Mudcatters vs Mudcateers

Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers
From: bbc
Date: 13 Oct 09 - 06:29 AM

It was fun to read it again, kat, particularly the posts by Sandy & Rick. Thanks!

Barbara

Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers
From: Bugsy
Date: 13 Oct 09 - 03:46 AM

As my old Granny used to say:
"Call me whatever you like. Just don't call me late for lunch."

Cheers

Bugsy

Subject: Mudcateers forever!
From: JesseW
Date: 13 Oct 09 - 01:53 AM

I hadn't come across the Mudcateers name before -- and I quite like it... long may the 'cat wave...

Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers
From: Joe_F
Date: 12 Oct 09 - 06:20 PM

One might take the line that there is only one Mudcat, and that we its spawn are Mudkittens; but I forbear.

Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers
From: wysiwyg
Date: 12 Oct 09 - 03:11 PM

Those Mudcat patches would make lovely mouse ears if we had logo'd MudDuctTape to put them on with

~S~

Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers
From: olddude
Date: 12 Oct 09 - 03:08 PM

Lately the term mudslingers is probably ok also

Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers
From: Amos
Date: 12 Oct 09 - 03:02 PM

The link Joe posted to Annette's website is extinct, but for those who yearn for reminders, here's all the Annette you can handle. And here's the lovely Darlene in uniform.

The years have gone along and it seems that Mudcatters or 'Catters has earned the evolutionary advantage as our nominal meme.

M-U-D (Deeeelerious!) C-A-T (Teeeeeeriffic!) H-O-U-S-E!

But I still like the idea of joining Sandy Paton on a balcony, our capes flowing in the wind, drawing our lutes or zithers, and leaping into the musical fray. Sproinnnng! Decapitated capos in all directions. Yeeehaw.



A

Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 12 Oct 09 - 02:51 PM

Maybe because Mudcat as it is now could never sustain a thread like this any more.
Of course there is the other reason; a lot of the posters are now dead, or have been driven away by the naysayers, or other personal reasons.

JM

Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers
From: katlaughing
Date: 12 Oct 09 - 02:21 PM

Refresh Lore of the 'cat


(can't believe this one has never been brought back up!:-)

Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers
From: Peter T.
Date: 28 Apr 99 - 09:10 AM

Cuilionn, please, some of us are in deep mourning for the lost love of our childhood. To paraphrase Francois Villon: "Mais ou sont les souris d'antan?".

Yours, Peter T.

Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers
From: Cuilionn
Date: 27 Apr 99 - 07:08 PM

Cannae resist...tho' tae be sure I'm verra sorry for th' hard luck an' a' what led up tae it...

Regardin' Darlene's coortruim behavior, she's nae country mouse... Almaist tried tae slip th' jury a Mickey. Let's a' gie Disney a roond o' applause, for fosterin' sic a strong sense o' "imagination" amang oor youth. If th' scheme wairks oot, d'ye suppose they'll Minnie-mize her sentence?!?

--Cuilionn, whae's feelin' verra 'Catty th' day...

Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers
From: Peter T.
Date: 27 Apr 99 - 02:07 PM

Copyright © 1999 Nando Media Copyright © 1999 Reuters News Service

LOS ANGELES (March 11, 1999 10:54 p.m. EST http://www.nandotimes.com) - One of TV's original "Mouseketeers," Darlene Gillespie, was sentenced Thursday to two years in prison for securities fraud. But she left court defiant and maintaining her innocence.

"I am innocent and I believe in all my heart that at the end of the road I will be vindicated," Gillespie, 57, said after her sentence for buying with her boyfriend about $800,000 worth of stock with bad checks.

Gillespie -- who was also found guilty of conspiracy relating to the so-called "free-riding" scheme and obstruction of justice -- at trial blamed two stockbrokers and her bookkeeper for the lost money.

Outside court, she alluded again to those claims while blasting U.S. District Judge Lourdes Baird, who presided over her case and handed down the sentence. She also blamed federal prosecutors.

Specifically, she named Assistant U.S. Attorney Jack Weiss, who prosecuted the case, and U.S. Attorney for Los Angeles Nora Manella.

"I hope that Mr. Weiss and the judge and Nora Manella all one day get my broker to handle their affairs," she said. "I did not perjure myself and I did not present knowingly any false documents."

And the red-haired Gillespie, who wore brown velour slacks and a rust-colored jacket with faux-rattlesnake lapels to court, said she would appeal her Dec 11 conviction.

In handing down the prison term, Baird called "very disturbing" Gillespie's willingness to lie under oath and concoct a false defense to the charges.

"I find it very interesting that you were able to go forward and blatantly perjure yourself," the judge said. "You presented a story that was not at all believable. It's sad that you took an oath to tell the truth and then you (lied)."

