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Pacific Northwest Folklore Society

GUEST,guest - pnw folkie 13 Sep 07 - 07:15 PM
open mike 13 Sep 07 - 07:53 PM
mg 13 Sep 07 - 09:11 PM
GUEST 13 Sep 07 - 09:21 PM
GUEST, #2 13 Sep 07 - 09:26 PM
johnross 13 Sep 07 - 09:33 PM
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Bill D 13 Sep 07 - 11:19 PM
Deckman 13 Sep 07 - 11:28 PM
GUEST,guest - pnw folkie 13 Sep 07 - 11:39 PM
Acme 13 Sep 07 - 11:49 PM
Jon Bartlett 14 Sep 07 - 01:48 AM
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Deckman 14 Sep 07 - 01:45 PM
rangeroger 15 Sep 07 - 02:20 AM
GUEST 17 Sep 07 - 03:13 AM
MartinRyan 17 Sep 07 - 06:30 AM
Acme 17 Sep 07 - 10:41 AM
GUEST,Martin Ryan 17 Sep 07 - 11:56 AM
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Subject: Pacific Northwest Folklore Society
From: GUEST,guest - pnw folkie
Date: 13 Sep 07 - 07:15 PM

The Pacific Northwest Folklore Society was founded in 1953,
but now has a new presence on the web

Check it out!


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Subject: RE: Pacific Northwest Folklore Society
From: open mike
Date: 13 Sep 07 - 07:53 PM

and check out their upcoming concert....
featuring two illustrious mudcatters..

Sunday, October 14, 2pm
DON FIRTH & BOB NELSON IN CONCERT AGAIN.
Don and Bob first met in 1953, and over the years have
performed at many coffee houses, nightclubs, and concerts
in Seattle and San Francisco. And most of all ...
they remain loyal friends!
Come for an afternoon of folk songs and stories.
Central Lutheran Church, 1710 11th Ave. 2pm,
$10, kids half price


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Subject: RE: Pacific Northwest Folklore Society
From: mg
Date: 13 Sep 07 - 09:11 PM

Cool. I had not heard of it but it is a great idea...mg


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Subject: RE: Pacific Northwest Folklore Society
From: GUEST
Date: 13 Sep 07 - 09:21 PM

Is the 10 dollars IRS tax-deductable if it is made out to the Christ Luthern Church?


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Subject: RE: Pacific Northwest Folklore Society
From: GUEST, #2
Date: 13 Sep 07 - 09:26 PM

Nope. The church doesn't get the money. It's just the venue. It's a favorite place to perform for many early music groups (lutenists, madrigal singers, etc.) because the accoustics are so good.


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Subject: RE: Pacific Northwest Folklore Society
From: johnross
Date: 13 Sep 07 - 09:33 PM

Interesting that this seems to be an entirely anonymous enterprise...no names, no contact except an untraceable e-mail address.

The events and records promoted on that site are all quite admirable and worthy of support, but somehow the whole thing would be a lot more credible if the responsible parties made themselves more visible.


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Subject: RE: Pacific Northwest Folklore Society
From: GUEST,guest - pnw folkie
Date: 13 Sep 07 - 10:40 PM

"the whole thing would be a lot more credible if the responsible parties made themselves more visible. "

heck, there's even a picture of us.
what more do you want?


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Subject: RE: Pacific Northwest Folklore Society
From: GUEST,.gargoyle
Date: 13 Sep 07 - 11:09 PM

WHY???? Is a USA tax-exempt organization (LUTHERN CHURCH)permiting a profit making organization BMWFSto solicit donations within their "TAX FREE" peramiters....

Looks like an IRS investigation to me!!!!

Sincerely,
Gargoyle


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Subject: RE: Pacific Northwest Folklore Society
From: Bill D
Date: 13 Sep 07 - 11:19 PM

"heck, there's even a picture of us.
what more do you want?"

There's not a picture if one is using the Opera browser. I see only colored rectangles and a little text at the bottom, unless I open Firefox. (I do NOT use I.E.)

(the links at the left work, but there is nothing to tell me what I am clicking on)


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Subject: RE: Pacific Northwest Folklore Society
From: Deckman
Date: 13 Sep 07 - 11:28 PM

I thought that Michael Coonyes article was facitnating. Bob


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Subject: RE: Pacific Northwest Folklore Society
From: GUEST,guest - pnw folkie
Date: 13 Sep 07 - 11:39 PM

click on About PNWFS on the home page
then click on Some of our members
and you should get this


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Subject: RE: Pacific Northwest Folklore Society
From: Acme
Date: 13 Sep 07 - 11:49 PM

I see my Dad, and a couple of shots of Bob Nelson, and a couple of Julie Sakahara, but I don't know all of them by any means. Photos don't imply endorsement--I think John Ross is correct--if it is a legitimate group it needs a little more transparency regarding the setup.

SRS


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Subject: RE: Pacific Northwest Folklore Society
From: Jon Bartlett
Date: 14 Sep 07 - 01:48 AM

I see Frank Ferrel and a couple of John Ashford... hey, this is like Where's Waldo!

Seriously: what's the remit of the Society? Does it include BC? or Oregon? or...? Is is performance-oriented, is it academically minded?

Jon Bartlett


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Subject: RE: Pacific Northwest Folklore Society
From: GUEST, #2
Date: 14 Sep 07 - 12:13 PM

No, Gargoyle. The church is not sponsoring the concert, nor is it receiving any of the proceeds, not even a rental fee for the use of the space. It is a community service of the church.


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Subject: RE: Pacific Northwest Folklore Society
From: GUEST,guest - pnw folkie
Date: 14 Sep 07 - 12:34 PM

"Where's Waldo"?
so far we have John Dwyer, Bob Nelson, Julie Sakahara, Frank Ferrel, and John Ashford. that's a good start. how about the others?

