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Lyr Req: Lord George? / Lloyd George

Seumas 22 Apr 99 - 05:59 AM
rich-joy 04 Feb 03 - 04:47 AM
GUEST,MCP 04 Feb 03 - 05:03 AM
GUEST,MCP 04 Feb 03 - 05:17 AM
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Pied Piper 04 Feb 03 - 07:05 AM
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Subject: Lloyd George Lyrics
From: Seumas
Date: 22 Apr 99 - 05:59 AM

I remember a line from a song about Lloyd George who introduced the Old Age Pension in the UK. But I'm stuffed if I can recall the title or rest of the lyrics! Anybody know it? The line went something like:

"Oh he took me out of the workhouse, and gave me life that's free. 5 shillings a week for cheating death, That's what Lloyd George gave me."

Cheers

Seumas


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Subject: RE: Lloyd George Lyrics
From: rich-joy
Date: 04 Feb 03 - 04:47 AM

I know Tony Capstick did this on "His Round" LP ...

anyone have the lyrics yet???

Cheers! R-J


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Subject: RE: Lloyd George Lyrics
From: GUEST,MCP
Date: 04 Feb 03 - 05:03 AM

I have these. I'll post in a while.

Mick


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Subject: Lyr Add: LLOYD GEORGE
From: GUEST,MCP
Date: 04 Feb 03 - 05:17 AM

Here they are, source Tony Capstick.

Mick




LLOYD GEORGE

Well, I'd walk from here to Skipton, ten mile o' clarty lane
If I could see him face to face and thank him for his pain.

Chorus:
Cos he took me out o't' workhouse and he give me life that's free
Five shilling a week for cheating death is what Lloyd George gives me


Well he gives me leet and firin' and flour to bake me bread
And tea to mash with every meal and sup until I'm dead.

An' I've nowt to do but thank him and make a cross wi't' pen
Five shilling a week for nowt but that, ay he's the best of men. Ch

Well I don't know much about politics but I do love that lord
For he spends his savings like a king when other folks is lowered

And I know lots of old fellers who are past their seventieth year
Lloyd George he addles brass for them to buy a sup o' beer. Ch

Well if my old man were here today he'd say that I spoke true
Though he never liked them Liberal lot and he alla's voted Blue.

But t'parson's wife she telt me that soon we're going to't' poll
Oh, I hope she's right I'll vote for him wi' all me heart and soul. Ch

Well I don't know weer he comes from, 'appen it's down Leeds way
But every neet and morning for his long life I'll pray. Ch


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Subject: RE: Lloyd George Lyrics
From: GUEST
Date: 04 Feb 03 - 05:22 AM

Only because Sir Winston Churchill pushed for a system of pension, spurred by concern over the lack of benefits given to his nurse/nanny.


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Subject: RE: Lloyd George Lyrics
From: rich-joy
Date: 04 Feb 03 - 05:25 AM

Huzzah Mudcat!!!

Thanks (yet again) Mick - and so quick too!! Much appreciated.

Cheers! R-J


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Subject: Tune Add: LLOYD GEORGE
From: GUEST,MCP
Date: 04 Feb 03 - 06:57 AM

Thanks r-j. And here's the tune as I remember it (it's probably over 20 years since I last heard it, but this is certainly very close).

Mick



X: 1
T:Lloyd George
M:4/4
L:1/4
S:Tony Capstick
K:G
"Chorus"
G/ A/|B d d B|B< A- A
w:Cos he took me out o't' work-house_
G/ A/|B d d B|A3
w:and he give me life that's free
G|B/ B/ d d d|e c c
w:Five shill-ing a week for cheat-ing death
c|B d (c/B/) A|G3||
w:is what Lloyd George_ gives me
"Verse"
G/ A/|B d d B|B A2
w:Well he gives me leet and fir-in'
G|B d d B|A3
w:and flour to bake me bread
G|B> d d d|e c c
w:And tea to mash with every meal
c|B d d B|A3
w:and sup un-til I'm dead.
G/ A/|B d d B|B A2
w:An' I've nowt to do but thank him
G|B d d B|A3
w:and make a cross wi't' pen
G|B/ B/ d d d|e c c
w:Five shill-ing a week for nowt but that
c|B> d B A|G3||
w:ay he's the best of men


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Subject: RE: Lloyd George Lyrics
From: Pied Piper
Date: 04 Feb 03 - 07:05 AM

To the tune of "Onward Cristian Soldiers"

Lloyd George new my father
Father new Lloyd George
Lloyd George new my father
Father new Lloyd George.......

