BS: Corruption in Ireland

Subject: BS: Corruption in Ireland
From: The Sandman
Date: 22 Sep 07 - 04:58 PM

Anyone got any opinions about political corruption,and pull in Ireland,It seems fairly blatant to my eyes.

Subject: RE: BS: Corruption in Ireland
From: Peace
Date: 22 Sep 07 - 05:13 PM

A few Irish friends have said much the same.

Subject: RE: BS: Corruption in Ireland
From: Sorcha
Date: 22 Sep 07 - 05:45 PM

And I have NO idea. I have enough trouble keeping track of corruption in my own country right now. But, post info?

Subject: RE: BS: Corruption in Ireland
From: Greg B
Date: 22 Sep 07 - 05:54 PM

Sure but really effective graft was one of Ireland's first
exports to the United States. Oh, it was here before the
great migration, but it wasn't nearly so well-perfected.

Subject: RE: BS: Corruption in Ireland
From: Sorcha
Date: 22 Sep 07 - 06:50 PM

Ah, yes...the Boston, New York, Chicago etc etc etc stuff. Well, I guess the Irish had a lot of practice. They almost nearly had to just to stay a few points behind the game?

No Irish Need Apply

Then, Joe Kennedy bought his son a wife. Camelot my ass.

Subject: RE: BS: Corruption in Ireland
From: GUEST,ainfheoil
Date: 22 Sep 07 - 06:55 PM

Do they still call it Ireland ? I thought it was Polreland or Poleire.

Subject: RE: BS: Corruption in Ireland
From: Sorcha
Date: 22 Sep 07 - 07:00 PM

Maybe I shouldn't have posted that.
Oh yes, it's still Ireland. Or Eire.

Subject: RE: BS: Corruption in Ireland
From: Riginslinger
Date: 22 Sep 07 - 09:20 PM

"Then, Joe Kennedy bought his son a wife..."


                  What did he have to pay?

Subject: RE: BS: Corruption in Ireland
From: The Sandman
Date: 23 Sep 07 - 08:56 AM

Bertie Ahern our Taoiseach[prime minister] is in a spot of trouble.[See Mahon Tribunal]Charles Haughey ex Taoiseach ,was in serious trouble ,but now hes dead.
Beverly Flynn[TD]was disowned by her party[all these three were/are Fianna Fail]
There was also one Fine Gael [TD equivalent of member of Parliament]MR Burke,but most of it seems to be in Fianna Fail.
There have been certain allegations made against a Fianna Fail [Ex TD ] ,but these have not been proven yet.

Subject: RE: BS: Corruption in Ireland
From: The Sandman
Date: 23 Sep 07 - 09:13 AM

AHERN tries to teell tribunal he did not hide money[google Mahon tribunal]

Beverley Flynn[ GOOGLE bankrupt or not].
Padraig Peeflynn,google wikapaedia,then late late show controversy,and Political career,Beverley Flynn mentioned again

Subject: RE: BS: Corruption in Ireland
From: GUEST,Bert on Kelly's machine.
Date: 24 Sep 07 - 12:48 AM

Sorkieluv,

I really don't believe that you are keeping up with corruption in our coutry. I think that is an impossible task. Especially as half the time you can't tell whether it really is corruption or just plain stupidity.

Subject: RE: BS: Corruption in Ireland
From: alanabit
Date: 24 Sep 07 - 03:52 AM

The thread title is made in such a vague way that this thread never looks likely to become much more than a collection of loosely grounded opinions.
When he lived in Ireland, my Dad told me that in a population of under four million, there were some eleven million private bank accounts. That must have made tax enforcement a challenge! It does not prove much though.
Perhaps we could have a thread in which we discuss, "Which country has the best bank robbers?", or "Which country has the meanest murderers?" Especially with a subject like corruption, on which the most knowledgeable people are the least likely to provide information, there is never likely to be a lot of solid facts to debate.
I would guess that Germany and the UK are at least as endemically corrupt as the Irish. I can't prove it though. How often is corruption actually proven anywhere?

Subject: RE: BS: Corruption in Ireland
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 24 Sep 07 - 12:20 PM

lenny Bruce used to have this routine called Corruption.

Corruption is okay - it shows somethings working. I'm from New York, so I'm hip to corruption - have been since I was a kid. When I was kid I grew up knowing the mayor was corrupt, the cops were corrupt, the politicians were corrupt. I was only a kid, but I wondered if I was corrupt.