"what's the remit of the Society?"
well, it includes Oregon, Washington, BC, and even Alaska - all in the northwest and on the Pacific coast.

"Is it performance-oriented, is it academically minded?"
PNWFS only has a presence on the web at this point. we will promote performances and other events that relate to the folklore of the pacific northwest through traditional and 'in the tradition' songs and music by listing them on our web site. we have no plans to produce any performances ourselves. we do seek to collect folklore of the pnw, such as recordings, historical accounts, pictures, folk songs and other music, and will share this material through our web site. our web site is new, and will evolve and grow in the future to meet those aims. all of this requires little or no money, just the interest of a few people who care about the folklore of the pnw. therefore, we will have no fundraising, membership drives, costly print publications, offices or other facilities to maintain, or egos to inflate. it's all pretty simple. after all, that's what folk music is about isn't it?


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Subject: RE: Pacific Northwest Folklore Society
From: Deckman
Date: 14 Sep 07 - 01:45 PM

This will NEVER NEVER fly! It's way to simple! Bob(deckman)Nelson


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Subject: RE: Pacific Northwest Folklore Society
From: rangeroger
Date: 15 Sep 07 - 02:20 AM

Damn! Didn't see Idaho on the list. Guess I have to keep playing with myself.
Unless I can find Kendal's Llama.

rr


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Subject: RE: Pacific Northwest Folklore Society
From: GUEST
Date: 17 Sep 07 - 03:13 AM

Isn't the point of this Folk Music, not who is or isn't Pacific northwest?
This discoussion got off track before it got going.
I would rather see a discussion of the aims and intents of this Pacific Northwest Folk Music Society far more than care who has formed it. I don't think anyone is in it to get rich or sabotage whatever.
Obivously, the PNFMS cares about the music of the region. I suppose if someone comes in and wants to talk about a song about an area in New York State, that probably wouldn't fit, but if someone comes in with a song from British Columbia or Alaska or Idaho, I suspect that would be acceptable.
Somehow there seems to have been a lot of hostility raised by this and I don't get it.
mj


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Subject: RE: Pacific Northwest Folklore Society
From: MartinRyan
Date: 17 Sep 07 - 06:30 AM

Love the idea of a "John Ross" being concerned about the Northwest!

Regards


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Subject: RE: Pacific Northwest Folklore Society
From: Acme
Date: 17 Sep 07 - 10:41 AM

Fortunately, the Cherokee Chief John Ross didn't hold the patent on the name.

I don't think there is hostility, but healthy skepticism. This looks like it is hosted in the extremely tenuous and volatile venue of someone's home Internet account. And a photo is just that--a photo. A nice glance back at people who may have established a group decades ago before the Internet was even an idea, many of whom are moved on or deceased. So that doesn't work as a form of validation.

If there is an organized group called the Pacific Northwest Folklore Society, separate from the various Seattle Folklore and Song Circle groups, it needs to make itself more distinctly separate and needs a more durable foundation than what may be a hobby for someone with an Internet account. This isn't meant to damn with faint praise or question the intent of whoever PNW folkie is (who is that, anyway? Someone I know? Pardon the query if everyone else knows but me.) Reviving an older but now defunct group may be a pleasant look back, but is there work that this group needs to do that someone else isn't already doing?

Maggie Dwyer


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Subject: RE: Pacific Northwest Folklore Society
From: GUEST,Martin Ryan
Date: 17 Sep 07 - 11:56 AM

I was thinking of an even more magnetic personality...

Regards


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Subject: RE: Pacific Northwest Folklore Society
From: GUEST,Emjay
Date: 17 Sep 07 - 12:48 PM

I posted above, and didn't realize until I looked agsain at this thread, that my cookie must have expired. I'll take care of that.
mj


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Subject: RE: Pacific Northwest Folklore Society
From: johnross
Date: 17 Sep 07 - 02:12 PM

Excuse me? There have been a lot of people using my name (or me theirs) over the last two or three hundred years. But I come by it as honestly as any of them: the John Ross after whom the Ross Ice Shelf was named, or the one who was married to Betsy Ross the flag maker, or the journalist who writes about Mexican politics, let alone the leader of the Cherokees, to name just a few.

And considering that I have been active in the folk music communities of the Pacific Northwest for about 35 years, I don't understand why Martin Ryan should think my interest should be worthy of any comment. What the @#$%! are you talking about, Mr. Ryan?

As for the PNW Folklore Society, Maggie D and I are on the same page. Why the mystery? Why not identify the people behind the web site, and any other projects the group is planning or supporting? As others have noted in this thread, there just isn't enough information on the web site to know whether or not to take it seriously.


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Subject: RE: Pacific Northwest Folklore Society
From: GUEST,guest - pnwfs folkie
Date: 17 Sep 07 - 03:25 PM

"Isn't the point of this Folk Music, not who is or isn't Pacific northwest?"

Yes, that's what we think. There are many valid and serious web sites without an individual's name attached. You are right, this is from a home computer - why spend a lot of money on a commercial site when we can do it for free? Does that give it less validity? We don't think so. As to who we are - some of us were founding members of the PNWFS back in 1953, others are more recent to the folk music scene here.

There are other organizations here involved in folk music here. However, they have gravitated to the singer-songwriter genre, away from their traditional roots. Now that may not be bad - there are some very talented musicians coming here to sing the songs they have written just yesterday or perhaps a year or two ago, but that's not the traditional music we're trying to promote and preserve. There are local folk musicians from this area, some passed on, some aging (aren't we all), whose music will soon be forgotten if there isn't a group to keep it alive and to grow the tradition.

