Amos plan to be dogging the wimmen, eh? |
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Subject: RE: Getaway 07- general discussion/kibitzing - Part 2 From: Amos Date: 01 Sep 07 - 04:18 PM It's not exactly a plan...more of a second nature kinda thing. A |
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Subject: RE: Getaway 07- general discussion/kibitzing - Par From: katlaughing Date: 01 Sep 07 - 04:25 PM Bet you'll still be kicking up your legs...or at least cockin' them! BTW, Dick and Bill, when I said "skirt" I did NOT mean a poodle skirt!:-) |
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Subject: RE: Getaway 07- general discussion/kibitzing - Part 2 From: SINSULL Date: 01 Sep 07 - 09:14 PM Amos, Got the idea from Mick - August 31 7:18 PM. Did you really think that Mick wouldn't kiss and tell? Bill, Your points are well taken. The theme is folk doowop and the budding composers (at least volunteering last year) were FSGW people who had doowopped some traditional ballads like Barbara Allan. Charlie Baum has wisely scheduled The Ladies as the last act in past years so that it does not detract from other performers. Look carefully at Youtube - at least half of the menagerie is FSGW ladies. There would have been more but we ran out of costumes. Couldn't get any FSGW men to agree - remember Bill? heh heh This year, I am in the audience. Tinker says she is willing to coordinate. Jacqui is ready to help with costumes. Should be very creative and fun. And a little black leather eye candy can't hurt. SINS |
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Subject: RE: Getaway 07- general discussion/kibitzing - Par From: Jeri Date: 01 Sep 07 - 09:30 PM I volunteer to be in charge of hiding under my chair. |
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Subject: RE: Getaway 07- general discussion/kibitzing - Part 2 From: Janie Date: 02 Sep 07 - 12:43 AM Pondering. Those of us galumping around in inflated horses had a grand time making fools of ourselves last year. However, I was very aware that the enthusiam of many in the audience did not match our own. There were more than a few stunned and incredulous faces looking back at us from the rows of chairs. I was in the audience for "All Around My Hat." My own reaction to it was that it was planful, choreographed, and somewhat rehearsed. The number of people in the cast was appropriately scaled to the space and the event, and the spirit of it was in sync with the Getaway. I was definitely entertained. I suspect that last year, many in the audience experienced the 'production' as simply startling and chaotic. We know that Bill is very involved with the active membership of FSGW, those folks in the DC area who regularly attend the song circles, open mikes, house concerts, etc. He is wonderfully tactful. I think he is trying to tell us that many people in the audience last year were not particularly amused by our antics. Which is another good excuse for me to avow that I ain't wearin' no poodle skirt. Janie |
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Subject: RE: Getaway 07- general discussion/kibitzing - Part 2 From: Amos Date: 02 Sep 07 - 12:51 AM Thanks for the clarification, Sins. I had missed Mick's remark. If you recall he was making frequent visits to a certain bureau drawer with a bottle of good bourbon in it back at that time, so it is not surprising his memories have sort of run together and gotten confused, like a bad dream just before a bad hangover. I think someone did try to French kiss him, but it sure was not me as I retired long before him. Remember he had a certain, um, difficulty entering and exiting his pony costume. Mebbe Kendall? And there were a lot of FSGW'ers who had been absolutely wowed by his baritone, singing "Ghost Riders'. so I guess it might have been one of those fayre lydies. I dunno. A |
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Subject: RE: Getaway 07- general discussion/kibitzing - Part 2 From: Tinker Date: 02 Sep 07 - 08:41 AM Like all good ideas, there is a fine line between pushing the limits and breaking the box. The fact that there wasn't an actual stage, and the number of people who really, really, really wanted to participate up to the last minute added to the confusion. If someone can produce ONE song that combines tradtional song and dop wop style, I have no doubt it can be arranged in a way that will be less confusing and chaotic, but still fun. |
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Subject: RE: Getaway 07- general discussion/kibitzing - Part 2 From: Tinker Date: 02 Sep 07 - 08:58 AM Oh Janie..... I don't think you're out of it .... come on... |
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Subject: RE: Getaway 07- general discussion/kibitzing - Part 2 From: SINSULL Date: 02 Sep 07 - 11:32 AM No problem, Amos. Actually I think it was KoKo which would explain why he thought it was a man. |
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Subject: RE: Getaway 07- general discussion/kibitzing - Par From: dick greenhaus Date: 02 Sep 07 - 12:55 PM Just for clarity's sake-- Although I have no interest in the Doo=wop festivities, I have no objection to them--as long as they don't dominate the Getaway the way they seem to have dominated these threads. |
