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BS: UK: Where to send phishing emails

Mr Red 20 Aug 07 - 08:12 AM
Liz the Squeak 20 Aug 07 - 03:11 AM
Alice 19 Aug 07 - 10:15 AM
JohnInKansas 18 Aug 07 - 03:14 PM
Mr Red 18 Aug 07 - 11:25 AM
GUEST,Ian cookieless 18 Aug 07 - 11:22 AM
Becca72 18 Aug 07 - 11:19 AM
Uncle_DaveO 18 Aug 07 - 11:05 AM
Alice 18 Aug 07 - 09:36 AM
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Subject: RE: BS: UK: Where to send phishing emails
From: Mr Red
Date: 20 Aug 07 - 08:12 AM

Mr Yellow tells me he doesn't get these kinda things. But then I am his adviser.

a note to spammers, address collectors , web-bots -

my email address is william.gates@msn.com


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Subject: RE: BS: UK: Where to send phishing emails
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 20 Aug 07 - 03:11 AM

I'm somewhat amused by attempts at real banks to get me to pay charges for an imaginary account, all made up to the name 'Liz the Squeak'... I wish I did have an account I could write cheques on with that name!! I even got one addressed 'Dear Ms Squeak'...

LTS


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Subject: RE: BS: UK: Where to send phishing emails
From: Alice
Date: 19 Aug 07 - 10:15 AM

I agree, Ian, which is why I sent them to my ISP with the header showing the source,
but they told me not to, so I stopped forwarding them.


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Subject: RE: BS: UK: Where to send phishing emails
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 18 Aug 07 - 03:14 PM

In addition to the question of "to whom" there's apparently a question of "how" to send a phishing report.

I had a recent need to contact MSN Tech Support on a subject unrelated to phishing and other junk mail, but in the process of my mostly unproductive consultation the Tech Rep specifically requested that I forward a particular email to MSN's "abuse site." The message appeared to have come from MSN/Hotmail, and the Rep indicated that it appeared to be a phony.

I dutifully did a "forward" to the address given, and received a reply demanding that all such submittals should be sent as an attachment. The message also said that only "paid accounts" may submit such stuff. I had sent from my Hotmail account, which is a paid for adjunct account based on our MSN ISP account but which is something they never seem able to determine without our explaning it once more.

The reply provided a link to "instructions on how to submit" that was a dead link. I got "404 Site not found" on two attempts an hour apart, but later (on two attempts) got a fully downloaded blank screen.

The reply to my first email also provided a second link to "instructions on how to submit." This site was nothing but advertising BULLSHIT about the "new MSN Live!!" and "new Hotmail Live!!" email service (the subject of my original call to Tech Support). I followed ALL LINKS on this page and found no indication that you CAN SUBMIT anything to them.

Punting and applying a bit of imagination, I saved the subject email as a separate file and attached it to a new email, citing the request by MSN Tech Support, my CHARTER MSN ISP AND EMAIL account, and sent it off. I also included a comment or two on their previous response.

I got a new (2d) reply from them saying that they were "unable to receive my attachments." They provided additional unintelligible "instructions" and suggested that "as soon as you send the information** you can delete the email." (I think that's a hint?)

** Unspecified what information(?)

I have just sent a complete plain text reply, with all citations, with as much text as I could extract from the questionable email (it was mostly one big graphic), with all URLs visibly linked from the email message, full Header information, and complete plain text "Sender Information" as reported by my email program.

I await their next pleasant reply.

I was informed, incidentally, that MSN does not investigate or accept reports on SPAM. They are only interested in "phishing" or "threats," and in both cases they indicate that they "will take no legal action" and you must "immediately report the offense to your local police."

Hotmail, of course, doesn't accept any correspondence from users. "If your email doesn't work, send us an email." ("But only email us if your email doesn't work.")

My suggestion would be to ask your local police if they have an "Internet Crimes" unit. If not, go to your local, regional, state, or national "Attorney General" with the same question. A governmental "Consumer Protection" office might also be of some help, although it depends on where you are and how up to date your government is.

Your ISP may be better equipped for rational responses than MSN, so a check of their website (assuming they have one) offers a remote possibility of finding some suggestions.

John


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Subject: RE: BS: UK: Where to send phishing emails
From: Mr Red
Date: 18 Aug 07 - 11:25 AM

My UK bank didn't want to know. The reason I didn't give them a piece of my mind was because I had already had alerts that my (non-existent) accounts at Lloyds, Halifax, Barclays etc etc needed attention.

Because I own the domain name http://cresby.com I use thirty addresses - or one for each contact I think I might be spammed from. Consequently if the "To" address isn't my bank it is a bit of a giveaway, not to mention when I don't deal with that bank.

The more info that can be collected on these, the harder it will be for the criminal. We are talking computers and they can be made to sift very fast. Particularly if we sent them the headers (read "Options" in Outlook). Many clues gives the investigator patterns, if not the actual source (which could be a Zombie anyway).


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Subject: RE: BS: UK: Where to send phishing emails
From: GUEST,Ian cookieless
Date: 18 Aug 07 - 11:22 AM

"My ISP told me that they only want phishing emails that result in an actual crime to be forwarded. There are so many out there, they don't want to be inundated by the forwards." Yes, Alice, they must get thousands. But from my viewpoint, and I hope from the police's, I would rather a crime be prevented because the criminal was caught beforehand than have the mess and heartache of a crime actually committed. I want these bastards caught. Not everyone is wise to their deviousness, or they wouldn't keep trying!


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Subject: RE: BS: UK: Where to send phishing emails
From: Becca72
Date: 18 Aug 07 - 11:19 AM

I had a very similar experience as Dave with my Paypal account. I contacted them directly and found that the email was a scam. I have since closed the account because I don't use it enough to make it worth the stress of keeping an eye on it.


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Subject: RE: BS: UK: Where to send phishing emails
From: Uncle_DaveO
Date: 18 Aug 07 - 11:05 AM

This is not in the UK, but I received what appeared to be a notice from my bank, J.P. Morgan Chase, (with convincing logos) that it had come to their attention that my account(s) online had been accessed from foregin
[sic] sources, so the account was locked. It gave (surprise!) a link to reinstate.   

Of course I did not click the link. I called Chase, who confirmed that this was a phishing expedition, and asked me to forward it to (in their case) Chase@abuse.com.   Whether abuse.com serves the UK, I don't know.

Dave Oesterreich


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Subject: RE: BS: UK: Where to send phishing emails
From: Alice
Date: 18 Aug 07 - 09:36 AM

My ISP told me that they only want phishing emails that result in an actual crime to be forwarded.
There are so many out there, they don't want to be inundated by the forwards.


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Subject: BS: UK: Where to send phishing emails
From: GUEST,Ian cookieless
Date: 18 Aug 07 - 08:28 AM

If you, like me, are sick of phishing emails that ... want my information because some stranger is supposedly offering me a job, or I have won a lottery I haven't entered, or I run a business I don't have and could I please deposit their money in account, or some angry person is demanding I send goods I didn't ever have for sale on Ebay, or there is some suspicious activity on an account with a bank I don't have ... have you ever wondered if the police would be interested?

I have. I searched the net looking for somewhere to forward these emails. The only place I could find was the Met. Though I don't live in London, I contacted the Met, who said they'd be very happy to receive my fraud phishing emails. They have never replied (I know they have better things to do), but i think/hope that if enough people forward their email junk then perhaps the police might act and catch the criminals who want to defraud those more innocent and vulnerable than you and I.

So, if you want to do the same, and I hope you do, the email is:

fraud.alert@met.police.uk

Cheers
Ian


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