Subject: Mary, Marry, Merry From: Azizi Date: 12 Dec 07 - 08:15 PM Just for fun, what songs or rhymes can you think of that include the word "Mary", or "Marry", or "Merry" in their title or lyrics? I'll start the ball rolling in my next post to this thread. Thanks in advance for posting to this thread! |
Subject: RE: Mary, Marry, Merry From: Azizi Date: 12 Dec 07 - 08:23 PM MARY HAD A BABY Mary had a baby, oh, Lord, Mary had a baby, oh my Lord, Mary had a baby, oh Lord, People keep a-comin' an' the train done gone. What did she name him? oh, Lord, What did she name him? oh my Lord, What did she name him? oh Lord, People keep a-comin' an' the train done gone. She named him Jesus, oh, Lord, She named him Jesus, oh my Lord, She named him Jesus, oh Lord, People keep a-comin' an' the train done gone. Now where was he born? oh, Lord, Where was he born? oh my Lord, Where was he born? oh Lord, People keep a-comin' an' the train done gone. Born in a stable, oh, Lord, Born in a stable, oh my Lord, Born in a stable, oh Lord, People keep a-comin' an' the train done gone. And where did she lay him? oh, Lord, Where did she lay him? oh my Lord, Where did she lay him? oh Lord, People keep a-comin' an' the train done gone. She laid him in a manger, oh, Lord, Laid him in a manger, oh my Lord, Laid him in a manger, oh Lord, People keep a-comin' an' the train done gone. Mary had a baby, oh, Lord, Mary had a baby, oh my Lord, Mary had a baby, oh Lord, People keep a-comin' an' the train done gone. @Xmas spiritual filename[ MARYBABY TUNE FILE: MARYBABY @displaysong.cfm?SongID=3886 ** Here's a YouTube video of this song: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsGvuRIxR4E Medley Mary had a baby & Amen "Christmas in United Kingdom Godspell" -snip- Btw, in that version, the choir sings "Mary had a baby, yes Lord" instead of "Mary had a baby, oh Lord". |
Subject: RE: Mary, Marry, Merry From: bobad Date: 12 Dec 07 - 08:26 PM "Mary, You Are my Friend" Bruce Murdoch Step down the air raid siren says, Don't walk in the rain. It's true they fought their battles, Where the graveyards remain, And now machine guns testify That Hitler's back again, Washington you know his footsteps, What he's done is change his name, And perhaps go more insane. Mother Mary have forgiveness, The Church has got you taking sides. Your Son was killed for silver, It's the same when soldiers die, But I refuse to sell myself Into illicit enterprise, Genocidal Quisling governments Sanction war with killer's pride' But war's just murder undisguised. Traitors govern us, they're inventing Lies to hide their vicious smiles, From Holy Mary representing Every virgin with a child. |
Subject: RE: Mary, Marry, Merry From: Bonnie Shaljean Date: 12 Dec 07 - 08:35 PM I hope I'm not lowering the tone of the thread too much, but the first thing I thought of was this: Mary Mack's father's makin' Mary Mack marry me My father's makin' me marry Mary Mack And I'm goin' to marry Mary to get married And take care of me We'll all be making merry when I marry Mary Mack |
Subject: RE: Mary, Marry, Merry From: Azizi Date: 12 Dec 07 - 08:35 PM Here's a link to the Mudcat thread on the Trinidad Christmas song "The Virgin Mary Had a Baby Boy": thread.cfm?threadid=6712#39453 Lyr Req: The Virgin Mary Had a Baby Boy ** Here's the lyrics to that song as posted by Joe Offer from "the Shorter New Oxford Book of Carols Source: The Edric Connor Collection of West Indian Spirituals (1945) The Virgin Mary Had A Baby Boy Trinidadian Traditional The virgin Mary had a baby boy, The virgin Mary had a baby boy, The virgin Mary had a baby boy, And they say that his name was Jesus He come from the glory, He come from the glorious kingdom, He come from the glory, He come from the glorious kingdom, Oh yes, believer! Oh yes, believer! He come from the glory, He come from the glorious kingdom The angels sang when the baby born The angels sang when the baby born The angels sang when the baby born And proclaim him the Savior Jesus Chorus The wise men went where the baby born, The wise men went where the baby born, The wise men went where the baby born, And they say that his name was Jesus Chorus (the soloist could improvise further verses, e.g., "The shepherds came when the baby born," "They left their gifts where the baby born," etc.) ** Here's a link to a TouTube video of that song: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_FVfFoCyv8 |
Subject: RE: Mary, Marry, Merry From: Azizi Date: 12 Dec 07 - 08:43 PM Oh! A Bruce Murdoch song!! bobad, thanks for posting that song. And now machine guns testify That Hitler's back again, Washington you know his footsteps, What he's done is change his name, And perhaps go more insane. -snip- That's so powerful. I wish I could put a link to a video or audio clip of Bruce singing it... Sigh. Btw, is it "And perhaps got more insane" or is "and perhaps go more insane" the correct words? |
Subject: RE: Mary, Marry, Merry From: Azizi Date: 12 Dec 07 - 08:55 PM Bonnie Shaljean, posting the words to "Mary Mack's father's makin' Mary Mack marry me" is definitely not "lowering the tone of the thread". That's one of the songs I was hoping someone would post. I've wondered whether that song is related in any way to this children's rhyme: Miss Mary Mack Miss Mary Mack Mack Mack All dressed in black black black With silver buttons buttons buttons Up and down her back back back. She asked her mother mother mother For fifty cents cents cents To see the elephant elephant elephant Jump the fence fence fence He jumped so high high high He touched the sky sky sky And he never came back back back Till the fourth of July ly ly - multiple sources, including my childhood memories of Atlantic City, New Jersey, 1950s ** For other versions of this handclap rhyme, visit my website www.cocojams.com |
