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Song Req: 'There was China Man...'

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Subject: Song Req: 'There was China Man...'
From: GUEST,Helen
Date: 26 Dec 07 - 08:27 AM

My Dad used to sing a song to my brother in about 1938, which had the opening lyric "There was a china man with pig tail spic and span ha ha ha ha he he..."
Unfortunately that's all I know of the song and would really like to find out the name of it. Any help would be appreciated, thank you.


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Subject: RE: Song Req: 'There was China Man...'
From: GUEST,Stoke-on-Trent
Date: 22 Dec 09 - 08:41 PM

My Drandad (Clifford Owen) sang me this version:

There was a man from Chinatown his name was Licka Lacka Lee Law Chan
His head was tall and his feet were small and this little man had no nose at all
Licka Lacka Lee Law Hey Indora Icky Picky Pikey OK

They rolled him in the park one day and frightened all the kids away
They rolled him here, they rolled him there, they rolled him in a bamboo chair.
Licka Lacka Lee Law Hey Indora, In-Di-Ora, Icky Picky Pikey OK

Crappy lyrics but great memories :)


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Subject: RE: Song Req: 'There was China Man...'
From: Paul Burke
Date: 23 Dec 09 - 03:22 AM

I think I asked about this song a while ago. All I know is:

There was a Chinaman
With pigtails spick and span
Ah hah ha ha ha ha
Who never would go out
When there was rain about
Ah hah ha ha ha ha
For rain, he used to say,
Washed pigtails all away
Ah hah ha ha ha ha ha ha
So indoors he would stay
On every rainy day
Ah hah ha ha ha ha

....
Just walk along the street
And him you're sure to meet
Ah hah ha ha ha ha
You're sure to find him there,
He walks without an air
Ah hah ha ha ha ha

The tune is George Formby-ish.


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Subject: RE: Song Req: 'There was China Man...'
From: GUEST,Guest
Date: 04 Jan 10 - 09:49 AM

My Great Grandma used to sing this song to me and I would dearly love to find the lyrics. She sang it something like this:

In China there lived a China man, his name was Ching-a-rie-Ching-a-rie Chan,
His legs were long and his feet were small, this ChinaMan couldn't walk at all...singing,
Ching-a-rie, ching-a-rie Chan, riddle me this and (?)...
Scallopy, wallopy chinaco

See why I need the lyrics, my memory fails me


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Subject: RE: Song Req: 'There was China Man...'
From: GUEST,guest....
Date: 17 Jan 10 - 08:31 PM

My grandfather used to sing this one to all the grandchildren back in the 70's & 80's :)

Chick a chaloo chaloo chapan wallapa wallapa China Man...
There once there was a China man, his name was Chicka chaloo chapan
His head was big and his feet were small, so the poor China man couldn't walk.
Alas the China man to die and in his coffin he did lie
They sent the coffin to Japan and that was the end of the China man.

:)


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Subject: RE: Song Req: 'There was China Man...'
From: GUEST,julianne
Date: 21 Jan 10 - 10:04 PM

This is one of the first songs I learned from my mother around 1940:

In China lived a little man
His name was Chingalanga Chingalanga Chang
His legs were short and his feet were small
And this little man couldn't walk at all

Cho:
Chingalanga Chingalanga Chingalanga Chang
Raygo Daygo Happy man
Cudo Disco Codeo
Gallopy a Wallopy a Chiney go

Miss Skyhigh was short and fat
She had money and he had none
Under her window he would sat
Playing a tune on his little tum tum

Miss Skyhigh heard his notes of love
She held the washbowl up above
She let it fall on Chingalanga Chang
And that was the end of the happy man.


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Subject: RE: Song Req: 'There was China Man...'
From: GUEST,Ash
Date: 05 Mar 10 - 05:02 PM

my grandma taught me a version of this song, though it went a little different:

in all japan there lived a man:
his name was chika-racka-chi-chai-chang.
his legs were long, his feet were small,
the poor old man couldn't walk at all,
and they were singing;
chicka-racka-chi-chai-cho-chocalorum-winnopy-nag-catgo-toogo-ittycattykittyco-eyetipietichaitipieti-chaiingco.

the servants used to carry him out
on their backs and the folks did shout:
"here he comes! there he goes! the poor old chap with the funny funny nose!"
and they were singing:
chicka-racka-chi-chai-cho-chocalorum-winnopy-nag-catgo-toogo-ittycattykittyco-eyetipietichaitipieti-chaiingco.

lol epic


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Subject: RE: Song Req: 'There was China Man...'
From: GUEST,Katie B
Date: 14 Mar 10 - 11:41 AM

Ok so my version I was thought when I was young is nothing like this....

