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Subject: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers
From: Peter Fisher
Date: 19 Apr 99 - 10:18 AM

It seems some of us are Mudcatters and some are Mudcateers (or maybe just typing impaired). I hope we're Mudcatters because whenever I read "Mudcateers" I conjure up an image of Annette Funicello wearing catfish whiskers instead of mouse ears. Its not a pretty sight.

Peter


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Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers
From: Rick Fielding
Date: 19 Apr 99 - 12:24 PM

Annette wearing anything was a VERY pretty sight!


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Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers
From: Sandy Paton
Date: 19 Apr 99 - 12:30 PM

Just to let you know how old I am, I've never associated "Mudcateers" with Annette or mice. For me, it conjures images of dashing young men with capes and flashing swords and the beautiful women they loved (and who loved them in return). Perhaps they live again in Reg, Reg, and Reg! Flashers, Catspaw?

Gramps


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Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers
From: The Shambles
Date: 19 Apr 99 - 12:42 PM

My one and only childhood sweetheart!!!!!

You've gone and done it now, I shall have to run and have a cold shower. "Love Hurts". All the pain has come back and I thought I was over it?


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Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers
From: Joe Offer
Date: 19 Apr 99 - 12:48 PM

Gosh, you ARE old, Sandy...
I guess I have to admit that I am of the Mudcateer faction (with double "e" but I can't decide whether single or double "t"), and I use it to relate to the Mickey Mouse Club of my childhood (and my prepubescent dreams of Annette, before I fell for Julie Andrews). I like "Mudcateer" because it sounds kind of silly, and reminds us that we shouldn't take ourselves too seriously. On the other hand, I have to say that Mudcateer sounds a bit contrived, and falls off the tongue somewhat less than trippingly.
"Mudcatter" seems more natural, and it's easier to say, and it appears to be used by the majority. But I still like "Mudcateer," but I'm about ready to give up and join the majority.
-Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers
From: Vixen
Date: 19 Apr 99 - 12:57 PM

Sorry folks, but I *think* since this is a mudcat cafe, that only mudcats are allowed, and both mudcatters (heaven forfend!) and mudcateers (puhleeze!) both politically incorrect!

my $0.02.

V


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Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers
From: katlaughing
Date: 19 Apr 99 - 01:21 PM

I am not that old, didn't really like the Mouse club that much, but did love my Illustrated Comic of the The Three Musketeers, so I'm with "SandyGramps".

Recently, a new member mentioned in the chatroom that he wanted to refer to us all as "Mudders", but didn't want to offend. I told him I didn't think it would offend, but then, those of us who wanted to, could call ourselves "MudderPhoakers", which I rather like, as did he! One does have to be careful at how quickly they try to say it, though. It came out wrong at the "family" restaurant yesterday!

I think for short, "Mudders" is as good as any and as a "mommy" I kinda like it.

katlaughing/katlaf(for those who don't want to type the whole thing! Kat is fine, too)


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Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers
From: LEJ
Date: 19 Apr 99 - 01:39 PM

Mudcat=verb. To spend endless hours posting and reading"threads" on a specific web site known as The Mudcat Cafe. also,Mudcatter=one who participates in or facilitates "mudcatting"


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Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers
From: katlaughing
Date: 19 Apr 99 - 01:51 PM

Aw, c'mon LEJ, gettin' technical on us? I thought this all went on emotions!?:->

And, I was just gettin' ready to change that around to "Phoakin' Mudders"!***smile***

katlaughing


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Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers
From: Sandy Paton
Date: 19 Apr 99 - 02:22 PM

I'm willing to switch to "Mudcatters," but wouldn't "Mudcats" be the proper usage LEJ (i.e. those who hang out in a Mudcat Cafe)? And I was just getting the hang of tossing my cape over my shoulder before I leap from the balcony to the chandelier!

Sandy/Gramps (Damn that arthritis!)