Subject: RE: Mary, Marry, Merry From: Padre Date: 13 Dec 07 - 12:03 AM Bringing Mary Home I was driving down a lonesome road on a dark and stormy night When a little girl by the roadside showed up in my headlights I stopped, and she got in back, and in a shaky tone, She said 'My name is Mary, please won't you take me home.' She must have looked so frightened all alone there in the night There was something strange about her, her face was deathly white She sat so pale and quiet in the back seat all alone I never will forget that night,I took Mary home I pulled into the driveway where she told me to go Got out to help her from the car, and opened up the door I just could not believe mey eyes, the back seat was bare I looked all around the car, but Mary wasn't there A light shone from the porch, someone opened up the door I asked about the little girl that I was looking for The lady gently smiled and brushed a tear away She said, 'It sure was nice of you to go out of your way.' 'But thirteen years ago today, in a wreck just down the road, Our darling Mary lost her life, and we miss her so Thank you for your trouble, and the kindness you have shown You're the thirteenth one who's been here, bringing Mary home.' Padre |
Subject: RE: Mary, Marry, Merry From: folk_radio_uk Date: 13 Dec 07 - 05:03 AM Bonnie posted the one I immediately thought of: Mary Mack. Been listening to Margaret Bennett sing it on her album "Road to Aberfeldy". hmmmm |
Subject: RE: Mary, Marry, Merry From: Azizi Date: 13 Dec 07 - 07:54 AM Here's a song that includes the word "marry": Wedding Bell Blues {Laura Nyro} Bill, I love you so, I always will. I look at you and you see the passion eyes of May. Oh, but am I ever gonna see my wedding day? (Wedding day) Oh, I was on your side, Bill, when you were losing. I'd never scheme or lie, Bill, there's been no fooling. But kisses and love won't carry me till you marry me, Bill. I love you so, I always will, and in your voice I hear a choir of carousels. Oh, but am I ever gonna hear my wedding bells? (Wedding bells) I was the one came running when you were lonely. I haven't lived one day not loving you only. But kisses and love won't carry me till you marry me, Bill, I love you so, I always will. And though devotion rules my heart, I take no bows, Oh but, Bill, you're never gonna take my wedding vows. (Wedding vows) Come on, Bill (come on, Bill) so come on, Bill (come on, Bill). Come on and marry me, Bill, I love you so, I always will. Come on, I got the wedding blues, yeah, the wedding bell blues. Come on and marry me, Bill, I love you so, I always will. I wanna marry you, Bill… ** Here's a link to a YouTube video of the 1969 5th Dimension recording of that song: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkMhWQgkZ8c |
Subject: RE: Mary, Marry, Merry From: Azizi Date: 13 Dec 07 - 08:21 AM Here's a children's rhyme that inclues the word "marry". We're Riding Here To Get Married Directions: The girls are in one group and the boys are in another. In the 1st part of this song, the girls sing & skip 4 steps for each phrase toward the boys and the boys sing while walking 4 steps for each phrase toward the girls. In the 2nd part, after the girls shout "Are you coming?" and the boys shout "No!, the girls try to catch the boy whose name was selected and the boys run away, protecting that boy from being caught by the girls. [First Part] Girls: We're riding here to get married Married, Married Riding here to get married. Ah Rhythm A Diddee A Diddee High Oh Boys: Who you gonna marry? Marry, Marry Who you gonna marry? Ah Rhythm A Diddee A Diddee High Oh Girls: We're gonna marry Johnny * Johnny, Johnny We're gonna marry Johnny Johnny, Johnny Ah Rhythm A Diddee A Diddee High Oh Boys: How ya gonna get him? Get Him, Get Him How ya gonna get him Ah Rhythm A Diddee A Diddee High Oh Girls: We'll break the doors and windows Windows, Windows We'll break the doors and windows Ah Rhythm A Diddee A Diddee High Oh Boys: You'll get all dirty and greasy Greasy, Greasy You'll get all dirty and greasy Ah Rhythm A Diddee A Diddee High Oh Girls: We're not as greasy and you are You are, You are We're not as greasy as you are You'll get all dirty and greasy Ah Rhythm A Diddee A Diddee High Oh Second Part: Girls: Are you coming? {Spoken loudly} Boys: NO!(Yelled) {Theoretically, the girls are suppossed to be chasing the selected boy. However, they chase all of the boys, focusing on a boy who they like}. * Use the name of the boy selected to "marry". -Source, Barbara Ray {African American female; memories of her childhood in the 1950s Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania; collected by Azizi Powell in 1997 ** In my opinion, this is a variant of "Walking On The Green Grass" and "Dukes A Riding". In 2005, I posted this example in this Mudcat thread: thread.cfm?threadid=80573#1466198 "RE: Lyr Add: Walking on the Green Grass" |
Subject: RE: Mary, Marry, Merry From: GUEST,Mrr Date: 13 Dec 07 - 08:25 AM Do you pronounce these the same? I do, all three - but in Mary Mack as by the Clancy Bros, all three are different. |
