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Songs of Irish rebellion & conflict

Colin Randall 20 Sep 07 - 06:36 AM
PMB 20 Sep 07 - 06:46 AM
Colin Randall 20 Sep 07 - 06:54 AM
GUEST,Wolfgang 20 Sep 07 - 07:22 AM
Keith A of Hertford 20 Sep 07 - 07:42 AM
Keith A of Hertford 20 Sep 07 - 07:45 AM
dick greenhaus 20 Sep 07 - 09:42 AM
Fred McCormick 20 Sep 07 - 10:32 AM
GUEST,John Moulden 20 Sep 07 - 11:09 AM
Fred McCormick 20 Sep 07 - 11:14 AM
PoppaGator 20 Sep 07 - 12:49 PM
GUEST 20 Sep 07 - 01:36 PM
ard mhacha 20 Sep 07 - 01:57 PM
Keith A of Hertford 21 Sep 07 - 03:12 AM
Fred McCormick 21 Sep 07 - 04:50 AM
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Subject: Songs of Irish rebellion & conflict
From: Colin Randall
Date: 20 Sep 07 - 06:36 AM

....and just for balance, what about partisan songs about Ireland? You do not need to support political violence to recognise the value of such songs as The Foggy Dew or Tommy Makem's unwarlike but no less nationalistic Four Green Fields

I have knowledge of virtually none from a loyalist perspective, beyond one or two forgotten old tapes I once bought in the Shankill, but stand to be corrected.


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Subject: RE: Songs of Irish rebellion & conflict
From: PMB
Date: 20 Sep 07 - 06:46 AM

Well there's the Ould Orange Flute for a start....


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Subject: RE: Songs of Irish rebellion & conflict
From: Colin Randall
Date: 20 Sep 07 - 06:54 AM

Yes......that and The Sash, plus the boisterous marching tunes, are among those I'd inexcusably forgotten


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Subject: RE: Songs of Irish rebellion & conflict
From: GUEST,Wolfgang
Date: 20 Sep 07 - 07:22 AM

Some old ones

(that page hurts my eyes in a verbatim sense)

If you want to hurt your eyes in another sense and read some really partisan loyalist songs (among the more traditional ones) you have to

click here (on Conrad Bladey's site for those who know this name)

Wolfgang


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Subject: RE: Songs of Irish rebellion & conflict
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 20 Sep 07 - 07:42 AM

The other thread has a suggestion that Troubles songs are post 1960s.
Both songs you quote in opening post are in that category.


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Subject: RE: Songs of Irish rebellion & conflict
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 20 Sep 07 - 07:45 AM

or 60s. anyway.


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Subject: RE: Songs of Irish rebellion & conflict
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 20 Sep 07 - 09:42 AM

If you do a search of DigiTrad for @Protestant, you'll find a bunch.


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Subject: RE: Songs of Irish rebellion & conflict
From: Fred McCormick
Date: 20 Sep 07 - 10:32 AM

There's any number of nineteenth century broadsides which rail against the injustices of English imperialism, without descending into the jingoistic f**k the bloody Brits which characterise so many rebel songs.

A good place to start looking would be Robert Zimmerman's Songs of Irish Rebellion. It was republished by Four Courts Press a few years ago.


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Subject: RE: Songs of Irish rebellion & conflict
From: GUEST,John Moulden
Date: 20 Sep 07 - 11:09 AM

Fred doesn't mean Robert Zimmermann, who is better known otherwise, but Georges-Denis Zimmermann.


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Subject: RE: Songs of Irish rebellion & conflict
From: Fred McCormick
Date: 20 Sep 07 - 11:14 AM

A momentary senior moment on my part.


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Subject: RE: Songs of Irish rebellion & conflict
From: PoppaGator
Date: 20 Sep 07 - 12:49 PM

I had no idea Zimmy was Irish. I thought he was a Jewish guy from Minnesota...


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Subject: RE: Songs of Irish rebellion & conflict
From: GUEST
Date: 20 Sep 07 - 01:36 PM

The Foggy Dew and Four Green Fields are from the 1960s, Keith??


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Subject: RE: Songs of Irish rebellion & conflict
From: ard mhacha
Date: 20 Sep 07 - 01:57 PM

The Foggy Dew was written by Canon Charles O`Neill in 1919.


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Subject: RE: Songs of Irish rebellion & conflict
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 21 Sep 07 - 03:12 AM

Of course.
sorry.
Four Green Fields was 60s though.


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Subject: RE: Songs of Irish rebellion & conflict
From: Fred McCormick
Date: 21 Sep 07 - 04:50 AM

He's Swiss. His book, Songs of Irish Rebellion is his Phd thesis and is absolutely essential for anyone interested in Irish traditional song. Confusing his name with that of Bob Dylan was a silly mistake on my part...............

"I had no idea Zimmy was Irish. I thought he was a Jewish guy from Minnesota..."


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