Mudcatters vs Mudcateers

Subject: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers
From: Peter Fisher
Date: 19 Apr 99 - 10:18 AM

It seems some of us are Mudcatters and some are Mudcateers (or maybe just typing impaired). I hope we're Mudcatters because whenever I read "Mudcateers" I conjure up an image of Annette Funicello wearing catfish whiskers instead of mouse ears. Its not a pretty sight.

Peter

Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers
From: Rick Fielding
Date: 19 Apr 99 - 12:24 PM

Annette wearing anything was a VERY pretty sight!

Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers
From: Sandy Paton
Date: 19 Apr 99 - 12:30 PM

Just to let you know how old I am, I've never associated "Mudcateers" with Annette or mice. For me, it conjures images of dashing young men with capes and flashing swords and the beautiful women they loved (and who loved them in return). Perhaps they live again in Reg, Reg, and Reg! Flashers, Catspaw?

Gramps

Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers
From: The Shambles
Date: 19 Apr 99 - 12:42 PM

My one and only childhood sweetheart!!!!!

You've gone and done it now, I shall have to run and have a cold shower. "Love Hurts". All the pain has come back and I thought I was over it?

Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers
From: Joe Offer
Date: 19 Apr 99 - 12:48 PM

Gosh, you ARE old, Sandy...
I guess I have to admit that I am of the Mudcateer faction (with double "e" but I can't decide whether single or double "t"), and I use it to relate to the Mickey Mouse Club of my childhood (and my prepubescent dreams of Annette, before I fell for Julie Andrews). I like "Mudcateer" because it sounds kind of silly, and reminds us that we shouldn't take ourselves too seriously. On the other hand, I have to say that Mudcateer sounds a bit contrived, and falls off the tongue somewhat less than trippingly.
"Mudcatter" seems more natural, and it's easier to say, and it appears to be used by the majority. But I still like "Mudcateer," but I'm about ready to give up and join the majority.
-Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers
From: Vixen
Date: 19 Apr 99 - 12:57 PM

Sorry folks, but I *think* since this is a mudcat cafe, that only mudcats are allowed, and both mudcatters (heaven forfend!) and mudcateers (puhleeze!) both politically incorrect!

my $0.02.

V

Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers
From: katlaughing
Date: 19 Apr 99 - 01:21 PM

I am not that old, didn't really like the Mouse club that much, but did love my Illustrated Comic of the The Three Musketeers, so I'm with "SandyGramps".

Recently, a new member mentioned in the chatroom that he wanted to refer to us all as "Mudders", but didn't want to offend. I told him I didn't think it would offend, but then, those of us who wanted to, could call ourselves "MudderPhoakers", which I rather like, as did he! One does have to be careful at how quickly they try to say it, though. It came out wrong at the "family" restaurant yesterday!

I think for short, "Mudders" is as good as any and as a "mommy" I kinda like it.

katlaughing/katlaf(for those who don't want to type the whole thing! Kat is fine, too)

Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers
From: LEJ
Date: 19 Apr 99 - 01:39 PM

Mudcat=verb. To spend endless hours posting and reading"threads" on a specific web site known as The Mudcat Cafe. also,Mudcatter=one who participates in or facilitates "mudcatting"

Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers
From: katlaughing
Date: 19 Apr 99 - 01:51 PM

Aw, c'mon LEJ, gettin' technical on us? I thought this all went on emotions!?:->

And, I was just gettin' ready to change that around to "Phoakin' Mudders"!***smile***

katlaughing

Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers
From: Sandy Paton
Date: 19 Apr 99 - 02:22 PM

I'm willing to switch to "Mudcatters," but wouldn't "Mudcats" be the proper usage LEJ (i.e. those who hang out in a Mudcat Cafe)? And I was just getting the hang of tossing my cape over my shoulder before I leap from the balcony to the chandelier!

Sandy/Gramps (Damn that arthritis!)

Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers
From: LEJ
Date: 19 Apr 99 - 02:39 PM

Thought it might be fun to come up with some other Mudcatter nicknames. OK so there's Mudcatters, Mudcateers, Phoaks, Mudder Phoakers. Any other candidates? How bout "Max's Minions"? "pickers n clickers"?

Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers
From: Barbara
Date: 19 Apr 99 - 02:48 PM

'Catters? 'Cats? M'Cats? hooked?
Sandy, you be sure your leap isn't from the balcony...
to the stretcher!
Blessings,
Barbara, who thinks LEJ has the definition down.

Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers
From: catspaw49
Date: 19 Apr 99 - 04:57 PM

I don't personally care....I'm here to talk about ANNETTE! Whoa buddy, the kid was in love!!!! And as it turns out, she's a classy and courageous person as well. Yeah, it was all kinda' hoaky but.............

For a time I was totally enamored of Hayley Mills but Annette eventually won me back over. Good thing too...Y'all checked out each as adults? Not to put too fine a point on it 'cause I gotta' sneak up on a mirror myself, but Ol' Hayley got a "Blower" on her don't she?

RE: MUDCATTERS vs. MUDCATEERS
I was curious where everybody would fall on this and there have been some other goodies as well. I just have an overwhelming joy that Max didn't pick some other dumb fish...like Crappie. Do I need to say more? The jokes are way too easy.

catspaw

Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers
From: bbc
Date: 19 Apr 99 - 05:04 PM

Picky, picky...I'm strongly on the Mudcatter side. When I see the other spelling, I start singing the Micky Mouse club jingle & my family gets abusive. I *really* don't like picturing myself w/ mouse ears! Mudcatter is just *so* much more sophisticated. I can't believe we're really talking about this; maybe we *should* get real lives? :)

bbc

Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers
From: Rick Fielding
Date: 19 Apr 99 - 05:21 PM

Please, please, "mudcatoids", don't start talking about SEX! I already feel guilty enough for putting the word "politics" in a thread, and thinking about Annette is causing my aging memory thread to start "refreshing". Next thing you know I'll be remembering that 1959 promo picture of Peggy Seeger and..no, no, think pure thoughts.

I know, I'll think of the Three Musketeers instead. Now let me see, weren't their names "Asshole, Porthole, Armistice, and Dartboard?

I promise never to use profanity again on the Mudcat. I'm sorry.

rick

Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers
From: Joe Offer
Date: 19 Apr 99 - 05:32 PM

Hey, maybe we should start a folkie pinup thread. I vote for Carolyn Hester. Oh, YES!!
Be still, my longing heart....
-Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers
From: Rick Fielding
Date: 19 Apr 99 - 05:43 PM

Oh Glory, talk about opening a can of worms? This is one of our problems of course. While more average 18 year old boys were reading Playboy, some of us were ogling album covers. Bonnie Dobson, Barbara Dane!! (and what a voice!)

I have it on good authority that Sandy Paton had a thing for Jenny Lynd.

Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers
From: The Shambles
Date: 19 Apr 99 - 05:44 PM

Rick

Mudcatoids sound painful. Piles in the 'Big Muddy'?

Now you have dragged me back to the real world and I have to imagine my beloved Annette as being as 'wrinkly' as myself, could you inform me of what she is up to these days?

Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers
From: Pete M
Date: 19 Apr 99 - 05:44 PM

Mice??? Fish???? Mud cats are cats that like playing in the mud - I've got two; 'Catters like to Mudcat as LEJ says!

Actually, I'm with you Sandy, just make sure there a lusty wench on top of the hay cart. Death to the Greasy Emininence! If only I could get this kink out of me rapier!

Pete M twirling his moustache

Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers
From: Rick Fielding
Date: 19 Apr 99 - 05:49 PM

The poor lass has been battling M.S. for a number of years and is currently in a "chair".

Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers
From: The Shambles
Date: 19 Apr 99 - 06:05 PM

Rick

I am very sorry too hear that, I had no idea.

My best wishes to her and all those suffering from MS.

Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers
From: Joe Offer
Date: 19 Apr 99 - 06:06 PM

Click here for a Web site devoted to Annette Funicello. I think we were right to have been impressed by her.
-Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers
From: Mark Roffe
Date: 19 Apr 99 - 06:09 PM

She's also got a toy bear business and a perfume business, and made a movie (1995) about her life called A Dream is a Wish Your Heart Makes, also starring Frankie Avalon.

Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers
From: DonMeixner
Date: 19 Apr 99 - 06:33 PM

LEJ

I must then assume that a Mudcat engages in "Mudcattery", a more refined form of "Mudslinging" and this is done in "The Mudcatorium", some hidden alcove in Mudcats home where the afore mentioned "Mudcattery" may take place. "Mudcattery" being the spreading of "Mudcacious" gossip and nittpickery in a "Mudcatorial" manner.

Do I understand this clearly?

Don

Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers
From: The Shambles
Date: 19 Apr 99 - 06:39 PM

NO

Sorry I am having trouble with my mudcatoids.

Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers
From: Banjeray (inactive)
Date: 19 Apr 99 - 06:41 PM

Call me anything you want, just don't call me late for a meal!!

Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers
From: Margo
Date: 20 Apr 99 - 11:01 AM

Hey, Shambles. My husband Jack calls me "womanoid". I'm with you; I'm "oided" out. (Say that out loud, it's funny) (Sounds like we oided out for pizzah)

Last night at song circle I discovered two mudcatters. Hi Jack mostly folk and MAG. We all referred to each other as Mudcatters.

How's Muddy Max and his Madcap Mudcats?

Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers
From: katlaughing
Date: 20 Apr 99 - 11:04 AM

MM & MM, Magarita....I LIKE IT!

Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers
From: Vixen
Date: 20 Apr 99 - 11:14 AM

D'Cats-

I'm still going with "mudcats" for a label, and "mudcatting" for what we do.

I see us as a collection of creative and intelligent individuals. As such, we consume our respective realities, and produce something different, presumably better. Some of us create various forms of music, and some of us create in other ways in our lives--in our professions, in our relationships, whatever.

Mudcats are bottom-feeding scavenging fish that consume their respective realities, producing a flesh that is succulent and tasty.

"give me a fish, I eat for a day; teach me to fish and I never go hungry"

I'm afraid this little philosphical ramble doesn't clearly express what I'm feeling and thinking, but the gist is that I think the Mudcat cafe has a particularly appropriate name at a number of levels, and its patrons/habitues can refer to themselves as mudcats confident they are being accurate, humble, metaphorical, honest, and not taking themselves too seriously!

Proud to be a Mudcat!!!!

V

Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 20 Apr 99 - 11:56 AM

give a man a fish, and he eats for a day;
teach him to fish, and he'll spend the rest of his life in a boat, drinking beer.

Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers
From: catspaw49
Date: 20 Apr 99 - 12:07 PM

...with a #8 over the side going after carp and crappie.

catspaw

Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers
From: LEJ
Date: 20 Apr 99 - 12:18 PM

Give a man a fish and he'll ask his wife to clean it- teach a man to fish and he'll still be hungry but he'll spend the rest of the week bragging about the size of the one that got away.

LEJ

Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers
From: Tony Burns
Date: 20 Apr 99 - 12:39 PM

Annette? Hayley? Hey Paw! Stop living my past!

Folksinger to die for? Jean Ray (sigh ............)

Tony (Mudder of Invention) Burns

Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers
From: Sandy Paton
Date: 20 Apr 99 - 04:50 PM

Actually, Rick, my great heart-throb was Lily Langtry. Named my town after her. Oh, no, that was someone else's saloon, wasn't it? In fact, checking on the spelling of her name, I discovered she died the year I was born! News like that can really make a fellow feel antiquated.

