Subject: Songs about men killing women From: Rasener Date: 13 Dec 07 - 08:55 AM I know there are plenty of songs out there covering this subject. However, I am more interested in the most gruesome ones (trad or contemporary). I am interested in the lyrics, origin and even an audio clip of such songs. As an example, poisoning isn't gruesome enough :-) I will get me chainsaw :-) |
Subject: RE: Songs about men killing women From: Mary Humphreys Date: 13 Dec 07 - 08:58 AM How about Lady Maisry a bonny Scots girl, who is burnt to death at the stake for having an affair with an Englishman.It is her father and brothers who do the dreadful deed. And Lucy Wan, who is chopped in three pieces by her incestuous brother.That little gem most recently was collected in the Fens. Mary |
Subject: RE: Songs about men killing women From: Rasener Date: 13 Dec 07 - 09:03 AM ooh err Mary, youre in a gruesome mood. Yes thats the sort of thing. The worse the better LOL Les |
Subject: RE: Songs about men killing women From: Rasener Date: 13 Dec 07 - 09:05 AM Maybe we can come up with the top ten of most horrific ones. Obviously the lyrics need to be very good. I bet there has been a few good ens in the Welsh Mountains Mary :-) Les |
Subject: RE: Songs about men killing women From: Mary Humphreys Date: 13 Dec 07 - 09:10 AM What's brought this about Les? Too much Christmas spirit....? Mary |
Subject: RE: Songs about men killing women From: Rasener Date: 13 Dec 07 - 09:11 AM Too much nagging Mary LOL Les |
Subject: RE: Songs about men killing women From: Rasener Date: 13 Dec 07 - 09:13 AM And living in a house with 3 women I'll get me vacuum cleaner :-) |
Subject: RE: Songs about men killing women From: Rasener Date: 13 Dec 07 - 09:22 AM Actually I thought it would be good to have a Man killing Woman instead of the Woman killing Man thread. |
Subject: RE: Songs about men killing women From: Big Al Whittle Date: 13 Dec 07 - 09:40 AM This is an unwholesome subject for a song, and I would strongly counsel you to think of nice subjects for songs and to try to avoid all mention of life's grubbier aspects. Folksongs about fluffy kittens, a brisk cold shower after strenuous exercise, and walking holidays in the lake district form the basis of most English folksong collections (as is well known). Try to confine yourself to these, and you will be headed for a more fulfilled and (I use this in the good sense) more 'traditional' sort of existence. |
Subject: RE: Songs about men killing women From: Rasener Date: 13 Dec 07 - 10:08 AM Did you ever write a song about such things Big Al? |
Subject: RE: Songs about men killing women From: Big Al Whittle Date: 13 Dec 07 - 10:42 AM No I never strayed from the path of the true tradition. It was fluffy kittens, manly pursuits and walks in the Lake District, the joys of watercolouring... that sort of thing that scratched my creative itch. You see Les, I liked to see my audiences uplifted. You know what John Denver said:- Country roads, take me home And that's what I aspired to achieve. A walk down a English country lane, with all the scents of the meadow and sound of birdsong drowning ones senses. A rustic gate to lean on, and linger and appraise ones place in this benificent universe. I wonder if I ever fully achieved that. |
Subject: RE: Songs about men killing women From: Rasener Date: 13 Dec 07 - 11:17 AM Well certainly not with George Joseph Smith me thinks :-) |
Subject: RE: Songs about men killing women From: Mikefule Date: 13 Dec 07 - 01:02 PM This is just the sort of thread you don't want to have started the week before someone is brutally murdered in your town! Are you a loner who spends too much time on the internet? Next thread: songs about people framed by the police for the brutal murder of a woman who happened to live nearby... |
Subject: RE: Songs about men killing women From: Rasener Date: 13 Dec 07 - 01:30 PM Mikefule >>This is just the sort of thread you don't want to have started the week before someone is brutally murdered in your town! Are you a loner who spends too much time on the internet? << Nope, family man with 2 children. This is about folksongs that have already been written. |
Subject: RE: Songs about men killing women From: topical tom Date: 13 Dec 07 - 04:00 PM Pretty Pollyhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YvXGLym-llE |
Subject: RE: Songs about men killing women From: GUEST,TJ in San Diego Date: 13 Dec 07 - 04:01 PM In the "folk tradition," recording major local events in song was standard stuff. If it happened to be a murder of someone locals knew, it was certainly grist for the mill. The song many accuse of kicking off the "great folk scare" of the late 1950's and early '60's, "Tom Dooley," was (at least in the original form) just such a song. Frequently, the killer is remorseful, suffers a just fate, or both in the course of the song, hanging being the most prominent outcome. As one fellow said, "It ain't pretty, but it's life." Most of the songs I recall certainly don't "celebrate" the crime, but dwell,instead, on the darkness and evil associated with it, along with the punishment meted out. |
