BS: Six Degrees Of Separation

Subject: BS: Six Degrees Of Separation
From: Azizi
Date: 11 Oct 07 - 12:11 AM

Rather than emphasizing how we are different from each other, why not focus on what we have in common?

The six degrees of separation concept may be one way we can show how people are more alike than we are different.

"Six degrees of separation refers to the idea that, if a person is one "step" away from each person he or she knows and two "steps" away from each person who is known by one of the people he or she knows, then everyone is no more than six "steps" away from each person on Earth. Several studies, such as Milgram's small world experiment, have been conducted to empirically measure this connectedness. While the exact number of links between people differs depending on the population measured, it is generally found to be relatively small. Hence, six degrees of separation is somewhat synonymous with the idea of the "small world" phenomenon."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six_degrees_of_separation

-snip-

It really is a small world after all. For example, by happenchance [?] I found out that another Mudcatter and I grew up in the same hometown though we didn't live there at the same time. But what are the odds that two people who don't know each other but who grew up in the same smallish city-albeit at different times-would end up posting on the same smallish [?] online discussion forum at the same time? Furthermore, what are the odds that one of these posters would would "happen" to mention her roots in that city, and the other poster would happen to read the thread in which this was mentioned?

Maybe this doesn't seem like that much of a coincidence to you.
And actually, the word "coincidence" doesn't totally convey what I'm thinking of when I consider this and other types of things that I've found out that I have in common with some folks who post on Mudcat.
I think there's some kind of divine intervention that draws folks to certain places and people and things [like particular online discussion forums]. Or at least, it sometimes seems that way to me.

Are there any "it's a small world after all" stories that you can share about the connections you were surprised to learn that you have with one or more Mudcatter?

If so, how about sharing that example or examples on this thread?

I, for one, would be interested in reading those kinds of stories.

Thanks in advance for posting on this thread!

Subject: RE: BS: Six Degrees Of Separation
From: Alice
Date: 11 Oct 07 - 12:47 AM

In my dad's generation, it was popularized by the saying "now you've shook the hand of a man who has shook the hand of John L. Sullivan".

I was very aware of the six degrees idea in the 1970's and 80's when I was shaking the hands of celebrities who had shook the hand of presidents who had shook the hand of world leaders. And when I was 18, I worked for our Congressional Delegation, men who had all shook the hand of...

Subject: RE: BS: Six Degrees Of Separation
From: Sorcha
Date: 11 Oct 07 - 12:51 AM

I find this fascinating, and have had experiences of it, but I can't recall any specifics right now.

My dad used to say, you can never go so far from home that you don't meet someone you know, or who knows someone you know. I have found this to be very true.

It might even take less than six degrees.

Subject: RE: BS: Six Degrees Of Separation
From: Alice
Date: 11 Oct 07 - 12:54 AM

Even when I've traveled in a foreign country, it is amazing how many close connections I've encountered.

Subject: RE: BS: Six Degrees Of Separation
From: Azizi
Date: 11 Oct 07 - 12:54 AM

Thanks, Alice, for not only posting to this thread but for expanding its concept.

Posting where and when else-besides on Mudcat-people have experienced "6 degrees of separation" with another person on persons or situation would also be interesting.

Bless be the ties that bind!

[Perhaps connecti is a better word than than bind but I like the spirit of that song]

Subject: RE: BS: Six Degrees Of Separation
From: Azizi
Date: 11 Oct 07 - 01:07 AM

Well, one of these days I'll get that HYML font thingy down pat and won't make any more mistakes using it.

Here's how I tried to write that sentence:
"Perhaps connect is a better word than bind but I like the spirit of that song."

Did that work?

Actually, come to think about it, I would like that Bless Be The Tie That Binds song much more if it were more ecumenical...

But I digress. Back to 6 degrees-or less-of separation...

**
Speaking of which:

Hi, Sorcha!

Thanks for joining Alice and me on this thread.

I hope other folks post to this thread. If so, hi to you too!

Subject: RE: BS: Six Degrees Of Separation
From: GUEST,LTS pretending to work
Date: 11 Oct 07 - 02:29 AM

In my other life, I am a member of a formal choir. One of my friends in this choir comes from Belfast, Northern Ireland - a city I have only ever driven through, and he moved to London some years ago. Whilst chatting to this friend, oddly enough in Denmark of all places, we discovered that we both knew a guy called Mike through completely different circles - him from the cycling scene and me from the folk music scene. My friend recognised my description of Mike through the violently coloured shirts and ties he used to wear.