We would like to be responsive to those who visit our web site. At this point we can list concerts and other events, and recording, which relate to the musical traditions and folklore of the Pacicific Northwest. We would like to expand this in the future to posting some songs unique to the PNW, perhaps with a few mp3 files (our storage capicity is not that large yet); and perhaps some historical accounts of the folk musci scene in the PNW. And we will try to answer all enquires through our email address (I am still waiting to receive an answer to my email directed several weeks ago to the info@ addy of another organization's large impressive web site).

In short, I think our web site and organization will be validated in time over what we do, rather than who we are.

And I object to a certain ill-tempered remark ("What the @#$%! are you talking about, Mr. Ryan") to a good gentleman and friend of mine in Ireland. As Emjay said, "Somehow there seems to have been a lot of hostility raised by this and I don't get it." We're obviously not in it to get rich (we're not selling anything), nor to sabotage anyone's organization or to inflate our own egos.

Peace


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Subject: RE: Pacific Northwest Folklore Society
From: David Ingerson
Date: 17 Sep 07 - 03:44 PM

As someone who has organized folk singing events in the Pacific Northwest--mostly in the Portland area--for over 25 years, let me add my two cents.

I share some of the above-stated skepticism, but would like to welcome and encourage whoever you are. The more people involved in this tenuous movement, the better.

So, go for it. Make some good stuff happen. You have my support.

But I just can't help being more than a little curious as to why you are so reticent about revealing who you are. I guess, unfortunately, that has become an issue. Too bad. It is a side issue, I suppose.

At any rate, I'd love to see your energy blossom into some good things for the folk singing movement.

Cheers,

David


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Subject: RE: Pacific Northwest Folklore Society
From: GUEST,guest - pnw folkie
Date: 17 Sep 07 - 05:17 PM

David, thanks for your kind remarks.
I'll see you in a few weeks,
and all will be revealed,
to you at least.

pnw folkie


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Subject: RE: Pacific Northwest Folklore Society
From: MartinRyan
Date: 17 Sep 07 - 05:59 PM

My comments should be interpreted, depending on your inclination, as deviation - or should that be variation ?

Regards
p.s. just my threepence worth.


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Subject: RE: Pacific Northwest Folklore Society
From: Acme
Date: 17 Sep 07 - 07:23 PM

Why all of the secrecy? It doesn't bode well for the "organization" if you are simply putting up a few pages and historic images, not saying who is behind it, and hinting at greater things. There are established places that will host pages for small groups, there are free sites that will host pages for small groups. Having something that is not in the hands of a single individual but has some group oversight would be a good start. Who else is involved, or are you using a royal "We?"

SRS


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Subject: RE: Pacific Northwest Folklore Society
From: GUEST,mg
Date: 17 Sep 07 - 07:54 PM

I definitely see a need..especially if it is osmewhat interactive. mg


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Subject: RE: Pacific Northwest Folklore Society
From: GUEST,guest - pnwfs folkie
Date: 17 Sep 07 - 09:06 PM

"I definitely see a need..especially if it is osmewhat interactive."

Just email us and we'll respond.


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Subject: RE: Pacific Northwest Folklore Society
From: open mike
Date: 18 Sep 07 - 03:22 PM

will the PNWFS be represented at the folk alliance conference in
vancouver in november? This would be a great way to make your virtual
presence, well, ....actual.


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Subject: RE: Pacific Northwest Folklore Society
From: GUEST,guest - pnw folkie
Date: 18 Sep 07 - 03:35 PM

hmmm....
interesting question

pnw folkie


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Subject: RE: Pacific Northwest Folklore Society
From: GUEST,mg
Date: 18 Sep 07 - 06:25 PM

I do think we need a forum specifically for PNW...and here is a scoop..I think there is going to be a maritime workshop/concert in Ilwaco on October 27. Put on by Parks Department. Cape Disappointment Lighthouse perhaps? I am excited it will be on this side of the river. I think a concert will be in Maritime Museum in Astoria in the evening though.

Things like this..the camps (don't forget Sunnycamp Sept. 28 to 30..I am not really announcing it too much this year..partially lack of time and partially it is winding down as this is the last year but come for any period of time and we will charge accordingly but only $55 for whole weekend).

I also like the idea of making lyrics and perhaps downloads?? available. I have a bunch of my songs on a CD..just me singing into a mike at KBOO..nothing to listen to partiuclary other than to get the tunes..but you could put stuff like that up there...there is lots of stuff from folklife workshops etc. about PNW. Jon P. has collected quite a bit I believe as have others from various camps etc.   mg


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Subject: RE: Pacific Northwest Folklore Society
From: GUEST,guest - pnw folkie
Date: 18 Sep 07 - 06:32 PM

Hi Mary,

All good ideas. I'll see you in a few weeks and we can talk more about this. Also, tell me more about the maritime workshop/concert.

pnw folkie


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Subject: RE: Pacific Northwest Folklore Society
From: GUEST,mg
Date: 18 Sep 07 - 07:53 PM

I do not have more information yet..I just talked to the organizer at Parks Department today. He should be at Sunnycamp Friday evening. We shouldn't probably post it until there is a definite statement from him. I am hoping this will expand next year and be the whole weekend and include various workshops etc. And a few Fisher Poets etc. It should be held int eh Lewis and Clark new interpretive center, which is very nice. mg


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Subject: RE: Pacific Northwest Folklore Society
From: GUEST,guest - pnw folkie
Date: 19 Sep 07 - 08:10 PM

just talked to the head of another major folk music
organization here. there's no reason why
we can't join forces and together promote
"traditional music and folklore" in the region.
in fact we probably will.

if you haven't figured out who we (pnwfs) are yet,
either you're not from around here,
or you don't know the major players,
or you haven't tried,
but you should.

stay tuned, and we will reveal all,
soon.

pnw folkie


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Subject: RE: Pacific Northwest Folklore Society
From: Acme
Date: 20 Sep 07 - 12:06 AM

I haven't tried. I get a bit annoyed at apparently needless mysteries that require an extra effort when none should be necessary. Why don't you send me a PM under your real Mudcat name, or send an email. If you're a regular player in Seattle, you should know how to get my email address. Don or Bob or Jean or Stew or . . .