The once was a china man called
chickaraca chickaraca chichickalora
bombilora willy willy wack
ohko ohko tiddy fi tiddy fi chinese talk
they took him on a motor car
told him not to go to far
the word was said
he fell on his head
and that was the end of the china man


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Subject: RE: Song Req: 'There was China Man...'
From: GUEST,Kimberly
Date: 23 Mar 10 - 11:31 AM

We have a family song that has been passed down it goes:

Ohhhhhhhh--

I know a man in China town and his name is Chili-o, Chili-o Chan, his legs are long and his feet are short, and this is the way the China-man talk.



Ohhhhhhhh--

Chicka-la-leach a-lietch-a-low, chicka-la-Romeo in a bananna-co, wall-la-ka wall-la-ka China Sea, in a banana-co walcho.


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Subject: RE: Song Req: 'There was China Man...'
From: GUEST
Date: 05 Apr 10 - 05:22 PM

my grandma used to sing this to me.

In China there lived a little man, his name was ching a ling ching a ling chang his head was big and his feet were small -- this little man can't walk at all

ching a ling ching aling ching a ling chang he'd go I'd go happy man. Buggle apress a bandy oar. Gullup and whallup and shine thee oar.

Mrs. Gowigger with words of love, raised the window high above, down there came a ching a ling chang -- that was the end of the China man.

ching a ling ching aling ching a ling chang he'd go I'd go happy man. Buggle apress a bandy oar. Gullup and whallup and shine thee oar.


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Subject: RE: Song Req: 'There was China Man...'
From: GUEST,Guest ..Sonja
Date: 20 Apr 10 - 12:06 AM

I was taught this song as a kid in primary school back in the 60's and we sang it like this:

There lived in China a very fine man, his name was chickeraka ching chine chang
His legs were big and his feet were small, this little man couldnt walk at all
Chickeraka ching chine chang chickerony ala ala fact and oak oak orner
itty kitty caterpillar rickaby ickaby oak oak oak


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Subject: RE: Song Req: 'There was China Man...'
From: GUEST
Date: 28 Apr 10 - 01:13 AM

My second grade teacher taught this version of the song:

Once in a China there lived an old man
Whose name was chica raka chic chac cho
He brushed his teeth with the horses tail
And combed his hair with a big shoe nail
Chica raka Chica raka Chic Chac Cho
itti pie kitty pie ee ay oh..


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Subject: RE: Song Req: 'There was China Man...'
From: GUEST
Date: 17 May 10 - 08:00 AM

Once in China there was a funny man his name was chikaraka chou chai chan his body was long his legs were short the poor little man could hardly walk, chikaraka chou chai chan chatty borra umdiddle ora alow wallow waxi oki doki hit him on the boki itchi gotchi itchi gotchi twinkle,

There are more verses to this but can't remember them and there seems to be many different versions to this??


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Subject: RE: Song Req: 'There was China Man...'
From: civilservant
Date: 17 May 10 - 04:40 PM

So what is it about Chinese people that you need to insult them with these lyrics?


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Subject: RE: Song Req: 'There was China Man...'
From: GUEST,grannylake
Date: 26 May 10 - 04:38 PM

There was a poor old China man, his name was Chinka-chaloo-chahan,
His teeth were short, his nose was long and this is the way he walked along.
Chinka-chaloo-chaloo-cha-pan, al-up-ee, al-up-ee, chinka-cha-lol-up-ee,
Chinka-chaloo-chaloo-cha-pan, al-up-ee, al-up-ee, Chinaman.

At last, this poor o;d man he died, and in his coffin he did lie,
They sent his coffin to Japan and this is the way his epitaph ran.
Chinka-chaloo-chaloo-cha-pan, al-up-ee, al-up-ee, chinka-cha-lol-up-ee,
Chinka-chaloo-chaloo-cha-pan, al-up-ee, al-up-ee, Chinaman.


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Subject: RE: Song Req: 'There was China Man...'
From: GUEST
Date: 06 Jun 10 - 05:22 PM

my dad used to sing this one to me

there was an old man from china town his name was inki pinki poo pa chan
he had long legs and a turned down nose...the poor old man with the turned up toes.
inki pinki poo-pa chan chickalo-ra bobtailo-ra paddywaddywack oko doko witamonatoko wittama dittama cheerioko


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Subject: RE: Song Req: 'There was China Man...'
From: GUEST,guest
Date: 07 Jun 10 - 07:53 AM

Our family song goes like this:

There once was a funnly little Chinese Man whose name was Chikka Lakka Lee Chor Chan.
His head was big and his feet were small but the funny little Chinese man he couldn't walk at all.

Oh - Chikka lakka lee chor chor chikkalorum indiorum paddy waddy whack. Oko boko paddy waddy whacky, ah moo!

They took him up to the top of a hill and they tossed him about with a good free will.
They tossed him here and they tossed him there and they tossed him in to a bamboo chair.