LTS

Subject: RE: BS: Six Degrees Of Separation
From: Herga Kitty
Date: 11 Oct 07 - 02:45 AM

When I was corresponding with Canberra Chris about the Shiny Bums' visit to England a few months ago, he told me that his mother had been born in a house in the road in Harrow where I now live....

Kitty

Subject: RE: BS: Six Degrees Of Separation
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 11 Oct 07 - 03:15 AM

I was working with someone about 10 years ago and she was telling me about her best friend's new fiance - after a few minutes I realised that the fiance was a friend of ours from London, with whom my husband had worked for years. It really is odd when that kind of thing happens.

Of course, in the folk world there's only ever about 2 degrees of separation...

Subject: RE: BS: Six Degrees Of Separation
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 11 Oct 07 - 04:22 AM

This is an area that has had quite a number of published analyses, and one area that's received a lot of attention is the population of movie actors/actresses, with the premise being pretty well accepted that every performer has been in a movie with another performer who was in another movie with ... etc., with the result that the population of movie performers is a closed set with 6-degree of separation paths joining every pair of performers. For this particular population, some have claimed "proofs" that even 5 degrees of separation may be sufficient; but I don't believe they're considered "rigorous" proofs.

There have been numerous arguments, however, that for "really complex populations" the six-degrees may not hold. Some have argued that the current internet (i.e. every user on every server accessible from any server that's accessible from ... etc) is a higher order population, with arguments that the maximum degree of separation may reach 13 or more. (I believe that's the highest credible estimate I've seen.) Ohers claim to be able to show it's "no more than 9." There seems to be general agreement that 6 is not enough.

The greater "separation" of the internet is due largely to many "sequestered" servers that connect to the net as a whole only via extremely narrow paths, and the analysis is complicated by how one treats members of the population who can receive but not send (i.e. "half-links") or vice-versa.

If one person in the general population is six-degrees removed from at least one other person, then the hermit/survivalist in the wilds of Idaho (a random pick) who is known only to the first person is seven-degrees removed from at least one other person - hence it's easy to see how the separation could be rapidly expanded, although the expansion past 6 would apply only if rather extreme "misfits" are included in the population.

John

Subject: RE: BS: Six Degrees Of Separation
From: Emma B
Date: 11 Oct 07 - 06:01 AM

While on a walking holiday I stayed overnight in a small village in rural Spain and was talking to the only other British couple for miles around.
During conversation I discovered that I had helped his brother move into his new home on a small Irish island (where I was staying with a friend) after he had broken his arm just the year before.

Subject: RE: BS: Six Degrees Of Separation
From: Mooh
Date: 11 Oct 07 - 07:21 AM

Last summer my neice was telling me about a friend in her industry who she thought had a lot in common with me, and it ends up the guy was my best friend in high school. As we all live and work in very different places, and there's been a lot of water under the bridge, it was a small world experience.

As for degrees of separation, a lifelong friend did a semester (and chummed with) with Englsh royalty, so that represents a large circle of hands shaken. This is not to pretend to have met or to know any of those folks, of course.

But, as a musician, the ones I like are the ones that start with, "Hey, didn't you used to play with...?". They always lead to more of the same, and lots of fun stories.

I also like the "what are YOU doing here" encounters. They sometimes lead to "Really? I know him." revelations.

Peace, Mooh.

Subject: RE: BS: Six Degrees Of Separation
From: Mr Red
Date: 11 Oct 07 - 08:02 AM

I am amazed that no-one has mentions the game of Kevin Bacon. Film buffs and Hollywood play it.

Connect Kevin Bacon to any actor in 6 moves.

Why Mr Bacon? - probably he has appeared in plenty of films making it easier. It is important in web search engines and why having loads of links on your site improves search engine ratings. Such sites are portals. There is a related genre - the travelling salesman problem, best route from A to B calling at all waystations. Very important in GPS routing, courier delivery, internet traffic and information storage technologies.

Subject: RE: BS: Six Degrees Of Separation
From: GUEST,Jonny Sunshine
Date: 11 Oct 07 - 08:43 AM

Some while ago, I took part in an experiment where the idea was to pass on an email message to reach a randomly selected person (I think my "target" was a Russian university student). The only drawback I can see with this kind of experiment is you'd need to get everyone you know to pass on the message to everyone they know, to be sure you weren't missing a potential link in the chain.