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Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers
From: LEJ
Date: 19 Apr 99 - 02:39 PM

Thought it might be fun to come up with some other Mudcatter nicknames. OK so there's Mudcatters, Mudcateers, Phoaks, Mudder Phoakers. Any other candidates? How bout "Max's Minions"? "pickers n clickers"?


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Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers
From: Barbara
Date: 19 Apr 99 - 02:48 PM

'Catters? 'Cats? M'Cats? hooked?
Sandy, you be sure your leap isn't from the balcony...
to the stretcher!
Blessings,
Barbara, who thinks LEJ has the definition down.


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Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers
From: catspaw49
Date: 19 Apr 99 - 04:57 PM

I don't personally care....I'm here to talk about ANNETTE! Whoa buddy, the kid was in love!!!! And as it turns out, she's a classy and courageous person as well. Yeah, it was all kinda' hoaky but.............

For a time I was totally enamored of Hayley Mills but Annette eventually won me back over. Good thing too...Y'all checked out each as adults? Not to put too fine a point on it 'cause I gotta' sneak up on a mirror myself, but Ol' Hayley got a "Blower" on her don't she?

RE: MUDCATTERS vs. MUDCATEERS
I was curious where everybody would fall on this and there have been some other goodies as well. I just have an overwhelming joy that Max didn't pick some other dumb fish...like Crappie. Do I need to say more? The jokes are way too easy.

catspaw


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Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers
From: bbc
Date: 19 Apr 99 - 05:04 PM

Picky, picky...I'm strongly on the Mudcatter side. When I see the other spelling, I start singing the Micky Mouse club jingle & my family gets abusive. I *really* don't like picturing myself w/ mouse ears! Mudcatter is just *so* much more sophisticated. I can't believe we're really talking about this; maybe we *should* get real lives? :)

bbc


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Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers
From: Rick Fielding
Date: 19 Apr 99 - 05:21 PM

Please, please, "mudcatoids", don't start talking about SEX! I already feel guilty enough for putting the word "politics" in a thread, and thinking about Annette is causing my aging memory thread to start "refreshing". Next thing you know I'll be remembering that 1959 promo picture of Peggy Seeger and..no, no, think pure thoughts.

I know, I'll think of the Three Musketeers instead. Now let me see, weren't their names "Asshole, Porthole, Armistice, and Dartboard?

I promise never to use profanity again on the Mudcat. I'm sorry.

rick


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Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers
From: Joe Offer
Date: 19 Apr 99 - 05:32 PM

Hey, maybe we should start a folkie pinup thread. I vote for Carolyn Hester. Oh, YES!!
Be still, my longing heart....
-Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers
From: Rick Fielding
Date: 19 Apr 99 - 05:43 PM

Oh Glory, talk about opening a can of worms? This is one of our problems of course. While more average 18 year old boys were reading Playboy, some of us were ogling album covers. Bonnie Dobson, Barbara Dane!! (and what a voice!)

I have it on good authority that Sandy Paton had a thing for Jenny Lynd.


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Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers
From: The Shambles
Date: 19 Apr 99 - 05:44 PM

Rick

Mudcatoids sound painful. Piles in the 'Big Muddy'?

Now you have dragged me back to the real world and I have to imagine my beloved Annette as being as 'wrinkly' as myself, could you inform me of what she is up to these days?


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Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers
From: Pete M
Date: 19 Apr 99 - 05:44 PM

Mice??? Fish???? Mud cats are cats that like playing in the mud - I've got two; 'Catters like to Mudcat as LEJ says!

Actually, I'm with you Sandy, just make sure there a lusty wench on top of the hay cart. Death to the Greasy Emininence! If only I could get this kink out of me rapier!

Pete M twirling his moustache


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Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers
From: Rick Fielding
Date: 19 Apr 99 - 05:49 PM

The poor lass has been battling M.S. for a number of years and is currently in a "chair".


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Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers
From: The Shambles
Date: 19 Apr 99 - 06:05 PM

Rick

I am very sorry too hear that, I had no idea.

