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The Fox Jumps over the Parson's Gate

Jack Blandiver 26 Aug 07 - 09:20 AM
masato sakurai 26 Aug 07 - 09:52 AM
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The Sandman 26 Aug 07 - 01:50 PM
Jack Blandiver 26 Aug 07 - 02:14 PM
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Giant Folk Eyeball (inactive) 26 Aug 07 - 03:00 PM
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Subject: The Fox Jumps Over the Parson's Gate
From: Jack Blandiver
Date: 26 Aug 07 - 09:20 AM

Put this together in an idle moment...

Peter Bellamy : The Fox Jumps Over the Parson's Gate

Soundtrack taken from Peter Bellamy's long unavailable 1970 album of the same name, the sleeve-notes to which read:

'The Fox Jumps Over the Parson's Gate - Straight from the Bellamy family repertoire. The words from a Randolph Caldecott picture book. 'The tune,' says Peter Bellamy, 'from me mum'. PB was fascinated with this song as a nipper and continues to be so. With justification.'

I wonder, is this the first time Peter's superlative rendition has been united with Randolph Caldecott's inspirational pictures? (The entire book can be viewed on-line at: Randolph Caldecott : The Fox Jumps Over the Parson's Gate (and there was an original 1888 edition avaiale on ebay when I last looked!)


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Subject: RE: The Fox Jumps Over the Parson's Gate
From: masato sakurai
Date: 26 Aug 07 - 09:52 AM

A related thread:

Lyr Req: fox jumped over the parson's gate


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Subject: RE: The Fox Jumps Over the Parson's Gate
From: Jack Blandiver
Date: 26 Aug 07 - 10:16 AM

Thanks for that - the more on this the merrier really


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Subject: RE: The Fox Jumps Over the Parson's Gate
From: The Sandman
Date: 26 Aug 07 - 01:50 PM

Thankyou.
I find it fascinating,that English traditional music,appealed to people with such diverse political opinions,as Ewan Macoll and Peter Bellamy,s parents,[Peter Bellamy,s father was Oswald Mosleys[[British union of Fascists]] deputy,]
It is great to hear this recording again,and compare it to his later more mature singing,thankyou again.


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Subject: RE: The Fox Jumps Over the Parson's Gate
From: Jack Blandiver
Date: 26 Aug 07 - 02:14 PM

Diversity of political opinion accepted (& welcomed) but even so that's a pretty serious claim regarding PB's father; the official version has it that he was a farm foreman in north Norfolk. Is there any way you could verify that?


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Subject: RE: The Fox Jumps Over the Parson's Gate
From: The Sandman
Date: 26 Aug 07 - 02:55 PM

Richard Reynell Bellamy,was Oswald Mosleys last director of propaganda [1940],And was interred during the second world war.
Now if he was not Peters Father, I unreservedly apologise ,but this is what I have always understood,That he was,and that he disapproved of Peter going to art college,.
To my mind this makes Peters immersement in the folk world all the more remarkable,and in no way reflects badly on Peter himself,as he clearly did not share R R Bellamys political convictions.
some years ago I had a conversation with Jenny Bellamy[his wife],we were talking about Peter,and during the conversation, I mentioned Peters fathers political leanings,she showed no surprise[as I would have expected if I had been incorrect]and mentioned what a strict disciplinarian his father was.
Peter Bellamy ,was a performer for whom I have the greatest respect,in fact knowing his background, increased my respect for him ,that he had managed to throw off his upbringing.
I know that if my father had been Mosleys director of propoganda,I would keep quiet about it in the predominantly left wing folk world,and would not mention it on my record covers.


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Subject: RE: The Fox Jumps Over the Parson's Gate
From: Giant Folk Eyeball (inactive)
Date: 26 Aug 07 - 03:00 PM

All the stuff I've read about Bellamy has said he was a Norfolk farm foreman's son. However, even if his dad was Moseley's deputy, it wouldn't necessarily follow that Bellamy shared his views. I certainly don't share my father's political views.

From Karl Dallas' obituary of Peter Bellamy: 'He felt remote from the left-wing concerns of many folk audiences, and his remarkable settings of the Barrackroom Ballads and other lyrics by Rudyard Kipling did nothing to dispel the widely held (and erroneous) view that he was an unreconstructed right-winger. In fact, he was rather apolitical, but his individualism would not permit him to kow-tow to any orthodoxy, of whatever political complexion.'