SRS


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Subject: RE: Pacific Northwest Folklore Society
From: GUEST,doc.tom
Date: 20 Sep 07 - 04:05 AM

Wow! What a fascinating thread. You guys are almost as suspicious, cynical and bitchy as us Brits. Give Jeff Warner our love when he does PNWFS in October.

Tom & Barbara


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Subject: RE: Pacific Northwest Folklore Society
From: GUEST,guest - pnw folkie
Date: 20 Sep 07 - 05:54 PM

to SRS

maybe...

to Tom & Barbara
we'll do that.
looking forward to meeting Jeff.

pnw folkie


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Subject: RE: Pacific Northwest Folklore Society
From: Acme
Date: 20 Sep 07 - 10:25 PM

Thanks.


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Subject: RE: Pacific Northwest Folklore Society
From: Acme
Date: 21 Sep 07 - 07:02 PM

You'll never get the Google hits you want operating from a home computer. A search on Pacific Northwest Folklore Society gets one true hit--here at Mudcat.

Did you put in any metalanguage at all?

SRS


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Subject: RE: Pacific Northwest Folklore Society
From: Acme
Date: 22 Sep 07 - 01:19 AM

Should have said "personal account." I think browsers tend to overlook "comcast.com" and "aol.com" and "earthlink.net" etc pages.


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Subject: RE: Pacific Northwest Folklore Society
From: Stewart
Date: 04 Oct 07 - 12:57 AM

The Pacific Northwest Folklore Society
consists of
Stewart Hendrickson
Bob "Deckman" Nelson
Don Firth
and any others who
want to be involved

In the future I plan to put up a better web site
In the meantime I have just posted some interesting
archival material from Bob Nelson's collection
including some old posters of folk music events in Seattle
There's much more to put up as things get sorted out.

Go to Pacific Northwest Folklore Society
and click on Historical Archives

Cheers, S. in Seattle


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Subject: RE: Pacific Northwest Folklore Society
From: Deckman
Date: 04 Oct 07 - 08:21 AM

These posters really bring back some memories of what a vibrant and exciting place Seattle was in the 50's and 60's. Starting with the sponsorship of the Pacific Northwest Folklore Society in 1953, we had everyone who was anyone come through town: Pete Seeger, Sonny Terry, Guy Carawan, Walt Robertson, Bob Gobson, Bob Camp, Jesse Fuller, Roy Guest, on and on! These traveling "giants" would stay in town for several days and the hoots were awesome. They all had a strong influence on us "locals." Such times! CHEERS, Bob(deckman)Nelson


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Subject: RE: Pacific Northwest Folklore Society
From: Stewart
Date: 08 Oct 07 - 08:15 PM

The web site
Pacific Northwest Folklore Society
has just been updated
with some old posters on
Historical Archives
and some mp3 files on
MP3 Files

This is a project "in progress"
so stay tuned for more

Cheers, S. in Seattle


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Subject: RE: Pacific Northwest Folklore Society
From: Stewart
Date: 08 Oct 07 - 08:22 PM

The Pacific Northwest Folklore Society is sponsoring two concerts coming up soon.

Sunday, October 14
DON FIRTH & BOB NELSON IN CONCERT AGAIN. Don and Bob first met in 1953, and over the years have performed at many coffee houses, nightclubs, and concerts in Seattle and San Francisco. And most of all ... they remain loyal friends! Come for an afternoon of folk songs and stories. Central Lutheran Church, 1710 11th Ave, Seattle. 2pm, $10, kids half price. Info/reservations: stolaf.edu/people/hend/bobnelson.html

Sunday, October 21
JEFF WARNER HOUSE CONCERT. North Seattle (Broadview Neighborhood). Jeff Warner, an award-winning folklorist from Portsmouth, NH, presents a program of music, songs and stories. The concert will be followed by a potluck supper and a 'hoot' (bring instruments). 3pm, $10 suggested donation. Info/reservations: jeffwarner.com, stolaf.edu/people/hend/jeffwarner.pdf

Cheers, S. in Seattle


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Subject: RE: Pacific Northwest Folklore Society
From: mg
Date: 08 Oct 07 - 09:10 PM

Wonderful..

Could you provide a mention of something at Ft. Columbia on October 27 (This is in Chinook, not Ilwaco as previously stated). A day of maritime music, led by Hank Cramer and friends. Various workshops on sea shanties, maritime history, etc. In the evening at 7:30 there will be a concert in the Maritime Museum in Astoria. At least the Ft. Columbia day event ( approximately 9 a.m. to 4 p.m.) will be free. For more information contact mgarvey@wsu.edu.

And feel free to put any of my songs up there if you would like..mg


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Subject: RE: Pacific Northwest Folklore Society
From: Acme
Date: 09 Oct 07 - 12:13 AM

Those posters and menus are a lot of fun.