Oh - Chikka lakka lee chor chor chikkalorum indiorum paddy waddy whack. Oko boko paddy waddy whacky, ah moo!

------
My daughter is just learning it so the tradition continues!!


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Subject: RE: Song Req: 'There was China Man...'
From: GUEST,Virginia Matthews
Date: 18 Jun 10 - 03:07 PM

We have yet another version of this song, it goes like this:

once in china there lived a funny man
his name was chicarakka chin chan man
his hair was long and his feet were short
and this little man couldn't walk or talk

oh, chicarakka chicarakka laura laura bom diddy eyedi
widdy widdy whack. Oko loco hit him on the boco diddy
by diddy by Chinese talk

they marched him up to the top of the hill
then rolled him down like a beechams pill

oh, chicarakka chicarakka laura laura bom diddy eyedi
widdy widdy whack. Oko loco hit him on the boco diddy
by diddy by Chinese talk

there are more verses but sadly I can't remember them :-(


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Subject: RE: Chingaling Chan
From: GUEST,cybersosie
Date: 18 Jun 10 - 03:14 PM

My Mother's version :

In China was a happy man,
His name was Chingaling, Chingaling Chan,
His head was big and his body was small,
The poor little man couldn't walk at all.

Miss Kyo was a Chinese maid,
Of Chingaling Chan she was much afraid,
Under her window he would go,
To play a tune on his little banjo.

Miss Kyo heard his notes of love,
She raised her little shoe from above,
She let it fall on the happy man,
And that was the end of Chingaling Chan.


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Subject: RE: Song Req: 'There was China Man...'
From: GUEST,guest - Texas
Date: 04 Jul 10 - 12:07 PM

Lots of different versions of this song! My mother would sing a version of this when my brothers and I were children - 1950's. She also loved to sing Johnny Rebeck to us. These are the words she taught us:

There once was a Chinaman, who lived in old Japan,
His name was Chick-a-rie, Chick-a-rie Chan.
His feet were long, his toes were short
And this is the way the Chinaman talked,

(refrain)
"Chick a churie, che-li-che-lo, chick-a-rie romeo in a banana go
Wallago, wallago, chan-a-sea, in a banana go, wallago chow"

This Chinaman he had great wealth
He lived in a mansion all by himself
His neighbors built for him a boat
And in it they put the Chinaman afloat

(refrain)

The Chinaman he did die and in his coffin he did lie.
They sent him back to old Japan
And this is the way his epitaph ran

(refrain)


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Subject: RE: Song Req: 'There was China Man...'
From: GUEST,The Angry Scottsman
Date: 07 Jul 10 - 12:48 PM

My grandfather used to sing a version of this to me all the time. I it used to make me laugh and I loved it. I can't remember it 100% but here goes:

Once in China, there lived a great man
His name was Chickeri-Chee-Chi-Chan
His legs were long and his feet were short,
The poor old man couldn't walk or snort!

Oh, Chickeri-Chee-Chi-Chan, mungo-loro
Hock-o Poke-o, hit-em-on-the-coco!
Nucker-i Bucker-i, Chee-Chi-Chan
wack-em, pack-em, stack-em on their back-ums!

It was something like that, I know he had more rhyming non-sense after that and some more verses, but I don't remember any more, and he is no longer alive to ask.


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Subject: RE: Song Req: 'There was China Man...'
From: GUEST,Brian
Date: 17 Jul 10 - 08:56 PM

My Grandmother used to sing a version of this to us when we were young in the 70's in VA.

There once was an old China Man
His name was Chinka Chaloo Cha Lan
His Teeth were short, his hair was long
and this the way he walked along.

Chinka Chaloo Chaloo Cha Lan,
Cholopy olapy Chinka Cha Lolipy
Chinka Chaloo Chaloo Cha Lan


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Subject: RE: Song Req: 'There was China Man...'
From: GUEST
Date: 17 Aug 10 - 07:27 PM

My mom sang it like this:

There once was a man a funny little man
His name was kinko kine-a- man
His legs were tall and his feet were small
And the poor little msn couldnt walk at all
Sing ching- GA-lora, ching- GA-lora
ching- GA-lora hidey - pok- aWAY!

Why are there so many bizarre versions of this song???


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Subject: RE: Song Req: 'There was China Man...'
From: GUEST
Date: 19 Aug 10 - 01:46 PM

There once was a man, a funny little man, his name was Chingco china man
His legs were tall and his feet were small, and the poor little fellow couldn't walk at all.
Sing chingalor chingalor chingalora hidy chuckaway
Iddy oddy ocka, hit him in the poka
Iddy oddy ocka , um pa pa


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Subject: RE: Song Req: 'There was China Man...'
From: GUEST,eddie and remi.
Date: 04 Oct 10 - 09:50 PM

this ia what i was taught in the 70's in melb primary school.

there lived in china a very old man
and his name was chicker racker ching chong chang
his legs where long and his feet were short
that poor little man couldn't walk at all

chicker racker ching chong, chi chicker roany
ala bala fat man, oak co coney
ichty kitchy catapillar
ica bok, ica bok
oak co coney.


