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Subject: Fairytale of New York censored by Beeb! From: Steve Shaw Date: 18 Dec 07 - 06:05 AM I hear that the BBC is going to bleep out the word "faggot" from the song so as not to offend the gay community. |
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Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York censored by Beeb! From: Mr Happy Date: 18 Dec 07 - 06:14 AM http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/7149525.stm |
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Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York censored by Beeb! From: Mr Happy Date: 18 Dec 07 - 06:21 AM They won't need to censor McGowan though, his diction says it all - not! http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=NrAwK9juhhY |
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Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York censored by Beeb! From: Emma B Date: 18 Dec 07 - 06:22 AM Seems it just applies to Radio 1 - 'a station by station decision' 'But the ban does not apply across the BBC. Radio 2 said it would be playing the full version of the track.' BBC News 24 |
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Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York censored by Beeb! From: The PA Date: 18 Dec 07 - 06:23 AM I cant imagine the usual Radio 1 audience being the slightest bit interested in this at all. The word 'fagot' is quite polite in comparison to some of the expressions I've heard. Our son is 17 and has never head of the expression. Radio 2 are continuing to play the unedited version. Another example of the world going mad I'm afraid. Schools not allowed to perform the traditional nativity play, changing the name of Christmas to Winterfest for fear of offending someone somewhere to name but two. |
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Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York censored by Beeb! From: Mark Dowding Date: 18 Dec 07 - 06:38 AM I'm sure the word "f**k" which seems to be common place across the airwaves these days causes more offence. Cheers Mark |
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Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York censored by Beeb! From: Emma B Date: 18 Dec 07 - 06:58 AM Radio 1 attempts to be a 'youth' station; the official title for the station's anniversary celebrations, "Established 1967", doesn't even mention the actual age the station is going to be! Like PA I can't imagine that the bulk of its target audience are even familiar with the term, which is essentially a North American (or Australian?) derogatory word leading to a lot of suprised looks in the US to 'I'm going to try and find some fags' when needing a cigarette :) alternatively I'm very fond of them with onion gravy :) |
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Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York censored by Beeb! From: Folk Form # 1 Date: 18 Dec 07 - 07:01 AM "They won't need to censor McGowan though, his diction says it all - not!" I've heard that McGowan is one his best generations lyric writers. After listening to the Pogues albums, I couldn't possibly say. |
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Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York censored by Beeb! From: Folkiedave Date: 18 Dec 07 - 07:04 AM Crazy decision. Dave |
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Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York censored by Beeb! From: Liz the Squeak Date: 18 Dec 07 - 07:08 AM So, the drug references can stay (you're a bum, you're a punk, you're an old slut on junk), but the 'cheap lousy faggot' has to be blanked... says it all really. For the BBC, drugs are acceptable, being gay isn't. LTS |
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Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York censored by Beeb! From: Emma B Date: 18 Dec 07 - 07:14 AM The BBC Radio 1 message board must be in melt-down! Trying to access the question on the home page 'Is the BBC right to edit lyrics?' just gets a webpage unobtainable message! |
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Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York censored by Beeb! From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 18 Dec 07 - 07:24 AM From a BBC website poll: Should radio stations censor The Pogues' Fairytale of New York? Yes 3.74% No 96.26% No point in getting worked up about it. I think this is pretty obviously a publicity stunt by BBC 1, to remind people it exists. |
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Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York censored by Beeb! From: theleveller Date: 18 Dec 07 - 07:28 AM Why don't they play Bottle of Smoke instead? |
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Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York censored by Beeb! From: John MacKenzie Date: 18 Dec 07 - 08:16 AM Isn't the word Mick used in this song as a generic description for an Irishman? In my mind this is even more insulting than the word that is being blanked out. I suspect that there may be more homosexuals than Irishmen working at the BBC. With apologies to Terry Wogan [Sir] Giok |