Subject: RE: Songs about men killing women From: Rasener Date: 13 Dec 07 - 04:23 PM Hey Tom, which one is you? Any lyrics? TJ Tom Dooley was probably one of the first songs I ever bought by Lonnie Donegan. Great song that. |
Subject: RE: Songs about men killing women From: Herga Kitty Date: 13 Dec 07 - 04:25 PM Little Musgrave, Long Lankin (though the false nurse helped), Susie Cleland (though her mother helped). The miller in the Two Sisters who pulled her out of the water just to rob her, before throwing her back in. Babylon - killed his own sisters because he didn't recognise them. Edward - incest and sororicide, similar to Lucy Wan, and also of course Sheath and Knife - incest, infanticide and sororicide. Kitty |
Subject: RE: Songs about men killing women From: Deskjet Date: 13 Dec 07 - 04:36 PM Deadman's Tale http://cdbaby.com/cd/bdevereux |
Subject: RE: Songs about men killing women From: Rasener Date: 13 Dec 07 - 04:52 PM Hey Kitty, you like a bit of blood and guts don't you :-) Nice stuff there Deskjet. |
Subject: RE: Songs about men killing women From: Herga Kitty Date: 13 Dec 07 - 05:08 PM Of course, I forgot to mention "With 'er 'ead tucked underneath 'er arm"..... Kitty |
Subject: RE: Songs about men killing women From: Rasener Date: 13 Dec 07 - 05:39 PM She waaalked the bloody tower |
Subject: RE: Songs about men killing women From: Neil D Date: 13 Dec 07 - 06:16 PM http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BdQFKWeyKK0 Here's one. |
Subject: RE: Songs about men killing women From: topical tom Date: 13 Dec 07 - 06:54 PM To The Villan:Pretty Polly ~Traditional Polly, pretty Polly, would you think me unkind Polly, pretty Polly, would you think me unkind if I sat down beside you and told you my mind My mind is to marry and never to part My mind is to marry and never to part, The first time I saw you it wounded my heart Polly, pretty Polly, come and go along with me Polly, pretty Polly, come and go along with me Before we get married some pleasure to seek He led her over mountains and valleys so deep He led her over mountains and valleys so deep Polly misjudged him and she began to weep Sayin' "Willie, Oh Willie, I'm afraid of your ways" Willie, Oh Willie, I'm afraid of your ways" The way you've been ramblin' you'd lead me astray He said "Polly, pretty Polly, your guess is about right. Polly, pretty Polly, your guess is about right, I dug on your grave the best part of last night She followed him a little farther and what did she find She followed him a little farther and what did she find A new dug grave and a spade lyin' by She knealt down before him and begged for her life She knealt down before him and begged for her life Sayin' "Let me be a single girl if I can't be your wife" "Polly, pretty polly that never could be. Polly, pretty polly that never could be, Your pink reputation's been trouble to me He opened up her bosom as white as any snow He opened up her bosom as white as any snow He stabbed her through the heart and the blood began to flow He went to the jailhouse and what did he say He went to the jailhouse and what did he say I've killed pretty Polly and I'm tryin' to get away Home About Me Music Schwa H Links Guestbook Here are the lyrics to "Pretty Polly" |
Subject: RE: Songs about men killing women From: GUEST,Volgadon Date: 13 Dec 07 - 07:25 PM Edward? I thought it was his father he killed. |
Subject: RE: Songs about men killing women From: topical tom Date: 14 Dec 07 - 02:21 PM Sorry! Another song is "Down in the Willow Garden": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmLR5XrckC4 |
Subject: RE: Songs about men killing women From: topical tom Date: 14 Dec 07 - 02:55 PM Here are Tim O'Brien's lyrics to "Down in the Willow Garden": Artist: O'Brien Tim Song: Down in the Willow Garden Album: The Crossing Buy Tim O'Brien Sheet Music Buy Tim O'Brien CDs Down in the willow garden Where me and my true love did meet It was there we went a courting My love fell off to sleep I had a bottle of burgundy wine My true love she did not know It was there I murdered that dear little girl Down on the banks below I drew my saber through her It was a bloody knife I threw her into the river It was an awful sight My father often told me That money would set me free If I'd but murder that dear little girl Who's name was Rose Connely Now he stands at his cabin door Wiping his tear dimmed eye Gazing on his own dear son Upon the scaffold high My race is run beneath the sun The devil is waiting for me For I did murder that dear little girl Who's name was Rose Connely [ More O'Brien Tim Lyrics ] Album Lyrics: The Crossing [1999] O'Brien Tim "The Crossing" |