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Subject: tRE: Song Req: 'There was China Man...'
From: GUEST,Samantha
Date: 03 Nov 10 - 03:58 PM

My nanny sang to me:

Once there was a chinaman


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Subject: RE: Song Req: 'There was China Man...'
From: GUEST,Stephen
Date: 04 Nov 10 - 02:59 AM

What a racist thread!


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Subject: RE: Song Req: 'There was China Man...'
From: Joe Offer
Date: 04 Nov 10 - 03:12 AM

Hi, Stephen-
Well, the song is certainly racist. Whether the thread is racist or not, is another matter. Whatever the case, racist or not, the song in question is certainly a real folk song and a very good example of the folk process, how a song may take many different paths and develop many different versions.
But you're right...I cringe every time this thread comes up on the Forum Menu.

-Joe-


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Subject: RE: Song Req: 'There was China Man...'
From: GUEST,Stephen
Date: 04 Nov 10 - 12:54 PM

Hi Joe

Thanks for your constructive answer. I agree that Mudcat is not racist and sometimes very progressive. However a lot of people happen upon this site and a thread like this doesnt give a good first impression when they look at Mudcat.

My own personal view of such playground songs is that they can lead to bullying and worse.


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Subject: RE: Song Req: 'There was China Man...'
From: GUEST,Jonathan
Date: 07 Dec 10 - 02:35 PM

My Grandmother used to sing this to my sister and me back in 1970s

There was a wee man from china town
And his name was Chickalicka Brown
His head was big and his feet were small
So the poor wee man couldn't walk at all.

Chickalicka Chickalicka chi chickalorum
Chi chickalorum itchy kitchy coo
Oko moko setim ona poko
Itchy koo itchy koo ee eye o

They took him up to the top of a hill
And rolled him down on a beechams pill
The beechams pill was far too small
So they rolled him down on a tennis ball


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Subject: RE: Song Req: 'There was China Man...'
From: GUEST,Linda
Date: 17 Jan 11 - 11:35 PM

There was a man in Chinatown
His name was Icka Chicka Chai Cho Cahn
His legs were long and his feet were small
The poor old man couldn't walk at all.

Icka Chicka Chai Cho Chuck Chicalora
Bobtail Dora paddy whack whack
Hit him on the po po
Hit him hard, hit him hard
There he goes,there he goes down the street.


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Subject: RE: Song Req: 'There was China Man...'
From: GUEST,guest
Date: 03 Feb 11 - 02:35 PM

Wild; who knew how this song has passed around the globe? I've always been a bit embarrassed by it, but like many my grandfather used to sing this to us.

The version I remember goes,

Once there was a Chinaman,
His name was Chicka-chaloo-cha-pan,
His nose was short and his teeth were long,
And this was the way he walked along,

Chicka-cha-loo, cha-loo, cha pan!
Hobbity-hobbity Chinaman.

Then this poor old man he died,
And in his coffin he did lie.
They shipped his coffin to Japan,
And that was the end of the Chinaman!

Chicka-cha-loo, cha-loo, cha pan!
Hobbity-hobbity Chinaman.


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Subject: RE: Song Req: 'There was China Man...'
From: GUEST,ED
Date: 18 Feb 11 - 12:09 AM

is there any way to find the origin of this song because several of you have heard near identical versions to the song i heard


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Subject: RE: Song Req: 'There was China Man...'
From: GUEST,Mtm
Date: 10 Mar 11 - 08:54 PM

I would really love to know the origin of this song too. Again, to me it was a silly weird song my mother used to sing back in the 60's and 70's when my sister and I were very young. Our version very similar.

In China once there lived a man,
His name was Chik-a-lee Chik-a-lee Chan
His feet were long and his toes were short,
And this is the way the Chinaman talked...

Ohhhhhh....
Chik - a - lee lee Chi Lie Chi Low,
Chik - a - la Romeo ena banana,
Koa - la, Koa - la Ka Chant A Geese
Enabanana go ouch e-owww.

The Chinaman, he had plenty of wealth,
He lived in a mansion all by himself,
His neighbors next door, they bought him a boat,
And sent the poor Chinaman afloat.

Ohhhhhh....
Chik - a - lee lee Chi Lie Chi Low,
Chik - a - la Romeo ena banana,
Koa - la, Koa - la Ka Chant A Geese
Enabanana go ouch e-owww.

The Chinaman, oh he did die,
And in his coffin he did lie,
They sent his body to Japan,
And that was the end of the Chinaman!

