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Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York censored by Beeb! From: Liz the Squeak Date: 18 Dec 07 - 09:33 AM Goik (or should that be 'Jock'?!), I think it's time you had a lie down and took your tablets again... But you're right, selective deletion is not good.. it should be all or nothing and if you're giving the message that drug taking is OK but being a faggot isn't then it's a bad message. Besides, what's wrong with being a small bundle of firewood anyway? LTS |
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Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York censored by Beeb! From: The Borchester Echo Date: 18 Dec 07 - 09:29 AM I wish they would leave it off the playlist altogether, along with Slade and Roy Wood and all the rest that they pull out every year at Christmas And every year you always get someone who, never having actually listened to it, hasn't a clue what it's about. Thanks to LTS for reproducing it (yet again). FTONY describes exactly what happened to the hopes and dreams of Irish (and other) immigrants to the 'land of the free'. It needs to be compulsory listening for all, especially the punks, bums and sluts on junk who walk around in suits at the BBC. |
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Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York censored by Beeb! From: John MacKenzie Date: 18 Dec 07 - 09:20 AM Well I heard it used in the fashion I described in some song of that ilk. I am just a confused old man, so can't remember which one. However my point is still valid, the deletion is selective. Especially when the word arse follows soon after the faggot one. It seems that some PC is more important than other PCs. G |
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Subject: Lyr Add: FAIRYTALE OF NEW YORK (The Pogues) From: Liz the Squeak Date: 18 Dec 07 - 09:10 AM As far as I can see, there is no 'Mick' in the song... see? It was Christmas Eve babe In the drunk tank An old man said to me, won't see another one And then he sang a song The Rare Old Mountain Dew I turned my face away And dreamed about you Got on a lucky one Came in eighteen to one I've got a feeling This year's for me and you So happy Christmas I love you baby I can see a better time When all our dreams come true They've got cars big as bars They've got rivers of gold But the wind goes right through you It's no place for the old When you first took my hand On a cold Christmas Eve You promised me Broadway was waiting for me You were handsome You were pretty Queen of New York City When the band finished playing They howled out for more Sinatra was swinging, All the drunks they were singing We kissed on a corner Then danced through the night The boys of the NYPD choir Were singing "Galway Bay" And the bells were ringing out For Christmas day You're a bum You're a punk You're an old slut on junk Lying there almost dead on a drip in that bed You scumbag, you maggot You cheap lousy faggot Happy Christmas your arse I pray God it's our last I could have been someone Well so could anyone You took my dreams from me When I first found you I kept them with me babe I put them with my own Can't make it all alone I've built my dreams around you -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- copyright 1988 Shane MacGowan & Jem Finer LTS |
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Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York censored by Beeb! From: GUEST,Ruth at work Date: 18 Dec 07 - 09:06 AM "Isn't the word Mick used in this song as a generic description for an Irishman?" I don't think so... |
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Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York censored by Beeb! From: GUEST,sparticus Date: 18 Dec 07 - 08:44 AM I wish they would leave it off the playlist altogether, along with Slade and Roy Wood and all the rest that they pull out every year at Christmas! |
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Subject: Lyr Add: BOYS FROM THE COUNTY HELL (The Pogues) From: Shaneo Date: 18 Dec 07 - 08:36 AM If the really wanted to stir it up, they could play ''The Boys From The County Hell'', mighty song' Fairytale hasn't got a patch on this one. On the first day of March it was raining It was raining worse than anything that I have ever seen I drank ten pints of beer and I cursed all the people there And I wish that all this raining would stop falling down on me And it's lend me ten pounds, I'll buy you a drink And mother wake me early in the morning At the time I was working for a landlord And he was the meanest bastard that you have ever seen And to lose a single penny would grieve him awful sore And he was a miserable bollocks and a bitch's bastard's whore And it's lend me ten pounds, I'll buy you a drink And mother wake me early in the morning I recall we took care of him one sunday We got him out the back and we broke his fucking balls And maybe that was dreaming and maybe that was real But all I know is I left that place without a penny or fuck all And it's lend me ten pounds, I'll buy you a drink And mother wake me early in the morning But now I've the most charming of verandahs I sit and watch the junkies, the drunks, the pimps, the whores Five green bottles sitting on the floor I wish to christ, I wish to christ That I had fifteen more And it's lend me ten pounds, I'll buy you a drink And mother wake me early in the morning And it's lend me ten pounds, I'll buy you a drink And mother wake me early in the morning The boys and me are drunk and looking for you We'll eat your frigging entrails and we won't give a damn Me daddy was a blue shirt and my mother a madam And my brother earned his medals at mai lei in vietnam And it's lend me ten pounds and I'll buy you a drink And mother wake me early in the morning On the first day of march it was raining It was raining worse than anything that I have ever seen Stay on the other side of the road 'cause you can never tell We've a thirst like a gang of devils We're the boys of the county hell |