My best wishes to her and all those suffering from MS.


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Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers
From: Joe Offer
Date: 19 Apr 99 - 06:06 PM

Click here for a Web site devoted to Annette Funicello. I think we were right to have been impressed by her.
-Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers
From: Mark Roffe
Date: 19 Apr 99 - 06:09 PM

She's also got a toy bear business and a perfume business, and made a movie (1995) about her life called A Dream is a Wish Your Heart Makes, also starring Frankie Avalon.


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Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers
From: DonMeixner
Date: 19 Apr 99 - 06:33 PM

LEJ

I must then assume that a Mudcat engages in "Mudcattery", a more refined form of "Mudslinging" and this is done in "The Mudcatorium", some hidden alcove in Mudcats home where the afore mentioned "Mudcattery" may take place. "Mudcattery" being the spreading of "Mudcacious" gossip and nittpickery in a "Mudcatorial" manner.

Do I understand this clearly?

Don


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Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers
From: The Shambles
Date: 19 Apr 99 - 06:39 PM

NO

Sorry I am having trouble with my mudcatoids.


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Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers
From: Banjeray (inactive)
Date: 19 Apr 99 - 06:41 PM

Call me anything you want, just don't call me late for a meal!!


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Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers
From: Margo
Date: 20 Apr 99 - 11:01 AM

Hey, Shambles. My husband Jack calls me "womanoid". I'm with you; I'm "oided" out. (Say that out loud, it's funny) (Sounds like we oided out for pizzah)

Last night at song circle I discovered two mudcatters. Hi Jack mostly folk and MAG. We all referred to each other as Mudcatters.

How's Muddy Max and his Madcap Mudcats?


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Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers
From: katlaughing
Date: 20 Apr 99 - 11:04 AM

MM & MM, Magarita....I LIKE IT!


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Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers
From: Vixen
Date: 20 Apr 99 - 11:14 AM

D'Cats-

I'm still going with "mudcats" for a label, and "mudcatting" for what we do.

I see us as a collection of creative and intelligent individuals. As such, we consume our respective realities, and produce something different, presumably better. Some of us create various forms of music, and some of us create in other ways in our lives--in our professions, in our relationships, whatever.

Mudcats are bottom-feeding scavenging fish that consume their respective realities, producing a flesh that is succulent and tasty.

"give me a fish, I eat for a day; teach me to fish and I never go hungry"

I'm afraid this little philosphical ramble doesn't clearly express what I'm feeling and thinking, but the gist is that I think the Mudcat cafe has a particularly appropriate name at a number of levels, and its patrons/habitues can refer to themselves as mudcats confident they are being accurate, humble, metaphorical, honest, and not taking themselves too seriously!

Proud to be a Mudcat!!!!

V


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Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 20 Apr 99 - 11:56 AM

give a man a fish, and he eats for a day;
teach him to fish, and he'll spend the rest of his life in a boat, drinking beer.


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Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers
From: catspaw49
Date: 20 Apr 99 - 12:07 PM

...with a #8 over the side going after carp and crappie.

catspaw


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Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers
From: LEJ
Date: 20 Apr 99 - 12:18 PM

Give a man a fish and he'll ask his wife to clean it- teach a man to fish and he'll still be hungry but he'll spend the rest of the week bragging about the size of the one that got away.

LEJ


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Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers
From: Tony Burns
Date: 20 Apr 99 - 12:39 PM

Annette? Hayley? Hey Paw! Stop living my past!

Folksinger to die for? Jean Ray (sigh ............)

Tony (Mudder of Invention) Burns


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Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers
From: Sandy Paton
Date: 20 Apr 99 - 04:50 PM

Actually, Rick, my great heart-throb was Lily Langtry. Named my town after her. Oh, no, that was someone else's saloon, wasn't it? In fact, checking on the spelling of her name, I discovered she died the year I was born! News like that can really make a fellow feel antiquated.