Funny story on myself--I remember Dad talking about a place where they used to sing. As a kid I thought the name was "Palmer" House. I think I just saw it in print for the first time this evening and made the connection. :)

(Pamir)

SRS


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Subject: RE: Pacific Northwest Folklore Society
From: Deckman
Date: 09 Oct 07 - 05:26 AM

Maggie, it's knickname was "The Pee House!" Bob


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Subject: RE: Pacific Northwest Folklore Society
From: Stewart
Date: 09 Oct 07 - 03:12 PM

Mary,

I put up an announcement of the
Maritime Music Workshop on Saturday, October 27th
at Fort Columbia State Park
on the EVENTS page

Also, I put up two of your songs as mp3 files
Oystershell Road, and The Rivers of Washington
on the MP3 Files page

Cheers, S. in Seattle


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Subject: RE: Pacific Northwest Folklore Society
From: mg
Date: 09 Oct 07 - 09:49 PM

I am honored...if you think there will be copyright problems with that just do whatever...also we were podcast from Sunnycamp on the KMUN ship report....I will give a link tomorrow. mg


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Subject: RE: Pacific Northwest Folklore Society
From: Stewart
Date: 08 Nov 07 - 10:50 PM

The Pacific Northwest Folklore Society
has a new web presence at
http://pnwfolklore.org

We've completely redesigned the site
and added much more information
including audio files,
history, and more.

Check it out!

Cheers, S. in Seattle


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Subject: RE: Pacific Northwest Folklore Society
From: Acme
Date: 08 Nov 07 - 11:36 PM

Thanks for the link, Stewart.

You might want to rethink all of the red text. People who have color-blindness could have a hard time reading it.

SRS


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Subject: RE: Pacific Northwest Folklore Society
From: Bill D
Date: 09 Nov 07 - 12:19 PM

Well! And I had been disappointed because I was not likely to ever get out there to hear Bob & Don. Now I get something 'almost' as good.

Thanks for the files! Listening now.


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Subject: RE: Pacific Northwest Folklore Society
From: Don Firth
Date: 09 Nov 07 - 02:09 PM

What a snort!!

It took us a couple of songs to get off the dime (it had been awhile since we'd done anything like this), but fortunately the audience seemed to enjoy it. At least we got away without being lynched! Nothing quite as humbling as listening to a recording of a performance one just gave!

Tends to make one practice a whole lot more!

Don Firth

P. S. But it sure felt good to be back in the saddle again.


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Subject: RE: Pacific Northwest Folklore Society
From: Deckman
Date: 09 Nov 07 - 02:27 PM

HEY ... that might be a good song title: "Back In The Saddle Again!" Let's see, maybe something like: out where a friend is a friend, where the lonley jimpson weed ... oh never mind. Doesn't grab me. Bob


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Subject: RE: Pacific Northwest Folklore Society
From: Don Firth
Date: 09 Nov 07 - 02:49 PM

Didn't some guy named Gene Artery sing sumpin' like that awhile back?

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: Pacific Northwest Folklore Society
From: Don Firth
Date: 09 Nov 07 - 02:51 PM

Or something in that vein. . . .


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Subject: RE: Pacific Northwest Folklore Society
From: Deckman
Date: 09 Nov 07 - 03:23 PM

Yes, but I don't think he ever amounted to much!


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Subject: RE: Pacific Northwest Folklore Society
From: Bill D
Date: 09 Nov 07 - 03:39 PM

He was that guy who drove a 'woody' station wagon till there were rustlers to chase...then he got on a horse, and had an entire band follow him!. Can't trust anyone with that kind of approach to know much about music.


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Subject: RE: Pacific Northwest Folklore Society
From: Bill D
Date: 09 Nov 07 - 03:44 PM

(but when I was 9, he was my favorite singer in the world)


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Subject: RE: Pacific Northwest Folklore Society
From: GUEST,TJ in San Diego
Date: 09 Nov 07 - 06:24 PM

I am truly sorry to have missed the festivities at the Lutheran venue. By the way, they don't lynch people in Seattle any more, they take them down to Ballard and feed them ludefisk. I remember Lou Gottlieb saying that a previous performance had exceeded their expectations; meaning that the audience rarely left in groups...


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Subject: RE: Pacific Northwest Folklore Society
From: Don Firth
Date: 09 Nov 07 - 06:30 PM

Lutefisk def. The piece of Cod that passeth all understanding.


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Subject: RE: Pacific Northwest Folklore Society
From: Deckman
Date: 09 Nov 07 - 06:54 PM

HEY .... Let's don't get personal. I never met met a piece of fish I didn't love. The joy of lutefisk is that can eat the same piece several times! SSHHEEEUUHHH! Don't you know what's good for you? Bob


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Subject: RE: Pacific Northwest Folklore Society
From: Deckman
Date: 09 Nov 07 - 06:58 PM

Truth be told ... and that is difficult for me ... I have several fellow Finnish friends who call me asking where the next lutefisk feed might be. One of the joys of eating dinner at a lutefisk feed is that you are never bothered by neighbors or errant cops. Bob


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Subject: RE: Pacific Northwest Folklore Society
From: Deckman
Date: 09 Nov 07 - 07:13 PM

I'll bet that you don't even like pickled herring? What's wrong with you? (I'll shut up now) Bob


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Subject: RE: Pacific Northwest Folklore Society
From: Stewart
Date: 09 Nov 07 - 07:20 PM

This is my take on lutefisk:

at best it has no taste
at worst it has a taste

A t-shirt for sale in Ballard
Lutefisk - Just Say NO!

When I lived in Minnesota, I avoided all lutefisk dinners.

Cheers, S. in Seattle


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Subject: RE: Pacific Northwest Folklore Society
From: Deckman
Date: 09 Nov 07 - 07:29 PM

You obviously missed the best of what Minnesota has to offer. I'll bet you don't even eat fish eggs ... OH never mind ... you're obviously beyond saving! Bob


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Subject: RE: Pacific Northwest Folklore Society
From: Don Firth
Date: 09 Nov 07 - 07:29 PM

It just occurred to me that, considering the large number of Scandinavians in the local demographics, we may actually be collecting some Pacific Northwest folklore with all this nonsense. . . .

