BS: Why are they leaving the UK?

Subject: RE: BS: Why are they leaving the UK?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 23 Aug 07 - 09:08 AM

People have always emigrated from the UK - that's why places like the USA and Australia are English-speaking.   People leave for all kinds of reasons, basically baecause they think they might have a better life somewhere else, which is the same reason other people come to live here, sometimes from the same countries the emigrants are bound for (eg Spain).

This is a "silly season" story, basically.

Subject: RE: BS: Why are they leaving the UK?
From: The PA
Date: 23 Aug 07 - 06:17 AM

Yep I agree with you Linda, I forgot to say that my son said that they should not let them join the services, the last thing a thug needs is to be allowed to use a gun to take pot shots at someone in another country.
They should just have the training and not be let out until they are 21.
Have to say I agree with him.

Subject: RE: BS: Why are they leaving the UK?
From: Mick Tems
Date: 23 Aug 07 - 05:44 AM

Is it any wonder that the Celtic nations are distancing themselves from England? The Scottish Parliament and Welsh Assembly elections were held this year, which resulted in victory for the Scottish Nationalists and a Sennedd composed of a Plaid Cymru/Labour coalition. In Wales, Labour do not rule any more, thanks to decent, sensible, progressive Plaid Cymru policies. Britain is waking up and shaking off the legacy of the liar and murderer, Big Brother Blair - or, to quote the left-wing songwriter Robb Johnson: "I Still do hate the Tories. Well, to be honest, I didn't think New Labour would be Jerusalem overnight, but I didn't expect it to be quite so awful... just more Thatcherism, only without the handbag."

Subject: RE: BS: Why are they leaving the UK?
From: GUEST,dáithí
Date: 23 Aug 07 - 05:39 AM

Apparently many of those included in the emigration figures are actually foreign nationals returning home, or travelling on after a year or more here.
Also students who spend more than a year abroad are also included.

So the picture is - as usual - more complicated than at first glance. In any event, with a population of around 60 million, is the figure for "transfers" (immigration seems to be around 500k per year) particularly high compared with other countries, I wonder?
D

Subject: RE: BS: Why are they leaving the UK?
From: GUEST,Bruce Michael Baillie
Date: 23 Aug 07 - 05:32 AM

...Right on Linda, I agree with every word!

Subject: RE: BS: Why are they leaving the UK?
From: Linda Kelly
Date: 23 Aug 07 - 04:51 AM

the standard response is national service - we have probably one of the best armies in the world-the last thing you need in an army is someone who is undisciplined and doesn't want to be part of that team-the Army really don't want these kids.What they need is stable homes and a clear sense of what is right and wrong and the consequences of doing wrong -that you will not be eligible for (dependant on severity of their crime) a passport, state benefits, state healthcare or social services-that if you ostracise yourself from socety -society will do the same to you-and that is a lesson everyone should be taught from their first day in school. And families or parents who understand this but do not have the ability to handle their children should be given help-they should have full time mentors in school who are not their for education but purely for pastoral care. And finally, rant over-get rid of the crap on television served up by the self indulgent self destructive drug addled cult of celebrity that has invaded all our lives and which preaches self interest and a quick buck because I frankly am sick of it. We vilify the kids on the street doing drugs and yet have Kate Moss awarded huge contracts from companies because of her cult status -i hope her nose collapses!

Subject: RE: BS: Why are they leaving the UK?
From: stallion
Date: 23 Aug 07 - 04:47 AM

mmmmmmmmm ok, the housing thing, private landlords exorbitant rents propped up by the rent support scheme (why doesn't the gov. poor people 80% of their mortgage repayments like they do to the private landlords?), fuel competition for low cost housing and drive up prices, crime etc. most of the recreation spaces are "brown field" developments. ( In York we have lost two playing fields and the only city centre swimming pool, as I type, is being reduced to rubble to make way for houses and hotel) When I was young, 13 or so, all the kids had a sheath knife hanging from their belt but would never dream of sticking it in anyone. Society in the UK has changed since I was a nipper but I am not sure it is for the worse and I still think it is as safe as many of the western "civilised" societies. So why are the K's leaving? Why did the three billy goats gruff tangle with the troll? The grass looked greener but hey it could have been a mirage or taste so naff it was inedible. Is the educated K's or the illiterate K's ? Tax exiles?> Ask the Captain, I hear Ireland is good to Tax Exiles so much easier to slip in and out of unnoticed (the old six month residency thing) The US has naff wages and naff holidays and boy do you have to work for your money, not like the french eh, now when I was working in France we all knocked off for lunch at 12 30, the brits had to be back at 1pm and when we stopped for 3 o'clock tea break the french guys were just packing up their tables and chairs and starting back to work, we all worked til 7pm and we all got paid the same!