Subject: RE: Mary, Marry, Merry From: SINSULL Date: 13 Dec 07 - 08:31 AM i LOVE YOU mARY lOU cROSS MY HEART i REALLY DO eVERY BELL IN THE STEEPLE IS READY TO RING aND ALL THE PEOPLE ARE BUYING PRETTY PRESENTS JUST FOR YOU mARY lOU cROSS MY HEART IT'S REALLY TRUE aND FOR MILES AROUND THEY'RE WAITING jUST TO START THE CELEBRATIN' wHEN YOU SAY "i DO" mARY lOU. dAMN cAPSLOCK! |
Subject: RE: Mary, Marry, Merry From: Rasener Date: 13 Dec 07 - 09:10 AM Mary's Boy Child Proud Mary Send a message to Mary |
Subject: RE: Mary, Marry, Merry From: Little Robyn Date: 13 Dec 07 - 01:47 PM For tonight we'll merry merry be, For tonight we'll merry merry be, For tonight we'll merry merry be, Tomorrow we'll be sober. Robyn |
Subject: RE: Mary, Marry, Merry From: Azizi Date: 13 Dec 07 - 02:47 PM Do you pronounce these the same? I pronounce "Mary" and "merry" the same. But my pronunciation of the the word "marry" rhymes with the name "Larry" and the word "carry". I don't know how to write the pronunciation codes for these words. |
Subject: RE: Mary, Marry, Merry From: GUEST,DonD Date: 13 Dec 07 - 03:15 PM The thread title immediately reminded me of a long ago radio program that featured Professor Somebody who was a pronunciation and dialect expert. He'd have members of his studio audience come up and speak set sentences and then tell them, with amazing accuracy, where they came from or had been raised. My favorite test line was, "Merry Mary married hairy Harry." When it came out "Mary Mary mary-ed hairy Hairy.", he'd immediately zero in on the greater Detroit area, and go on from there. I loved that show as a kid, but apparently not to many other listeners did, not the adults who were supposed to be buyingthe products anyway, because it didn't last too long, except in my memory. Mary Mack's father has particular significance for me because a couple of years ago my daughterremarried, to a man named Kevin MacLaughlin, known to his students as Mr. Mack. At the wedding reception, I snag them an updated version allowing or the fact that Kevin is fatherless and the plan was for mutual support: Kevin Mack's mother making Kevin Mack marry me, My mother's making me marry Kevin Mack. I'll take care of my Kevin, and my Kevin will take care of me, and we'll all make merry when I marry Kevin Mack! It was a great success. |
Subject: RE: Mary, Marry, Merry From: Azizi Date: 14 Dec 07 - 07:58 AM <>Oh Mary Don't You Weep excerpt: Oh Mary don't you weep don't you mourn Oh Mary don't you weep don't you mourn Pharoah's army got drowned Oh Mary don't you weep. -snip- Here's two links to YouTube videos of this song: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_7yBFovdtE Take 6 Live - Mary (1990) ** http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15Ip1y2c6i8 Oh Mary Don´t You Weep -Bruce Springsteen |
Subject: RE: Mary, Marry, Merry From: Azizi Date: 14 Dec 07 - 08:08 AM Hmmm. My change "the font to bold command thingy" didn't work in that last post. I musta done something wrong. Sorry bout that. ** I woke up this morning with this song in my head: Come and let's be merry now while there's life before us. Come and let's be merry now While there's life before us. After cheerful youth has passed [???] ???? -snip- I can't remember any other words to that song. I believe I learned it in junior high school choir. I think there's a second verse but that starts with "Long live the ___ ??? Does anybody know this song? Where's it from? I'd appreciate it if someone would post its lyrics and information about where it came from-[Shakespeare?] Thanks. |
Subject: RE: Mary, Marry, Merry From: Azizi Date: 14 Dec 07 - 08:27 AM The excerpt for "Mary Don't You Weep" should read Oh Mary don't you weep, don't you moan". Sorry about that also. |
Subject: RE: Mary, Marry, Merry From: Azizi Date: 14 Dec 07 - 11:28 AM Here's a long version of the children's rhyme "Mary Mack": Oh Mary Mack Oh Mary Mack, Mack, Mack All dressed in black, blac, black with silver buttons, buttons, buttons Up and down her back, back, back. And I love coffee, coffee, coffee, And I love tea, tea, tea, And the boys like me, me, me. I went to the river, river, river, And I couldn't get across, 'cross, 'cross, And I paid five dollars, dollars, dollars, For the old grey horse, horse, horse. And the horse wouldn't pull, pull, pull, I swapped him for a bull, bull, bull, And the bull wouldn't holler, holler, holler, I swapped him for a dollar, dollar, dollar. And the dollar wouldn't spend, spend, spend, I put it in the grass grass, grass, And the grass wouldn't grow, grow, grow I got my hoe, hoe, hoe. And the hoe wouldn't chop, chop, chop, I took it to the shop, shop, shop And the shop made money, money, money, Like the bees make honey, honey, honey. See that yonder, yonder, yonder, In the jay-bird town, town, town, Where the women got to work, work, work, Till the sun goes down, down, down. Well, I eat my meat, meat, meat, And I gnaw my bone, bone, bone, Well goodbye honey, honey, honey, I'm going on home. -from Harold Courlander's 1968 book Negro Folk Music,USA {New York, Columbia University Press; pp. 158-159) This example was included in the chapter entitled "Ring games and playparty songs". Courlander writes that "The line game song "Mary Mack" is perhaps less noteworthy for the action which accompanies it than for the singing and the lyrics". -snip- This example is composed of a number of