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Subject: Lyr Add: BOYS FROM THE COUNTY HELL (The Pogues) From: Shaneo Date: 18 Dec 07 - 08:36 AM If the really wanted to stir it up, they could play ''The Boys From The County Hell'', mighty song' Fairytale hasn't got a patch on this one. On the first day of March it was raining It was raining worse than anything that I have ever seen I drank ten pints of beer and I cursed all the people there And I wish that all this raining would stop falling down on me And it's lend me ten pounds, I'll buy you a drink And mother wake me early in the morning At the time I was working for a landlord And he was the meanest bastard that you have ever seen And to lose a single penny would grieve him awful sore And he was a miserable bollocks and a bitch's bastard's whore And it's lend me ten pounds, I'll buy you a drink And mother wake me early in the morning I recall we took care of him one sunday We got him out the back and we broke his fucking balls And maybe that was dreaming and maybe that was real But all I know is I left that place without a penny or fuck all And it's lend me ten pounds, I'll buy you a drink And mother wake me early in the morning But now I've the most charming of verandahs I sit and watch the junkies, the drunks, the pimps, the whores Five green bottles sitting on the floor I wish to christ, I wish to christ That I had fifteen more And it's lend me ten pounds, I'll buy you a drink And mother wake me early in the morning And it's lend me ten pounds, I'll buy you a drink And mother wake me early in the morning The boys and me are drunk and looking for you We'll eat your frigging entrails and we won't give a damn Me daddy was a blue shirt and my mother a madam And my brother earned his medals at mai lei in vietnam And it's lend me ten pounds and I'll buy you a drink And mother wake me early in the morning On the first day of march it was raining It was raining worse than anything that I have ever seen Stay on the other side of the road 'cause you can never tell We've a thirst like a gang of devils We're the boys of the county hell |
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Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York censored by Beeb! From: GUEST,sparticus Date: 18 Dec 07 - 08:44 AM I wish they would leave it off the playlist altogether, along with Slade and Roy Wood and all the rest that they pull out every year at Christmas! |
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Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York censored by Beeb! From: GUEST,Ruth at work Date: 18 Dec 07 - 09:06 AM "Isn't the word Mick used in this song as a generic description for an Irishman?" I don't think so... |
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Subject: Lyr Add: FAIRYTALE OF NEW YORK (The Pogues) From: Liz the Squeak Date: 18 Dec 07 - 09:10 AM As far as I can see, there is no 'Mick' in the song... see? It was Christmas Eve babe In the drunk tank An old man said to me, won't see another one And then he sang a song The Rare Old Mountain Dew I turned my face away And dreamed about you Got on a lucky one Came in eighteen to one I've got a feeling This year's for me and you So happy Christmas I love you baby I can see a better time When all our dreams come true They've got cars big as bars They've got rivers of gold But the wind goes right through you It's no place for the old When you first took my hand On a cold Christmas Eve You promised me Broadway was waiting for me You were handsome You were pretty Queen of New York City When the band finished playing They howled out for more Sinatra was swinging, All the drunks they were singing We kissed on a corner Then danced through the night The boys of the NYPD choir Were singing "Galway Bay" And the bells were ringing out For Christmas day You're a bum You're a punk You're an old slut on junk Lying there almost dead on a drip in that bed You scumbag, you maggot You cheap lousy faggot Happy Christmas your arse I pray God it's our last I could have been someone Well so could anyone You took my dreams from me When I first found you I kept them with me babe I put them with my own Can't make it all alone I've built my dreams around you -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- copyright 1988 Shane MacGowan & Jem Finer LTS |
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Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York censored by Beeb! From: John MacKenzie Date: 18 Dec 07 - 09:20 AM Well I heard it used in the fashion I described in some song of that ilk. I am just a confused old man, so can't remember which one. However my point is still valid, the deletion is selective. Especially when the word arse follows soon after the faggot one. It seems that some PC is more important than other PCs. G |