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: Pacific Northwest Folklore Society
From: Stewart
Date: 09 Nov 07 - 07:51 PM

The Swedes have an answer to Norwegian lutefisk.
It's the Swedish traditional dish of 'surstromming',
or fermented Baltic herring.
It has now been added to the list of dangerous weapons
such as shoe bombs, firearms, knives, and lutefisk
that are forbidden on airlines.
Swedish fermented herring dish considered safety risk on airlines

Lutefisk has been added to the list of prohibited substances
by the Dept. of Homeland Security.
The FBI branch office in Minneapolis has been alerted
to watch for signs of lutefisk production in that region.
And the Centers for Disease Control in Atlanta warned
that any substance stored in lye
should be regarded as extremely dangerous.

Cheers, S. in Seattle


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Subject: RE: Pacific Northwest Folklore Society
From: Deckman
Date: 09 Nov 07 - 07:57 PM

What a bunch a damned spoilsports!


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Subject: RE: Pacific Northwest Folklore Society
From: Acme
Date: 10 Nov 07 - 12:26 AM

My mother's first cousin was a fellow named Charles Husby. Maybe Bob knew him. Anyway, the Everett Herald used to print some of his lutefisk jokes every so often. They were always first rate!

SRS


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Subject: RE: Pacific Northwest Folklore Society
From: Stewart
Date: 10 Nov 07 - 05:02 PM

New video is now up on the website.
Don Firth and Bob Nelson each doing
a song from their reunion concert (10/14/07)

The Three Ravens - Don Firth
Wild Flying Dove - Bob Nelson

Cheers, S. in Seattle


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Subject: RE: Pacific Northwest Folklore Society
From: Stewart
Date: 15 Feb 08 - 08:21 PM

Just added to the Pacific Northwest Folklore Society web pages

Cle Elum Girl - Nancy-Lu Patterson
A quintessential Pacific Northwest song sung by Bob Nelson
with sketches by an anonymous artist at a 'hoot' where Walt Robertson first sang this song.

see earlier MC thread here

Cheers, S. in Seattle


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Subject: RE: Pacific Northwest Folklore Society
From: Deckman
Date: 16 Feb 08 - 07:44 PM

Stew ... I also enjoy the new LOGO! Bob


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Subject: RE: Pacific Northwest Folklore Society
From: Stewart
Date: 19 Feb 08 - 07:19 PM

But wait, there's more!

We just added a page for the song
The Old Settler (aka Acres of Clams)
with a mp3 of Bob Nelson singing the song
the way it's supposed to be sung
according to Ivar Haglund who used
the last three words of the song
as the name of his Seattle waterfront restaurant.
It was also his theme song on his radio program.

Cheers, S. in Seattle


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Subject: RE: Pacific Northwest Folklore Society
From: Charley Noble
Date: 19 Feb 08 - 08:52 PM

I must pay a visit out there sometime. But wasn't I out there a few years ago? Lord knows, it's all so much a dream -- friendly people sitting out on a deck, singing along on songs they've never heard before, from some long dead poet who made quite a name for herself in and around Victoria, BC.

There's been another CD since then, with even more songs adapted from her poems, not to mention some other sailor-poets: Charley Noble Website

Meanwhile, consider sending out a flying squad to the Mystic sea Music Festival, second weekend of June where a whole bunch of us will be holding forth.

Cheerily,
Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: Pacific Northwest Folklore Society
From: Deckman
Date: 19 Feb 08 - 09:18 PM

Yes indeed Charlie, your memory is still intact. And as I remember, I was one of those happy people enjoying your concert. IT's a funny thing about singers: teach us a chorus and get out of our way. CHEERS, Bob


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Subject: RE: Pacific Northwest Folklore Society
From: Acme
Date: 19 Feb 08 - 10:57 PM

Stewart, shall I dig out a song or two of Dad's? Something signature? I wonder if I have The Ballad of the Merry Ferry, or Frozen Logger? I know I have The Reggie of Blue Canyon, and there is the Blue Canyon Mine Disaster song, but I don't know if the tape I've listened to for years will yield great quality songs. Let me see what I can come up with. I'll have to park them somewhere online for you to download, unless you think one can be emailed? Nothing immediate, I have to track a good song down first.

What do you think of his singing that you'd like me to look for?

Maggie


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Subject: RE: Pacific Northwest Folklore Society
From: Deckman
Date: 19 Feb 08 - 11:18 PM

Maggie ... I think that "Notice To Mariners" would be very fitting. Bob


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Subject: RE: Pacific Northwest Folklore Society
From: Acme
Date: 19 Feb 08 - 11:40 PM

Of course!

I just "dove into" one of the boxes here, randomly--and found tapes he labeled from 1984. Recordings of Mary Garvey and Mark Cohen. Lots of good stuff!

Maggie


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Subject: RE: Pacific Northwest Folklore Society
From: Stewart
Date: 20 Feb 08 - 01:27 AM

Maggie, that sounds like a great idea.
"Notice To Mariners" would be just the thing.
I can probably give you a ftp site that you
can send it to if you can make a mp3 file
out of the tape.

You know, it seems like we're the only group
interested in the 'folklore' and folk songs
and history of folk music in Seattle and the
Pacific Northwest. The other organization
doesn't seem to think there's any folk music
history or folklore here. It only exists in other
places from which they import singer songwriters
to sing their latest songs of instant 'folklore.'
Oops, I didn't say that, did I? Don't quote me!

Cheers, S. in Seattle
Actually that other organization is good,
because every once in a while we get some
great folk icons. They're bringing Mike Seeger
here on April 26th.