Ohhhhhh....
Chik - a - lee lee Chi Lie Chi Low,
Chik - a - la Romeo ena banana,
Koa - la, Koa - la Ka Chant A Geese
Enabanana go ouch e-owww.


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Subject: RE: Song Req: 'There was China Man...'
From: GUEST,john tudor
Date: 29 Mar 11 - 09:28 PM

dad sang us this song handed down to his family from the ballarat goldfields

there once was a jolly little chinaman
with a nid nod nid nod nid
youve never seen such a little chinaman
with a nid nod nid nod nid,

down to the woodshed he went one day ,went one day,went one day
to gather little sticks together so , so
just to gather little sticks together so
and his dear little wife she would say oh!
with a nid nod nid nid nod nid nod nid nod nid nid nod nid nid

ha! ha! a diddly ha!ha! ha! with a nid nod nid nod nid


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Subject: RE: Song Req: 'There was China Man...'
From: GUEST
Date: 05 May 11 - 01:12 PM

I had it as

Once in China I met a funny man
his name was Chicaracka Chu Chi Chan
His arms were long - his legs were short
the poor old man could hardly walk
Chicaracka Chu Chi Chai Chickanora punchinorra ala wala winkle
Chicaracka Chu Chi Chai Chickanora punchinorra ala wala winkle

This old man he went to sea to see the sights of the Kangaree
The ship got lost and so you see
The poor old man got drownded
Chicaracka Chu Chi Chai Chickanora punchinorra ala wala winkle
Chicaracka Chu Chi Chai Chickanora punchinorra ala wala winkle


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Subject: RE: Song Req: 'There was China Man...'
From: GUEST,Lau Lau
Date: 30 Aug 11 - 11:22 AM

My grandad taught me this song, I am reading it at his funeral next week. I remember telling this poem to a pair of chinese exchange students asking them to translate it as I really thought it was in the chinese language! (well i was only 11) :0)

There once was a China Man, His Name was Chicka Lacka Lee Chaw Chan, his head was big and his feet were small and this little china man, he couldnt walk at all....

ohhhhhhhh.....Chicka Lacka Lee Chaw,
Chaw Chicka-lorum,
Ind-eye oram,
Parra parra why
oko poko
parra parra why-ki
Armoo!


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Subject: RE: Song Req: 'There was China Man...'
From: GUEST
Date: 23 Sep 11 - 09:35 PM

here's how i heard it in the 50's at camp
china man had a wife led him such an awful life
cut his pigtails off so long sold them for a chinese song
chikerack a chee chy cho chickalarro bungo lorro piggy wiggy wago
hoco poco hit em on the coco chitterbee chitterby chee chi cho


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Subject: RE: Song Req: 'There was China Man...'
From: GUEST,People!!!!!! My Mimi sang this to me, you ha
Date: 25 Sep 11 - 09:17 PM

In China there lived a wee little man
His name was Ching Ling Chin Ling Ching Lin Chan
His eyes were big and his feet were small
This little man couldn't talk at all

Chorus;

Ching Ling Chin Ling Ching Chan
He go I go happy man
He go singo banjo
Gallopy wallopy China man

Mrs. Goligh was short and stout
She had money and he had none
So under her window he would go
To play her a tune on his old banjo

Ching Ling Chin Ling Ching Chan
He go I go happy man
He go singo banjo
Gallopy wallopy China man

Mrs. Goligh


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Subject: RE: Song Req: 'There was China Man...'
From: GUEST,Bev McBride
Date: 07 Nov 11 - 11:42 AM

We had a version of this song which has passed through the generations...we wanted to research tongue twisters for a project that my son is doing and I am amazed at all the versions I have found on this site.

In China there lived a Chinaman, his name was chickaracka-chee-chan-chan.
His feet were long and his legs were small and the poor little man couldn't walk at all.
So they took him up to the top of a hill
And they rolled him down like a rolling pin.
With a....
Chicka-racka-chee-chan-chor-chickalorum, pongo-lorum,many-pee-cat,
Cat go to go etty-ketty-catty-go, aye Japan Chinaman, chinese coo.

Would love to know the origins of this if anyone has a clue!!


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Subject: RE: Song Req: 'There was China Man...'
From: GUEST,Anne - Bournemouth, UK
Date: 26 Nov 11 - 05:57 PM

My Grandma used to sing this to me in the 1950's - I wish I knew its origin. She also used to sing Chin Chin Chinaman Muchee Muchee Sad!