Sandy, climbing back up to the balcony (creak, groan)


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Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers
From: Barry Finn
Date: 20 Apr 99 - 05:20 PM

Sandy is that the same Lily that infatuated ROY BEAN, the last law west of the Pecos? There must be a dusty dirt poor song in here somewhere? Barry


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Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers
From: Craig
Date: 21 Apr 99 - 12:06 AM

Yeah. When I first say Annette it was all over except the shouting. There's never been another girl for me. In my neck of the woods he was known as Mickey Ousob. It was always wild in my neck of the woods.

Me, I like the Mudder monicker. Sounds pretty slick to me.

Craig


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Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers
From: Sandy Paton
Date: 21 Apr 99 - 12:27 AM

Yeah, pardner, but who's afraid of ol' Roy Bean? See you at NEFFA this weekend, Barry?

Sandy


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Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 21 Apr 99 - 12:32 AM

Eckshully, for some of us, it's Roy Has-Bean.


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Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers
From: katlaughing
Date: 21 Apr 99 - 12:40 AM

Thanks, Craig! Another vote for Mudder!


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Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers
From: MudGuard
Date: 21 Apr 99 - 04:15 AM

Aren't Mudcats the animals hunting and eating Mudmice???

And if we chose Mudcats as a name for us, shouldn't it be Mudtomcats for the men, Mudkittens for the children?!

What about Mudchatter? Or does this apply only to those using the chat room?
Andreas


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Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers
From: alison
Date: 21 Apr 99 - 04:36 AM

Hi,

My vote still goes for Mudcateers..... we weren't subjected to the kids in the ears like you lot were...... I get images of Gene Kelly swashbuckling his way into the castle, probably while doing a nifty tap routine......

Slainte

alison


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Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers
From: Helen
Date: 21 Apr 99 - 04:41 AM

Hi all,

I don't know whether I was the one who first started using the term "Mudcateer" but I know that when the thought occurred to me I had a funny/comic vision of folky-type Musketeers in cyberspace rather than Mouseketeers, although that thought did occur to me later - equally comic image in its own way.

Anyway when I say "Mudcateers" I am intending to be gently humourous and not seriously proposing it as a label, but then again, we get reminded here at Mudcat, time and again, about the diversity of our community so I tend to think that only one label would never be enough for all of us at any one time.

I like Don Meixner's Mud-cabulary very much. Do you think it should be Mudcataciaous rather than Mudcacious?

Helen


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Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers
From: Peter Fisher
Date: 21 Apr 99 - 10:33 AM

And then there's the occasional bit of Mudscatology that finds its way into certain threads (not mentioning any names of course).


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Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers
From: catspaw49
Date: 21 Apr 99 - 10:39 AM

Well thank you Peter.

catspaw


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Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers
From: The Shambles
Date: 21 Apr 99 - 02:04 PM

I suppose I will have to come off the fence. It didn't seem to be a burning question and still isn't but reading Max's post on the things that he has planned, made me think.

He is planning a childrens Mudcat site and it appears to me that for the younger ones at least to be called Mudcateers, might be quite attractive to them?


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Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers
From: The Shambles
Date: 21 Apr 99 - 02:50 PM

God! Didn't that sound patronising?


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Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers
From: Joe Offer
Date: 21 Apr 99 - 04:15 PM

Yes, very patronizing, Roger. My 20-something kids might be more open to "Mudpunk."
-Joe Offer- (that's the AGE, not the number of my children)


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Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers
From: Mudjack
Date: 21 Apr 99 - 04:52 PM

Mudder gets my vote, not like mother but like a cat who wallers in the mud or a race horse who races best in the mud.However when saying it publicly or at a song circle in mixed company, the gentleman I am, I'm compelled to say mudcatter even though I like "MMMudddders" Jack mostly folk mudder.


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Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers
From: Sandy Paton
Date: 22 Apr 99 - 02:52 AM

"Mudders" sounds like half a word to me.