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Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York censored by Beeb! From: The Borchester Echo Date: 18 Dec 07 - 09:29 AM I wish they would leave it off the playlist altogether, along with Slade and Roy Wood and all the rest that they pull out every year at Christmas And every year you always get someone who, never having actually listened to it, hasn't a clue what it's about. Thanks to LTS for reproducing it (yet again). FTONY describes exactly what happened to the hopes and dreams of Irish (and other) immigrants to the 'land of the free'. It needs to be compulsory listening for all, especially the punks, bums and sluts on junk who walk around in suits at the BBC. |
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Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York censored by Beeb! From: Liz the Squeak Date: 18 Dec 07 - 09:33 AM Goik (or should that be 'Jock'?!), I think it's time you had a lie down and took your tablets again... But you're right, selective deletion is not good.. it should be all or nothing and if you're giving the message that drug taking is OK but being a faggot isn't then it's a bad message. Besides, what's wrong with being a small bundle of firewood anyway? LTS |
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Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York censored by Beeb! From: John MacKenzie Date: 18 Dec 07 - 10:13 AM Or a Savoury Duck come to that. G. |
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Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York censored by Beeb! From: GUEST Date: 18 Dec 07 - 10:16 AM I read somewhere recently (Radio Times?) that when the song was done live on TOTP, they made Kirsty MacColl sing "ass" instead of "arse". Why this should be considered less offensive, I really can't imagine. And anyway, as with the above examples) the whole point about that verse is that it's supposed to be insulting, and if you remove any offensive terms it kind of misses the point. I suppose it could be argued that when they censor "faggot", what they're objecting to is its use as a term of abuse - after all, the n-word is banned not because it's not OK to be black, but because it's not OK to make skin colour the focus of an insult. But I wouldn't be convinced that this is the reason. Marje |
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Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York censored by Beeb! From: Liz the Squeak Date: 18 Dec 07 - 10:21 AM Almost any word or name can be used as a term of abuse... the words 'bless you' when said with the right inflection (Whoopi Goldberg in 'Sister Act' for instance) can mean exactly the opposite. I know that we're supposed to live and learn, and that what was acceptable in the past might not be so now, but in this day and age, is it really necessary to censor so much? If they MUST censor, I'd favour more the removal of the drug references than the use of 'faggot', which is less well known. Heaven forefend that a child should look it up in a dictionary. LTS |
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Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York censored by Beeb! From: GUEST,everyone loves christmas Date: 18 Dec 07 - 10:46 AM god people - talk about PC overload, only last week I was reading about a 70 something grandad being fired as Santa for saying "Ho Ho Ho" - what the hekk is wrong with people today!!! Definition of PC - sad old grumpy idiots who have way too much time on their hands...why not ban the word Fairy from the title, I mean HOW OFFENSIVE!!!! |
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Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York censored by Beeb! From: Emma B Date: 18 Dec 07 - 10:57 AM Well good old fair-minded Auntie Beeb at Radio 1 apparently edited out 'slut' too. Was it the comedy programme 'I'm sorry I haven't a clue' that took totally innocuous songs and, by introducing well timed 'bleeps', created something quite hilariously different |
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Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York censored by Beeb! From: Brakn Date: 18 Dec 07 - 11:08 AM Radio 1 is probably the one station I will not listen to and I don't think I know anyone who does. It lost it's main audience years ago. The djs are in love with themselves and not the music. |
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Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York censored by Beeb! From: Mr Happy Date: 18 Dec 07 - 11:14 AM It was Non-Denominational Winter Holiday Eve infant In the inebriated container A mature person said to me, won't see another one And then he sang a song The Uncommon Not getting any younger Peak Dew I turned my countenance away And dreamed about you |
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Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York censored by Beeb! From: GUEST,Ruth still at work Date: 18 Dec 07 - 11:14 AM If they're gonna get tetchy, surely it's the NYPD choir which ought to be edited out, as there's no such thing. |