Subject: RE: BS: Why are they leaving the UK?
From: Folkiedave
Date: 23 Aug 07 - 04:20 AM

I spend my time between Spain and the UK.

Some things are much better in Spain.

Somethings are much worse.

I guess it its the same in most countries.

One of the things that is much worse is how the ex-pats - the non- integrated ones - moan about how they left the UK becausae of all the immigrants.

Subject: RE: BS: Why are they leaving the UK?
From: The PA
Date: 23 Aug 07 - 04:11 AM

I know this is not strictly to do with this thread, but after the shooting of an 11 year old in Liverpool last night, I asked my son as a 16 year old what he would do to try and stop all this terrible violence which seems to have taken over our streets - his answer - army training for anyone not at college, in full time education, working, or in an apprenticeship. He said its the only thing that will work. These teenagers are not worried by the police, have no time or respect for teachers or parents and see any form of 'punishment' as something for the friends to admire.

He's no goodie-goodie himself, and has got into his fair share of scrapes but luckily he and his mates knew when to stop. Perhaps its time for those in authority to start seeking a solution elsewhere - try the teenagers ?

Subject: RE: BS: Why are they leaving the UK?
From: Linda Kelly
Date: 22 Aug 07 - 03:35 PM

A lot come back - they go for a lot of reasons and the discover crime is everywhere not just the UK , taxes are higher, services are inadequate and so many go and form ex pat communities and do not intergrate or learn the language. Life is not a bunch of roses anywhere in this global market place-it just seems so where the sun shine.

Subject: RE: BS: Why are they leaving the UK?
From: Megan L
Date: 22 Aug 07 - 02:26 PM

Whit a bunch o whingin auld beggers.

Ye get whit ye luk fur in these past three weeks we went of with the wheelchair. Everyone we met was helpful and pleasent to us. All the young people i know around us are always willing to help hold open a door or haul the chair up some of the awkward slopes where we live. We never get to much sun but we also never get to much rain I wouldn't swap it for anywhere else, mostly what you show people they show you (respect).

Subject: RE: BS: Why are they leaving the UK?
From: GUEST,Shimrod
Date: 22 Aug 07 - 02:11 PM

The UK is currently a selfish, greedy, infantile, ageist society sliding at an accelerating rate into anarchy.

Oh yes, and there are far too many people fighting for inadequate services which are continually being cut and privatised.

We elect the Government, and pay our taxes, and the Government's only priority is facilitating the activities of Big Business.

In 10 to 20 years time those parts of the country which aren't underwater will be covered with millions of shoddy but prohibitively expensive houses and 'wind farms' (which will look like they're doing something to counter global warming but, in fact, will be for the sole purpose of making profits for wind farm manufacturers).

Subject: RE: BS: Why are they leaving the UK?
From: Paco Rabanne
Date: 22 Aug 07 - 12:05 PM

I would echo that last post by The PA. My wife and I have looked into selling up and buggering off to Spain, as like most people who are on the property ladder, the amount of equity in our house is f**cking ridiculous! BUT, if we do sell up it would leave our kids in the lurch as they would have no hope of ever affording their own house if we did a runner.

Subject: RE: BS: Why are they leaving the UK?
From: The PA
Date: 22 Aug 07 - 11:41 AM

A head teachers murderer gets more consideration than his widow and children.
Regular stabbing and shootings involving teenagers.
People getting shot at as they drive along the M40
Cost of living
Tax
Pensions that you work all your life for suddenly disappear.
Probably having to work well after I am 65 just in order to survive.
The elderly who fought and survived two world wars being chucked out of nursing/residential homes when they are too much trouble to look after.

............ I'll just get my suitcase.

Subject: RE: BS: Why are they leaving the UK?
From: Bee
Date: 22 Aug 07 - 10:27 AM

Judging by the BBC house decorating, buying, selling shows I see, it's the horrific price of housing.

Subject: RE: BS: Why are they leaving the UK?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 22 Aug 07 - 10:16 AM

I think Peter Kay is staying. Gordon Kay had some brain damage in an accident but he doesn't think he is French anymore...

Don't know any more Kays. Apart from the catalogue. I think their call centre has been re-located to Mumbai.

:D

Subject: RE: BS: Why are they leaving the UK?
From: Sorcha
Date: 22 Aug 07 - 10:04 AM

Cost of living? Taxes? Embarassing government?

Subject: RE: BS: Why are they leaving the UK?
From: jacqui.c
Date: 22 Aug 07 - 10:03 AM

The only reason I went was because staying would mean not being with Kendall.

Subject: BS: Why are they leaving the UK?
From: pattyClink
Date: 22 Aug 07 - 09:47 AM

Apparently You-Kays are emigrating to greener pastures.

You Kays out there -- what's the deal? Who's leaving, and have you considered it, and why?

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