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Subject: RE: Pacific Northwest Folklore Society
From: Acme
Date: 28 Jun 08 - 02:12 PM

This is an aside, but still I think this is the best group to direct this question to. I'm trying to track down information about two mountain dulcimers my father bought from a maker in Stanwood at "Traditional Instruments" on Village Road. He signed his instruments "Matheson," and they're works of art that sound as good as they look. We don't play them much, and it's time to sell them. Do any of you have other instruments made my Mr. Matheson, or can you tell me something about him and how his instruments were received? I suspect Dad talked to his folksinging friends about instruments as he collected them (there were quite a few folk instruments in his estate that were divided among us).

These are both hourglass-shaped dulcimers, but aren't identical. One has four equidistant strings, one has a course of two then two more equidistant from the rest. Both are hourglass shaped and of beautiful wood.

I've tried many types of searches to find this fellow or evidence that he existed, but come up empty handed. I thought I was on track when a business in Yreka, CA came to the top once, but while they were very nice and helpful, they weren't related (they relocated from Vashon many years ago).

Any suggestions you can offer will be appreciated. His granddaughter Moonglow is in college, so the sale of one of these will go to help her with fall semester. (Maybe enough to cover a few textbooks?)

SRS


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Subject: RE: Pacific Northwest Folklore Society
From: Deckman
Date: 28 Jun 08 - 02:53 PM

Hi Maggie ... I do remember that name and one of the instruments. It will take me a few days, but I think I can track him down. I remember he was quite populiar for a while back in the 70's, I think. Hugs, Bob


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Subject: RE: Pacific Northwest Folklore Society
From: Acme
Date: 28 Jun 08 - 03:13 PM

He could have bought this as far back as the 70s. I remember I was carrying one of these around for a while, but I can't remember if it was as far back as the years I lived in New York City (until late 1980). I'm sure I had my hands on it by the time I worked at Friday Harbor (1985).

SRS


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Subject: RE: Pacific Northwest Folklore Society
From: Deckman
Date: 28 Jun 08 - 03:52 PM

I've found a photo of him ... now I just have to locate him. Bob


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Subject: RE: Pacific Northwest Folklore Society
From: Art Thieme
Date: 28 Jun 08 - 04:47 PM

I do wish I had known of you people in 1967 when I started my FOLK-ART SHOP in Depoe Bay, Oregon. Back then we couldn't find any interest in folk music anywhere in Portland or on the coast and environs. We might've looked further north if we had realized you were there---=- and possibly I'd never have left the Pacific Northwest and returned to Chicago where I perceived that being in a folk scene was, at least, a possibility of sorts. I did love the coast and was very much into low tide exploration and marine biology.

You started in 1953!!?? Pretty amazing!

Such is life.

Art Thieme


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Subject: RE: Pacific Northwest Folklore Society
From: Stewart
Date: 28 Jun 08 - 06:12 PM

Art,

Yes it started in 1953 (I wasn't around here then, but Don Firth and Bob Nelson were), but died out after a few years due to the red scare (folk music organizations were considered suspicious or subversive by the authorities). In 1966 a different organization, the Seattle Folklore Society, was founded, but they have since turned into a booking agency for out-of-town singer songwriters. So Bob, Don, and I revived the PNWFS about a year ago to promote more traditional folkmusic by local musicians.

Cheers, S. in Seattle


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Subject: RE: Pacific Northwest Folklore Society
From: Don Firth
Date: 28 Jun 08 - 06:49 PM

Art, I don't know what happened in the Portland area after the mid-1960s, but from the mid-1950s up to at least the mid-60s, there was a lot of activity there, particularly around Reed College. Several Reed students used to pop back and forth between the San Francisco Bay area (particularly Berkeley) and Seattle when they had the chance between terms, and they were pretty avidly involved in folk music—pre-Kingston Trio. It was from them that I first heard of Bay Area musicians like Rolf Cahn, Jo Mapes, and Barbara Dane.

A few of them would zing down to Berkeley for a week or ten days between terms and take a couple of long guitar lessons from Rolf Cahn, and the way their playing improved as a result was most impressive. One of the things I wanted to do when Bob and I went to the Bay Area in 1959 was to take lessons from Cahn. We got together a couple of times, but he was due to head off to Cambridge, Mass. a week or so after we got there. But in that short time, I did get a chance to pick up some great licks and lot of new ideas from him.

There was a pretty active bunch in Portland during that period. I have no idea what became of them.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: Pacific Northwest Folklore Society
From: Don Firth
Date: 28 Jun 08 - 06:56 PM

Hmm! Just occurred to me! Maybe Genie knows. She's been living in or around Portland since about 1976. Could be she knows some of the local history.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: Pacific Northwest Folklore Society
From: Art Thieme
Date: 28 Jun 08 - 07:01 PM

Now I see. Thanks for the explanation. I guess we did the right thing.

What you said rings true. In '67 I was in the shop one beautiful day and California Gray whales were sounding off shore. As I was told, their leaping leaping almost clear of the water was to navigate by spying out for landmarks that meant something to them.

Well, I wandered outside to get a better view and talk with neighbors who were out there too. When I went back in, I wandered over to my desk where I found a magazine there that hadn't been there before. It was open to an article on the Communist influence in folk music with pertinent warning things underlined for my education and enlightenment. I figured whoever they were was letting me know that they were watching. Nothing unseemly ever followed after that, but I do still remember it.

Art Thieme


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Subject: RE: Pacific Northwest Folklore Society
From: Art Thieme
Date: 28 Jun 08 - 07:23 PM

Don,
I was answering Stewart's post with mine before this one. But thanks for your insights as well.

Our shop was right on the ocean---U.S. Highway 101. There are a few photos of it and that town then, I think, at my folk photos site.
Depoe Bay had few ways to make a living then. Salmon fishing and lumber jobs was about all there was. Now, folks tell me, there are tons of condominiums along the ocean north of town. They've even got a stop light!!! Again, such is life.

