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BEST YEARS OF HER LIFE
DEATH OF JOHN KENNEDY
I SAW MY COUNTRY'S FLAG GO DOWN
I'M CALLED LITTLE CAROLINE
LEE HARVEY WAS A FRIEND OF MINE
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Subject: BS: J.F.K., 44 Years Today
From: Beer
Date: 22 Nov 07 - 12:23 PM

Can it really be. The teacher walked in class and was crying.
Beer (adrien)


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Subject: RE: BS: J.F.K., 44 Years Today
From: Little Hawk
Date: 22 Nov 07 - 12:51 PM

He is sorely missed. I will never forget it.


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Subject: RE: BS: J.F.K., 44 Years Today
From: number 6
Date: 22 Nov 07 - 01:19 PM

"What if you could've been there on that day in Dallas
What if you could wrestle back the hands of time
Maybe somethin' could've been done in Memphis
We wouldn't be livin' in a dream that's died"


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Subject: RE: BS: J.F.K., 44 Years Today
From: number 6
Date: 22 Nov 07 - 01:21 PM

... the above is from Steve Earl's song Conspiracy (btw).

biLL


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Subject: RE: BS: J.F.K., 44 Years Today
From: Beer
Date: 22 Nov 07 - 01:27 PM

Wow!, I hadn't heard that before. Must find the song and have a listen.


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Subject: RE: BS: J.F.K., 44 Years Today
From: Rapparee
Date: 22 Nov 07 - 02:08 PM

I was clearing Ft. Riley for home when the news came. I was in the barracks, talking to some other guys who were also leaving. A KP came in and said, "The President's been shot." We said, "Bullshit!" He said, "No, really, turn on the radio."

We did, and heard "...has been taken to a hospital in Dallas...."

The next day I marched in the parade the officially notified us of the death of the Commander In Chief. We marched with arms reversed, at 60 steps per minute, and when you're used to marching at 120 per minute you fall all over yourself and others.


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Subject: RE: BS: J.F.K., 44 Years Today
From: SINSULL
Date: 22 Nov 07 - 02:40 PM

One of those unanswerable "What if?"s. Where would be today had Kennedy not been shot? Maybe we are better off. Maybe he would gotten us into a nuclear conflict.


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Subject: RE: BS: J.F.K., 44 Years Today
From: Little Hawk
Date: 22 Nov 07 - 02:48 PM

Possibly. No one will ever know.


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Subject: RE: BS: J.F.K., 44 Years Today
From: John on the Sunset Coast
Date: 22 Nov 07 - 04:50 PM

Very little notice of this sad anniversary in the Los Angeles media. I think the county's political malaise has it origins in the dastardly event of Nov. 22, 1963.


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Subject: RE: BS: J.F.K., 44 Years Today
From: Charley Noble
Date: 22 Nov 07 - 05:37 PM

It certainly doesn't seem that long ago to me. But I remember my folks saying the same about the bombing or Pearl Harbor or the death of FDR, which happened centuries ago!

One wonders if the election of Nixon in 1968 could have been avoided, or that given 8 years of JFK the country would have sanctioned such a swing to the right.

Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: BS: J.F.K., 44 Years Today
From: Beer
Date: 22 Nov 07 - 06:20 PM

John.
I also find the slow response on this thread a bit surprising as well.


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Subject: RE: BS: J.F.K., 44 Years Today
From: Bobert
Date: 22 Nov 07 - 06:41 PM

Yes, I agree with John on the Left Coast...

Seems as JFK's assasination marked the beginning of the end of "the dream", not because JFK was such an idealist or made things better becuase that is not known... But what it did was signal that their was a faction in this country who thought they could control the agenda thru political assasination... And they did just that...

Now we don't specifically who these folks are but we certainly have no problem in seein' what political groups benefited from a decade's worth of leftist/liberals who were gunned down by people with no apparent motives???

And the US suffers yet today from these assasinations... And, yes. I will admit that because the conservatives have benefited from these assasinations that it makes them even more repulsive to me... You don't see conservatives getting all choked up over the assasinations of JFK, RFK or MLK...

Oh sure, I'll take a blast from them for saying this... They will get all puffed up with righteous indigation... That's fine..

What if it Ronald Reagun, Bush I and Bush II who were killed by folks with no motives... Even Hinkly had more motive (insanity) then Oswald, Surhan and Ray...

