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(Penny) Whistling

DonMeixner 27 Apr 99 - 08:17 PM
Cap't Bob 27 Apr 99 - 11:14 PM
Joe Offer 27 Apr 99 - 11:29 PM
28 Apr 99 - 12:10 AM
katlaughing 28 Apr 99 - 12:44 AM
Joe Offer 28 Apr 99 - 12:56 AM
Les B 28 Apr 99 - 12:57 AM
Joe Offer 28 Apr 99 - 01:14 AM
Dale Rose 28 Apr 99 - 01:51 AM
John in Brisbane 28 Apr 99 - 01:54 AM
Dale Rose 28 Apr 99 - 01:56 AM
alison 28 Apr 99 - 02:53 AM
katlaughing 28 Apr 99 - 03:57 AM
murray@mpce.mq.edu.au 28 Apr 99 - 05:23 AM
Joe Offer 28 Apr 99 - 07:03 AM
hank 28 Apr 99 - 08:47 AM
Bev Lawton 28 Apr 99 - 08:56 AM
Cap't Bob 28 Apr 99 - 01:42 PM
Colin The Whistler (inactive) 28 Apr 99 - 05:03 PM
Cap't Bob 28 Apr 99 - 05:14 PM
DonMeixner 28 Apr 99 - 10:46 PM
alison 28 Apr 99 - 10:55 PM
Margo 29 Apr 99 - 10:13 AM
Bruce from Bathurst 30 Apr 99 - 12:45 AM
Ana 30 Apr 99 - 01:35 AM
DonMeixner 30 Apr 99 - 09:02 AM
murray@mpce.mq.edu.au 01 May 99 - 09:07 AM
Genie 06 Apr 02 - 04:01 AM
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Subject: Whistling
From: DonMeixner
Date: 27 Apr 99 - 08:17 PM

Hello All,

As a newbie with the whistle I have what may be fundamental questions. I realize that because your whistle may be a given key, "D" frinstance, that doesn't mean you can't play in other keys with that whistle does it? I assume that because whistles are diatonic you can cross key much the way a Harmonica (mouthharp) can be played. When playing in a minor key are some whistles better suited for certain minor keys. "D" is better suited to "Em", "C" to "Dm", stuff like that there. Am I on track here or hopelessly out in the shrubbs?

Don


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Subject: RE: Whistling
From: Cap't Bob
Date: 27 Apr 99 - 11:14 PM

Don

You seem to be right on track with the the penny whistle. A "D" whistle is good for songs with 1, 2, or 3 #'s. With the "D" whistle its is fairly easy to play it in either "D", "G", or "A", and the minors "Em", "Am", and "Bm". Most of the Irish tunes go well with the "D" whistle. I have whistles in several keys, however, since we play mostly Irish music the other whistles get very little use.

Cap't Bob


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Subject: RE: Whistling
From: Joe Offer
Date: 27 Apr 99 - 11:29 PM

Oh, a pennywhistle. I was sitting here for a long time, trying to adjust my pucker to change the key of my whistle. Now I understand.....
-Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: Whistling
From:
Date: 28 Apr 99 - 12:10 AM

You know to whistle ... don't you Joe?

Just put your lips together and blow.


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Subject: RE: Whistling
From: katlaughing
Date: 28 Apr 99 - 12:44 AM

Don't let them pick on you, Joe! There weren't any pennywhistles out here. I was thinking about all the hours of practise I've put into perfecting my all-natural whistle, too!

katpuckeringup


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Subject: RE: Whistling
From: Joe Offer
Date: 28 Apr 99 - 12:56 AM

Yeah, but I whistle like I sing. I do it just fine, but if I have to stop and think what key I'm in, I can't do it.
-Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: Whistling
From: Les B
Date: 28 Apr 99 - 12:57 AM

That raises an interesting question. As a kid I used to hear whistlers (pucker type) on the radio. Did any folk artists ever get well-known for whistling & picking ??