Sandy, climbing back up to the balcony (creak, groan)

Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers
From: Barry Finn
Date: 20 Apr 99 - 05:20 PM

Sandy is that the same Lily that infatuated ROY BEAN, the last law west of the Pecos? There must be a dusty dirt poor song in here somewhere? Barry

Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers
From: Craig
Date: 21 Apr 99 - 12:06 AM

Yeah. When I first say Annette it was all over except the shouting. There's never been another girl for me. In my neck of the woods he was known as Mickey Ousob. It was always wild in my neck of the woods.

Me, I like the Mudder monicker. Sounds pretty slick to me.

Craig

Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers
From: Sandy Paton
Date: 21 Apr 99 - 12:27 AM

Yeah, pardner, but who's afraid of ol' Roy Bean? See you at NEFFA this weekend, Barry?

Sandy

Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 21 Apr 99 - 12:32 AM

Eckshully, for some of us, it's Roy Has-Bean.

Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers
From: katlaughing
Date: 21 Apr 99 - 12:40 AM

Thanks, Craig! Another vote for Mudder!

Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers
From: MudGuard
Date: 21 Apr 99 - 04:15 AM

Aren't Mudcats the animals hunting and eating Mudmice???

And if we chose Mudcats as a name for us, shouldn't it be Mudtomcats for the men, Mudkittens for the children?!

What about Mudchatter? Or does this apply only to those using the chat room?
Andreas

Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers
From: alison
Date: 21 Apr 99 - 04:36 AM

Hi,

My vote still goes for Mudcateers..... we weren't subjected to the kids in the ears like you lot were...... I get images of Gene Kelly swashbuckling his way into the castle, probably while doing a nifty tap routine......

Slainte

alison

Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers
From: Helen
Date: 21 Apr 99 - 04:41 AM

Hi all,

I don't know whether I was the one who first started using the term "Mudcateer" but I know that when the thought occurred to me I had a funny/comic vision of folky-type Musketeers in cyberspace rather than Mouseketeers, although that thought did occur to me later - equally comic image in its own way.

Anyway when I say "Mudcateers" I am intending to be gently humourous and not seriously proposing it as a label, but then again, we get reminded here at Mudcat, time and again, about the diversity of our community so I tend to think that only one label would never be enough for all of us at any one time.

I like Don Meixner's Mud-cabulary very much. Do you think it should be Mudcataciaous rather than Mudcacious?

Helen

Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers
From: Peter Fisher
Date: 21 Apr 99 - 10:33 AM

And then there's the occasional bit of Mudscatology that finds its way into certain threads (not mentioning any names of course).

Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers
From: catspaw49
Date: 21 Apr 99 - 10:39 AM

Well thank you Peter.

catspaw

Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers
From: The Shambles
Date: 21 Apr 99 - 02:04 PM

I suppose I will have to come off the fence. It didn't seem to be a burning question and still isn't but reading Max's post on the things that he has planned, made me think.

He is planning a childrens Mudcat site and it appears to me that for the younger ones at least to be called Mudcateers, might be quite attractive to them?

Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers
From: The Shambles
Date: 21 Apr 99 - 02:50 PM

God! Didn't that sound patronising?

Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers
From: Joe Offer
Date: 21 Apr 99 - 04:15 PM

Yes, very patronizing, Roger. My 20-something kids might be more open to "Mudpunk."
-Joe Offer- (that's the AGE, not the number of my children)

Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers
From: Mudjack
Date: 21 Apr 99 - 04:52 PM

Mudder gets my vote, not like mother but like a cat who wallers in the mud or a race horse who races best in the mud.However when saying it publicly or at a song circle in mixed company, the gentleman I am, I'm compelled to say mudcatter even though I like "MMMudddders" Jack mostly folk mudder.

Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers
From: Sandy Paton
Date: 22 Apr 99 - 02:52 AM

"Mudders" sounds like half a word to me.

Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers
From: Steve Parkes
Date: 22 Apr 99 - 03:23 AM

I find I always refer to 'Catters, but that's cos I'm too idle to type Mudcatters in full: otherwise, Mudcatters gets my vote. Well, at least for us over-21s!

Steve