Yeah, think about what a dent that would have made in the political landscape...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: J.F.K., 44 Years Today
From: John on the Sunset Coast
Date: 22 Nov 07 - 07:25 PM

First of all, Bobert, conservatives did not benefit from JFK's assassination. They may have benefited from the hippie backlash to the Viet-Nam War, which action caused Lynden Johnson not to run for election in 1968. Also, JFK was much closer to today's Republicans than today's Democrats. He was staunchly anti-Communist, and not loathe to confront them; his main tenet was 'Ask not what your country can do for you, etc'. These are not principles of modern Democrats.
MLK was the first killed, followed by JFK later in the same year. Robert was murdered about 5 years later. The Kennedy assassins did, at least in their own minds, have reason to do their cowardly acts, and were certainly not conservatives. Ray may have acted for his own reasons, or been a hired assassin.
Frankly, these 44 years later, I don't hear of many conservatives or liberals choked up over this anniversary. Too bad you had to politicize it so egregiously.


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Subject: RE: BS: J.F.K., 44 Years Today
From: Little Hawk
Date: 22 Nov 07 - 07:28 PM

Remember the movie "The Manchurian Candidate"? Food for thought there. Perhaps there has been some high level programming of certain susceptible people in regards to carrying out (or serving as the patsy for) certain assassinations. And if there were, how would we ever know about it?


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Subject: RE: BS: J.F.K., 44 Years Today
From: Rapparee
Date: 22 Nov 07 - 08:22 PM

The movie "The Manchurian Candidate" was based upon the NOVEL of the same title. NOVEL. Fiction. A lie told for profit, as one author defined it.

WLS television out of Chicago had a couple of segments on the JFK killing. Apparently it's just the left and right coasts that don't remember.


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Subject: RE: BS: J.F.K., 44 Years Today
From: Little Hawk
Date: 22 Nov 07 - 08:46 PM

Yes, I realize that "Manchurian Candidate" was fiction, and I was not suggesting otherwise. But suppose that something a tad similar might have been done, in the sense of psychologically programming people to perform assassinations...or just setting them up in various ways to take the fall or to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. Like Oswald, for instance.

A lie is something told deliberately to deceive someone. Therefore one should not call a published work of fiction, whose intention is not to deceive, but to entertain or enlighten..."a lie told for profit". Fiction may be written simply for entertainment, or it may have more serious purposes, such as to raise analogies and possibilities which help us better understand our lives. This was the case, for instance, with all of the brilliant fiction written by H.G. Wells. Every story he wrote, though it was fictional, served to raise important philosophical and moral issues about humankind. This is NOT "lying for profit", it is an attempt to enlighten people.


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Subject: RE: BS: J.F.K., 44 Years Today
From: SINSULL
Date: 22 Nov 07 - 09:01 PM

The day of Kennedy's assassination is tattooed on my brain but the horror of September 11th replaced it. I wonder if that plus the exposure of the Kennedy brothers' "loose" living and connection with Marilyn Monroe's suicide (?) has tainted the original saint-like position each had. But then I still see John-John saluting his dead father... sad times.


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Subject: RE: BS: J.F.K., 44 Years Today
From: Bobert
Date: 22 Nov 07 - 09:14 PM

For the record, I am stickin' with the premise that the consercvatives were the one's who benefited from takin' out these folks... Especially RFK and MLK... These were two very extraordianry men with ideals that would have shaped the US in ways that is hard to imagine but I'd I believe that if these 2 men had not been assainated that the country would be in a lot better shape now...

Better shape now??? Yeah, a more just country, not in Iraqmire, not looking down upon a Supreme Court that thinks that Afirmative Action is unconsitutional, not a country in decline...

Can I prove this??? Of course I can't... Nor can anyone prove the converse...

As for motives??? Tell me agian what the motives of the assasins were??? I've never heard any credible motive for any of them...

John Kennedy: Bay of Pigs???

Robert Kennnedy: ???????????????????????????????????

Martin Luther King: ??????????????????????????????????

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: J.F.K., 44 Years Today
From: Sorcha
Date: 22 Nov 07 - 09:16 PM

And now John John is gone too.


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Subject: RE: BS: J.F.K., 44 Years Today
From: Riginslinger
Date: 22 Nov 07 - 09:18 PM

"'Remember the movie "The Manchurian Candidate"?'"


             I always thought showing the movies "The Manchurian Candidate," and "JFK" back to back would make a great lesson plan for college freshmen, but I got out of the business before I had a chance to put it into play.