PP


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Subject: Lyr Add: LORD GEORGE (F. W. Moorman)
From: bradfordian
Date: 04 Feb 03 - 07:45 AM

And in the original dialect here
Brad. :o)
Lyrics copy-pasted from the link cited above.
-Joe Offer-

Lord George


These verses were written soon after the Old Age Pensions Bill came into operation.

I'd walk frae here to Skipton,
    Ten mile o' clarty lanes,
If I might see him face to face
    An' thank him for his pains.
He's ta'en me out o' t' Bastile,
    He's gi'en me life that's free:
Five shill'n a week for fuglin' Death
    Is what Lord George gives me.

He gives me leet an' firin',
    An' flour to bak i' t' yoon.
I've tea to mesh for ivery meal
    An' sup all t' afternoon.
I've nowt to do but thank him,
    An' mak' a cross wi' t' pen;
Five shillin' a week for nobbut that!
    Gow! he's the jewel o' men.

I niver mell on pol'tics,
    But I do love a lord;
He spends his savin's like a king,
    Wheer other fowks 'll hoard.
I know a vast o' widdies
    That's seen their seventieth year;
Lord George, he addles brass for all,
    Though lots on 't goes for beer.

If my owd man were livin',
    He'd say as I spak true;
He couldn't thole them yallow Rads,
    But awlus voted blue.
An' parson's wife, shoo telled me
    That we'll sooin go to t' poll;
I hope shoo's reight; I'll vote for George,
    Wi' all my heart an' soul.

I don't know wheer he springs frae,
    Happen it's down Leeds way;
But ivery neet an' mornin'
    For his lang life I pray.
He's ta'en me out o' t' Bastile,
    He's gi'en me life that's free:
Five shill'n a week for fuglin' Death
    Is what Lord George gives me.




Notes (arranged alphabetically)


Addles brass : earns money
Bastile : workhouse (M), (allusion to the French Bastille )
Clarty : muddy (M)
Five shillin' (shill'n) : five shillings (20 shillings = one pound)
Fuglin' : cheating (M)
Leet an' firin' : lighting and heating costs (coal fire)
Mell on : meddle with
Mesh : mash, brew
Thole : endure, suffer
Vast : a vast number, a lot
Widdies : widows
Yallow Rads : yellow Radicals: Liberals
Yoon : oven (M)



Explanations marked (M) are from Professor Moorman's original footnotes. Wherever possible, meanings have been checked in Dr Arnold Kellet's The Yorkshire Dictionary of Dialect, Tradition and Folklore, The Chambers Dictionary, and The Oxford English Dictionary. We have attempted at all times to be guided by context and to convey all probable intended meanings. We have not explained those words which differ only slightly in pronunciation and spelling from modern standard English.



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Subject: RE: Lloyd George Lyrics
From: rich-joy
Date: 05 Feb 03 - 02:01 AM

thanks 'catters!

do they have a known author?

cheers! R-J


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Subject: RE: Lloyd George Lyrics
From: Lyndi-loo
Date: 05 Feb 03 - 06:36 AM

Lloyd Geoge knew my father; thank God he didn't know my mother!


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Subject: RE: Lloyd George Lyrics
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 06 Feb 03 - 04:04 AM

Lyndi-loo: Sorry to disappoint you, but the version quoted by Pied Piper above is often longer.

To the tune of "Onward Cristian Soldiers"

Lloyd George knew my father
Father knew Lloyd George
Lloyd George knew my father
Father knew Lloyd George
Lloyd George knew my father
Father knew Lloyd George
Lloyd George knew my Mother
I look like Lloyd George...

Nigel


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Subject: RE: Lloyd George Lyrics
From: Snuffy
Date: 06 Feb 03 - 09:04 AM

Geoff Higginbotham recorded it on The Levenshulme Triangle


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Subject: RE: Lloyd George Lyrics
From: Joe_F
Date: 06 Feb 03 - 07:16 PM

So there *is* a bawdy version of "Lloyd George Knows My Father"! When I was at Caltech in the 1950s, it was sung at every sufficiently drunken party, but with "father" all the way thru. There, I was confidently told that the knowledge mentioned was carnal.

Much later, I read somewhere that in Britain the song was affectionate & was meant to imply that Lloyd George was a man of the people. It somehow found its way to the U.S., where its origin was forgotten, and was popular (I was told) among Girl Scouts. Some college student must have come up with the notion that it was obscene.

