BS: There aren't any Gods (not even Jesus)

Subject: BS: There aren't any Gods (not even Jesus)
From: GUEST,Ed.
Date: 30 Nov 07 - 05:22 PM

I'm terribly sorry to have to break this to you, and the fact that you make up a fairly large proportion of the world's population makes it hard, but I have a duty to tell the truth.

Deep breath... God does not exist

If anyone can give me decent evidence as to why I'm wrong, I'd like to here it, along with something more substantial than "mysterious ways"

Subject: RE: BS: There aren't any Gods (not even Jesus)
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 30 Nov 07 - 05:25 PM

Everyone has a choice of what to believe...I suggest that as long as they have fully studied all the religions available and made a considered decision as a result..then how can they be wrong? Are you sure you are right? What is the evidence which led you to this conclusion?

Subject: RE: BS: There aren't any Gods (not even Jesus)
From: Peace
Date: 30 Nov 07 - 05:25 PM

You are an ill-mannered lout.

1) Become a member then start this thread.
2) I fail to see why anyone on this forum should give you a damned thing, and that includes an answer to an ill-stated question which--on the surface--seems to be trolling.
3) PFO.

Subject: RE: BS: There aren't any Gods (not even Jesus)
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 30 Nov 07 - 05:35 PM

Seems a rational sort of chap.

Compare the behaviour of theists over the centuries with the behaviour of agnostics and atheists and humanists over the centuries.

Subject: RE: BS: There aren't any Gods (not even Jesus)
From: Bobert
Date: 30 Nov 07 - 05:35 PM

Can you prove "God does not exist", Ed??? I mean, you are the one who has made the statement... Seems that the burden of proof falls on you, pal...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: There aren't any Gods (not even Jesus)
From: Donuel
Date: 30 Nov 07 - 05:38 PM

I kinda like the quality of Hinduism that denotes various gods for various systems.

Subject: RE: BS: There aren't any Gods (not even Jesus)
From: Wesley S
Date: 30 Nov 07 - 05:39 PM

Another troll thread started by a - DEEP BREATH - Guest.

"Here" evidence? Or "hear" evidence?

Subject: RE: BS: There aren't any Gods (not even Jesus)
From: Riginslinger
Date: 30 Nov 07 - 05:43 PM

On the other hand, look at all the fuss those buffoons are raising because that teacher let her class name a teddy bear Mohamed. Sound like a typical religious reaction to me.

Subject: RE: BS: There aren't any Gods (not even Jesus)
From: Little Hawk
Date: 30 Nov 07 - 05:51 PM

Ho hum.

Subject: RE: BS: There aren't any Gods (not even Jesus)
From: Amos
Date: 30 Nov 07 - 05:55 PM

Ya got any news, pal? Or are you working on a high-school term paper?


A

Subject: RE: BS: There aren't any Gods (not even Jesus)
From: John on the Sunset Coast
Date: 30 Nov 07 - 05:57 PM

Actually, I would say that is an atypical religious reaction. Of billions of religious people only a small percentage act like that. But they are the proverbial squeaky wheel. Good, upstanding religious folk rarely make the news.

Subject: RE: BS: There aren't any Gods (not even Jesus)
From: Rapparee
Date: 30 Nov 07 - 05:57 PM

Well, I exist and I created everything and everyone here.

Subject: RE: BS: There aren't any Gods (not even Jesus)
From: Little Hawk
Date: 30 Nov 07 - 06:00 PM

Heh! Yeah, he comes here like he's got a revelation to lay before us all, doesn't he? It's like having someone draw you aside into a quiet corner, check around in all directions to make sure no one will distract the two of you, and say......"Look, I hate to break it to you, but there IS no Santa Claus and no tooth fairy either. I am so brilliant that I figured this out all by myself. If you want to bow down and worship someone, let it be me."

Subject: RE: BS: There aren't any Gods (not even Jesus)
From: Amos
Date: 30 Nov 07 - 06:01 PM

Oh, Rap[aire....no,. you didn't. Sure you exist, but it's probationary, you recall.


A

Subject: RE: BS: There aren't any Gods (not even Jesus)
From: GUEST,Shimrod
Date: 30 Nov 07 - 06:09 PM

"Can you prove "God does not exist", Ed??? I mean, you are the one who has made the statement... Seems that the burden of proof falls on you, pal..."

Sorry, Bobert, but no-one can prove a negative. The "burden of proof" still lies with the theist. I suppose, strictly speaking, he should start with the 'null hypothesis' (ie. there is no God) and then consider the evidence (if there is any) to the contrary.

If, on the other hand, the theist maintains that he relies on 'faith', and needs no proof, then he cannot demand any sort of proof from the atheist and there are no grounds for discussion. Nevertheless, if the theist resorts to these tactics he cannot demand that the atheist either share or respect his 'faith'.
I suppose this explains why some theists have used, and are still using, violence, or the threat of it, to get their own way.

Subject: RE: BS: There aren't any Gods (not even Jesus)
From: GUEST,Ed
Date: 30 Nov 07 - 06:15 PM

Thank you, Shimrod. You express my thoughts far better than me.