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Subject: RE: BS: J.F.K., 44 Years Today
From: Bill D
Date: 22 Nov 07 - 09:29 PM

We heard rumors...but I went on to my college class that day.....until the professor - of American History!! - came in and said 3 words...."Yes, it's true." And we all ran for the TVs. I got there just in time to see/hear Walter Cronkite deliver the final word.

   I was actually delivering newspapers for extra money, and had 3 editions of that day's paper...one from before the shooting, one with just headlines, and one with basic stories. And everyone on my route who was home was out waiting for me. It was one interesting week for newspaper boys, finding extra copies for many customers.

I don't know who I'm angrier at, Oswald or Jack Ruby.


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Subject: RE: BS: J.F.K., 44 Years Today
From: Beer
Date: 22 Nov 07 - 09:42 PM

"I don't know who I'm angrier at, Oswald or Jack Ruby."

You just opened a door that was closed. I recall feeling the same thing.


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Subject: RE: BS: J.F.K., 44 Years Today
From: catspaw49
Date: 22 Nov 07 - 10:00 PM

John on the Sunset Coast said:
"MLK was the first killed, followed by JFK later in the same year. Robert was murdered about 5 years later."

I don't think it changes or in any way diminishes what you were saying but just to correct the history, JFK was killed in '63. Martin and Bobby were both shot and killed in '68.

Jack Kennedy was of the WWII generation who respected what other less wealthy Americans wanted after that war. The Camelot analogy of his presidency was apt as many saw in that vision just what was possible. His death gave us the reality and what was not. King's vision again showed us the possiblities on the other side of the mountain. His death showed the sad reality of where we actually were. Bobby showed us that a man could change and move forward with the unity of right and good whether rich or poor, black or white.

Their deaths sadly destroyed any chance of moving forward united by hope. Then 9-11 came along and we were suddenly bound together but with fear instead.

Spaw


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Subject: RE: BS: J.F.K., 44 Years Today
From: Bobert
Date: 22 Nov 07 - 10:10 PM

Me???

Ruby...

But given the absolute "pass" that Sirhan and Ray got in explaining their beef then Oswald probably would have gotten the same pass, maybe be in prison right now or dead and still nobobt trying to connect the dots...

Can anyone here tell me what Sirhan and Ray had in the way of beefs that would have justified a life behind bars???

I mean, this would be a joke if it weren't so friggin' sad that it's obvious to any thinking person that there was a definate pattern with the 60's assasinations... Things like this just ***don't happen***...

And, to me, it's not worth arguing over... There are millions like me who think and believe this to the deepest parts of our souls and while I'd invite anyone to try to offer up evidence that these assasinations weren't politically connected, I'll warn that this evidence better be a lot better than than what is out there now... Which is a bunch of bull...

Sorry, call me stubborn... Call me whatever you want... Bring me evidence that the right wing didn't kill off three leaders of the left... Yeah, bring it on...

Still seriously pissed off... May go the grave seriously pissed off...

***THEY*** did it... ***THEY*** know they did... I know ***THEY*** did it... Millions of other know ***THEY*** did it...

I'm going to just leave this thing alone for now...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: J.F.K., 44 Years Today
From: Charley Noble
Date: 22 Nov 07 - 10:19 PM

Thanks, Spaw, for sorting it out better than most.

I'll always be haunted by the "what might have beens," whether they would have worked or not.

Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: BS: J.F.K., 44 Years Today
From: katlaughing
Date: 22 Nov 07 - 10:28 PM

Excellent summation, Pat. Thanks.

I didn't come in here at first because it surprised me it's really been that long. I also remembered writing of that day in an old thread and didn't want to relive the sadness. But, I cannot find the old thread/posting, so here I am, still sad at our nation's loss and the state of affairs today.

I was ten years old that day in school. My mom came to pick me up early as I wasn't feeling well. When I got in the car she had on the radio and was in a state of shock, shushing me as we listened to the awful news. It had just happened.

My whole family were home, we gathered round the tv and stood, out of respect, as we listened to Walter Cronkite telling us "the way it was" wishing there were some way we could take it all back.

I don't care about later revelations about the Kennedys, just like Clinton. I heard him on a talk show last night and was again struck with how much I still wish he was president. Talk about intelligent and articulate and smart! Maybe Clinton is what Kennedy would have become like or was like, but kept it private. I don't know.

I still miss JFK and Bobbie and MLK.

kat


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Subject: RE: BS: J.F.K., 44 Years Today
From: The Villan
Date: 23 Nov 07 - 04:17 AM

I remember that like it was yesterday.
I also know exactly where I was on that day as well.
Never forgotten over here in the UK.