Chickaraka Ching Chang
Chai chaka lora
Onko Pora, Icki Picki ay
Oko Choko
Itti itti arti ko
Ittipa Ittipa
Ee ang koo


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Subject: RE: Song Req: 'There was China Man...'
From: GUEST,ginner18
Date: 13 Dec 11 - 09:13 PM

From what I remember my mom used to sing to me when I was 4 or 5.(I'm 70 now)
    In China there lived a little man, his name was Chingling, chingling Chan.
    His legs were short, his feet were small, this little man couldn't walk at all.
    Miska Hi was short and fat, she had money & he had none, under her window he would go and play a tune on his little banjo.
    Miska Hi with notes of love, held her washboard high above, let it fall on Chingling Chan and that was the last of the China man.


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Subject: RE: Song Req: 'There was China Man...'
From: GUEST,Patsy
Date: 02 Jan 12 - 11:55 PM

ok Ginner, the chorus Mom sang was something like this:
    Ching-a-ling, ching-a-ling, ching-a-ling chan,
    Ride-o deigo- happy man, He rode disco cordeo, galloping, walloping chineo.....
   so it would be interesting to know where on earth this song originated.....


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Subject: RE: Song Req: 'There was China Man...'
From: GUEST,999
Date: 03 Jan 12 - 12:03 AM

May I suggest it didn't originate in China?


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Subject: RE: Song Req: 'There was China Man...'
From: GUEST,Reply to guest 999
Date: 03 Jan 12 - 12:59 AM

Very funny....only to you maybe


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Subject: RE: Song Req: 'There was China Man...'
From: GUEST,Me
Date: 03 Jan 12 - 01:04 AM

This song has nothing to china (in general)...it was just a song our mom sang to us.If you have a problem with that,take it to a higher court.


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Subject: RE: Song Req: 'There was China Man...'
From: GUEST,999
Date: 03 Jan 12 - 01:44 AM

You see nothing wrong with racism. I'm sure it's a hit with your Chinese friends. I get it. Now, kindly get stuffed.


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Subject: RE: Song Req: 'There was China Man...'
From: Joe Offer
Date: 03 Jan 12 - 02:27 AM

Well, we do wonder why these "Chinaman" songs come up so frequently, and why people seem to think they're cute. They're also very bigoted songs, a product of another age that has gone by.

-Joe-


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Subject: RE: Song Req: 'There was China Man...'
From: MorwenEdhelwen1
Date: 03 Jan 12 - 02:51 AM

Can this thread just drop off? I'm offended every time it comes up.


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Subject: RE: Song Req: 'There was China Man...'
From: GUEST,Ginner
Date: 03 Jan 12 - 09:08 PM

If this thread offends you...why do you click on it? It doesn't just..come up. This was just a little song my mom used to sing to us kids. Was curious when & why it originated. There was no bigotry or racist comments in it...click on something else or get a life.


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Subject: RE: Song Req: 'There was China Man...'
From: MorwenEdhelwen1
Date: 03 Jan 12 - 10:24 PM

There is racism in the song. It's as racist as someone calling me "chink".


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Subject: RE: Song Req: 'There was China Man...'
From: Joe Offer
Date: 03 Jan 12 - 10:37 PM

Ginner, the song stereotypes and ridicules an ethnic group - that fits the classic definition of bigotry to a "t," even though you and your mother think it cute.

We don't suppress songs like this because they have historic and folkloric value - but that doesn't mean we can't complain about them. Songs like this aren't cute - they're nasty, obscene, and bigoted.

-Joe Offer, Mudcat Archivist-


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Subject: RE: Song Req: 'There was China Man...'
From: GUEST,999
Date: 03 Jan 12 - 11:46 PM

I agree with Joe. Calling a sheep a dog will not make it bark. It IS important that we recall the things that in the past have made us what we are now.

My wing chun master is Caucasian. His was Chinese. When Chinese are insulted because of being Chinese, I get upset. When they are insulted because of being a$$holes, they deserve it.

Morwen, about the story . . .


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Subject: RE: Song Req: 'There was China Man...'
From: GUEST,Ginner
Date: 04 Jan 12 - 02:44 AM

Joe, I had no intention of offending the chinese or anyone else. I was just curious of where the story or song came from.It was just a little song I remembered from the past.No insults intended.


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Subject: ADD: In China there lived a little man
From: Joe Offer
Date: 04 Jan 12 - 03:03 AM

Although it's a song that comes from a history of ethnic bigotry, it's still worthwhile to study the song and its versions. Such songs are often true examples of the "folk process" because they aren't the kind of songs publishers would publish.
This song became a pop song called "Chickery Chick" in the 1940s, with lyrics that had nothing to do with anybody of any ethnic descent.