Subject: RE: BS: Corruption in Ireland
From: GUEST,Cookyless Gulliver
Date: 24 Sep 07 - 03:35 PM

The corruption that is being aired now, and has been over the past few years by the tribunals, concerns mainly a clique of Fianna Failers and developers centred around Charles Haughey (RIP) and Liam Lawlor (RIP), also the PR man Frank Dunlop, along with that ex-Fine Gaeler whose name escapes me now. I'm not aware of other scandalous carry-on (which doesn't mean it isn't there!).

Don

Subject: RE: BS: Corruption in Ireland
From: GUEST,slug
Date: 24 Sep 07 - 08:13 PM

the irish get right up my nose,everybody thinks they are cute and the truth is they are a corrupt,biggoted small minded bunch of arses

Subject: RE: BS: Corruption in Ireland
From: GUEST,beachcomber
Date: 25 Sep 07 - 06:35 PM

Hey.....how about him...Slugg there's an old Irish saying that goes "It takes one to know one!"
Go back to bed son.

Subject: RE: BS: Corruption in Ireland
From: GUEST,Dáithí
Date: 26 Sep 07 - 06:15 AM

One of my favourite stories is that when some of the paintings of former prime ministers were being moved from the walls of Leinster House for refurbishment and cleaning, someone noticed that on Charlie Haughey's, a small brown envelope had been placed in the corner of the frame.

Such eloquent comment, an ea?!

D

Subject: RE: BS: Corruption in Ireland
From: diesel
Date: 26 Sep 07 - 09:30 AM

I'm of Ireland,

If you want facts - you can't have them.
If you make allegations - we open a tribunal where, millions upon millions of taxpayers money (this is not an exaggeration - the full amount will not be costed until years from now.) In said tribunals, we have 'disclosed' information that make headlines regularly about elected politicians. But because the information is 'disclosed' as opposed to uncovered, then legally this information cannot be used against them in law. The politicians made these rules, and fought not to have tribunals at all.

A ton of information is out there - all anecdotal, so yes proper discussion is hard to achieve.

Is it so bad though ? Not as bad as other countries, and we do have a whole heap of honest people, so it is worth staying, if for nothing else (and there are other reasons) then at least we can watch the politicians squirm - albeit at our expense.

As a note: My Mum said of Charles Haughey - 'sure we all knew he was a crook - but at least he was an honest crook'

Kind of sums up a lot.

Diesel

Subject: RE: BS: Corruption in Ireland
From: The Sandman
Date: 26 Sep 07 - 06:00 PM

Will,Bertie have to resign.

Subject: RE: BS: Corruption in Ireland
From: alanabit
Date: 26 Sep 07 - 06:21 PM

I don't think anyone likes or condones any form of coruption. However, it is hard to believe that any political system anywhere works without a degree of it. It is a bit like expecting the body to function without producing excrement and mucus as by products. What is patently absurd is the notion that Ireland has any more of it than anyone else.

Subject: RE: BS: Corruption in Ireland
From: GUEST,Jim Carroll
Date: 27 Sep 07 - 01:58 AM

Irish politicians are no more or less corrupt than those from any other nation; they just appear not to be as good at covering their tracks.
I now live in Ireland, but originating from a country that is run by a government that takes cash for dishing out honours, acts as a poodle to a murderous regime which uses imprisonment without trial and torture iin a genocidal war, was once led by a PM whose best friend was a war criminal and whose son is a crook who grassed up his mates in order to stay out of prison..... and the list goes on... I'm quite happy where I am thank you.
I was very impressed with the aptly-named Slug's contribution - now where did I put that packet of salt!.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Corruption in Ireland
From: The Sandman
Date: 27 Sep 07 - 01:33 PM

Is this what larkin fought for.
corruption should be ENDED in every country
Jim Carroll,just because the corrupt politicians in Ireland ,are not clever at covering their tracks, does not excuse corruption,and now the green party, have helped him avoid resigning,no wonder people dont bother to vote.

Subject: RE: BS: Corruption in Ireland
From: Goose Gander
Date: 27 Sep 07 - 01:43 PM

"corruption should be ENDED in every country"

Oh, goody! Let's start tomorrow, we should be done by Christmas.

Subject: RE: BS: Corruption in Ireland
From: Leadbelly
Date: 27 Sep 07 - 01:48 PM

alanabit: concerning Germany you're quite right.

Subject: RE: BS: Corruption in Ireland
From: GUEST,cookyless Gulliver
Date: 27 Sep 07 - 05:02 PM

The results of a survey carried out by whatever people do these things issued yesterday on the Least Corrupt Countries showed Ireland in 17th place out of 180 countries worldwide. I'd imagine the scandinavian countries come close to the top and impoverished African countries close to the bottom.

Don