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Subject: RE: BS: J.F.K., 44 Years Today
From: Beer
Date: 23 Nov 07 - 07:21 AM

I guess I should have explained the purpose of this thread. Although it was bound to go left and right I was hoping that folks here would just share their thoughts as they reflect back. Thanks Kat and Villan for bringing it back.
Question? Was this the first live assassination taped and seen around the world? Somewhere in the reassesses of my mind I think I heard this somewhere.

Oh, the teacher that came in crying and broke the news to us was a man. I had never seen a grown man cry.

Beer (adrien)


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Subject: RE: BS: J.F.K., 44 Years Today
From: The Villan
Date: 23 Nov 07 - 09:14 AM

Well I was helping run a dance for our cricket club at a pub in Birmingham UK called The Crossways .
I had heard the news as I was leaving for the pub.
There were over 100 people there and we were all stunned and just could not believe it.
I was 18 at the time.
Taking politics out of it, I thought he was a very popular person (a bit like Lady Di) at the time.


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Subject: RE: BS: J.F.K., 44 Years Today
From: catspaw49
Date: 23 Nov 07 - 09:39 AM

I was in Freshman Civics class oddly enough. The PA system came on and with no intro to what we were hearing, the radio broadcast was played. No one in the class cried at the time. We were suburban, lower middle class, 14 year olds who believed in Camelot and the American Dream and the whole thing was just a shock. How could this happen and why?

Like most others, I spent the next days glued to the TV watching the event unfold. Oswald shot, John-John, Black Jack (the riderless horse), the casket and caisson crossing the bridge.........I remember it very well.

A few years ago when we were visiting Arlington Cemetery, as the bus crossed to go through the gates I looked down at the bridge and the Lincoln Memorial and my mind immediately flashed onto that same scene filled with the funeral procession and the trail of leaders on the way to Arlington. Truthfully, it was a bit of a scary moment...very weird.

Spaw


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Subject: RE: BS: J.F.K., 44 Years Today
From: Linda Goodman Zebooker
Date: 23 Nov 07 - 10:20 AM

This past Tuesday I sang in an interfaith service in a church neighboring my synagogue. As I walked in and viewed the sanctuary, I recalled with some shock the last time I'd been in there. It was for another interfaith service that my parents and I had attended with my aunt and uncle in the days following Pres. Kennedy's death.


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Subject: RE: BS: J.F.K., 44 Years Today
From: GUEST,Wesley S
Date: 23 Nov 07 - 10:26 AM

For what it's worth a local TV station here in north Texas usually runs the original broadcast tapes from that day. It's strange to watch the events unfold before your eyes knowing that they are about to announce the death of a president. Also interesting to see 5 or 6 unknown reporters in the background of these tapes that would soon become household names.


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Subject: RE: BS: J.F.K., 44 Years Today
From: John on the Sunset Coast
Date: 23 Nov 07 - 10:51 AM

Catspaw, you are right, my chronology is off...please chalk it up to haste and anger.

I remember well the time of each assassination, especially that of JFK, and MLK, both had an exceptionally profound effect on my life; RFK slightly less so. I remember hearing the news of Bobby's death really early the morning after the Calif. Primary. At first I thought they were remembering JFK's death 5 years early. It was inconceivably preposterous that both should have been killed.

Bobert (whether you're still looking her or not) it is hard to prove something that you don't want to believe. If each murderer gave a full confession, you still wouldn't change your mind. So fulminate all you want to, it doesn't make your assertions so.


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Subject: RE: BS: J.F.K., 44 Years Today
From: MaineDog
Date: 23 Nov 07 - 11:12 AM

I remember it still. I was hanging out at the college radio station, where I was on the tech staff. I heard the news teletype (!) ring 10 bells -- that only was supposed to happen for a nuclear war. The announcer ran in and ripped off the little piece of yellow paper that contained the news. We faded down the music -- I forgot what it was, and he did his best to read the story. Then we played Mozart's Ave Verum Corpus, which we always had ready just in case -- well, this was the time for it. After that I was too stunned to do anything so I went to the electronics lab to putter around with one of my assignments. My professor was also there trying to hide from it all.
It was Not Fun.
ND


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Subject: RE: BS: J.F.K., 44 Years Today
From: Bobert
Date: 23 Nov 07 - 05:57 PM

It doesn't make my assertions false either, John...