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Subject: RE: Whistling
From: Joe Offer
Date: 28 Apr 99 - 01:14 AM

hmmm. Something makes me think of Guy Mitchell. I think he whistled, and I imagine he could play the guitar, but I'm too young to remember. You'll have to ask some old guy about him. Lord knows we got old guys around here....
-Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: Whistling
From: Dale Rose
Date: 28 Apr 99 - 01:51 AM

Now, if you want real whistling, you gotta go back into the olden days. Besmark is a maker of tapes of old time music, and here is their tape of whistling records! Pay special attention to cuts 12 and 13 for examples by my personal favorite, Sybil Sanderson Fagan. For your convenience, here are shortcuts to The Nightingale and the Frogs and Whistling Rufus, which is credited on the page only to Prince's Orchestra, but rest assured, that is SSF doing the whistling! I had these on old 78s as a boy, and they were among my very favorites. Also on the tape is Guido Gialdini, another old time whistler I liked. I would guess that all recording on the tape are pre 1930.

Apologies to the tinwhistlers for being off topic, but then, I didn't start us down this road!


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Subject: RE: Whistling
From: John in Brisbane
Date: 28 Apr 99 - 01:54 AM

The 'Yet Another Digital Tradition' Page gives whistle tablature for the tunes in the DT, plus it will allow you to transpose that tune into all the other keys - just perfect for fiddling around with a whistle.

Roger Whittaker is a folky singer from South Africa who had a few hits here in the ?80's. He is one mean whistler.

One of The (original) Seekers wasn't too bad either.

Regards
John


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Subject: RE: Whistling
From: Dale Rose
Date: 28 Apr 99 - 01:56 AM

Looks messy, but everything works. That whole long first section (wasn't supposed to be that way!)takes you to the track listing, and click on the two song titles for direct access to the real audio.


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Subject: RE: Whistling
From: alison
Date: 28 Apr 99 - 02:53 AM

Hi Don,

Yes you are right you can play in more than one key on each whistle, you can easily play in two (eg on a D whistle you can play in D or G...... A can be managed but you have to bend notes to get the G#, plus you can play in the relative minors Em and Bm.)

Here are some other whistle threads which might be of interest...

Tin whistles- tweekin' and tuning

Tin whistle preferences

slainte

alison


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Subject: RE: Whistling
From: katlaughing
Date: 28 Apr 99 - 03:57 AM

Dale: you ARE as sweet as a Rose! Thanky ou so much for the link to the Victrola page. We have a bunch of these we grew up listening to that my sister is going to hopefully have time to record for us this summer. Plus I have a friend whose uncle was a record exec. who gave my friend every 78 his company ever came out with. With those two collections, the old time 78's sound and music selections are a priceless memory for me. How wonderful that someone has recorded them! Thank you, Thank you,

katlaughing And, the whistling *ain't* bad either!


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Subject: RE: Whistling
From: murray@mpce.mq.edu.au
Date: 28 Apr 99 - 05:23 AM

There is a guy who made some old records called Bob MacGimsey. He was billed as the "world champion whistler" and he could whistle double stops. I have him on a Jimmie Rodgers tape. It sort-of reminds me of the story of the guy who was taken to see a performance of a Pagannini Caprice. Afterwards he was asked how he liked it and he said "not much." "But it is a very difficult piece," he was told. "Difficult, hell. I wish it were impossible," he answered.

And now that I got started. Some of you old-timers might remember the Ernie Kovacs show on early US television. He had one great gag where thee scene opens on an old woman on a rocking chair looking like Whistler's mother. After a few milliseconds the chair starts to rock and the woman's knitting needles start moving. Then she looks at the camera and says, "Other mothers have sons who become doctors and lawyers. My son, he whistles,"

Anonymous: I always thought the scene would have been better if Lauren Bacal(l?) said that after Bogart had eaten a good helping of Saltines.

Murray


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Subject: RE: Whistling
From: Joe Offer
Date: 28 Apr 99 - 07:03 AM

Ah, Murray, you're sharp. I had forgotten that line, but now I couldn't remember what movie without doing a Web search.
Subject: RE: Whistling
From:
Date: 28-Apr-99 - 12:10 AM

You know to whistle ... don't you Joe?

Just put your lips together and blow.
Click here and here. Gee, she was sexy, wasn't she?

Hmmm. I've been missing a LOT of things lately. I think Ferrara's "Senior Moments" are contagious. Good thing they invented search engines to relplace our memories, eh?
-Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: Whistling
From: hank
Date: 28 Apr 99 - 08:47 AM

Maybe Joe can just put his lips togather and blow, but if I try that the closest I get to music sounds like a sick tea kettle. Ick, I'd rather hear a cockne choir singing flat.