Subject: RE: Songs about men killing women From: Rumncoke Date: 14 Dec 07 - 03:49 PM Bethy Shepherd is probably gruesome enough. Starts off 'come all ye' and the young perpetrator claims not to know what came over him - 'then picking up a hedge stake he there beat out her brains.' Probably written recently but in the genre. |
Subject: RE: Songs about men killing women From: Irish sergeant Date: 14 Dec 07 - 06:03 PM Musn't forget The Banks of the Ohio, or William Bloat (Though in William Bloat, herself lives and he caps off) Neil |
Subject: RE: Songs about men killing women From: GUEST,KennyB Sans Kuki Date: 15 Dec 07 - 12:19 PM Burke & Hare ( killed men and women) , Dick Darby the Cobbler, Old Woman of Wexford |
Subject: RE: Songs about men killing women From: GUEST,The Mole Catchers Apprentice Date: 15 Dec 07 - 12:55 PM Hanged I Shall Be - Albion Country Band (Martin Carthy vocals) from the album Battle of The Field. |
Subject: RE: Songs about men killing women From: Rasener Date: 15 Dec 07 - 01:22 PM Hinckley Lido in Leicestershire was in Netherley Road (off Ashby Road) and opened in June 1935. It was on the site of what is now the Fludes Factory. Hollycroft Park was laid out in 1935. J. Ernest Rattenbury was best known for his Fernley-Hartley lectures and, amongst others, his book on The Evangelical Doctrine of Charles Wesley's Hymns. Twycross Gibbet Post is still extant. The inscription (which is not clear from the film) reads: 'The gibbet was erected here a 1/2 of a mile from the scene of a murder committed by John Massey, February 1800'. John Massey was a well-known wrestler who murdered his wife, and attempted to murder his daughter, by throwing them into a watermill wheel. This song is written by Skatz and is called "The Tale Of Topsy Turvy" Have a listen The Tale Of Topsy Turvy Select the third song on the right to listen to it. |
Subject: RE: Songs about men killing women From: GUEST,Jim Date: 15 Dec 07 - 02:08 PM Deliah's Gone Banks Of The Ohio Little Sadie Willie's Redheaded Stranger |
Subject: RE: Songs about men killing women From: Bobert Date: 15 Dec 07 - 08:05 PM Hey, Joe Where ya' going with that gun in your hand Hey, Joe, I said, where you going with that gun in your hand I'm going down to shoot my old lady You know I caught her messin' 'round with another man Huh! and that ain't cool Huh hey hoe, I heard you shot your mamma down You shot her down now Hey, Joe, I heard you shot your lady down You shot her down in the ground, yeah Yeah! Yes I did, I shot her You know I caught her messin' 'round messin' 'round town Huh, yes I did... I shot her You know I caught here messin' 'round town And I gave her the gun And I shot her Alright Shoot her one more time again, baby Yeah Oh, dig it Oh, alright Hey, Joe, where you gonna run to now where you gonna go Hey, Joe, where you gonna run to now where you gonna go I'm goin' way down south way doen to Mexico way I'm goin' way down south way down where I can be free Ain't no one gonna find me an' ain't gonna put a rope 'round me Ain't no hang-man gonna He ain't gonna put a rope 'round me You better believe it right now I gotta go new Hey, Joe, you better run on down Goodbye everybody hey, hey, Joe... Jimi Hendirx... Great blues song done acoustically... Bobert |
Subject: RE: Songs about men killing women From: Georgiansilver Date: 16 Dec 07 - 04:11 AM Scolds Bridle have one on their new CD called 'The Banks of Red Roses' and it makes the murder sound almost beautiful.HUH! Will try to find the words...... |
Subject: RE: Songs about men killing women From: Susanne (skw) Date: 16 Dec 07 - 09:53 PM 'Prince Heathen' has not been mentioned. I know he didn't kill her, but not for want of trying! It's about the most gruesome tale of treatment of woman by man that I can think of. |
Subject: RE: Songs about men killing women From: GUEST,baz parkes Date: 17 Dec 07 - 03:30 AM On the modern front Oysterbands Oxford Girl does a good job Baz Though they might have been two words when they recorded it originally...:-) |
Subject: RE: Songs about men killing women From: GUEST,Edthefolkie Date: 17 Dec 07 - 06:31 AM Two famous ones I believe not mentioned yet: Poor Murdered Woman The Murder of Maria Marten Both 19c, both historical more or less, both on the same album ("No Roses") |
Subject: RE: Songs about men killing women From: Joe_F Date: 17 Dec 07 - 08:46 PM Jellon Grame (Child 90). He saves the baby, tho, "smothering in her blood". Very nasty, but a good portrait of a psychopath. |
Subject: RE: Songs about men killing women From: GLoux Date: 18 Dec 07 - 10:38 AM One of my favorites: Fair Margaret and Sweet William -Greg |