I am astonished that this curious song seems not to have been previously discussed on the Mudcat.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Lloyd George
From: Phil Edwards
Date: 28 Jan 09 - 09:41 AM

What's this then? It's a live recording of Tony Capstick singing Lloyd George (the '5/- a week' song), which the poster seems to think is from ...Does a Turn_ - which it ain't. Anyone know where this is from, or who 'pinknblues1' might be when he's at home?


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Lloyd George
From: Phil Edwards
Date: 28 Jan 09 - 09:42 AM

Oops. I meant to say, what's this then?


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Lloyd George
From: r.padgett
Date: 28 Jan 09 - 12:17 PM

Not sure where this was actually recorded but was a TC favourite

The tune is unofficially attributed to Walter Greaves the armed blacksmith and racing cyclist ~ there is a thread on here somewhere re Walter

Its on yorkshirefolksong.net obviously! sung by the much missed Richard Wastling

pinkandblues1 is a nickname for a chap on youtube who I think comes from Australia, who must have posted something on the youtube website

Ray


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Lloyd George
From: GUEST,rossmcl177
Date: 07 Feb 09 - 12:40 AM

pinknblkues1 is a very friendly guy - I am the one who wrote to him on youtube and requested that he post this song! He had posted some other Capstick stuff, but I remembered this song from my youth, so I wrote to him asking if he had it and if so would he post it. He sent me back a really nice message straight away, and did post the song - very friendly nice guy. I wish someone knew who wrote the song though. :)


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Lloyd George
From: Phil Edwards
Date: 07 Feb 09 - 04:56 AM

Ross - the 'Professor Moorman' referred to in the notes is the author. Here's the title page & foreword of the book it appears in:

SONGS OF THE RIDINGS

BY

F. W. MOORMAN

EDITOR OF "YORKSHIRE DIALECT POEMS, 1673-1915'

LONDON

ELKIN MATHEWS, CORK STREET
1918


I DEDICATE
THIS VOLUME TO THE
YORKSHIRE MEMBERS OF THE
WORKERS' EDUCATIONAL
ASSOCIATION

PREFACE

ABOUT two years ago I published a collection of Yorkshire dialect poems, chosen from many authors and extending over a period of two
hundred and fifty years. The volume was well received, and there are abundant signs that the interest in dialect literature is steadily growing in all parts of the county and beyond its borders.
What is most encouraging is to find that the book has found an entrance into the homes of Yorkshire peasants and artisans where the works of our great national poets are unknown. I now essay
the more venturesome task of publishing dialect verses of my own. Most of the poems contained in this little volume have appeared, anonymously, in the Yorkshire press, and I have now decided to reissue them in book form and with my name on the title-page.
[endquote]

Found here.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Lloyd George
From: GUEST
Date: 07 Feb 09 - 02:46 PM

oh i c. that's great - thankyou pip,
and I see someone has rcently put another version of the song on youtube. It's the same recording of Cappstick singing it, but the video is a bit more imaginative, showing pictures of Lloyd George etc. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGBm7_VKtw4   
:-)

rm


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Lloyd George
From: goatfell
Date: 07 Feb 09 - 03:05 PM

my dad used to sing that song about Llyod Geroge knowing my father


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Lloyd George
From: Steve Gardham
Date: 07 Feb 09 - 04:39 PM

Both 'Lord George' and 'The Dalesman's Litany' by F W Moorman are on the Yorkshire Garland website with recordings by Rick Wastling and Ray Padgett, full texts and scores, and full histories/provenances. They were never part of the old oral tradition but have become a very important part of the folk scene tradition.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Lord George / Lloyd George
From: GUEST,Al's Wife
Date: 24 Nov 10 - 10:12 PM

Joe -- You say you were at Caltech in the 50s. Fleming? Is your name a homonym for Richard F?

Lloyd George knew his father too!


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Lord George / Lloyd George
From: GUEST,padgett sans cookie
Date: 25 Nov 10 - 04:22 AM

Tune was I thought put to it by the one armed blacksmith from Dewsbury, Walter Greaves who was also a keen cyclist

I had a little "discussion" with Ray Hearne about the tune which he has used for one of his songs (tune he got from TCs recording of Lloyd George)

Didnt know Winny had anything to do with the OAP 5 shilling a week for men over 70 The Act was 1908 payable from Jan 1st 1909 for the record

Ray


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