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Subject: RE: Whistling
From: Bev Lawton
Date: 28 Apr 99 - 08:56 AM

Don if you send me your e-mail address I have some charts that illustrate the cross-over points of the various types on pennywhistle. D C A Bflat ETC. Bev Lawton


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Subject: RE: Whistling
From: Cap't Bob
Date: 28 Apr 99 - 01:42 PM

TO THOSE OF YOU WHO ARE NOT SATISFIED WITH YOUR OWN NATURAL WHISTLE KEY: I have a dentist who says that he can adjust the FIPPLE OPENING in the mouth by grinding off portions of the front teeth allowing a person to whistle in any key he/she darn well chooses. Minors are free!

Perhaps there is a dentist in your part of the world who can do the same thing.

Cap't Bob


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Subject: RE: Whistling
From: Colin The Whistler (inactive)
Date: 28 Apr 99 - 05:03 PM

Don you are going into complexities that you need not concern yourself with. Always make sure you have a full range of whistles..Yes.. as Alison says you can deviate slightly from the key'd whistle you are playing..but whats the point in cross fingering and half notes when all you need to do is change whistles. Now enough of this, and follow what I told you to do the last time..or you'll be staying in over lunch break...practising your cross fingering.

Slainte Colin Ballygally


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Subject: RE: Whistling
From: Cap't Bob
Date: 28 Apr 99 - 05:14 PM

I don't know about that Colin. I seem to prefer playing an occasional "C" natural to wearing the skin off the sides of my fingers trying to play a "G" pennywhistle.

Cap't Bob


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Subject: RE: Whistling
From: DonMeixner
Date: 28 Apr 99 - 10:46 PM

Colin and All,

Thanks for the info. here where I was going with this. I play harmonica so I know about cross keysand since Harmonicas and whistles are both diatonic I wondered if multiple keys were commonlly played on whistles. Lets face it, the Generation "G" whistle is not playable by most adult hands. Is it better to play in "G" on another whistle? My big wonder was minor keys. You really need to buy minor key haromicas if you plan to play mouthharps in a minor key, that is apparently not so with a pennywhistle. Except for Low Whistles I have Generation pennywhistles in every available key including some whistles I have made that work fine. They seem to be in the key "B" strange but they sound nice.

I do tend to research rather heavily. But then its nice to know the ins and outs ain't it?

Don


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Subject: RE: Whistling
From: alison
Date: 28 Apr 99 - 10:55 PM

Hi Don,

play in G on the D whistle.... being a "petite" girlie type... (alan and Garry... not one word!!!).. I have no trouble playing the G whistle.... but other people with bigger hands do. I really like the G but it tends to be too piercing for most folks to endure for any length of time......... tends to shatter windows and loosen fillings.......

If you organise your tunes properly you shouldn't have to change whistles during the set.

slainte

alison


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Subject: RE: Whistling
From: Margo
Date: 29 Apr 99 - 10:13 AM

Hey! Just the other day I was told that I whistle like a man. (What the ??????) I Whistle quite a bit. I usually enter the store with a tune on my lips from the last song playing on the casette player in the car. I am developing lines above my upper lip, lines that I used to think were unattractive. But they are from the places where I pucker. So they are whistle lines! Better yet, kiss lines. I have had people ask me if I whistle professionally! (What the ???????) Ah well, it's nice to know I do something well.

Margarita


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Subject: RE: Whistling
From: Bruce from Bathurst
Date: 30 Apr 99 - 12:45 AM

The Kipper Family recorded many parodies of English folk songs, but they also recorded 'The Whistling Monologue' on The Kipper Family Album in the mid 80s.

Here's how you do it. Take a line such as "There's a stain on the floor of the bar-room", and whistle it rather than recite it. Get the idea? Now expand it into a three minute story, with every inflection and nuance you can muster. Don't forget to conclude the story with much pathos. Amazing but true.

Bruce


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Subject: RE: Whistling
From: Ana
Date: 30 Apr 99 - 01:35 AM

I'm pretty good on the pucker-up whistle (lots of solo practice I guess) but the penny's got me a little stumped - Can't get past catatonic scales. Any suggestions?


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Subject: RE: Whistling
From: DonMeixner
Date: 30 Apr 99 - 09:02 AM

Ana,

I think you are confusing this whole thread with an earlier thread regarding the Catatonic Scale.