Maybe there should be a folk version of the Kevin Bacon game...

Subject: RE: BS: Six Degrees Of Separation
From: GUEST,LTS Pretending to work
Date: 11 Oct 07 - 08:49 AM

That would be Martin Carthy then... start with him and connect him to someone like... say.... me.

LTS

Subject: RE: BS: Six Degrees Of Separation
From: Rumncoke
Date: 11 Oct 07 - 09:16 AM

Many years ago I recorded a snatch of a song on the last few inches of a cassette tape in my radio/cassette player. I did not get the introduction and did not know who sang it. I just put it on record when I realised it was something good and left it to listen to later, not realising I had put the tape in the wrong way round...

This year I went to a talk at Sidmouth and recognised the voice of the man sitting behind me as the one on the tape. It was Martin Carthy - so when the talk was over I sang him the few lines of the song, and he gave me the title.

It is Clyde Water, and he told me it is on the cd Skin and Bone - but I don't actually listen to recordings of folk music these days - though I supose I should stock up for when I get too decrepit to go to folk festivals.

Subject: RE: BS: Six Degrees Of Separation
From: Mickey191
Date: 11 Oct 07 - 10:01 AM

Whilst sitting on a bench at Peggys Cove, Nova Scotia I began conversing with a lovely lady. We were waiting for an artist to pack up our purchases. Turns out she & I are from Dover Plains, NY. She formerly lived in Brewster, NY & knew my cousin & her family.

Subject: RE: BS: Six Degrees Of Separation
From: Amos
Date: 11 Oct 07 - 10:10 AM

I saw this happening one night in an Irish pub here in San Diego. These two blokes are conversing, and one of them remarks the other sounds Irish, which he admits. The first one allows that he too is Irish and they warm up to the topic. Where in Ireland? Well, from Dublin, of course. No! Really? I'm from Dublin too!! Really?? Amazing!! Then they proceed to discover they are from the same neighborhood in Dublin. To their astonishment, as they narrow it down, it turns out they both were raised on the sme STREET!! And, as it turns out, they had both lived in the same house. Amazing!! They threw their arms around each other and staggered out, friends for ever.

I commented to the bartender it was a pretty wonderful coincidence that two men should discover such close links all the way across to San Diego from Dublin. Such serendipity!   "Aw, hell," he replied. "That's just the Murphy twins, drunk again."


A

Subject: RE: BS: Six Degrees Of Separation
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 11 Oct 07 - 10:24 AM

Ducked out of the rain onto a cafe porch in Lauterbrunnen, Switzerland last October. Only other people there were speaking with a distinctly familiar accent. Turns out they grew up in the town in the USA where I now live, and the husband used to work for my father-in-law's fruit company there.

Not earth-shakingly weird, but fun.

Subject: RE: BS: Six Degrees Of Separation
From: GUEST,Wordless Woman
Date: 11 Oct 07 - 10:32 AM

I once called Lands End to place an order. When I gave my address (I live on the East coast) the woman I was speaking with in Wisconsin told me she spent her vacation in my town, visiting her son at his new house. She loved the town and went walking every day. Turns out her son lived a few blocks from me and she knew not only my street but, because of its distinct paint job, my house as well. What are the odds?

Subject: RE: BS: Six Degrees Of Separation
From: Alice
Date: 11 Oct 07 - 11:37 AM

The Six Degrees of Kevin Bacon game is so popular it shows up in movie and tv show plots. Kevin Bacon decided to do something positive with it, so he started a web site to promote charities. I didn't mention it earlier because I thought it would be the obvious thing people would think of.

www.sixdegrees.org


Alice

Subject: RE: BS: Six Degrees Of Separation
From: GUEST,petr
Date: 11 Oct 07 - 11:44 AM

or composers,
Josef Suk was the ANtonin Dvoraks son in law,
Dvorak was friends with Brahms, Brahms knew Liszt,
Liszt knew Wagner, Wagner - Beethoven,
the young Beethoven played once for Mozart and so on..

Subject: RE: BS: Six Degrees Of Separation
From: EBarnacle
Date: 11 Oct 07 - 11:48 AM

Much to my surprise and horror, when I joined a small energy company in '01, I found I was only 1 degree from our unpopularly elected VP, Cheney.