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Subject: RE: Getaway 07- general discussion/kibitzing - Par From: Jeri Date: 02 Sep 07 - 01:36 PM Dick, so far in THIS thread, ("these threads" - you meant this one thread, right?) you've contributed: "Maybe there should be a separate Getaway for Doo Wop?" and "Dammit. I remember back when the Getaway was about folk music." and "Just for clarity's sake-- Although I have no interest in the Doo=wop festivities, I have no objection to them--as long as they don't dominate the Getaway the way they seem to have dominated these threads." So all YOU'VE talked about is doo-wop. It's dominating the thread because it's what people, including yourself, want to talk about. If that's not accurate, what was it you meant to be discussing? I'm not that fond of doo-wop and becoming increasingly less so over time, but t's pointless to criticize people for not talking about what I want to talk about it, if I'm not even talking about it. |
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Subject: RE: Getaway 07- general discussion/kibitzing - Part 2 From: SINSULL Date: 02 Sep 07 - 01:41 PM Dick, As the organizer of last year's "production", I am glad you and Bill stated your concerns. The responses were mixed. Frankly, given the stunned faces in the front row, I was shocked when several FSGW stalwarts asked to be included in the 2007 plans. Some loved it. For a variety of reasons the production grew like Topsy and had minimal rehearsal time. The theme was borderline "folk". The stage was miniscule compared to Ramblewood. Hopefully, your concerns will be addressed, the length and breadth of the extravanganza will be shortened and the theme kept closer to folk. The doowop/folk parodies I heard last year were brilliant. But if FSGW would prefer it be dropped, I don't think anyone will be devastated. Certainly it could be saved for a impromptu session after hours. And it won't dominate the Getaway. Actually I have spent the last week getting in contact with UKers, Aussie's and locals putting together stuff for my workshop. I have been contacted by others doing workshops who are looking for lyrics, CDs, names, etc. This Getaway will be another where you would need to be in three places at one time to get all the best of it. Mary |
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Subject: RE: Getaway 07- general discussion/kibitzing - Part 2 From: Bill D Date: 02 Sep 07 - 03:59 PM well, it is good to be comparing notes and ...ummmm...'clearing the air'... Of course some liked ALL the productions of "The Ladies", and there is no pleasing some others...*wry grin*. I expect controlling the size & length and staying reasonably on topic will pacify, if not please, most folks.. And yes, indeed, there is always enough of whatever you DO like to occupy the mind and body, yea, unto the point of exhaustion. Onward... |
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Subject: RE: Getaway 07- general discussion/kibitzing - Par From: voyager Date: 03 Sep 07 - 03:00 PM Get-Away Attendees - I preferred the 'Cabin Jams' myself! Vaudeville + Traditional + Non-Traditional Music seems be part of the yearly program. As long as these tracks are clearly laid out then - For the benefit of Mr. Kite There will be a show tonight on trampoline The Hendersons will all be there Late of Pablo-Fanques Fair, what a scene Over men and horses hoops and garters Lastly through a hogshead of real fire! In this way Mr. K. will challenge the world! The celebrated Mr. K. Performs his feat on Saturday at Bishopsgate The Hendersons will dance and sing As Mr. Kite flies through the ring don't be late Messrs. K and H. assure the public Their production will be second to none And of course Henry The Horse dances the waltz! The band begins at ten to six When Mr. K. performs his tricks without a sound And Mr. H. will demonstrate Ten somersets he'll undertake on solid ground 'ving been some days in preparation A splendid time is guaranteed for all And tonight Mr. Kite is topping the bill. A splendid time is guaranteed for all! voyager |
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Subject: RE: Getaway 07- general discussion/kibitzing - Part 2 From: SINSULL Date: 03 Sep 07 - 04:00 PM Does that mean I should pack one of the blow-up horses????? |
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Subject: RE: Getaway 07- general discussion/kibitzing - Part 2 From: SINSULL Date: 03 Sep 07 - 04:01 PM Wonder how the camp will react to a hogshead of real fire?????? |
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Subject: RE: Getaway 07- general discussion/kibitzing - Part 2 From: Joe Offer Date: 14 Sep 07 - 06:09 PM Well, I finally got off my duff and got my airline tickets today. I realized I had enough frequent-flyer miles for a free flight, so it's just costing me a $5 fee - but I won't arrive at National Airport until 11:30 PM Friday. I got a good car rental price from Hertz, so I don't need to scrounge a ride. Leave a light on for me, willya? I was wondering about the cost of camp this year. I see it's $181 for non-members for three nights, but I was wondering what the member price is and whether it's worthwhile to renew my membership. I'm sure the member price is listed somewhere, but I can't find it. Membership in FSGW is $31 a year, so I''m hesitating to join since I can't make it to other FSGW activities. But tell me the member price for the Getaway, so I'll know. See y'all soon. -Joe- |