floating verses from various folk songs and children's rhymes. The traditional version of the 2nd verse is usually given as: And I love coffee, coffee, coffee, And I love tea, tea, tea, I like the boys, boys, boys, And the boys like me, me, me. -snip- "I love coffee, I love tea" is still recited as a handclap rhyme. However, its words are usually very different than those given above. After watching Bess Hawes Lomax's 1967 video of African American school girls from Los Angeles reciting playground rhymes Pizza, Pizza Daddy-O,I can see how this rhyme could have been performed "as a line game". I don't remember the girls in that video reciting "Mary Mack". However, they recited other rhymes while standing in two parallel horizontal lines facing each other. Sometimes they clapped hands with the person in front of them. At other times, one line moved up to the other and then moved back, or the lines changed places. Sometimes, the girls shook their hips and rocked to the ground to the beat of the chant. And at other times, one or two of the girls took turns sashaying or dancing down the middle of the two lines while others recited the chant. The 1970s Black American television dance show Soul Train was known for its dancers forming two horizontal lines-one made up of females, and the other made up of males. The man and woman at the top of the line would show off their skills by dancing down the ailse. Although I don't recall reciting rhymes in my childhood the way those Los Angeles girls did in that video, and although I've never seen any children in person recite rhymes that way, I can imagine children reciting Mary Mack as a line game because of that Pizza Pizza Daddy-O video {which takes it's name from a children's rhyme} and because of the Soul Train television show. |
Subject: RE: Mary, Marry, Merry From: SINSULL Date: 14 Dec 07 - 05:18 PM Mary Hamilton Mary, It's a Grand Old Name |
Subject: RE: Mary, Marry, Merry From: SINSULL Date: 14 Dec 07 - 05:23 PM Castle of Dromore The Mary Ellen Carter |
Subject: RE: Mary, Marry, Merry From: Joe_F Date: 14 Dec 07 - 08:28 PM We Wish You a Merry Christmas Mary Hamilton I Never Will Marry The Merry Widow O, Mary, Don't You Weep Single Girl, Married Girl |
Subject: RE: Mary, Marry, Merry From: Snuffy Date: 15 Dec 07 - 11:37 AM Not very merry<\b>, but it's got the other two: So Mary marry<\b> me, let's not wait For the distant drums might change our wedding date And love me now, for now is all the time there may be If you love me Mary, Mary marry<\b> me |
Subject: RE: Mary, Marry, Merry From: Snuffy Date: 15 Dec 07 - 11:39 AM Damn, I was slashing the wrong way So Mary marry me, let's not wait For the distant drums might change our wedding date And love me now, for now is all the time there may be If you love me Mary, Mary marry me |
Subject: RE: Mary, Marry, Merry From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 15 Dec 07 - 03:37 PM Take a message to Mary,written by Felice & Boudleaux Bryant), recorded by the Everly Brothers and subsequently by Bob Dylan. The Everly Bros did it better. |
Subject: RE: Mary, Marry, Merry From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 15 Dec 07 - 04:41 PM Well, let's get it over with: God rest ye merry, gentlemen, .... Now go back to the less known, more interesting songs- like Mary, Mary, quite contrary... NOW WE MERY, BOTH MORE AND LASSE Make we mery, both more and lasse, For now ys the tyme of Crystymas. Thread 65203 has that fine 16th c. carol. Now We Mery |
Subject: RE: Mary, Marry, Merry From: Little Robyn Date: 15 Dec 07 - 05:38 PM The Padstow May song has 'In the merry morning of May' in the chorus. Robyn |
Subject: RE: Mary, Marry, Merry From: Little Robyn Date: 15 Dec 07 - 05:42 PM Then there's the Rocky road to Dublin: 'In the merry month of May from my home I started..........' in the DT. Actually, I thought it was the merry month of June but that's someone elses version. Robyn |
Subject: RE: Mary, Marry, Merry From: catspaw49 Date: 15 Dec 07 - 07:01 PM "Oh Merry Mary Marry Me" by The Harmonims Spaw |
Subject: RE: Mary, Marry, Merry From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 15 Dec 07 - 07:27 PM The Mary Ellen Carter? Doesn't seem to be in the DT- the song "To Mary," collected and revised by Burns. The tune is given as "Ewe-buchts, Marion." 1st verse: Will ye go to the Indies, my Mary And leave auld Scotia's shore? Will ye go to the Indies, my Mary, Across the Atlantic's roar? Written by Burns to Mary Campbell, when he was thinking of going to the West Indies. |
Subject: RE: Mary, Marry, Merry From: GUEST,Mäkkes Date: 17 Dec 07 - 10:11 AM Marry had a baby |
Subject: RE: Mary, Marry, Merry From: masato sakurai Date: 17 Dec 07 - 08:42 PM From HERE: merry, marry, Mary In Midland and some other regional dialects these three words are homophones pronounced MER-ee. In some other dialect areas (Eastern New England, Metropolitan New York, and some areas farther down the eastern seaboard), some people pronounce marry MA-ree and distinguish it from their pronunciation of merry (MER-ee). And some speakers in the Lower Hudson Valley, in Eastern New England, and especially in Southern dialect areas further distinguish Mary (pronounced MAI-ree) from the distinctive pronunciations of either or both merry and marry. In these dialects, the same sorts of divided pronunciations usually can be heard in Kerry/carry and Perry/parry. Some Americans have difficulty hearing the pronunciations they themselves do not use, but it doesn't matter: you may use one pronunciation for all or distinguish Mary or marry from the other two, whichever seems natural to you. All are Standard regional variations. |