Cheers

Nigel


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Subject: RE: The Fox Jumps Over the Parson's Gate
From: Abby Sale
Date: 26 Aug 07 - 03:15 PM

It's always a shock to "children of the revival" that farmers tend to be conservative. This tends to be true throughout Europe & North America (and the rest of the world 'far as I know.) I believe the peasants were the last to be dragged into the Soviet system and many Chinese peasants have still not been reeducated. Possibly it has to do with the precarious economic life they lead and the devil you know is better...

Many of the great US source banjo pickers had little to talk about with Pete Seeger besides how to tune the thing or what fingering it was.


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Subject: RE: The Fox Jumps Over the Parson's Gate
From: Jack Blandiver
Date: 26 Aug 07 - 03:29 PM

Fascinating stuff. The current Wikipediea entry on PB says he was a 'right wing folk singer' and in this respect it's worth having a look at what Dick Gaughan has to say about him on his website ( http://www.dickgaughan.co.uk/chain/peter-bellamy.html . Interestingly, PB's settings of Kipling's A Pilgrim's Way and The Land are invariably given a 'left wing' spin in singarounds.

Might I point you to my own performance of The Land at http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=0J_eP5TmBHs - I posted this in the hope of inspiring the uploading of footage of the great man himself; still waiting!


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Subject: RE: The Fox Jumps Over the Parson's Gate
From: The Sandman
Date: 26 Aug 07 - 03:54 PM

Yes,We do not all share our relatives political views,I had a great grandfather who was Disraeli,s chancellor of the exchequer,and an uncle who was Conservative MP for Cheltenham,his sister[ my mother]joined the Communist party as did my father.
My parents would have certainly been executed if Hitler had won the war.
Mosley and R Bellamy were interred for good reason,they were considered a security risk.
I mentioned what I believe to be correct about Peters background,because I could see what I consider to be a false picture,of his environment, entering into the folkworld,this talk about Bellamy family repertoire ,and farm manager can paint a picture of rural idyll,which I dont think is correct.


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Subject: RE: The Fox Jumps Over the Parson's Gate
From: Jack Blandiver
Date: 26 Aug 07 - 04:12 PM

On my mother's side I have a personal body-guard to Queen Victoria & on my father's, the first Communist councillor in Blyth (Northumberland); myself, I can quite happily accomodate both...

The 'Bellamy family repertoire' is surely a tongue-in-cheek comment on provenance, sourcing & 'authenticity' ? And is the rural idyll really at odds with R Bellamy's political convictions?


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Subject: RE: The Fox Jumps Over the Parson's Gate
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 26 Aug 07 - 11:11 PM

That was delightful, Sedayne! Thanks for the video and song.

Two lines from the Caldecott picture books have become part of my family's lore.

1. "What no soap? And so he died."

2. "Twas the Great Panjandrum himself with the little round button on top."


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Subject: RE: The Fox Jumps Over the Parson's Gate
From: pavane
Date: 23 Jul 10 - 10:20 AM

Just found this in the Bodley collection, it is clearly a version of the same song:

(Scroll down the page to see it)

When Bucks a Hunting go

How sweet is the horn that sounds in the morn
When bucks a hunting go
When bucks a hunting go
Whilst all my fancy dwells on Nancy
I'll sing tally ho

The fox jumpt over the hedge so high...
etc.


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Subject: RE: The Fox Jumps Over the Parson's Gate
From: pavane
Date: 23 Jul 10 - 10:23 AM

Sorry, pasted the wrong link. Here is the right one (My Dog and I is rather rude, if you read it)

When Bucks a Hunting go


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Subject: RE: The Fox Jumps Over the Parson's Gate
From: pavane
Date: 23 Jul 10 - 10:31 AM

Sorry, I was beaten to it. Already posted in this thread


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Subject: RE: The Fox Jumps Over the Parson's Gate
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 23 Jul 10 - 02:42 PM

In my Guardian obit of Peter Bellamy, I described him simply as 'the son of a farm bailiff'; but he did tell me himself of his father, whom he described as having been "Mosley's number two of Blackshirts". I did mention tho the framed and mounted cocked hat which hung on his wall of his ancestor Surgeon-Commander Bellamy, who had served with Nelson.

~Michael~


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Subject: RE: The Fox Jumps Over the Parson's Gate
From: Herga Kitty
Date: 23 Jul 10 - 04:26 PM

It was PB and the YT whom I first heard singing this...

I think there was a typo in Dick's posts - surely Peter's father was interned rather than interred for being a security risk?

Kitty


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