When we were there the town had two good restaurants.---The Chinese one was owned by a retired actor, Mr. Lee, who had played the attending physician in the death scene where Yul Brynner was dying in The King And I. -- Fond memories--and it's fun to dredge 'em up.

Art


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Subject: RE: Pacific Northwest Folklore Society
From: Deckman
Date: 28 Jun 08 - 11:30 PM

Hi Art ... nice to see upon you! Yes, it really is kinda amazing. But what I think is REALLY amazing is that folks like Don and I, Stew, Nancy Quense, Phil and Vivian Williams, John Ashford, Gary "O", Stan James, Mike Lieb, John Weiss, Alice Stewart, and several others, are stil alive and kicking. And ... we're still singig about it! CHEERS, Bob (still in Everett, Washington, where the wimmen are pretier than the men and the cats run faster than the dogs)


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Subject: RE: Pacific Northwest Folklore Society
From: Acme
Date: 29 Jun 08 - 12:55 AM

Whoa, Art--that's downright creepy, the magazine left as a warning.

I have to agree with Bob's assessment of the Seattle/Everett area--it's amazing what has stuck around, considering all of the changes in the last 20-30 years.

SRS


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Subject: RE: Pacific Northwest Folklore Society
From: Rapparee
Date: 29 Jun 08 - 01:19 AM

And no one mentions Idaho....


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Subject: RE: Pacific Northwest Folklore Society
From: Deckman
Date: 29 Jun 08 - 01:27 AM

"AWAY IDAHO, WE'RE COMING IDAHO,
OUR FOUR HORSE TEAM WILL SOON BE SEEN,
WAY OUT IN IDAHO"

Whatch' mean that no-one mentions Idaho ... sheeuh! Bob


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Subject: RE: Pacific Northwest Folklore Society
From: Deckman
Date: 29 Jun 08 - 12:57 PM

Maggie, I remember that his first name was Stewart. Monday, I'll call "The Folkstore" in Seattle and see is I can get a lead on him. CHEERS, Bob


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Subject: RE: Pacific Northwest Folklore Society
From: GUEST,Art Thieme
Date: 29 Jun 08 - 01:23 PM

I'm a Guest again. Will fix soon.

IDAHO, you say!----An old friend from Chicago, Brian Gill, has an excellent folk radio show out of Moscow, Idaho. I know it is streamed on the web, but because we have dial-up, I don't hear it as often as I ought. But another friend has sent me tons of his shows on MP3.

I heartily recommend it to Mudcatters. Find da man - and listen in.

Art


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Subject: RE: Pacific Northwest Folklore Society
From: Stewart
Date: 07 Aug 08 - 07:04 PM

We had our last PNWFS Sunday Afternoon Concert
in the Everett Public Library last Sunday.
It was a fine finale to the series.
You can see some video of it on our web site HERE

Jerry Middaugh singing
Erin's Green Shore
Handsome Molly
Swannanoa Tunnel
Clayton Boone
Backing To Birmingham

Nancy Quense, Bob Nelson, and Jerry Middaugh Singing
Warp And Reeling

Nancy Quense and Jerry Middaugh Singing
Long Journey

You can check out video of some previous concerts HERE

Cheers, S. in Seattle
where PNWFS is still "in the tradition"


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Subject: RE: Pacific Northwest Folklore Society
From: Deckman
Date: 07 Aug 08 - 08:15 PM

A very fine job, Stew. Thanks!


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Subject: RE: Pacific Northwest Folklore Society
From: Stewart
Date: 04 Mar 11 - 06:26 PM

I am just re-reading this thread of Sept. 13, 2007 - Pacific NW Folklore Society
It's hilarious - Maggie being paranoid about who's behind it (sorry Maggie)
John Ross cussing out my Irish friend, MartinRyan, for using his name in vain
Mary Garvey saying it's a great idea, regardless of who they are
etc. etc. it's just a barrel of laughs
It really got everyone's attention!
what's really interesting is to see how far we've come,
how we've evolved, even beyond our first expectations
I don't think any of us could have predicted it.
What a Hoot!!

We've hosted some great folksingers from out of town -
Jeff Warner, Jed Marum, Brian Peters, Kate Power & Steve Einhorn,
Steve Gillette & Cindy Mangsen, Joe Hickerson, Charley Groth ...
as well as local folks - Alice Stuart, the Canote Brothers, Ginney Riley,
Pint & Dale, Tania Opland & Mike Freeman, and many, many others.
posted over 45 Pacific NW songs with lyrics and mp3 recordings
lots of historical information about PNW folklore,
expanded into Everett with Bob "Deckman" Nelson, and more.

Now we need to think about who's going to carry this on
when we can't do it any more. Any volunteers?
We'd like to have some younger people involved,
grow the tradition, expand the musical genre's,
but still keep it a grass-roots, low-budget,
below-the-radar organization.
Any ideas?

Cheers, S. in Seattle
along with Bob "Deckman" Nelson in Everett


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Subject: RE: Pacific Northwest Folklore Society
From: Deckman
Date: 04 Mar 11 - 06:42 PM

STEW ... I echo your thoughts exactly. I don't know about you, but I'm getting tired. I know you're younger than me, by ONE MONTH ... but I don't think I can keep up with YOU much longer. But more importantly to ME ... I'm losing momentum on my archiving project. I need to get back to it.

It's time for new, and younger, blood. bob nelson


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Subject: RE: Pacific Northwest Folklore Society
From: Stewart
Date: 04 Mar 11 - 06:46 PM

I just started a new thread
PNW Folklore Society - 3.5 yrs later
to continue this discussion.
the original thread is too long.

Cheers, S. in Seattle


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