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Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York censored by Beeb! From: John MacKenzie Date: 18 Dec 07 - 08:16 AM Isn't the word Mick used in this song as a generic description for an Irishman? In my mind this is even more insulting than the word that is being blanked out. I suspect that there may be more homosexuals than Irishmen working at the BBC. With apologies to Terry Wogan [Sir] Giok |
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Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York censored by Beeb! From: theleveller Date: 18 Dec 07 - 07:28 AM Why don't they play Bottle of Smoke instead? |
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Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York censored by Beeb! From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 18 Dec 07 - 07:24 AM From a BBC website poll: Should radio stations censor The Pogues' Fairytale of New York? Yes 3.74% No 96.26% No point in getting worked up about it. I think this is pretty obviously a publicity stunt by BBC 1, to remind people it exists. |
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Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York censored by Beeb! From: Emma B Date: 18 Dec 07 - 07:14 AM The BBC Radio 1 message board must be in melt-down! Trying to access the question on the home page 'Is the BBC right to edit lyrics?' just gets a webpage unobtainable message! |
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Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York censored by Beeb! From: Liz the Squeak Date: 18 Dec 07 - 07:08 AM So, the drug references can stay (you're a bum, you're a punk, you're an old slut on junk), but the 'cheap lousy faggot' has to be blanked... says it all really. For the BBC, drugs are acceptable, being gay isn't. LTS |
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Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York censored by Beeb! From: Folkiedave Date: 18 Dec 07 - 07:04 AM Crazy decision. Dave |
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Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York censored by Beeb! From: Folk Form # 1 Date: 18 Dec 07 - 07:01 AM "They won't need to censor McGowan though, his diction says it all - not!" I've heard that McGowan is one his best generations lyric writers. After listening to the Pogues albums, I couldn't possibly say. |
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Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York censored by Beeb! From: Emma B Date: 18 Dec 07 - 06:58 AM Radio 1 attempts to be a 'youth' station; the official title for the station's anniversary celebrations, "Established 1967", doesn't even mention the actual age the station is going to be! Like PA I can't imagine that the bulk of its target audience are even familiar with the term, which is essentially a North American (or Australian?) derogatory word leading to a lot of suprised looks in the US to 'I'm going to try and find some fags' when needing a cigarette :) alternatively I'm very fond of them with onion gravy :) |
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Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York censored by Beeb! From: Mark Dowding Date: 18 Dec 07 - 06:38 AM I'm sure the word "f**k" which seems to be common place across the airwaves these days causes more offence. Cheers Mark |
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Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York censored by Beeb! From: The PA Date: 18 Dec 07 - 06:23 AM I cant imagine the usual Radio 1 audience being the slightest bit interested in this at all. The word 'fagot' is quite polite in comparison to some of the expressions I've heard. Our son is 17 and has never head of the expression. Radio 2 are continuing to play the unedited version. Another example of the world going mad I'm afraid. Schools not allowed to perform the traditional nativity play, changing the name of Christmas to Winterfest for fear of offending someone somewhere to name but two. |
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Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York censored by Beeb! From: Emma B Date: 18 Dec 07 - 06:22 AM Seems it just applies to Radio 1 - 'a station by station decision' 'But the ban does not apply across the BBC. Radio 2 said it would be playing the full version of the track.' BBC News 24 |
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Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York censored by Beeb! From: Mr Happy Date: 18 Dec 07 - 06:21 AM They won't need to censor McGowan though, his diction says it all - not! http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=NrAwK9juhhY |
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Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York censored by Beeb! From: Mr Happy Date: 18 Dec 07 - 06:14 AM http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/7149525.stm |
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Subject: Fairytale of New York censored by Beeb! From: Steve Shaw Date: 18 Dec 07 - 06:05 AM I hear that the BBC is going to bleep out the word "faggot" from the song so as not to offend the gay community. |
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