Subject: RE: Mary, Marry, Merry From: DonD Date: 17 Dec 07 - 08:51 PM Azizi --- Your high school memories of "Let us make merry---" are an English translation of the German students' song from centuries back (the Middle Ages?) called in Latin (the students' language of the day) by its first line: 'Gaudeamus igitur' which continues 'juvenes dum sumus, post iucundam iuventutis, post molestam senectutis, nos habebit humus.' That roughly translates to: "let us rejoice (make merry), therefore, while we are still young; after the joys of youth, after the ills of old age, the earth will hold us (i.e. we'll be a long time dead)." |
Subject: RE: Mary, Marry, Merry From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 17 Dec 07 - 09:37 PM There is a thread on "Gaudeamus igitur" at Mudcat, 82566. Gaudeamus igitur The first line translates Let us rejoice, while we are young, etc. In high school, we were given definite instructions to not make Mary. Never heard of an English translation of G. i. sung in my high school. Sung in Latin at graduation. |
Subject: RE: Mary, Marry, Merry From: Azizi Date: 17 Dec 07 - 09:55 PM Thanks, masato sakurai. With regard to the different ways "Mary" is pronounced, I found a version of Mary Mack from Ella Jenkins: Vocalist Ella Jenkins has recorded this version of "Mary Mack": May-Ree Mack, dressed in black Buttons all up and down her back Hi-yo, hi-yo, hi-yo-o, hi-yo Give me a nickel, give me a dime See my honey baby all the time Hi-yo, hi-yo, hi-yo-o, hi-yo Went to the river, couldn't get across Got in trouble with my boss Hi-yo, hi-yo, hi-yo-o, hi-yo Words and Music: Ella Jenkins © 1968 Ella Jenkins (ASCAP) Here's a song track of that song: http://saintsandspinners.blogspot.com/2007/10/song-of-week-may-ree-mack.html ** If I recall correctly, Ella Jenkins said that this was the way they sung "Mary Mack" in Ohio [but which part of Ohio?} So in Ohio, is Mary pronounced May-ree? ** Also, thanks, DonD for that information. So are you saying that the song I remember was a revision of an older song and not that song itself? I've been wracking my brain for the words of this song and here's what I remember: Come and let's be merry now while there's life before us. Come and let's be merry now While there's life before us. After cheerful youth has passed [???] After ageless [?] age at last While our life passes ov'r us While our life passes ov'r us [????] -snip= And there was a second verse that started with "Long life our..." and the next line was "and our teachers...." ?? So, if I understood you, this is an old German song [named what?]and the words were probably changed. I'd love to find out if the song is on YouTube to see if the tune is the same as I recall it. |
Subject: RE: Mary, Marry, Merry From: number 6 Date: 17 Dec 07 - 11:39 PM Sir John in Love again .... by The Amazing Blondel Love is like a never ending flame it brightens everywhere, Lights a way to truth and not to blame you should endeavour there. (Chorus:) Sir John is in love again. Merry wife may seem forbidden fruit and set a spark in you. So beware should intrigue line the route and break a heart in two. Herne the hunter Sir Actaeon Falstaff the stag at bay indeed. Poor plain knight he needs love, he wants love, give him love. Quarrel's flight should reaquaint him with chivalry and honour enough. Bully rook you're taken for a knave through your inconstancy. Now sirrah must learn how to behave and gain love honestly. (Chorus) Herne the hunter Sir Actaeon Falstaff the stag at bay indeed. Poor plain knight he needs love, he wants love, give him love. Quarrel's flight should reaquaint him with chivalry and honour enough. biLL |
Subject: RE: Mary, Marry, Merry From: Genie Date: 17 Dec 07 - 11:54 PM Gee, there must be a gazillion songs with "Mary," "Merry," and/or "Marry" in the title! A few others Hello, Mary Lou (Goodbye Heart) Have Yourself a Merry Little Christmas The Girl That I Marry When I Marry Mr. Snow (From "Carousel?") Proud Mary Mary Had A Little Lamb Lady Mary Mary, Did You Know? Mary's Song (Breath Of Heaven) Mary Mild Mary Ann (Or Marianne) Didn't Abba have a song called "Marry Me, Marry Me" or something like that? But "Mary Mack" is the epitome, because it uses all 3 of these words repeatedly throughout the song, just to see if you're sober enough to sing it! G |
Subject: RE: Mary, Marry, Merry From: Snuffy Date: 18 Dec 07 - 09:26 AM Azizi, Gaudeamus Igitur is the name of the song the German students used to sing - in Latin, not in German. The words you give are a pretty good translation (but the 2nd verse praises young women, not teachers!), and would seem to fit the traditional tune. |
Subject: RE: Mary, Marry, Merry From: Azizi Date: 18 Dec 07 - 09:44 AM Thanks, Snuffy!!! I appreciate that info. My poor mind can now focus on a million other things. :o) |