Ummmm, I was in US Government class when I heard about JFK... It was like 5th period... Mr. Cormier was our teacher and was an Ivy Leaguer Democrat with the cordoroy jackets an' all... The class was in an addition that was not part of the rst of the school and someone came to the door, called him out in the hall and when he returned he made the announcement... I can't rmember much beyond that as everyone was just in shock...

In '68 I had started the year actively working for Eugene McCarthy who was running early (by those days standards) as a antiwar candidate... Then Bobby Kennedy got into the reace and I quit the McCarthy campaign, walked into the newly creted Kennedy camapiagn office and asked what they needed me to do... The rest is history... I thought so much of that man... He was a true visionary... So compassionate... I met him and his family at his McLean home and 3 years after his assasination I almost landed a job working at Hickory Hill as a groundskeeper/tutor/baby-sitter...

MLK, however, was the hardest loss... I had a temporary part time job as a draftsman at an engineering firm when I heard the news... I just simply could not believe it... It was the hardest of the 3 for me because Dr. King just had it all... He had the vision... He had the orgainizational skills... He had the charisma... He just had it... I never met Dr. King though I came close on several occasions but I read his speeeches... I have a book entitled " A Testiment of Hope" which is about worn out... It has all of Dr. King's major speeches and essays... Lots of people just pick out the "I Have a Dream" speech in Washington, D.C. because it's what they know... I'd suggest this book to anyone who really wants to see the entire paiting that Dr. King painted...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: J.F.K., 44 Years Today
From: Deckman
Date: 23 Nov 07 - 06:15 PM

That day is forever burned into my brain. I was entering a career of rehabilition services for handicapped persons. I was working with Goodwill Industries in San Jose, California. I was on the loading dock, sorting through incoming furniture, when "Tom" came out to the loading dock, in tears. JFK was a hero, especially to handicapped persons. Tom ran the radio repair shop, and heard the news first. I spent the rest of the day consoling workers, driving them home, making sure that everyone was surrounded with friends.

There have been other horrible "benchmarks," but none as devistating as that horrible day in November. Bob


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Subject: RE: BS: J.F.K., 44 Years Today
From: John on the Sunset Coast
Date: 23 Nov 07 - 07:40 PM

Bobert, I believe that Inuits cultivated oranges in the frozen north of Canada 5000 years ago. I don't have any proof of that, but just because there are no traces of ancient orange trees doesn't make me wrong. It just means no ancient oranges have been found there yet. I like your logic.


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Subject: RE: BS: J.F.K., 44 Years Today
From: fumblefingers
Date: 23 Nov 07 - 08:03 PM

Bobert, Who wuz it? Which right winggie offed the triple initials three?


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Subject: RE: BS: J.F.K., 44 Years Today
From: Bobert
Date: 23 Nov 07 - 08:33 PM

Hey, folks... All one has to do is see who benifited... No, the individuals have covered their tracks, perhaps with an assisit from federal agencies...

Who wants to be the first here to tell me why Sauhan was willing to spend a life in jail, perhaps even be killed there by someone who was pissed off over what he did, in order to kill Bobby Kennedy???

I mean. lets get real here... Folks can have beefs but not to the level where they just go out and ruin their own lives oveer them


Ray is the same... Where's his beef??? Sure there were lotys of rednecks in Memphis in'68... Still are... Why this man jumps out and says, in essence, that he is ready to forfit his life to kill Fr. King is beyond me... Had he been a grand wizzard of the KKK then, yeah, maybe... He was just an ordinary Southern redneck... Ordinary Southern rednecks don't do this kinda stuff or every liberal in America would be dead...

Like who here wants to stand up and say what these folks beefs were???

Or Oswald's??? Or Ruby???

I ain't accusing LBJ or space aliens for these assasinations but I don't think it is out of order for folks who just see them as some coincidence to explain why???

This stuff has never happened in our country before... It did stop a political movement... I just can't accept the "coincidence" argument without someone showing me that these assasins have real greiviences against the people they gunned down...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: J.F.K., 44 Years Today
From: Riginslinger
Date: 23 Nov 07 - 09:31 PM

Bobert - You're right. That's the question: Cui Bono?

       I think it's a lot like planing a board. The more times over the more obvious the imperfections become. Given enough time, I think historians will finally get to the bottom of it.


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Subject: RE: BS: J.F.K., 44 Years Today
From: number 6
Date: 23 Nov 07 - 09:48 PM

The further time drifts off from November 22nd,1963, and the characters involved all die one by one ... so will the truth fade away, and it will be locked away forever.

biLL


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Subject: RE: BS: J.F.K., 44 Years Today
From: Bobert
Date: 23 Nov 07 - 09:52 PM

Well, thanks, Rigs...