Subject: RE: BS: There aren't any Gods (not even Jesus)
From: Little Hawk
Date: 30 Nov 07 - 06:16 PM

Santa Claus comes in in the "S" section. Tooth fairy in the "T" section which immediately follows... ;-)

Subject: RE: BS: There aren't any Gods (not even Jesus)
From: skipy
Date: 30 Nov 07 - 06:17 PM

For me, there is no God, there has never been a God & there will never be a God.
For the rest of you, believe whatever you want too, you have the right to, but don't try & push it onto anyone else!
Skipy

Subject: RE: BS: There aren't any Gods (not even Jesus)
From: Little Hawk
Date: 30 Nov 07 - 06:22 PM

Right, skipy. ;-) Did you notice that the whole premise of this thread as it was launched by Guest above was to push a certain point of view on everyone else? One wonders what the payoff would be for him if everyone in the world suddenly converted and agreed with him? I guess he would have to find a new Everest to climb then... ;-)

Subject: RE: BS: There aren't any Gods (not even Jesus)
From: Little Hawk
Date: 30 Nov 07 - 06:31 PM

How about out for a nice walk? Breathe the fresh air?

Subject: RE: BS: There aren't any Gods (not even Jesus)
From: Riginslinger
Date: 30 Nov 07 - 06:43 PM

"Good, upstanding religious folk rarely make the news."


                You're right! I've never found one, or even heard of one. They must stay pretty well hidden.

Subject: RE: BS: There aren't any Gods (not even Jesus)
From: gnu
Date: 30 Nov 07 - 06:44 PM

Screw that, LH. That would just prove that it's Goddamn cold outside. Here, that is... and I wouldn't force the cold northwest wind here tonight on anyone.

Subject: RE: BS: There aren't any Gods (not even Jesus)
From: TheSnail
Date: 30 Nov 07 - 07:40 PM

I'm inclined to think that ignosticism is the best option although I am rather drawn to the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster.

Subject: RE: BS: There aren't any Gods (not even Jesus)
From: bobad
Date: 30 Nov 07 - 07:50 PM

There is one true god and this Church Of Bob is his church.

Subject: RE: BS: There aren't any Gods (not even Jesus)
From: katlaughing
Date: 30 Nov 07 - 07:51 PM

Not another one of those threads?! *sighs and shakes head*

Subject: RE: BS: There aren't any Gods (not even Jesus)
From: Amos
Date: 30 Nov 07 - 08:00 PM

Jaysus, didn't we hammer this whole arena to death about two months ago? What is it with these crazy fucks who think the context of the world is the context of their peabrains? Seriously, if you were going to barge into a community with such portentous announcements, doncha think you'd bother seeing what went before on the topic? That is, if you were even 20% literate?


A

Subject: RE: BS: There aren't any Gods (not even Jesus)
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 30 Nov 07 - 08:12 PM

He's B.a.a.a.a.a.a.ck!

(Puts fingers in ears)

La la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la!

Subject: RE: BS: There aren't any Gods (not even Jesus)
From: GUEST,Observer
Date: 30 Nov 07 - 08:44 PM

Of course there is a God, and he's a mean SOB. How do I know that?? Because 98% of the time I hear someone call upon him, it is to "damn it," whatever 'it' may be.

So there you are...

Subject: RE: BS: There aren't any Gods (not even Jesus)
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 30 Nov 07 - 08:49 PM

He seems to be present a lot when sex is going on too...

Subject: RE: BS: There aren't any Gods (not even Jesus)
From: Little Hawk
Date: 30 Nov 07 - 09:17 PM

Of course he's present when sex is going on, Foolestroupe! God is supposed to be omnipresent, correct? That means everywhere. Not just somewhere, everywhere.

That almost works with Bob Dylan, but not quite. I distinctly remember one or two situations I was in and Bob wasn't there. It almost works with Shatner too....but again, just short by a whisker.

But here's what I really think about it. People who start provocative, useless threads like this one should be doomed to eternal harassment by people exactly like themselves, but with precisely the opposite outward beliefs! Judgmental, self-righteous pests with a zeal to convert, in other words.

Subject: RE: BS: There aren't any Gods (not even Jesus)
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 30 Nov 07 - 09:29 PM

So who's YOUR nemises then, LH?

:-)

Subject: RE: BS: There aren't any Gods (not even Jesus)
From: Little Hawk
Date: 30 Nov 07 - 09:39 PM

I'd say that would be whichever woman I happened to fall in love with at any given time in the past. ;-) They tend to attain a godlike stature and power in my daily existence.

I do not, however, demand that others worship them too!

I'm not sure that's what you were really asking me, but do I really care? ;-)

Subject: RE: BS: There aren't any Gods (not even Jesus)
From: Riginslinger
Date: 30 Nov 07 - 09:43 PM

"...self-righteous pests with a zeal to convert,..."


                     I would agree. A zeal to convert is a pain in the ass no matter which side of the divide they're on.