The Catatonic Scale was first developed in the mountains of Catalonia where music was played on large wooden flutes made from the hollowed out branches of the Catalpa tree. Catatonic Scale is well suited for the long, slow, almost boring music played there. Its rare to find a musical form based solely on a three note scale. And the Catalpa Flute is the only instrument that naturally is able to play in the key of "M", a key usually reserved for some vocalists. These instruments have migrated with their owners (Some say for political reasons) to New York state and can be found from the heart of the Catskill Mountains all the way to Cattaragus (sp) County. Noteable pieces are The Cattatta In "M" for Flute and Stone by Wadlow Cuffington, and Terrelli's Caticle for simultanious Flute and Voice also in "M". There are other folkmelodies but they have never been recorded as then tended to put the collectors to sleep.

I hope this clears things up a little for you.

Don


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Subject: RE: Whistling
From: murray@mpce.mq.edu.au
Date: 01 May 99 - 09:07 AM

I am too lazy to find my harp and try it out; but Don why can't you play A minor on a C harp? At least melodies.

Murray


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Subject: RE: Whistling
From: Genie
Date: 06 Apr 02 - 04:01 AM

Les B, There was a guy named Don something-or-other who had a big hit called "The Happy Whistler" in the 1950's. He was of the caliber of Roger Whitaker. [Al Jolson wasn't too shabby, either.]

BTW, I was drawn to this thread--looking for discussions of lip-whistling [not using an instrument]--because I have had severe laryngitis for going on two weeks now, and I have had to resort to whistling instead of singing in a couple of my less formal gigs. [The ones where I really needed to sing, I had to cancel.]

I've started wondering whether whistling ability can be honed with practice the way singing can be. Can you increase your range and accuracy of pitch by whistling every day, whistling along with tapes, etc? Or is it pretty much an either-you-can-or-you-can't deal?

Genie


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Subject: RE: Whistling
From: Louie Roy
Date: 06 Apr 02 - 08:01 PM

Joe yes Guy Mitchell was an excellent whistler,but please quit talking about me.Louie Roy


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Subject: RE: Whistling
From: Night Owl
Date: 07 Apr 02 - 01:41 AM

Reading this thread with PART of a 50/60's song in my ears...........

"Never felt more like singing the blues
'cause I never thought, that I'd ever lose

you got me singing the blues."

Anyone remember the song AND if that was Guy Mitchell AND if he whistled in the song.....AND what's the NAME of the darn song??


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Subject: RE: Whistling
From: Louie Roy
Date: 07 Apr 02 - 12:27 PM

Night Owl, the name of the song is Singing The Blues and was written by Melvin Endsley and recorded by Gail Davies.I don't have the date of the recording.I do have the lyrics and I will post if you want them. Louie Roy


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Subject: Lyr/Chords Add: SINGING THE BLUES
From: Genie
Date: 07 Apr 02 - 04:50 PM

SINGING THE BLUES
Recorded by Gail Davies; Guy Mitchell
Written by Melvin Endsley

[C] Well, I never felt more like [F] singin' the blues,
'Cause [C] I never thought that [G] I'd ever lose
Your [C] love [F] dear,
[G] why'd you do me this [C] way?

Well, I never felt more like [F] cryin' all night,
'Cause [C] everything's wrong, there [G] ain't nothin' right
With-[C] out [F] you,
[G] you got me singin' the [C] blues.

Now the [F] moon and stars [C] no longer shine;
The [F] dream is gone I [C] thought was mine;
There's [F] nothin' left for [C] me to do
But Cry-y-y-y over [G] you (cry over you).
Well, [C] I never felt more like [F] runnin' away,
But [C] how can I go when [G] I couldn't stay
With-[C] out [F] you?
[G] You got me singin' the [C] blues.

(Slightly different words in 2nd bridge)
WELL, the moon and stars no longer shine
AND the dream is gone THAT I thought was mine.
There's nothin' left for me to do
But CRY, CRY, CRY, CRY over [G] you (cry over you).

Well, I never felt more like runnin' away,
But how can I go when I couldn't stay
Without you?
You got me singin' the blues.

[from Cowpie]


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Subject: RE: Whistling
From: Genie
Date: 07 Apr 02 - 04:57 PM

I have no idea how that last post got duplicated. I'd swear I hit "submit" only once.

Anyway, it occurred to me that I should've posted this as a lyric add, instead of putting it in this thread. Maybe a clone will fix it.


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Subject: RE: Whistling
From: Genie
Date: 07 Apr 02 - 05:41 PM

The Happy Whistler was recorded by Don Robertson. You can listen to a very scratchy record of it HERE.

Genie


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