Subject: Lyr Add: THE CHERRY TREE CAROL From: Uncle_DaveO Date: 18 Dec 07 - 10:32 AM Azizi, since you say "in their title or lyrics", we have The Cherry Tree Carol, Child #54. There are two versions in the DT, neither being totally the set which I know, which is as follows: THE CHERRY TREE CAROL When Joseph was an old man, an old man was he, He married Virgin Mary, the queen of Galilee, He married Virgin Mary, the queen of Galilee. As Joseph and Mary walked through an orchard green, Here were apples, here were cherries in plenty to be seen Here were apples, here were cherries in plenty to be seen And Mary spoke to Joseph, so meek and so mild, "Joseph, gather me some cherries, for I am with child, Joseph, gather me some cherries, for I am with child." And Joseph flew in anger, in anger flew he, "Let the father of the baby gather cherries for thee, Let the father of the baby gather cherries for thee." Then up spoke baby Jesus from in Mary's womb, "Bend down the tallest tree, that my mother might have some, Bend down the tallest tree, that my mother might have some." The cherry tree bent low down, bent low down to the ground And Mary gathered cherries, while Joseph stood around And Mary gathered cherries, while Joseph stood around Now Joseph took Mary upon his left knee "Oh, what have I done, Lord? Have mercy on me! Oh, what have I done, Lord? Have mercy on me!" And Joseph took baby Jesus all on his right knee "Oh, tell me, pretty baby, when thy birthday shall be Oh, tell me, pretty baby, when thy birthday shall be." "The sixth day of January*, my birthday shall be, When the stars in the elements shall tremble with glee! When the stars in the elements shall tremble with glee!" * The Sixth Day of January, or "Old Christmas", before the change to the calendar we use today. I have this version from the singing of Andrew Rowan Summers, with dulcimer, on Folkways FP41, 1954. Dave Oesterreich |
Subject: RE: Mary, Marry, Merry From: masato sakurai Date: 18 Dec 07 - 11:45 AM Found a song containing "Mary," "marry," and "merry" in it. The Gosport tragedy. Sold Wholesale and Retail by Leonard Deming, Boston. [n. d.] |
Subject: RE: Mary, Marry, Merry From: Azizi Date: 18 Dec 07 - 11:54 AM Good find, masato! |
Subject: RE: Mary, Marry, Merry From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 18 Dec 07 - 02:04 PM Bruce O noted the name of the tune to "The Gosport Tragedy" in thread 16745: Polly With the name "The Ship's Carpenter," several versions have been collected in Newfoundland. The broadside version noted by Masato is more complete than most 'folk' versions. Lyr. Add: MARY HAD A WILLIAM GOAT (Newfoundland, Joshua Osborne) Mary had a William goat, William goat, William goat, Mary had a William goat, his stomach was lined with zinc. One day he ate an oyster can, oyster can, oyster can, One day he ate an oyster can and a kitchen sink. The can was filled with dynamite, dynamite, dynamite, The can was filled with dynamite which Billy thought was cheese. He rubbed against poor Mary's side, Mary's side, Mary's side, He rubbed against poor Mary's side the awful pain to ease. A sudden flash of goat and girl, goat and girl, goat and girl, A sudden flash of goat and girl and little else to tell. Mary's soul to heaven went, heaven went, heaven went, Mary's soul to heaven went and Billy's went to Hoop dee doodle doodle doo, doodle doo, doodle doo, Hoop deee doodle doodle doo, hoop dee doodle doo. Kenneth Peacock, "Songs of the Newfoundland Outports," vol. 1, p. 19 with score. Variants of this all over North America. |
Subject: RE: Mary, Marry, Merry From: Genie Date: 18 Dec 07 - 04:15 PM Then there's "C'e 'Na Luna Mezz' O Mare, " aka "Lazy Mary." |
Subject: RE: Mary, Marry, Merry From: Genie Date: 18 Dec 07 - 05:19 PM Simple DT search for "Mary" reveals (among others) these songs with "Mary" in the title: The Digitrad Results 0.9653 - QUEEN MARY'S MEN 0.9525 - MARY McGILL 0.9525 - QUEEN MARY 0.9525 - MARY NAIL 0.9352 - LORD ABORE AND MARY FLYNN 0.9281 - BURNS AND HIS HIGHLAND MARY 0.9201 - FOUR MARYS 0.9018 - BRINGING MARY HOME 0.9018 - THE WRECK OF THE MARY, DEAR 0.8909 - WILLIE AND MARY 0.8909 - THE MARY L. MACKAY 0.8788 - MIDNIGHT MARY 0.8788 - MARY'S BOY CHILD 0.8788 - THENIEL MENZIES BONIE MARY 0.8788 - THE SOO STE. MARY'S JAIL 0.8788 - MARY'S DREAM 0.8788 - MARY HAD A LITTLE CLONE 0.8788 - MARY HAD A BABY 0.8788 - MARY GO 'ROUND 0.8788 - MARY FROM DUNGLOE 0.8656 - STEP IT OUT, MARY 0.8655 - MARY HAMILTON (7) 0.8655 - CAPTIVE SONG OF MARY QUEEN OF SCOTS 0.8655 - THE LADY MARY SAILS 0.8655 - THE BELLS OF ST MARY'S 0.8655 - MARY MORISON 0.8655 - MARY MILD 0.8655 - MARY ANN MCCARTHY 0.8655 - MARY ANN 0.8655 - MARY AND THE SOLDIER 0.8655 - BONNIE WEE MARY 0.8511 - OH, MARY DON'T YOU WEEP 0.8511 - MARY ON THE WILD MOOR 0.8511 - MARY FAGAN 0.8511 - MARY DEAR 0.8511 - HIGHLAND MARY 0.8347 - DEVILISH MARY 0.8347 - QUEEN MARY'S ESCAPE FROM LOCHLEVEN 0.8347 - WINDS BLEW ACROSS THE WILD MOOR (MARY DIED AT HER FATHER'S DOOR) 0.8347 - MARY DANCED WITH SOLDIERS 0.8164 - BLEST MARY WANDERS THROUGH THE THORN 0.8164 - THE SEVEN JOYS OF MARY (2) 0.8164 - MARY RILEY 0.8164 - MARY MARTINDALE 0.8164 - LADY MARY ANN 0.8164 - IS THERE ANYBODY HERE LIKE MARY A-WEEPIN' 0.8164 - CAN YOU TYPE, MARY ALICE 0.8164 - BLACK-EYED MARY 0.8164 - BESSY BELL AND MARY GRAY CAPE ST.MARY'S 0.7961 - RED HAIRED MARY 0.7961 - MARY SOMERS MARY ANN MARIA DURCH EIN DORNWALD GING MARRIED AND SINGLE LIFE FAIR MARY OF WALLINGTON Also, does "Mairie's Wedding" count? |
Subject: RE: Mary, Marry, Merry From: Azizi Date: 18 Dec 07 - 05:28 PM Simple DT search for "Mary" reveals (among others) these songs with "Mary" in the title -snip- Yeah, but that's no fun! I was wondering what songs or titles a person could remember without looking. {I mean no aspersion on the compilers of the Digital Tradition to whom many thanks are given} |