Subject: RE: BS: Six Degrees Of Separation
From: M.Ted
Date: 11 Oct 07 - 12:11 PM

This can be a somewhat creepy excercise--I have a friend who studied dance, as a child, in Germany with a choreographer who was favored by Adolph Hitler. Another friend made a documentary with Ezra Pound, who knew Mussolini.

Subject: RE: BS: Six Degrees Of Separation
From: Bill D
Date: 11 Oct 07 - 12:45 PM

Well...one needs to define the rules pretty carefully. Do we mean KNOW some who KNOWS someone who...etc...or just "I once MET X who met Y"..etc...

I have met & chatted with a number of well traveled and famous folkies...and with Allan Ginsberg, the beat poet...and with six term Congressman from Kansas, Dan Glickman. And I once shook hands with Marion Barry, the infamous mayor of Wash DC, but having met these folks is a pretty tenuous claim to being only 3 degrees from the queen.
So, it is unlikely that some Bushman in Africa & I can easily claim to be only 6 'significant' degrees apart.

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The real value of the concept is for those whose business or lifestyle needs contacts and the ability to get information and help.
   The former Postmaster General of the US, James A. Farley, made semi-famous the idea of a Farley File, by which he USED notes on people he met, and thus achieved political ends and personal admiration. "What? You mean you remember me from 9 years ago?"

Not a bad idea...now if I could go back 45 years and apply it!

Subject: RE: BS: Six Degrees Of Separation
From: M.Ted
Date: 11 Oct 07 - 01:46 PM

Actually, I used to live in Philadelphia, and it seems to me that Kevin Bacon's brother, Michael, was a toll taker at an exit on the turnpike that I took all the time. Which puts me two degrees and $1.35 away from all the actors in Hollywood.

Subject: RE: BS: Six Degrees Of Separation
From: John Hardly
Date: 11 Oct 07 - 02:25 PM

I once started a "game" wherein you would post two artists and a recording they did together.

The next in line would link one of the two with another performer and a recording they had done together.

Within pop, jazz, blues, bluegrass, folk and rock, the game could link just about everyone in music.

Subject: RE: BS: Six Degrees Of Separation
From: jeffp
Date: 11 Oct 07 - 03:25 PM

All of my relatives in Kansas have a copy of a photograph of an old man seated at a table saying grace over a loaf of bread. Family legend holds that it is my great-grandfather, who was recruited in a bus station to pose for the picture. When I married my second wife, she brought along with her a copy of the same picture. The photographer was the photographer who shot her mother's hight school graduation picture.

It is indeed a small world.

I am also five degrees from Saddam Hussein.

Subject: RE: BS: Six Degrees Of Separation
From: RangerSteve
Date: 11 Oct 07 - 04:14 PM

When I was in the Navy, my shipped docked in St. Croix. My friend and I went out to Buck Island Reef, and while on the boat, I ran into my eighth grade science teacher. His wife and my friend were from the same town in Ohio.

Subject: RE: BS: Six Degrees Of Separation
From: Fossil
Date: 11 Oct 07 - 04:48 PM

Well, I live in NZ, where six degrees is far too many for the natives - everyone seems to know everyone else. But my story is:

Quite a few years ago, back in the 'seventies, I was heavily involved in the UK hang-gliding and ultralight aviation scene. I was the editor of the magazine "Wings!" for a while, Chair of the Southern Hang-Gliding Club, and so on.

Well, time went by, I moved off to Belgium, got into sailing, lost most of my contacts with the flying scene. And one year, my wife and I went to Cornwall for a winter holiday. Rather bad weather, but it cleared in the afternoon and I went out for a long walk on the beach - between Gwithian and Cambourne, on the North Coast. This is a huge beach, five miles or so long, by about half a mile wide, golden sands, very scenic. And the surf was pounding, spray was flying and in a Force 8 wind, it was rough and cold, but exhilarating. I had the beach pretty much to myself and was relishing the loneliness.

Away in the distance, I saw a small figure also walking in the opposite direction along the waterline, amongst the flying spray and sand. We gradually approached each other, It took ages, 15 minutes or so to close the gap. Eventually the other figure got close enough. Instead of the "Afternoon..." I'd expected, the first thing this stranger said to me was "You're Tony Fuell aren't you?"

Turned out he was from the North of England and we had spent one afternoon sitting in line together on a hill at a hang-gliding competition.

Hmm. Coincidence, of course, but the surroundings and the circumstances made it special.

Good thread this!