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Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers
From: Steve Parkes
Date: 22 Apr 99 - 03:23 AM

I find I always refer to 'Catters, but that's cos I'm too idle to type Mudcatters in full: otherwise, Mudcatters gets my vote. Well, at least for us over-21s!

Steve


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Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers
From: Helen
Date: 22 Apr 99 - 03:42 AM

Hi again,

More thoughts on Mudcateers. I like the Musketeers connection - because we can be swashbuckling fighters for social good when we choose to be (anyone know how to buckle a swash?). Or Mouseketeers because we are all singing, al dancing, all round good entertainers when we choose to be.

And I just misspelled and corrected "muscateers" which is also fairly relevant to most folkies I've ever met. Muscat, in Oz, is an alcoholic drink - like port. So even my misspelling seems appropriate.

Helen


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Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers
From: Banjer
Date: 22 Apr 99 - 05:33 AM

Mudcateers...I like it! Just think, some of the more talented among us could even do a parody of the Mouseketeers anthem.
MUDCATEERS, MUDCATEERS, FOREVER MAY OUR WEB-SITE WAVE ON HIGH!
Now it's time to say good night and turn the 'pewter off...etc...
Oh WOW, where can I get my ears? Do they come with the Tee Shirt?
I do think that as a diverse a group as the Mouseketeers were, the comparison is apt, for we also are avery diverse yet closeknit group.


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Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers
From: alison
Date: 22 Apr 99 - 06:36 AM

All for one...........


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Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers
From: katlaughing
Date: 22 Apr 99 - 11:00 AM

I know I read "Mudwhatevers" in another thread. What to do? What to do? I like it, too!

katlaughing, "muddering" to herself


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Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers
From: bbc
Date: 22 Apr 99 - 11:44 AM

It was me, kat! That's the kind of thing that happens when I post to serious threads in the middle of the night!

bbc (always inclusive) :)


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Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers
From: The Shambles
Date: 22 Apr 99 - 05:52 PM

Alison

That took me back to a classic 'Round the Horne' sketch, probably not very PC now though.

They shout "all for one and one for all"... Kenneth Williams in his best 'camp' voice replies "and I'm one".


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Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers
From: Robin McG
Date: 22 Apr 99 - 08:38 PM

Have to agree with Helen and I bet with enough muscat we could all buckle a swash! I never wanted to be Annette, I wanted to be Karen because she got to be with Cubby (remembeer his smile ladies?].


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Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers
From: Tucker
Date: 23 Apr 99 - 12:28 AM

If I am accepted around here does that mean I am Mudder Tucker?


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Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers
From: katlaughing
Date: 23 Apr 99 - 12:43 AM

Depends on the hours you keep. If they are late, you could be a Tuckered Mudder!


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Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers
From: Tucker
Date: 24 Apr 99 - 12:14 AM

Ah Kat ya do have a sense of humour. LMAO.


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Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers
From: Susan A-R
Date: 24 Apr 99 - 09:55 PM

I'm gonna be a mudcaterer, bein' a cook. Now I have to remind you that mudders are those clams you dig up that don't have a clam in 'em, just mud, and I don't want to be one of those. That would be catastrophic.

Susan


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Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers
From: katlaughing
Date: 24 Apr 99 - 11:29 PM

Susan the Chef: will you be serving mud-pies fer us Mudders? If it is soporifically treated mud, will it make us catatonic?

katlaughing, curiously


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Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers
From: Mark Roffe
Date: 24 Apr 99 - 11:58 PM

My son just asked me what a "Mudcat" is, and aside from the stuff about catter vs cateer in this thread, I had to face the fact that I haven't a clue as to where the name Mudcat actually comes from! So tell me (and be nice, remember - I'm passing this information on to a 13 year old) why is the site called the Mudcat Cafe?