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Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York censored by Beeb! From: GUEST,harrys girls Date: 18 Dec 07 - 11:27 AM I reckon the song should be called the Beep of Beep Beep because I have made a point of editing out all insults in the name of political correctness and it now goes like this... It was BEEPmas Eve BEEP In the BEEP tank A BEEP BEEP said to me, won't see another one And then he BEEPED a BEEP The BEEP Old Mountain Dew I turned my face a BEEP And BEEPed about BEEP BEEP I'm on a lucky one Came in eighteen to one I've got a BEEPing This year's for me and you So happy BEEP BEEP I BEEP you BEEPby I can see a better time When all our BEEPs come true They've got cars big as BEEPs They've got rivers of BEEP But the wind goes right through you It's no place for the BEEP When you first took my BEEP On a cold BEEPmas Eve You promised me Broadway was waiting for me You were BEEPsome You were BEEPy BEEP of New York City When the band finished playing They BEEPED up the mall Sinatra was BEEPing, All the BEEPs they were BEEPing We BEEPed on a corner Then BEEPed through the night The boys of the NYPD choir Were singing "Galway Bay" And the bells were ringing out For BEEPmas day You're a BEEP You're a BEEP You're an old BEEP BEEP BEEP BEEP BEEPing there almost BEEP on a BEEP in that BEEP You BEEP BEEP, you BEEP BEEP You BEEP BEEP BEEP BEEP BEEP Happy BEEPmas your BEEP I pray BEEP it's our last I could have been someone Well so could anyone You took my dreams from me When I first found you I kept them with me BEEP I put them with my own Can't make it all alone I've built my dreams around you |
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Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York censored by Beeb! From: GUEST,me again Date: 18 Dec 07 - 11:31 AM Mr Happy - you are a scream, I love it, send that to Radio 1 - PLEASE!!! |
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Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York censored by Beeb! From: Rog Peek Date: 18 Dec 07 - 12:02 PM Can't see what the BBC has against faggots, they're delicios! Ingredients for faggots pigs liver 450 gm onions 2 pc breadcrumbs 100 gm suet 75 gm chopped sage 2 tsp salt sq pepper sq How to make faggots Mince the liver and onions into a mixing bowl, this can be as fine or as coarse to suit your own tastes Add the breadcrumbs, chopped suet, sage and season with the salt and pepper (it should be quite peppery) Shape the mixture into small balls, if the mixture is too wet more breadcrumbs should be added Place onto a greased oven tin and bake in moderate oven for about 30 minutes Remove faggots and add boiling water and a little flour to the tin to make gravy. Rog |
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Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York censored by Beeb! From: gnomad Date: 18 Dec 07 - 12:20 PM Radio 4 have just reported that radio 1 have just reversed their decision. I am not fond of this record (prefer other versions) but I approve the reversal. |
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Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York censored by Beeb! From: Jim Lad Date: 18 Dec 07 - 12:24 PM I thought it was a gay song with that whole "Queen of New York" thing going on but I can't see anything wrong with calling someone a bundle of sticks! |
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Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York censored by Beeb! From: The Borchester Echo Date: 18 Dec 07 - 12:25 PM Yes, Andy Parfitt having listened to the track has decided it's not homophobic after all. Which it isn't. Is there another version of FTONY? Could anyone other than MacGowan/MacColl do it? |
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Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York censored by Beeb! From: Folkiedave Date: 18 Dec 07 - 12:40 PM Errrr...Christy Moore has recorded it. (On the CD Live at the Point). I didn't have the Pogue's version anyway. |
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Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York censored by Beeb! From: GUEST Date: 18 Dec 07 - 12:47 PM According to Wikipedia, Cait O'Riordan was originally intended to sing the female part but left the Pogues before the song was completed. I could imagine her doing a good job. How about Cliff Richard/Kate Rusby? |
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Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York censored by Beeb! From: Jim Lad Date: 18 Dec 07 - 02:09 PM I was thinking more..... Elton John! |