Subject: RE: BS: There aren't any Gods (not even Jesus)
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 30 Nov 07 - 09:45 PM

"I'm not sure that's what you were really asking me, but do I really care? ;-)"

And you think YOU are talking to someone who cares? :-P

Subject: RE: BS: There aren't any Gods (not even Jesus)
From: Rapparee
Date: 30 Nov 07 - 09:45 PM

We have yet to hear from the eminent and imminent philosopher "Shane" McBride on this subject. Or Cletus and the boys. Or the Little Pissant.

Subject: RE: BS: There aren't any Gods (not even Jesus)
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 30 Nov 07 - 09:48 PM

You're right Rapaire, but it looks like The Troll has once again stirred the pot and started a long thread agaiin, so - must be happy to have 'achieved goal' again...

Subject: RE: BS: There aren't any Gods (not even Jesus)
From: Amos
Date: 30 Nov 07 - 09:49 PM

I am in fact presently cutting a deal with that movie star he is so infatuated with to start a thread about him, about the non-existence of Shatner.


A

Subject: RE: BS: There aren't any Gods (not even Jesus)
From: Riginslinger
Date: 30 Nov 07 - 09:49 PM

It is frustrating that somebody would start a thread like this without letting other posters know who they are.

Subject: RE: BS: There aren't any Gods (not even Jesus)
From: Sorcha
Date: 30 Nov 07 - 09:52 PM

Uh...that pic of Bob? Seems to me it looks a lot like Michael J....

I think my mind has finally snapped.

Subject: RE: BS: There aren't any Gods (not even Jesus)
From: Amos
Date: 30 Nov 07 - 09:54 PM

I meant, of course, the unforgettable Winona Ryder; she has been apprised of Little Hawk's vulnerability and is interested in providing a foil...



A

Subject: RE: BS: There aren't any Gods (not even Jesus)
From: Little Hawk
Date: 30 Nov 07 - 10:02 PM

Yeah, yeah... ;-)

Winona can do whatever she wants to. I don't mind.

As for Shane, I don't think he's given much thought to God, one way or the other. He's had his mind on other things entirely.

Subject: RE: BS: There aren't any Gods (not even Jesus)
From: Bill D
Date: 30 Nov 07 - 10:25 PM

"There is no God...blank film at 11:00!"

Gee, Ed.... now that you have made it so clear and positive---or is that negative? ...I guess everyone will just nod wisely and quit going to church. And I won't have to have these learned debates any more. *sigh*...you've ruined my fun!


(you know what the answer is? God didn't really create the universe...it was some other Supreme Being using his name!)

Subject: RE: BS: There aren't any Gods (not even Jesus)
From: Peace
Date: 30 Nov 07 - 10:31 PM

"I meant, of course, the unforgettable Winona Ryder; she has been apprised of Little Hawk's vulnerability and is interested in providing a foil..."

If she provided LH with Saran Wrap instead . . . .

Subject: RE: BS: There aren't any Gods (not even Jesus)
From: Don Firth
Date: 30 Nov 07 - 10:43 PM

Ye gods (if you'll pardon the expression)!! Look at all the people who bit!!

Now, just where the hell is Billy Goat Gruff when you need him!??

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: There aren't any Gods (not even Jesus)
From: number 6
Date: 30 Nov 07 - 10:44 PM

Who's Winona Ryder ?

biLL

Subject: RE: BS: There aren't any Gods (not even Jesus)
From: number 6
Date: 30 Nov 07 - 10:45 PM

Oh you mean Winona Laura Horowitz.

biLL

Subject: RE: BS: There aren't any Gods (not even Jesus)
From: Peace
Date: 30 Nov 07 - 10:51 PM

. . . or out of saran wrap . . . .

Subject: RE: BS: There aren't any Gods (not even Jesus)
From: wysiwyg
Date: 30 Nov 07 - 10:57 PM

I have a duty to tell the truth

Sometimes it's hard to tell the diff between a duty and a doodie. This sounds to me like a diaperful of the latter.

(Or perhaps alcohol is involved here?)

In any case, most of the grownups around here tend not to yell FIRE in pubs. Oh, one CAN do that-- just as one can start a thread proclaiming either "There aren't any Gods (not even Jesus)" or (as I am sometimes tempted), "Atheists are Ignorant and Often Rude."

But if IRL we tend not to do these things, sometimes emulating one's IRL restraint is a good thing, even at Mudcat (the apparent portal into the absurd).

~Susan


~Susan

Subject: RE: BS: There aren't any Gods (not even Jesus)
From: Don Firth
Date: 30 Nov 07 - 11:01 PM

GUEST,Ed better watch his step, there!

He's obviously unaware that God has been stirring to activity lately. After all, He registered His disapproval of the filming of The Passion of the Christ by zapping the guy playing Jesus (James Caviezel) with a bolt of lightning. That's a fact! Not only that, He let the assistant director have it twice! Now, why He didn't go after Mel Gibson is a mystery to me, but then, who am I to argue with God!??

GUEST,Ed is risking a lightning bolt up the arse!

Don Firth

P. S. I notice he hasn't been back. Just walking in, let one, and left. That oughta tell you something. . . .

Subject: RE: BS: There aren't any Gods (not even Jesus)
From: Rapparee
Date: 30 Nov 07 - 11:02 PM

I have a foil I can supply to either LH or Winona. Or an epee. Or even a saber.