Mark


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Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers
From: DonMeixner
Date: 25 Apr 99 - 01:10 AM

Mark,

A Mudcat is a local term, Midwest I believe for the river Catfish. They are a bottom feeding fish that is really quite low on the evolutionary scale, So to speak. Simple enough. Be hunting them for 40+ years now, caught one that weighed 16+ pounds once.

Don


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Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers
From: Joe Offer
Date: 25 Apr 99 - 02:01 AM

...and the Mudcat Cafe started out as a blues site (catfish and deltas and blues go together, dontchaknow), but Good Old Max also made it a home for us folkies, who kind of overran the place.
-Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers
From: Tucker
Date: 25 Apr 99 - 07:18 PM

Don, just a wee 16 pounder? I hope ya threw the minnow back in.


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Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers
From: DonMeixner
Date: 25 Apr 99 - 10:35 PM

Tucker,

I collect antique fishing tackle and once a year I'd suit up in 1930's kit and hed for the river. This is usually during BullHead(Hornpout for you New Englanders) season when I won't do any harm to the old toys I have. While sitting on a dam in Caughdenoy on the Oneida river I was drinking a local frothy and chatting with my friend Jim when my 19 34 American Fork and Hoe swedged steel rod began to slide along the face of the dam. As I am a man of of action I immediately knew what to do! I said "Jim, Will you hold my beer? I think I have a strike." I picked up the rod with its J.C.Higgins level wind Nickle plated bait caster on board a set the hook, #8 Eagle Claw. What followed was a 45 minute test of will that ended with Jim, holding the extreme end of an 8" net, bent over the face of the dam with his wife sitting on his legs to stop a 15 plunge should things go awry. We landed the Catfish with out further damage to my old tackle or Jims belly.

16 pounds of Mudcat is about as big as your average thigh. We cut it into steaks and barbecued it with Luisianne Sauce and ate it with new potatoes tossed in the coals to cook. Catfish, roasted taters, and steamed collards topped with a Genny Screamer. Middle age doesn't get better than that very often, and when it does my wife has a more integral part.

Don


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Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers
From: LEJ
Date: 26 Apr 99 - 01:10 AM

Great story, Don. Man, I like that technical fishing talk!

Reminds me of the time I was tucked into a tight canyon off the Animas, roll-casting a Royal Wulff into some slack water behind a boulder where a 15"Cutthroat was surface-feeding, up to the thighs of my Hodgmans in water as cold and crystal clear as iced vodka...ah, but I digress...LEJ


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Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers
From: Frank Howe
Date: 26 Apr 99 - 05:29 PM

You have to read this whole thread and then it's clear that "Mudders" is the appropriate name. However when introduced to polite society "M-Cats" should suffice.


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Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers
From: katlaughing
Date: 27 Apr 99 - 03:46 AM

Ah....Frank....Anudder Mudder fer "Mudder"! Thanks!

I also like Mudphoaks!


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Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers
From: Peter T.
Date: 27 Apr 99 - 10:14 AM

I think it is important to return to the thread in this thread (hmmm) about Annette. Here we find a real dividing line (no, not that line) between Annette lovers and Darlene lovers. While Annette was clearly in the extrovert, let it all hang out, dare I say ethnically extravagant category; for others there was a subtler creature on the block. This is perhaps as significant a line as that drawn between the romantic and the classical, Carnival vs. Carnegie Hall, Technicolor vs. black-and-white, the hot versus the cool. The idea that Darlene would star in a beach movie wearing a (shudder) one piece bathing suit is laughable, and how she would have eviscerated Frankie Avalon does not bear dwelling upon. He edges into the obvious question delicately, putting down his cabernet sauvignon: WHAT HAPPENED TO THE GLORIOUS DARLENE??????

Also, again sidestepping the main thread, and adding another problem -- what (as Rick Fielding and I have asked) is the secret Mudcat handshake?

Yours, Peter T.,


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Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers
From: Peter T.
Date: 27 Apr 99 - 10:30 AM

The secret handshake is a new thread !

Yours, Peter T.