Subject: RE: Songs about men killing women From: GLoux Date: 18 Dec 07 - 10:40 AM Another... Knoxville Girl -Greg |
Subject: RE: Songs about men killing women From: SINSULL Date: 18 Dec 07 - 10:57 AM Grandma Got Run Over By A Reindeer - in the holiday spirit. |
Subject: RE: Songs about men killing women From: GUEST,Ray Date: 18 Dec 07 - 11:05 AM A great song (unrecorded) by Richard Thompson - "Dragging the River" |
Subject: RE: Songs about men killing women From: mrmoe Date: 18 Dec 07 - 11:29 AM ....and jesse colin young's "four in the morning" |
Subject: RE: Songs about men killing women From: GUEST,Edthefolkie Date: 18 Dec 07 - 11:57 AM Aha...talking about Dragging the River by Richard Thompson... You thought that you were smart, little tart When you threw me over for Shorty McKay You thought that I would take it like a white man Squeeze your hand as we said goodbye Now the Police are out there dragging the river Looking for a body, five foot two There've been complaints about the drinking water So they're dragging the river for you I spent a fortune keeping you quiet And you found a nice way to pay me back Now how does the future look without me From the inside of a sack? Now the Police are out there dragging the river Looking for a bone in an Irish stew God help the worms and God help the fishies They're dragging the river for you All my life I've been a coward You know I never had the courage to fend for myself Killing you was the best thing I ever did You worked wonders for my mental health Now the Police are out there dragging the river Looking for a body, five foot two The divers are down and the beaters are out And they're dragging the river for you As John Peel said when Richard and Linda did the song on Top Gear - "Ah, the power of positive thought!" |
Subject: RE: Songs about men killing women From: mrmoe Date: 18 Dec 07 - 01:15 PM ...my apology to george ramaily.....he is the author of "four in the morning" done by jesse colin young on his first album..... |
Subject: RE: Songs about men killing women From: Ferrara Date: 18 Dec 07 - 01:28 PM A few months ago the Washington Post had an article about the high death rates of pregnant women -- often, from being murdered by the father of the baby. It didn't seem to make much difference whether they were married to each other or not. The coming of an unwanted baby is still very likely to evoke rage in the man who fathered it. (He didn't know this could happen?) I thought, "This comes as a surprise? Obviously they don't listen to folk music." Sickening though, and disheartening, to realize how very often it still happens. There is an album of old ballads that Camsco carries, I think it's called "Traditional Ballads of Virginia." It is a great archive, but it contained so many disaster and murder songs, in such graphic detail, that I asked Dick if I could please swap it for something less depressing. :-) |
Subject: RE: Songs about men killing women From: mrmoe Date: 18 Dec 07 - 01:44 PM ...not sure if this one qualifies.....it's a beautiful ballad about a woman dying from a botched abortion...... "where the uplands roll"......carl watanabe if you say my name where the uplands roll and the answer you get ain't very kind they'll be spoken by my hard friends of old and my hard friends of old, I don't mind I met a green eyed girl where the chaparral rolls and grows high up to meet the yellow pine her name and age best be unknown it's enough just to say she once was mine she was fair but her ways were much fairer yet and her laughter could dance against the wind her manner charmed everyone that she met 'til they held her as dear as next of kin each young man placed his wealth and his soul in her hand but none of them could be so proud for she did choose a stranger to the land and she came to me with her head bowed our wedding day would come when the spring flowers bloomed like two horses we danced into the sun the stallion pranced and the mare would follow before our wedding day a child would come soldiers kill and we honor them with fortune and fame but a baby who's harmed not one life but is early to come is bathed full in shame so must die unborn to a doctor's knife as the doctor took our unborn babe seeds of sorrow took root upon her mind in her body the poison from his unwashed blade left a wound who's cure we'd never find so if you say my name where the uplands roll and the answer you get ain't very kind they'll be spoken by my hard friends of old and my hard friends of old, I don't mind but if they say not a word about me at all but are reminded of a young girl once so fine then listen close to the words that they recall and they'll tell you of a girl who once was mine |
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