Here's an article about the song from Time Magazine, December 3, 1945:
    In the '70s, collegians at Amherst set the l00-year-old jingle to music and sang it over pots of ale, when they wanted to prove that they could walk a musical straight line. One of the many versions ran like this:
      In China there lived a little man
      His name was Chingery-ri-chan-chan,
      His feet were large and his head was small,
      And this little man had no brains at all.
      Chingery-rico-rico-day ekel tekel Hap py man.
      Kuan-a-desco cartty-o gallopy-wallopy-china-go.
    Last week this old tongue twister, with new and even less intelligible lyrics, was the fast-climbing No. 2 seller in Billboard magazine's poll of record sales. It was well on its way to join Mairzy Boats and the Hut Sut Song in the jabberwocky Valhalla of the jukebox. Twenty-nine-year-old Arkansas-born Jo Proffitt had changed the Chinaman into a chick, and called it Chickery Chick. She sent the lyrics to Tin Pan Alleysmith Sidney Lippman, who added some new notes. Now it describes a chicken who got bored with saying "chick chick" all day, astounds his companions with some jived-up poultry poetry:
      Chickery-chick cha-la cha-la, Check-a-la-romey in a ba-nan-i-ka... .
    Tin Pan Alley actuarians estimate that the U.S. will need about three months to get over it.


    Read more: http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,852511,00.html#ixzz1iTSQUYHv


There's another version here: http://www.unp.me/f153/chingery-wangery-chan-108043/
    "In China there lived a little man,
    His name was Chingery Wangery Chan."

    "His legs were short, his feet were small,
    And this little man could not walk at all."

    "Chingery changery ri co day,
    Ekel tekel happy man;
    Uron odesko canty oh, oh,
    Gallopy wallopy China go."


    "Miss Ki Hi was short and squat,
    She had money and he had not
    So off to her he resolved to go,
    And play her a tune on his little banjo."


    "Whang fun li,
    Tang hua ki,
    Hong Kong do ra me!
    Ah sin lo,
    Pan to fo,
    Tsing up chin leute!"

    "Miss Ki Hi heard his notes of love,
    And held her wash-bowl up above
    It fell upon the little man,
    And this was the end of Chingery Chan,"


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Subject: RE: Song Req: 'There was China Man...'
From: Joe Offer
Date: 04 Jan 12 - 03:12 AM

I found it interesting that the song was quoted in the works of Louisa May Alcott (or here):

    UNDER THE LILACS.


    By Louisa M. Alcott.

    CHAPTER XXI.

    CUPID'S LAST APPEARANCE.

    A picnic supper on the grass followed the games, and then, as twilight began to fall, the young people were marshaled to the coach-house, now transformed into a rustic theater. One big door was open, and seats, arranged lengthwise, faced the red table-cloths which formed the curtain. A row of lamps made very good foot-lights, and an invisible band performed a Wagner-like overture on combs, tin trumpets, drums, and pipes, with an accompaniment of suppressed laughter.

    Many of the children had never seen anything like it, and sat staring about them in mute admiration and expectancy; but the older ones criticised freely, and indulged in wild speculations as to the meaning of various convulsions of nature going on behind the curtain.

    While Teacher was dressing the actresses for the tragedy, Miss Celia and Thorny, who were old hands at this sort of amusement, gave a "Potato" pantomime as a side show.

    Across an empty stall a green cloth was fastened, so high that the heads of the operators were not seen. A little curtain flew up, disclosing the front of a Chinese pagoda painted on pasteboard, with a door and window which opened quite naturally. This stood on one side, several green trees with paper lanterns hanging from the boughs were on the other side, and the words "Tea Garden," printed over the top, showed the nature of this charming spot.

    Few of the children had ever seen the immortal Punch and Judy, so this was a most agreeable novelty, and before they could make out what it meant, a voice began to sing, so distinctly that every word was heard:

      "In China there lived a little man,
      His name was Chingery Wangery Chan."

    Here the hero "took the stage" with great dignity, clad in a loose yellow jacket over a blue skirt, which concealed the hand that made his body. A pointed hat adorned his head, and on removing this to bow he disclosed a bald pate with a black queue in the middle, and a Chinese face nicely painted on the potato, the lower part of which was hollowed out to fit Thorny's first finger, while his thumb and second finger were in the sleeves of the yellow jacket, making a lively pair of arms. While he saluted, the song went on:

      "His legs were short, his feet were small,
      And this little man could not walk at all."

    Which assertion was proved to be false by the agility with which the "little man" danced a jig in time to the rollicking chorus:

      "Chingery changery ri co day,
      Ekel tekel happy man;
      Uron odesko canty oh, oh,
      Gallopy wallopy China go."

    At the close of the dance and chorus, Chan retired into the tea garden, and drank so many cups of the national beverage, with such comic gestures, that the spectators were almost sorry when the opening of the opposite window drew all eyes in that direction. At the lattice appeared a lovely being; for this potato had been pared, and on the white surface were painted pretty pink cheeks, red lips, black eyes, and oblique brows; through the tuft of dark silk on the head were stuck several glittering pins, and a pink jacket shrouded the plump figure of this capital little Chinese lady. After peeping coyly out, so that all could see and admire, she fell to counting the money from a purse, so large her small hands could hardly hold it on the window seat. While she did this, the song went on to explain:

      "Miss Ki Hi was short and squat,
      She had money and he had not;
      So off to her he resolved to go,
      And play her a tune on his little banjo."