Subject: RE: Mary, Marry, Merry From: Genie Date: 18 Dec 07 - 08:58 PM Yeah, it's more fun to think 'em up yourself. However, the DT gave me a lot of titles I'd never heard before! (Some of the ones I listed either I or someone else had already posted.) There were very few in the DT that I was familiar with that I had not already thought of on my own. BTW, does "merrie" count as an alternative spelling of "merry?" |
Subject: RE: Mary, Marry, Merry From: Genie Date: 18 Dec 07 - 09:09 PM More: Soldier, Soldier, Will You Marry Me Sadie, Sadie, Married Lady Merry Christmas, Darling, Merry Christmas With Love Merry Minuet |
Subject: RE: Mary, Marry, Merry From: Azizi Date: 18 Dec 07 - 09:28 PM Hey, Genie! You're right. It's fun to visit the DT and see how many songs you don't know. As to whether different spellings of Mary, marry, or merry count, sure, why not! ** Thanks to all who have posted to this thread thus far. Keep'em comin! |
Subject: RE: Mary, Marry, Merry From: Azizi Date: 18 Dec 07 - 09:30 PM I mean "you" in the global sense {all of us}. |
Subject: RE: Mary, Marry, Merry From: Susan of DT Date: 18 Dec 07 - 10:26 PM Running some totals from the newest version of the DT (slightly newer than the posted one), we have: Mary 384 merry 425 marry 430 Mary + merry 23 Mary + marry 25 merry + marry 29 |
Subject: RE: Mary, Marry, Merry From: GUEST Date: 19 Dec 07 - 08:58 AM "The thread title immediately reminded me of a long ago radio program that featured Professor Somebody who was a pronunciation and dialect expert. He'd have members of his studio audience come up and speak set sentences and then tell them, with amazing accuracy, where they came from or had been raised.My favorite test line was, "Merry Mary married hairy Harry."When it came out "Mary Mary mary-ed hairy Hairy.", he'd immediately zero in on the greater Detroit area, and go on from there." There is a story of a young student from Leeds (who went on to become a high court judge). He went to Oxford University and at some social gathering met a southern student with a 'plum' voice. After a while the Leeds student spoke a few words; the southern student turned to him and said, 'Ah, and how are things in Leeds?' TLS was very impressed that TSS could tell so accurately where he came from on so little evidence and assumed he was a dialect expert. At the end he hung around and buttonholed him. TLS: How did you know I was from Leeds? TSS: You have an unmistakably northern accent. TLS: But how were you so sure it was Leeds rather than for example Bradford? TSS: (After a long pause)Ah yes. Bradford.Of course. Sorry! I just assumed everyone with a northern accent was from Leeds. Noone seems to have mentioned The Four Maries aka Mary Hamilton. |
Subject: RE: Mary, Marry, Merry From: GUEST,Suffolk Miracle Date: 19 Dec 07 - 08:59 AM Sorry for accidental anonymity. Last one was from me. |
Subject: RE: Mary, Marry, Merry From: Genie Date: 20 Dec 07 - 02:58 AM The Four Marys is one of the songs from the DT that listed above, and Mary Hamilton was cited early on. : ) |
Subject: RE: Mary, Marry, Merry From: Uncle_DaveO Date: 20 Dec 07 - 09:22 AM Earlier on, I was puzzled with references to differences in pronunciation between merry, Mary, marry, merry, and Harry. "Of course, they are all pronounced to rhyme." But last night (under the influence of this thread) I was singing The Cherry Tree Carol, and I realized that I was singing something like "He mahr-ried Virgin Mary". Why, I don't know, but it sounds better that way to me, in singing that song. To me, the other four words all have the same vowel sound. In speaking, however, I don't think I'd ever make a difference in the vowel sounds, and I've never been aware of others making a distinction. That might just be my inattention. I should say, I suppose, that I'm from southern Minnesota originally, and transplanted 47 years ago to Indiana. Dave Oesterreich |
Subject: RE: Mary, Marry, Merry From: Genie Date: 20 Dec 07 - 04:22 PM Uncle Dave, my dad, who was born in 1914 in the US midwest and raised there, always asserted that "Mary," "merry" and "marry" were prounced differently. He said M-a-r-y was correctly pronounced "May-ree," "m-e-r-r-y" rhymed with "cherry" or "ferry" (i.e., short "e" sound) and "m-a-r-r-y" rhymed with "Harry" or "parry" (short "a" sound). Of course, I don't recall anyone else ever making quite those distinctions. Perhaps dad's take on it was once considered "correct" American English pronunciation, but, if so, those customs have long since lost their currency. And if your "English" is that spoken in places other than the US, I imagine all bets are off. |
Subject: RE: Mary, Marry, Merry From: Mo the caller Date: 20 Dec 07 - 04:43 PM Hmmm. Being English, from London originally, I'd pronounce the a in Mary as in mare (horse), the e in merry as in egg, and the a in marry as in mat or cat. But that only helps in you say mare, mat and egg the same as I do! |
Subject: RE: Mary, Marry, Merry From: Uncle_DaveO Date: 20 Dec 07 - 04:55 PM Genie, you said, He said M-a-r-y was correctly pronounced "May-ree," "m-e-r-r-y" rhymed with "cherry" or "ferry" (i.e., short "e" sound) and "m-a-r-r-y" rhymed with "Harry" or "parry" (short "a" sound). I have heard OF some saying "May-ree", but I don't understand the distinction you make about "marry", "Harry", "parry" not rhyming with "cherry" and "ferry". To me, and in my experience, they're all "airy" rhymers. Maybe I just don't have a subtle enough ear. Dave Oesterreich |