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Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers
From: DonMeixner
Date: 27 Apr 99 - 12:28 PM

Peter,

I believe that Darlene Gillespie became a Woman body builder. I also believe she fell on some hard times and is doing or has done time or had time probated as a result of those hard times. Thanks for your time this time till next time.

Don


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Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers
From: Peter T.
Date: 27 Apr 99 - 01:56 PM

A net search reveals the following:

Monday, November 30, 1998

THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

LOS ANGELES -- TV fans first got to know Darlene Gillespie as a freckle-face Mouseketeer, described by Disney publicity as having ``more bounce to the ounce than a bottle of a soda pop.''     She was one of the nine original Mouseketeers who appeared in the first season of the ``Mickey Mouse Club'' and stayed for the duration of the show's 1955-1959 run.     Now the 56-year old Gillespie is back in the public eye, with jury selection beginning today for her trial on stock fraud charges. Her fiance has pleaded guilty in the case and been sentenced to prison.     During her first season as a Mouseketeer, Gillespie was featured in her own serial, ``Corky and White Shadow,'' about the Wild West adventures of a girl and her heroic dog.     In George Woolery's book, Children's Television: The First Thirty-Five Years, Gillespie characterized the serial as ``horrendous.''     Mouseketeer Bobby Burgess said Gillespie was delight as a person and a performer.     ``Darlene was so talented, so nice,'' said Burgess, 56, who made a smooth transition from Mouseketeer to dance star on ``The Lawrence Welk Show.''     Burgess, who still makes appearances for Disney and performs with the Welk troupe in Branson, Mo., recalle that in addition to her post-Mouseketeer career as a registered nurse, Gillespie made several attempts to continue in entertainment.       ``In Nashville, she tried to get into country-western as Darlene Valentine,'' Burgess recalled. ``She had the talent. Maybe she didn't have the right agent.''       Gillespie and her fiance, Jerry Fraschilla, were charged in a complex stock fraud scheme that involved ``free riding,'' or the purchase of stock without paying for it, and obstruction of justice.     Fraschilla, 61 pleaded guilty to 2 federal charges and last month was sentenced to 18 months in prison, plus probation. Gillespie faces 14 counts, including conspiracy, securities fraud and obstruction of justice.

    ``The defense issimple. She was one of the victimsrather than one of the perpetrators. We're playing it straight,'' her lawyer, Charles Rondeau, said last week.

During preliminary court appearances, Gillespie has refused to discuss the case or her childhood career.  ``I'd rather not talk about that right now,'' said Gillespie, her polite smile still recalling the girl who once shone in Mickey Mouse ears."

Yours, Peter T.        


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Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers
From: Peter T.
Date: 27 Apr 99 - 02:07 PM

Copyright © 1999 Nando Media Copyright © 1999 Reuters News Service

LOS ANGELES (March 11, 1999 10:54 p.m. EST http://www.nandotimes.com) - One of TV's original "Mouseketeers," Darlene Gillespie, was sentenced Thursday to two years in prison for securities fraud. But she left court defiant and maintaining her innocence.

"I am innocent and I believe in all my heart that at the end of the road I will be vindicated," Gillespie, 57, said after her sentence for buying with her boyfriend about $800,000 worth of stock with bad checks.

Gillespie -- who was also found guilty of conspiracy relating to the so-called "free-riding" scheme and obstruction of justice -- at trial blamed two stockbrokers and her bookkeeper for the lost money.

Outside court, she alluded again to those claims while blasting U.S. District Judge Lourdes Baird, who presided over her case and handed down the sentence. She also blamed federal prosecutors.

Specifically, she named Assistant U.S. Attorney Jack Weiss, who prosecuted the case, and U.S. Attorney for Los Angeles Nora Manella.

"I hope that Mr. Weiss and the judge and Nora Manella all one day get my broker to handle their affairs," she said. "I did not perjure myself and I did not present knowingly any false documents."