Subject: RE: BS: Six Degrees Of Separation
From: Amos
Date: 11 Oct 07 - 04:49 PM

One time on an overnight train from Copenhagen to Paris, my passport was stolen. I had only a few days to get to a business meeting in Lisbon, but I oculdn't leave town without a passport; the embassy said they needed a birth certificate or the testimony of an American citizen. Completely out of options I called the only people I knew in Paris, a French family who had once lived in our home town, and they were kind enough to offer me a place to stay while I waited for a birth certificate to be dug up and forwarded.

When I walked into the apartment who should I find but a little silver-haired lady who had once been our town's school principal when I was in second grade; she was traveling around the world by herself nad had just stopped by to visit the same family, by coincidence. She was more than happy to come to the embassy with me and testify as to my identity, and I was on my way with a passport the next day.

I hadn't seen her since second grade, or thought of her in fifteen years.


A

Subject: RE: BS: Six Degrees Of Separation
From: Uncle_DaveO
Date: 11 Oct 07 - 08:17 PM

When I first heard the 6 degree hypothesis, I pooh-poohed it, big time!

Then I recalled that, while I was raised in a working class family in a small city in Minnesota, with (as far as I could see) no particular connections, there was more there than met the eye.

My mother (connection 1) was for years the secretary of the county Democrat-Farmer-Labor party. During the 1948 presidential campaign Truman's train ran through our city, and as a local functionary my mother (1) rode with Truman (2) to the next stop. Truman, of course, had a long political career, climaxing as President of the U.S. Can you imagine how far the third step would take you?   Mind-boggling! My mother was also slightly acquainted with Hubert Humphrey (2), and there again, a wide, wide connection spread, although overlapping with that of Truman. Remember the overlap. It soon gets in the way.

Even with that staggering connection spread in just three levels and the greater spread implicit in the next three, however, there's a bug in the 6 level argument. That is the overlap factor you can see exemplified in the Humphrey-Truman spreads referred to above.

If the idea is that six levels, starting back then, would reach from me to everyone on the planet today, remember there have been several generations born and raised in the meantime. Yes, generations of descent can carry the levels wider, but they also use up the remaining level count. And remember that here again we get connection-spread overlap.

Six levels surely would result in my having connections pretty much world-wide, but every last inhabitant of the Earth, today? No way.
Primitive tribe members in remote places, generations down from my original connection to my mother, will be untouched within the mere six levels.

Dave Oesterreich

Subject: RE: BS: Six Degrees Of Separation
From: Bill D
Date: 11 Oct 07 - 09:09 PM

There seems to be a bit of confusion between examples of "six degrees" and interesting stories of coincidental meetings.
   *I* once met a guy I knew slightly from Iowa in a store in Juneau, Alaska....but it has little relevance to the six degrees idea. I enjoy the stories, but they are a bit of thread drift...(what! thread drift? here at Mudcat? )

I repeat...those who claim 6 degrees need to specify how well one needs to know anyone in the next link.

Subject: RE: BS: Six Degrees Of Separation
From: Azizi
Date: 11 Oct 07 - 09:19 PM

Thanks for sharing such interesting stories nnd comments!

Here's one from me:

When I was a sophomore in college, I went on my first train ride to Lincoln University for their homecoming. About half way to my destination, this African American woman about my age got on the train and we struck up a conversation. I mentioned to this woman that I lived on a college campus in East Orange, New Jersey and she told me that she was thinking of relocating to that area. When I reached my destination, we exchanged phone numbers. About three months after that, at the start of a new semester, I decided to move off campus. Since I was young and not very street smart, I decided it would probably be better for me to find a furnished room in the some family's residence. I had to find a room quick, fast, and in a hurry or remain in the dorms. But after a hectic, difficult search, I found this really nice room in this really nice home in this really nice neighborhhood. And the woman who owned the house was really quite nice. However, I didn't take that room because this nice woman had a REALLY big, REALLY fat cat.

And I'm not that fond of cats.

When she showed me the room, the woman casually said to me "Don't worry if you wake up at night and see Fluffy {or some such name} sleeping in the bed with you. This is her bed. She's used to sleeping in here. Then that really nice woman told me that when I came there to live I could NEVER close my bedroom door because then Fluffy wouldn't be able to come in and out of the room whenever she wanted to.

Did I mention that I'm not that fond of cats?

So it was back to the college dorm for me.