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Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York censored by Beeb! From: Geoff Wallis Date: 18 Dec 07 - 02:20 PM There are numerous cover versions, several of which involve self-censorship by the musicians concerned. There are two plausible candidates for the worst version. 1) The blessed St Ronan of Keating's offering changed 'cheap lousy faggot' to 'you're cheap and you're haggard' and his accomplice in the crime was Máire (aka Moya) Brennan of Clannad. It sold like lead courgettes. 2) The Irish Tenors' rendition omitted the crucial verse concerned, all in the interest of maintaining the trio's clean-living, chicken-in-a-basket and send-them-home-to-their-mums-in-clean-underwear audience. |
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Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York censored by Beeb! From: Backwoodsman Date: 18 Dec 07 - 02:31 PM I'd be happy if they banned it altogether. The worst record ever made. In my humble opinion. :-) |
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Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York censored by Beeb! From: MuddleC Date: 18 Dec 07 - 02:38 PM I think that the final word must rest with the Catholic Church.. and their Craggy Island spokesman,err, spokespriest? 'Father Jack, what do you think about dis sorta ting?' >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Arse!...Feck!...Gurls!...Drink!" |
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Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York censored by Beeb! From: skarpi Date: 18 Dec 07 - 02:47 PM beeb,beeb,beeb,beeb,beeb. beeb,beeb,beeb, beeb beeb, beeb ,beebed,beed,beebeds. beeb, beeb , .beeb. |
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Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York censored by Beeb! From: jacqui.c Date: 18 Dec 07 - 02:49 PM I love the song but, having heard it done by a couple of other performers must say that the only version I like is the Pogues and Kirsty. Terrific tune, whatever the words. |
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Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York censored by Beeb! From: s&r Date: 18 Dec 07 - 03:33 PM They've withdrawn the censorship on the grounds that the audience have sufficient wisdom to realise that the words will not cause offence in context... or something like that. Stu |
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Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York censored by Beeb! From: Tootler Date: 18 Dec 07 - 05:13 PM They've withdrawn the censorship on the grounds that the audience have sufficient wisdom to realise that the words will not cause offence in context... or something like that. Or: They've demonstrated that they are a bunch of complete pillocks and are trying to save face. |
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Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York censored by Beeb! From: CET Date: 18 Dec 07 - 05:52 PM Something my cat coughed up on the rug could sing it better than Shane McGowan. I listened to a few seconds of the You Tube video, and was beginning to feel ill and had to turn it off so I never got to hear Kirsty MacColl. Great song, though. |
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Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York censored by Beeb! From: Big Al Whittle Date: 18 Dec 07 - 08:49 PM I like Shane's songs. They seem to me, very poetic. I remember years ago Karl Dallas wondering in print in the Melody Maker, why the Irish were so keen to embrace the national stereotypes in folksong; at the very time the American black people were turning their backs on blues songs, with their crude racial stereotypes. Either way, you could pick a hole in Bottle of Smoke or Fairytale of New York - every line of them - for just those faults. Surely you accept it, in its totality, or not at all. |
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Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York censored by Beeb! From: Jim Lad Date: 19 Dec 07 - 03:35 AM I actually like Kristy Moore's rendition of the song. The man has talent and the song is relevant to my younger years in Australia & Canada. |
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Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York censored by Beeb! From: GUEST,Wayne Date: 19 Dec 07 - 06:08 AM For me, Shane MacGowan's voice may be ragged & harsh but it is also soulful and heartfelt. His version of She Moved Through The Fair is by far my favourite. Fairytale has become a bit of a Christmas cliche but it remains a superlative song. Indeed, I reckon that Shane is one of the best songwriters of the last thirty years. But then, I like Gilbert O'Sullivan so what do I know? |
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Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York censored by Beeb! From: Hawker Date: 19 Dec 07 - 07:08 AM Now then, this has got me worried! every year on New Years eve, in our household, we burn the ashen Faggot! Oh F*!K are we going to be raided by the PC police for this? One year we piped the faggot in and the vicar blessed it before we burned it! I'm going straight to hell methinks! Please somebody get a grip! Stop the world I want to get off! |
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