And the red-haired Gillespie, who wore brown velour slacks and a rust-colored jacket with faux-rattlesnake lapels to court, said she would appeal her Dec 11 conviction.

In handing down the prison term, Baird called "very disturbing" Gillespie's willingness to lie under oath and concoct a false defense to the charges.

"I find it very interesting that you were able to go forward and blatantly perjure yourself," the judge said. "You presented a story that was not at all believable. It's sad that you took an oath to tell the truth and then you (lied)."

Gillespie -- an original cast member on the "Mickey Mouse Club" television show which ran from 1954 to 1959 -- was convicted of helping her then-boyfriend Jerry Fraschilla of using closed or overdrawn bank accounts to pay for more than 194,000 shares of stock.

Then, prosecutors said, the pair lied to Securities and Exchange Commission investigators about the scheme.

Fraschilla, 61, who married Gillespie in January, pleaded guilty to similar charges and is currently serving an 18-month prison term.

By DAN WHITCOMB


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Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers
From: Cuilionn
Date: 27 Apr 99 - 07:08 PM

Cannae resist...tho' tae be sure I'm verra sorry for th' hard luck an' a' what led up tae it...

Regardin' Darlene's coortruim behavior, she's nae country mouse... Almaist tried tae slip th' jury a Mickey. Let's a' gie Disney a roond o' applause, for fosterin' sic a strong sense o' "imagination" amang oor youth. If th' scheme wairks oot, d'ye suppose they'll Minnie-mize her sentence?!?

--Cuilionn, whae's feelin' verra 'Catty th' day...


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Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers
From: Peter T.
Date: 28 Apr 99 - 09:10 AM

Cuilionn, please, some of us are in deep mourning for the lost love of our childhood. To paraphrase Francois Villon: "Mais ou sont les souris d'antan?".

Yours, Peter T.


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Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers
From: katlaughing
Date: 12 Oct 09 - 02:21 PM

Refresh Lore of the 'cat


(can't believe this one has never been brought back up!:-)


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Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 12 Oct 09 - 02:51 PM

Maybe because Mudcat as it is now could never sustain a thread like this any more.
Of course there is the other reason; a lot of the posters are now dead, or have been driven away by the naysayers, or other personal reasons.

JM


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Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers
From: Amos
Date: 12 Oct 09 - 03:02 PM

The link Joe posted to Annette's website is extinct, but for those who yearn for reminders, here's all the Annette you can handle. And here's the lovely Darlene in uniform.

The years have gone along and it seems that Mudcatters or 'Catters has earned the evolutionary advantage as our nominal meme.

M-U-D (Deeeelerious!) C-A-T (Teeeeeeriffic!) H-O-U-S-E!

But I still like the idea of joining Sandy Paton on a balcony, our capes flowing in the wind, drawing our lutes or zithers, and leaping into the musical fray. Sproinnnng! Decapitated capos in all directions. Yeeehaw.



A


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Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers
From: olddude
Date: 12 Oct 09 - 03:08 PM

Lately the term mudslingers is probably ok also


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Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers
From: wysiwyg
Date: 12 Oct 09 - 03:11 PM

Those Mudcat patches would make lovely mouse ears if we had logo'd MudDuctTape to put them on with

~S~


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Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers
From: Joe_F
Date: 12 Oct 09 - 06:20 PM

One might take the line that there is only one Mudcat, and that we its spawn are Mudkittens; but I forbear.


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Subject: Mudcateers forever!
From: JesseW
Date: 13 Oct 09 - 01:53 AM

I hadn't come across the Mudcateers name before -- and I quite like it... long may the 'cat wave...


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Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers
From: Bugsy
Date: 13 Oct 09 - 03:46 AM

As my old Granny used to say:
"Call me whatever you like. Just don't call me late for lunch."

Cheers

Bugsy


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Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers
From: bbc
Date: 13 Oct 09 - 06:29 AM

It was fun to read it again, kat, particularly the posts by Sandy & Rick. Thanks!

Barbara


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