About 3 months after this experience, I got a phone call from the woman I had met on the train. She said she had moved to East Orange, New Jersey and she had found a really nice room in a really nice home in a really nice neighborhood. The only problem she had with the room was that some nights she would wake up and find this REALLY big REALLY fat cat sleeping in the bed with her.

You guessed it. That woman moved into the exact same room I didn't take.

What are the odds of that happening?

Subject: RE: BS: Six Degrees Of Separation
From: Azizi
Date: 11 Oct 07 - 09:29 PM

Actually when I started this thread, I used the phrase "six degrees of separation" as a way of referring to the seemingly unexplainable connections a "stranger" may find out that she or he has with another "stranger".

These coincidence stories are what I was hoping to read in this thread, even though they may not be what "six degrees of separation" actually means.

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Some folks will disagree, but I believe that one reason why these experiences happen to people is so that they would know that there's more to life than what meets the eye.

Subject: RE: BS: Six Degrees Of Separation
From: Peace
Date: 11 Oct 07 - 09:39 PM

This reminds me of a neat thing. Has to do with license plates. When ya got nothing to do and time to do it, note the next 20 cars/licensed vehicles that drive by and note the last two digits, regardless of where on the plate those two digits fall. For example, if the plate reads T6RVN42L, the last two digits are 42. If the plate reads RTV2TGRM5, the number is 25. I propose that most of the time you will find two numbers the same. For example, you may have two 91s or two 37s. Given that there is a total of 100 two digit numbers between 00 and 99, well, what's the odds? Just try it a few times. lemme know how you make out.

Subject: RE: BS: Six Degrees Of Separation
From: Neil D
Date: 11 Oct 07 - 10:08 PM

When I was in college I made friends with a couple from a town about 40 miles away. A town of about 25,000 people. They were the only two people from that town I ever met. Years later I met the lady that would become my wife, the beautiful Christina, and even though she was 7 years younger than me and my college friends, her brother had been very good friends with them in high school. My theory is that in any town or city with only one high school there are never more than 2 degrees of separation between any 2 people in that town.

Subject: RE: BS: Six Degrees Of Separation
From: EBarnacle
Date: 11 Oct 07 - 11:12 PM

Peace, When I first took statistics, the prof told us [and demonstrated] that if you put 30 people in a room, it is statistically more than 50% that at least 2 of them will have the same birthday.

Subject: RE: BS: Six Degrees Of Separation
From: Peace
Date: 11 Oct 07 - 11:28 PM

The place I got that from was a book by Desmond Bagley. Loved the book, and have tried that a bunch of times with plates and also phone books. It ends up happening 5/6 times.

I don't know a thing about math or statistics, but I have seen the birthday thing happen. It is neat.

Subject: RE: BS: Six Degrees Of Separation
From: Metchosin
Date: 12 Oct 07 - 12:07 AM

My eldest daughter was across the pond visiting friends in Edinburgh for awhile. One morning she nipped out to get a few groceries and when she was coming out of the shop, met her elementary school friend, a former next door neighbour, from the west coast of Canada, coming in.

Recently, we considered buying a very light weight pop-up camper for our truck, from a small manufacturer in California. I had spoken to the salesman in the US and said I would really like to have a look at one of the units in the flesh, before making up my mind. He said that they had sold a couple of units to Canadians and as luck would have it, one recently to someone, who also lived in Victoria. The salesman said he would put him in contact with me and maybe we could work out a viewing.

A few days later I recieved a phone call from the gentleman and I explained that we actually lived some distance out of Victoria. Turns out so did he...five houses down the road from us.

Subject: RE: BS: Six Degrees Of Separation
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 12 Oct 07 - 12:21 AM

I also participate in a film forum, and we play that game by connecting actors who have worked together on stage or in film back to other actors or occasionally to ourselves. In this game the links have to be documented in someplace like IMDb.

SRS

Subject: RE: BS: Six Degrees Of Separation
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 02 Aug 08 - 04:42 PM

Study confirms 'Kevin Bacon' theory

Survey of instant-messagers finds any two people just 6.6 degrees apart¹
By Peter Whoriskey
The Washington Post
updated 12:00 p.m. CT, Sat., Aug. 2, 2008

WASHINGTON - Turns out, it is a small world.

The "small world theory," embodied in the old saw that there are just "six degrees of separation" between any two strangers on Earth, has been largely corroborated by a massive study of electronic communication.