There, folks, here's at least one other person on the planet who ain't bought into the "coincidence" argument... I mean, that argument is about as weak as the reason the Bush administration invaded Iraq over...

Anyone who can't see that is either blind to reality or completely brasinwashed by people who have made it their livelyhoods to put down folks who see conspiracies, i.e. the protectors of the rich...

Rich people don't morn the killings of liberals... They toast to them... I don't know the ****actaul**** rich people who were behind these assasinations but they found their assasins, paid them well and then told them if they talked they would be dead, and these poor shmucks went out and did the deeds... That's the way it went down...

Ain't no coincidence here...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: J.F.K., 44 Years Today
From: number 6
Date: 23 Nov 07 - 10:23 PM

"Rich people don't morn the killings of liberals"

That has to be one of the most ludicrous statement I have ever heard.

Jeeeezuz Bobert. They're are many, many rich (meaning economically wealthy) people who are liberals and who support liberal, social justice causes. Being rich doesn't make a person a target for everything evil in this world. Darn right dangerous I'd say.

biLL


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Subject: RE: BS: J.F.K., 44 Years Today
From: number 6
Date: 24 Nov 07 - 12:31 AM

case in point ... Bobby Kennedy mourned the the death of Martin Luther King.

"What we need in the United States is not division; what we need in the United States is not hatred; what we need in the United States is not violence or lawlessness; but love and wisdom, and compassion toward one another, and a feeling of justice toward those who still suffer within our country, whether they be white or they be black."

Part of the text from Bobby Kennedy's speech on the assination of MLK.

I think the world needs to understand those lines more so than ever today whether rich or poor.

Forget about rich, or poor, left or right, Republican or Democrat ... just read that statement ... delivered (compassionately) from a rich guy.

biLL


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Subject: RE: BS: J.F.K., 44 Years Today
From: catspaw49
Date: 24 Nov 07 - 05:58 AM

While I think Bobby may have been the most important figure of the three, the killing of JFK has got to be ranked at the very top of events of change in the history of this country. A true line of demarcation exists after that day. It was not a case of what he had been as a president but more a question of who and what the United States was as a nation. We were never again what we were then and we lost belief that we could be.

Spaw


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Subject: RE: BS: J.F.K., 44 Years Today
From: Bobert
Date: 24 Nov 07 - 08:10 AM

Of course you are correct, #6... I sometimes use "rich people" to mean "Boss Hog" which to me means "The Right Wing Corporatists/Industrialist"...

No, not all rich people toast the killings of liberals... Just the Boss Hog corporatists and their shills...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: J.F.K., 44 Years Today
From: Riginslinger
Date: 24 Nov 07 - 08:29 AM

"The further time drifts off from November 22nd,1963, and the characters involved all die one by one ... so will the truth fade away, and it will be locked away forever..."

            Bill - That's certainly part of it, but a lot of these people have been lying for so long, they have come to believe what they're saying. I don't think there is anything to be gained from them by way of information. Sometimes when they die, however, old letters and communications that have been locked away become public, which sheds more light on the situation.
                   I just don't think they can hide from historians forever. It seems to me that just the movie "JFK" provoked a lot of people to ask questions.


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Subject: RE: BS: J.F.K., 44 Years Today
From: catspaw49
Date: 24 Nov 07 - 10:02 AM

People were questioning the JFK case many years before the movie and in significant numbers. I think Stone's movie may have added a few voices but many of them were just into ANY conspiracy.

The movie may well haved turned some off to the whole thing as well. Stone did history no favor by trying to include every possible alternate scenario and trying to tie them all up in a package deal.

He DID leave out the Pygmy Cannibals with blow darts and ties to the Aryan Nation, but that was about all that was missing..........

geeziz.................

Spaw


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Subject: RE: BS: J.F.K., 44 Years Today
From: John on the Sunset Coast
Date: 24 Nov 07 - 11:05 AM

Good fiction can provoke discussion. Stone set up multiple scenarios, so there is something for every conspiracy nut to discuss. Two adages come to mind: 1) Sometimes a cigar is really just something to smoke. 2) If you throw enough sh=t on the ceiling something something might stick. The rest, of course will spatter on the thrower.


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Subject: RE: BS: J.F.K., 44 Years Today
From: Riginslinger
Date: 24 Nov 07 - 12:11 PM

I think time will tell!


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