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Subject: RE: Getaway 07- general discussion/kibitzing - Part 2 From: Bill D Date: 14 Sep 07 - 06:50 PM here's the registration form in .pdf. |
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Subject: RE: Getaway 07- general discussion/kibitzing - Part 2 From: Genie Date: 20 Sep 07 - 07:40 PM I have the same questions Joe does about FSGW membership fee, etc. Still deciding whether I can/should go this year. Family matters are calling me to be in San Diego as much as possible in the next few months, economic necessity is calling me to be in Seattle, and asset management stuff is telling me to stay home in Portland. So I'm inclined to put off Getaway for yet another year, but I just don't know yet. If I do go, I'm still wondering which airport to try to fly into and out of and whether to arrive just before the gathering starts and leave immediately afterwards or extend the trip by a day or two and try to do more while there than just go to the Gathering. I can use any advice anyone has. Genie |
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Subject: RE: Getaway 07- general discussion/kibitzing - Part 2 From: Amos Date: 20 Sep 07 - 07:42 PM Gnie: I found BWI perfectly convenient. A |
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Subject: RE: Getaway 07- general discussion/kibitzing - Part 2 From: Bill D Date: 20 Sep 07 - 10:01 PM There's always something to do around here....This guy will be performing at a special event for FSWG on Tuesday following the Getaway....and there are always more non-FSGW events in the area almost any day in the month. I have no idea yet whether any of the 'locals' are hosting travelers and on what schedules, but it does happen.....some folks have to be back at work Monday...some are ummmm...'older'. Maybe your inquiry will expose some plans. |
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Subject: RE: Getaway 07- general discussion/kibitzing - Part 2 From: Genie Date: 21 Sep 07 - 12:16 AM Thanks for the info, Bill. One big "?" hanging over my plans for the next few months has just been removed this evening, but things are still up in the air. It's kind of looking like I should skip Getaway this year anyway. I wish I could figure out how to be 2 palces at once. |
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Subject: RE: Getaway 07- general discussion/kibitzing - Part 2 From: MMario Date: 21 Sep 07 - 08:29 AM amen to that. Turns out my god-daughter is being baptized that weekend. it's about the only thing that would keep me away. Haven't made a firm decision yet though. |
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Subject: RE: Getaway 07- general discussion/kibitzing - Par From: artbrooks Date: 21 Sep 07 - 08:45 AM Genie, we met you at Folklife several years ago, and hope that you will make Getaway 2008. Our family issues (one on each side) pretty much depleted our travel budget for this year. |
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Subject: Re: Getaway 07 general discussion/kibitzing Pt 2 From: Genie Date: 21 Sep 07 - 03:40 PM I remember you well, Art. And I do plan to make Getaway 2008 even if I do also manage to make the 2007 one. Hope to see you there (and maybe at NW Folklife again?). If I can book a RT flight using my FF miles, I'll do that, since there's no penalty for cancelling or changing such a booking. The real Q (aside from flight availability) is how soon I have to sign up and pay for the Getaway and how much of that I'd forfeit if I had to cancel. Genie |
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Subject: RE: Getaway 07- general discussion/kibitzing - Part 2 From: SINSULL Date: 21 Sep 07 - 04:28 PM WOW! A Getaway without MMario. Doesn't seem possible, Leo. |
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Subject: RE: Getaway 07- general discussion/kibitzing - Part 2 From: Janie Date: 22 Sep 07 - 12:01 AM Unless some one has already pm'd Sins, Jacqui or Tinker to confirm or say "Thanks, but we have some one else who has volunteered this year," would the 'responsible party' let one of us know if you want us to facilitate the auction this year? And if you do, it would be good to talk to some one involved with set-up in advance. That room is small to accomodate all the tables for the auction, Dick & Susan's booth, the craft booths, artist's CD table, beading, info and registration and as a central place to meet, congregate and sing. It may be the only feasible space for all of that to happen, which means some planning and foresight regarding lay-out is called for. I'm betting some able FSGW minds are already on this one, but thought I would mention it, 'just in case....' Janie |
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Subject: RE: Getaway 07- general discussion/kibitzing - Part 2 From: Janie Date: 22 Sep 07 - 12:07 AM Listen up, Leo! We and your family are well aware of your lavish and absolutely awesome devotion to all of them in general, and your myriad neices and nephews in particular. But be fair. They have Leo 361 days a year. I only get to see my darlin' MMario for 4 days once a year. Tell 'em to change the baptism date! Janie |