With records of 30 billion electronic conversations among 180 million people from around the world, researchers have concluded that any two people on average are distanced by just 6.6 degrees of separation, meaning that they could be linked by a string of seven or fewer acquaintances.

The database covered all of the Microsoft Messenger instant-messaging network in June 2006, or roughly half the world's instant-messaging traffic at that time, researchers said.

***

For the purposes of their experiment, two people were considered to be acquaintances if they had sent one another a text message. The researchers looked at the minimum chain lengths it would take to connect 180 billion different pairs of users in the database. They found that the average length was 6.6 steps and that 78 percent of the pairs could be connected in seven hops or less.

Some pairs, however, were separated by as many as 29 hops².

/quote

¹ ...any two people just 6.6 degrees apart??? The study actually showed that the average separation for a selected sub-population was 6.6, and that 78% of those in that sub-population were "7 or less." This leaves more than a fifth of the people even in this rather restricted fraction of the world more than seven degrees apart.

² Having never sent or received an IM, I guess maybe I'm about 3,476,292 degrees "separated" from Microsoft's higly selected "real people" subgroup; but I'll just have to live with it, I guess.

[I feel so isolated ...]

John

Subject: RE: BS: Six Degrees Of Separation
From: Alice
Date: 02 Aug 08 - 05:37 PM

but you've posted on mudcat to many people who use IM. (I don't use it either.)

Subject: RE: BS: Six Degrees Of Separation
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 02 Aug 08 - 06:05 PM

Yes, Alice, but it only counts (according to Microsoft) if they can contact you by IM. Otherwise you're not part of the world - according to that report.

Maybe we don't even have a "degree of separation." As non-instanters we probably don't even really exist.

John

Subject: RE: BS: Six Degrees Of Separation
From: Amos
Date: 03 Aug 08 - 12:53 AM

My wife and I made friends with a very warm, intelligent couple and visited with them frequently over a period eight years. Although she was from the Lousiana coastal zone, and my wife was born in Minnesota, it turned out hat, being both born to military families, they had both traveled around quite a bit--in fact they had both lived in New Jersey, although not in the same town.

One day, one of them was talking about her childhood accordion lessons, and l o, it turned out they had both played accordion when in grade school.

At a later visit, one of them said, "My accordion teacher was a strange man."

"So was mine".

"Mine disappeared suddenly without a trace."

"So did mine!!!!!"

It turns out they had both been taking accordion lessons from the same man, as one of them lived at the southernmost town in his territory and the other in the northernmost; and that he had left both of them (and all his other students) in the lurch when he vanished suddenly one day back in the late 50's.

And we met thousands of miles and adventures distant in San Diego, and were friends for years before they discovered this common experience.

Small world, ain't it?


A

Subject: RE: BS: Six Degrees Of Separation
From: Alice
Date: 03 Aug 08 - 10:43 AM

The connection to a stranger on Mudcat for me is that another Mudcatter in New England, it turns out, is the father of my doctor here in Montana.

Subject: RE: BS: Six Degrees Of Separation
From: bankley
Date: 03 Aug 08 - 12:26 PM

I met Murdoch on Mudcat after not hearing from him for 30 yrs. The result was a new CD.
I was reluctant to shake his hand, however, because I didn't know where it had been
.....or what it had 'shook'...

Subject: RE: BS: Six Degrees Of Separation
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 03 Aug 08 - 01:03 PM

How much does the online '6 degrees' rely on the fact that millions of us have recieved messages from the same 'spam' providers?

Also despite the 'coincidences' mentioned above, no-one ever takes notice of the fact that the majority of their dealings are with people with whom they've never had cause to say "what a small world"

Subject: RE: BS: Six Degrees Of Separation
From: Mr Happy
Date: 07 May 09 - 09:42 AM

It occurred to me that the 6 degrees is greatly enhanced by the network[s] I'm already in, namely the main one being the folk world - it being astinishing how many folk I've got to know who know each other or know someone who knows of them either directly or through mutual acquaintances.

Especially since being online, Mudcatting in particular, I now know both in reality & virtually piles of folkies all over the world - innit fab?!?!!

Subject: RE: BS: Six Degrees Of Separation
From: Donuel
Date: 07 May 09 - 09:51 AM

2 degrees of seperation from Warren Buffet. My friend CT has his music subsidized by Warren Buffet.

There are people who serve as gate keepers however. In this case an Executive from Taiwan Airlines would qualify as a gate keeper.