Gillespie -- an original cast member on the "Mickey Mouse Club" television show which ran from 1954 to 1959 -- was convicted of helping her then-boyfriend Jerry Fraschilla of using closed or overdrawn bank accounts to pay for more than 194,000 shares of stock.

Then, prosecutors said, the pair lied to Securities and Exchange Commission investigators about the scheme.

Fraschilla, 61, who married Gillespie in January, pleaded guilty to similar charges and is currently serving an 18-month prison term.

By DAN WHITCOMB

Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers
From: Peter T.
Date: 27 Apr 99 - 01:56 PM

A net search reveals the following:

Monday, November 30, 1998

THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

LOS ANGELES -- TV fans first got to know Darlene Gillespie as a freckle-face Mouseketeer, described by Disney publicity as having ``more bounce to the ounce than a bottle of a soda pop.''     She was one of the nine original Mouseketeers who appeared in the first season of the ``Mickey Mouse Club'' and stayed for the duration of the show's 1955-1959 run.     Now the 56-year old Gillespie is back in the public eye, with jury selection beginning today for her trial on stock fraud charges. Her fiance has pleaded guilty in the case and been sentenced to prison.     During her first season as a Mouseketeer, Gillespie was featured in her own serial, ``Corky and White Shadow,'' about the Wild West adventures of a girl and her heroic dog.     In George Woolery's book, Children's Television: The First Thirty-Five Years, Gillespie characterized the serial as ``horrendous.''     Mouseketeer Bobby Burgess said Gillespie was delight as a person and a performer.     ``Darlene was so talented, so nice,'' said Burgess, 56, who made a smooth transition from Mouseketeer to dance star on ``The Lawrence Welk Show.''     Burgess, who still makes appearances for Disney and performs with the Welk troupe in Branson, Mo., recalle that in addition to her post-Mouseketeer career as a registered nurse, Gillespie made several attempts to continue in entertainment.       ``In Nashville, she tried to get into country-western as Darlene Valentine,'' Burgess recalled. ``She had the talent. Maybe she didn't have the right agent.''       Gillespie and her fiance, Jerry Fraschilla, were charged in a complex stock fraud scheme that involved ``free riding,'' or the purchase of stock without paying for it, and obstruction of justice.     Fraschilla, 61 pleaded guilty to 2 federal charges and last month was sentenced to 18 months in prison, plus probation. Gillespie faces 14 counts, including conspiracy, securities fraud and obstruction of justice.

    ``The defense issimple. She was one of the victimsrather than one of the perpetrators. We're playing it straight,'' her lawyer, Charles Rondeau, said last week.

During preliminary court appearances, Gillespie has refused to discuss the case or her childhood career.  ``I'd rather not talk about that right now,'' said Gillespie, her polite smile still recalling the girl who once shone in Mickey Mouse ears."

Yours, Peter T.        

Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers
From: DonMeixner
Date: 27 Apr 99 - 12:28 PM

Peter,

I believe that Darlene Gillespie became a Woman body builder. I also believe she fell on some hard times and is doing or has done time or had time probated as a result of those hard times. Thanks for your time this time till next time.

Don

Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers
From: Peter T.
Date: 27 Apr 99 - 10:30 AM

The secret handshake is a new thread !

Yours, Peter T.

Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers
From: Peter T.
Date: 27 Apr 99 - 10:14 AM

I think it is important to return to the thread in this thread (hmmm) about Annette. Here we find a real dividing line (no, not that line) between Annette lovers and Darlene lovers. While Annette was clearly in the extrovert, let it all hang out, dare I say ethnically extravagant category; for others there was a subtler creature on the block. This is perhaps as significant a line as that drawn between the romantic and the classical, Carnival vs. Carnegie Hall, Technicolor vs. black-and-white, the hot versus the cool. The idea that Darlene would star in a beach movie wearing a (shudder) one piece bathing suit is laughable, and how she would have eviscerated Frankie Avalon does not bear dwelling upon. He edges into the obvious question delicately, putting down his cabernet sauvignon: WHAT HAPPENED TO THE GLORIOUS DARLENE??????

Also, again sidestepping the main thread, and adding another problem -- what (as Rick Fielding and I have asked) is the secret Mudcat handshake?

Yours, Peter T.,

Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers
From: katlaughing
Date: 27 Apr 99 - 03:46 AM

Ah....Frank....Anudder Mudder fer "Mudder"! Thanks!

I also like Mudphoaks!

Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers
From: Frank Howe
Date: 26 Apr 99 - 05:29 PM

You have to read this whole thread and then it's clear that "Mudders" is the appropriate name. However when introduced to polite society "M-Cats" should suffice.

Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers
From: LEJ
Date: 26 Apr 99 - 01:10 AM

Great story, Don. Man, I like that technical fishing talk!

Reminds me of the time I was tucked into a tight canyon off the Animas, roll-casting a Royal Wulff into some slack water behind a boulder where a 15"Cutthroat was surface-feeding, up to the thighs of my Hodgmans in water as cold and crystal clear as iced vodka...ah, but I digress...LEJ

Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers
From: DonMeixner
Date: 25 Apr 99 - 10:35 PM

Tucker,

I collect antique fishing tackle and once a year I'd suit up in 1930's kit and hed for the river. This is usually during BullHead(Hornpout for you New Englanders) season when I won't do any harm to the old toys I have. While sitting on a dam in Caughdenoy on the Oneida river I was drinking a local frothy and chatting with my friend Jim when my 19 34 American Fork and Hoe swedged steel rod began to slide along the face of the dam. As I am a man of of action I immediately knew what to do! I said "Jim, Will you hold my beer? I think I have a strike." I picked up the rod with its J.C.Higgins level wind Nickle plated bait caster on board a set the hook, #8 Eagle Claw. What followed was a 45 minute test of will that ended with Jim, holding the extreme end of an 8" net, bent over the face of the dam with his wife sitting on his legs to stop a 15 plunge should things go awry. We landed the Catfish with out further damage to my old tackle or Jims belly.

16 pounds of Mudcat is about as big as your average thigh. We cut it into steaks and barbecued it with Luisianne Sauce and ate it with new potatoes tossed in the coals to cook. Catfish, roasted taters, and steamed collards topped with a Genny Screamer. Middle age doesn't get better than that very often, and when it does my wife has a more integral part.

Don

Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers
From: Tucker
Date: 25 Apr 99 - 07:18 PM

Don, just a wee 16 pounder? I hope ya threw the minnow back in.

Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers
From: Joe Offer
Date: 25 Apr 99 - 02:01 AM

...and the Mudcat Cafe started out as a blues site (catfish and deltas and blues go together, dontchaknow), but Good Old Max also made it a home for us folkies, who kind of overran the place.
-Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers
From: DonMeixner
Date: 25 Apr 99 - 01:10 AM

Mark,

A Mudcat is a local term, Midwest I believe for the river Catfish. They are a bottom feeding fish that is really quite low on the evolutionary scale, So to speak. Simple enough. Be hunting them for 40+ years now, caught one that weighed 16+ pounds once.

Don

Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers
From: Mark Roffe
Date: 24 Apr 99 - 11:58 PM

My son just asked me what a "Mudcat" is, and aside from the stuff about catter vs cateer in this thread, I had to face the fact that I haven't a clue as to where the name Mudcat actually comes from! So tell me (and be nice, remember - I'm passing this information on to a 13 year old) why is the site called the Mudcat Cafe?

Mark

Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers
From: katlaughing
Date: 24 Apr 99 - 11:29 PM

Susan the Chef: will you be serving mud-pies fer us Mudders? If it is soporifically treated mud, will it make us catatonic?

katlaughing, curiously

Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers
From: Susan A-R
Date: 24 Apr 99 - 09:55 PM

I'm gonna be a mudcaterer, bein' a cook. Now I have to remind you that mudders are those clams you dig up that don't have a clam in 'em, just mud, and I don't want to be one of those. That would be catastrophic.

Susan

Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers
From: Tucker
Date: 24 Apr 99 - 12:14 AM

Ah Kat ya do have a sense of humour. LMAO.

Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers
From: katlaughing
Date: 23 Apr 99 - 12:43 AM

Depends on the hours you keep. If they are late, you could be a Tuckered Mudder!

Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers
From: Tucker
Date: 23 Apr 99 - 12:28 AM

If I am accepted around here does that mean I am Mudder Tucker?

Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers
From: Robin McG
Date: 22 Apr 99 - 08:38 PM

Have to agree with Helen and I bet with enough muscat we could all buckle a swash! I never wanted to be Annette, I wanted to be Karen because she got to be with Cubby (remembeer his smile ladies?].

Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers
From: The Shambles
Date: 22 Apr 99 - 05:52 PM

Alison

That took me back to a classic 'Round the Horne' sketch, probably not very PC now though.

They shout "all for one and one for all"... Kenneth Williams in his best 'camp' voice replies "and I'm one".

Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers
From: bbc
Date: 22 Apr 99 - 11:44 AM

It was me, kat! That's the kind of thing that happens when I post to serious threads in the middle of the night!

bbc (always inclusive) :)

Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers
From: katlaughing
Date: 22 Apr 99 - 11:00 AM

I know I read "Mudwhatevers" in another thread. What to do? What to do? I like it, too!

katlaughing, "muddering" to herself

Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers
From: alison
Date: 22 Apr 99 - 06:36 AM

All for one...........

Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers
From: Banjer
Date: 22 Apr 99 - 05:33 AM

Mudcateers...I like it! Just think, some of the more talented among us could even do a parody of the Mouseketeers anthem.
MUDCATEERS, MUDCATEERS, FOREVER MAY OUR WEB-SITE WAVE ON HIGH!
Now it's time to say good night and turn the 'pewter off...etc...
Oh WOW, where can I get my ears? Do they come with the Tee Shirt?
I do think that as a diverse a group as the Mouseketeers were, the comparison is apt, for we also are avery diverse yet closeknit group.

Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers
From: Helen
Date: 22 Apr 99 - 03:42 AM

Hi again,

More thoughts on Mudcateers. I like the Musketeers connection - because we can be swashbuckling fighters for social good when we choose to be (anyone know how to buckle a swash?). Or Mouseketeers because we are all singing, al dancing, all round good entertainers when we choose to be.

And I just misspelled and corrected "muscateers" which is also fairly relevant to most folkies I've ever met. Muscat, in Oz, is an alcoholic drink - like port. So even my misspelling seems appropriate.

Helen

Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers
From: Steve Parkes
Date: 22 Apr 99 - 03:23 AM

I find I always refer to 'Catters, but that's cos I'm too idle to type Mudcatters in full: otherwise, Mudcatters gets my vote. Well, at least for us over-21s!

Steve

Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers
From: Sandy Paton
Date: 22 Apr 99 - 02:52 AM

"Mudders" sounds like half a word to me.

Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers
From: Mudjack
Date: 21 Apr 99 - 04:52 PM

Mudder gets my vote, not like mother but like a cat who wallers in the mud or a race horse who races best in the mud.However when saying it publicly or at a song circle in mixed company, the gentleman I am, I'm compelled to say mudcatter even though I like "MMMudddders" Jack mostly folk mudder.

Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers
From: Joe Offer
Date: 21 Apr 99 - 04:15 PM

Yes, very patronizing, Roger. My 20-something kids might be more open to "Mudpunk."
-Joe Offer- (that's the AGE, not the number of my children)

Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers
From: The Shambles
Date: 21 Apr 99 - 02:50 PM

God! Didn't that sound patronising?

Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers
From: The Shambles
Date: 21 Apr 99 - 02:04 PM

I suppose I will have to come off the fence. It didn't seem to be a burning question and still isn't but reading Max's post on the things that he has planned, made me think.

He is planning a childrens Mudcat site and it appears to me that for the younger ones at least to be called Mudcateers, might be quite attractive to them?

Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers
From: catspaw49
Date: 21 Apr 99 - 10:39 AM

Well thank you Peter.

catspaw

Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers
From: Peter Fisher
Date: 21 Apr 99 - 10:33 AM

And then there's the occasional bit of Mudscatology that finds its way into certain threads (not mentioning any names of course).

Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers
From: Helen
Date: 21 Apr 99 - 04:41 AM

Hi all,

I don't know whether I was the one who first started using the term "Mudcateer" but I know that when the thought occurred to me I had a funny/comic vision of folky-type Musketeers in cyberspace rather than Mouseketeers, although that thought did occur to me later - equally comic image in its own way.

Anyway when I say "Mudcateers" I am intending to be gently humourous and not seriously proposing it as a label, but then again, we get reminded here at Mudcat, time and again, about the diversity of our community so I tend to think that only one label would never be enough for all of us at any one time.

I like Don Meixner's Mud-cabulary very much. Do you think it should be Mudcataciaous rather than Mudcacious?

Helen

Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers
From: alison
Date: 21 Apr 99 - 04:36 AM

Hi,

My vote still goes for Mudcateers..... we weren't subjected to the kids in the ears like you lot were...... I get images of Gene Kelly swashbuckling his way into the castle, probably while doing a nifty tap routine......

Slainte

alison

Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers
From: MudGuard
Date: 21 Apr 99 - 04:15 AM

Aren't Mudcats the animals hunting and eating Mudmice???

And if we chose Mudcats as a name for us, shouldn't it be Mudtomcats for the men, Mudkittens for the children?!

What about Mudchatter? Or does this apply only to those using the chat room?
Andreas

Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers
From: katlaughing
Date: 21 Apr 99 - 12:40 AM

Thanks, Craig! Another vote for Mudder!

Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 21 Apr 99 - 12:32 AM

Eckshully, for some of us, it's Roy Has-Bean.

Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers
From: Sandy Paton
Date: 21 Apr 99 - 12:27 AM

Yeah, pardner, but who's afraid of ol' Roy Bean? See you at NEFFA this weekend, Barry?

Sandy