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Subject: RE: Getaway 07- general discussion/kibitzing - Part 2 From: Bill D Date: 22 Sep 07 - 06:14 PM Better yet...chisel some priorities in stone! Warn everyone you know of certain dates when you will be 'elsewhere'. I'm on my 29th consecutive year.... (yes, of course it's easier when you live close....but still...☺) |
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Subject: RE: Getaway 07- general discussion/kibitzing - Par From: dick greenhaus Date: 22 Sep 07 - 08:30 PM Newbie! |
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Subject: RE: Getaway 07- general discussion/kibitzing - Part 2 From: Bill D Date: 22 Sep 07 - 08:51 PM Yas, yas..I know. YOU serve as an even better example of 'setting priorities'. |
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Subject: RE: Getaway 07- general discussion/kibitzing - Part 2 From: Lonesome EJ Date: 24 Sep 07 - 03:29 PM Made my plane reservations today, sending in my registration. Anyone needing transport from BWI Airport Friday or to BWI on Monday? I am arriving 1:45, and leaving at 3:15 Monday. |
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Subject: RE: Getaway 07- general discussion/kibitzing - Part 2 From: Susan A-R Date: 24 Sep 07 - 11:30 PM When is the registration deadline this year? My plans will be up in the air until Oct. 17. Ironic, since I'll actually be in the DC/VA area at least until November first, but I may or may not have a catering gig back here that first weekend in November. I'm keeping my fingers crossed. |
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Subject: RE: Getaway 07- general discussion/kibitzing - Part 2 From: Linda Goodman Zebooker Date: 27 Sep 07 - 12:14 PM The registration form says that after October 15 "space cannot be guaranteed". But there's almost for sure going to be space, especially if you are willing to take an upper bunk. It says that you can cancel a registration and still get a refund (minus $10) up to October 21. Bill D's posting of Sept 7 up yonder has a link to a pdf of the registration form, and you can also go to the FSGW Getaway page and get more information there and download the pdf registration form. You can also go that page and simply register on line. I hope you can make it to this year's Getaway. I enjoyed talking to you there last year. oboyoboyoboyoboyoboy I love the Getaway boyoboyoboyoboy working on my poodle skirt oboyoboyyoboyoboyyoboyoboyoboyoboyoboyoboy Linda |
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Subject: RE: Getaway 07- general discussion/kibitzing - Part 2 From: Lonesome EJ Date: 27 Sep 07 - 12:23 PM Regarding my previous post, arrival time at BWI was wrong. I'm getting in at 4:50 on Friday if anyone needs transport to the Getaway. |
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Subject: RE: Getaway 07- general discussion/kibitzing - Par From: jacqui.c Date: 27 Sep 07 - 04:19 PM Tried to sign up on line. Maybe it's me, but it wasn't particularly easy or helpful and didn't make any allowance for upper bunks. There also didn't seem to be anyway to make known choice of room mates. We'll send in the paper form. |
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Subject: RE: Getaway 07- general discussion/kibitzing - Part 2 From: ClaireBear Date: 28 Sep 07 - 10:53 AM My registration form is in today's outgoing mail. It will be my first Getaway -- in fact, pretty much my first experience of anything vaguely like this. I'm excited and also a bit terrified... ...because I'm shy, you see, which could mean I'll spend the entire weekend hiding behind trees or under chairs (or behind a book). And I'm coming alone, and I don't know a soul. And I'm not bringing an instrument save my voice, so nothing to hide behind there. Oh, and I've never been in that part of the world before (California native). But I'm coming despite all that...so, any tips? |
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Subject: RE: Getaway 07- general discussion/kibitzing - Par From: jacqui.c Date: 28 Sep 07 - 11:11 AM Claire - the Getaway crowd are a very friendly lot. I'm sure that you will find that the shyness disappears as the weekend goes on. friday night is a general pot luck supper and get together. Look for the Maineiacs - SINSULL, Ranger 1, TRUBRIT, Kendall and myself. We'll be with Jeri and Barry and some of us, at least, will be wearing Mudcat badges. Just come over and introduce yourself and we'll 'look after' you. He he he he he .................... p.s. It helps to be a bit mad to get the best out of the weekend! |
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Subject: RE: Getaway 07- general discussion/kibitzing - Part 2 From: ClaireBear Date: 28 Sep 07 - 11:18 AM Thank you, Jacqui! And I'll pitch in with the mummer's play if ye'll have me. Leaving my squeezebox at home, but I've got my voice for the calling-on... And trust me, I am a bit mad, so that's sorted. |
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Subject: RE: Getaway 07- general discussion/kibitzing - Part 2 From: MMario Date: 28 Sep 07 - 11:35 AM o-uh-oh! they are recruiting bi-coastally! |
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