Subject: RE: Mary, Marry, Merry From: Azizi Date: 20 Dec 07 - 05:37 PM Has anyone mentioned this song yet? STROLLING THROUGH THE PARK ONE DAY Refrain While strolling through the park one day, In the merry merry month of May; I was taken by surprise, By a pair of roguish eyes, In a moment my poor heart was stole away. A smile was all she gave to me. Of course we were as happy as can be. Ah! I immediately raised my hat, And finally she remarked; I never shall forget, That lovely afternoon, I met her at the fountain in the park. While strolling through the park one day, In the merry month of May; I was taken by surprise, By a pair of roguish eyes, In a moment my poor heart was stole away. A smile was all she gave to me. Of course we are as happy as can be. Ah! I immediately raised my hat, And finally she remarked; I never shall forget, That lovely afternoon, I met her at the fountain in the park. Words & Music: Ed Haley Piano: Brent Bailey Midi: Somewhere In Time Lyrics: Musical's Tin Pan Alley Lyrics http://www.mommydearest.com/piano.html |
Subject: RE: Mary, Marry, Merry From: Azizi Date: 20 Dec 07 - 05:39 PM I was taken by surprise, By a pair of roguish eyes rougish eyes??!! I thought it was blue-ish eyes... And come to think of it, what has May been up to that makes her so merry? |
Subject: RE: Mary, Marry, Merry From: Genie Date: 20 Dec 07 - 07:58 PM Uncle Dave, it's just the difference between a short "e" sound and a short "a" sound. I realize that most of the time we "Yanks" tend to pronounce "hairy," "Harry," and "cherry," "marry," all with the same short vowel sound, but strictly speaking there is a difference. Some Brits, for example, clearly pronounce the name "Carrie" with a short "a" sound, NOT rhyming it with "merry" or "cherry" (short "e"). Say "ca" as in "cat" or "ma" as in "mat" and attach the syllable "ree" to it. Now say "te" as in "teflon" or "be" as in "bed" and attach the "ree" syllable. See (hear) the difference? "Marry" is "ma" (as in "mat") + "ree." "Merry" is "me" (as in "medicine") + "ree." My dad said "Mary" was supposed to be pronounced "May - ree." Hardly anyone I know, this side of the pond, anyway, makes those pronunciation distinctions. |
Subject: RE: Mary, Marry, Merry From: Mo the caller Date: 21 Dec 07 - 06:58 AM Genie, I think we have 4 vowel sounds here, a as in mat, e as in medicine, a as in may ..."maybe it's because I'm a Londoner", or "the merry morning of May" and a as in mare "Tom Pierce, Tom Peirce, lend me your grey mare". I'd say Mary as in mare. |
Subject: RE: Mary, Marry, Merry From: Snuffy Date: 21 Dec 07 - 10:13 AM For we Yookers, the sounds of Mary, merry and marry are as different as those of John, Jane and June. But Marie can be pronounced Mah-ree, M'ree or Marry |
Subject: RE: Mary, Marry, Merry From: Azizi Date: 21 Dec 07 - 07:28 PM Excerpt from "The Christmas Song" "And so I'm offering this simple phrase, To kids from one to ninety-two, Although its been said many times, many ways, Merry Christmas to you" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IaxDGfA7evA The Christmas Song sung by Nat King Cole |
Subject: RE: Mary, Marry, Merry From: Azizi Date: 22 Dec 07 - 08:09 AM Here's a children's song from early 20th century [or earlier] African American culture: Mary wore a red dress, red dress, red dress. Mary wore a red dress all day long. Mary was a red bird, red bird, red bird. Mary was a red bird all day long. -snip- I taught this song to pre-school/early elementary school children as a circle [ring] game with one person in the middle. When the person was a boy, we changed the name to "Johnny". The item of clothing was changed to "shirt" and the color mentioned was changed to whatever color shirt the child had on*. The child in the middle of the ring is supposed to imitate the movement of a bird [flapping their arms] while the rest of the circle holds hands and walks around the circle counterclockwise. When I taught this song to pre-school children, I or an adult teacher or aide went into the ring of the circle with the child and showed them how to flap their arms like a bird. At the 2nd line of the 2nd verse "Mary was a red bird", the adult would also help the child twirl around, with her or his eyes closed and one hand extended with finger pointed. This was done as a means of selecting the next child to go into the ring. That child who was the one pointed to on the last word of the song was the next "Mary" or "Johnny". *This game song may not be used in schools where children wear the same color uniforms. But in addition to teaching color recognition, among the other skills this game teaches are following instructions, taking turns, and group cooperation. |
Subject: RE: Mary, Marry, Merry From: Azizi Date: 22 Dec 07 - 09:25 AM I meant to mention that the tune for the song "Mary Wore A Red Dress" is the same as the first two lines of the children's song "I'm A Little Tea Pot". |
Subject: RE: Mary, Marry, Merry From: Genie Date: 22 Dec 07 - 05:31 PM Mo, I agree. The "a" (or "ai") as in "mare" or "fairy" is phonetically different from "a" as in "mat," "e" as in "cherry" or "red"," or "a" as in "May." And I think most Yanks pronounce "Mary" with an "a" as in "mare." (In fact, "Mare" is often a nickname for "Mary.") |
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