    During the chorus to this verse Chan was seen tuning his instrument in the garden, and at the end sallied gallantly forth to sing the following tender strain:

      "Whang fun li,
      Tang hua ki,
      Hong Kong do ra me!
      Ah sin lo,
      Pan to fo,
      Tsing up chin leute!"

    Carried away by his passion, Chan dropped his banjo, fell upon his knees, and, clasping his hands, bowed his forehead in the dust before his idol. But, alas!—

      "Miss Ki Hi heard his notes of love,
      And held her wash-bowl up above;
      It fell upon the little man,
      And this was the end of Chingery Chan."
Alcott or not, the song is still a good example of the racial bigotry that was so prevalent in the United States to the 1960s and beyond.


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Subject: RE: Song Req: 'There was China Man...'
From: GUEST,Ginner
Date: 04 Jan 12 - 03:41 AM

Case closed.............


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Subject: RE: Song Req: 'There was China Man...'
From: GUEST
Date: 14 Jan 12 - 10:31 AM

In China, once, there lived a man
Whose name was Higo Chigery Chan
Lorna Macoggie Duskio
Willaby Wollaby Chinio.

One day the Chinaman did die
and in his coffin he did lie
They carried him back to old Japan
And that was the end of the China man.

Higo Chigo Chigery Chan
Higo Chigo China man,
Lorna Macoggie Duskio
Willaby Wollaby Chinio!

My mother learned this at a church camp in the 1930's. We have been singing it all of my life, and have passed it, and others down to children and grandchildren. Very fun!!


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Subject: RE: Song Req: 'There was China Man...'
From: GUEST
Date: 16 Feb 12 - 07:36 PM

It never occurred to me that it was bad. I just thought it was full of nonsense words and the rythem was catchy. My version is COMPLETELY different from all that I have read here. My grandmother who was born in 1918 sang this to me when i was little.

In china once there lived a man.
His name was Chickala Chickala Chan.
His fingers were long and his toes were short.
And this is the way the poor china men talk.

Oh, chickala lee cha lie cha low.
Chikeree romee a win a pah naa tika
Wall ika Wall ika chat ti kee.
Inna pah natika ouch ee oh.


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Subject: RE: Song Req: 'There was China Man...'
From: GUEST
Date: 24 Mar 12 - 08:53 PM

Wow, I had no idea there were so many versions! Here's how it was sung to us as kids:

There was a Chinaman; lived in Japan
His name was Chickala Chickala Chan
His legs were long and his knees were knocked
And this is the way the Chinaman talked
A chickala chee chileye chilo
A chickala Romeo and a banana go
Walaka walaka chance to see
In a banana go alchio

The Chinaman he did up and die
and in his coffin he did lie
They sent him back to old Japan
and this is the way his epitaph ran
(Refrain)


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Subject: RE: Song Req: 'There was China Man...'
From: GUEST
Date: 29 Apr 12 - 09:24 PM

In China there lived a little man,
His name was Ching-a-lee, Ching-a-lee Chan,
His head was big and his feet were small
So that little man didn't walk at all

Oh, Cing-a-lee Ching-a-lee, Cing-a-lee Chan,
He go Hi go (could have been "I go," kids mis-hear) Happy Man
Cube-a-lo brisco ban-gio.
Gallopy Wallopy Chin-ee-oh

Mrs. GoHighGo, big and fat
She had money but he did not
So out the window he did go
To play a tune on his ban-gio

Chorus:

Now, Mrs. GoHighGo, with words of love
She raised the window high above
And slammed it down on Ching-a-lee Chan
And that was the end of the Chinaman.

Chorus:

I was fascinated by the different versions. To us kids (and I think most kids) it was nonsense verses with a fun tune.

There are songs about all races floating around. I'll be happy when everyone is some shade of brown and we can all get over it.

This thread is about researching a song. If you are offended, it is because you chose to be offended. Everyone is in charge of their own feelings. Let the information keep coming.


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Subject: RE: Song Req: 'There was China Man...'
From: GUEST,A Great Grandson
Date: 05 May 12 - 11:15 AM

(Choirs)
Ching-ling Ching-ling Ching-ling Chan, ride all day, go happy man,
You go Crico Cardio, galloping walloping, Chiney Oh,

In China lived a little man,
His name was Ching-ling Ching-ling Chan,
His head was big, and his feet were small,
And that little man couldn’t walk at all.

(Choirs)
Ching-ling Ching-ling Ching-ling Chan, ride all day, go happy man,
You go Crico Cardio, galloping walloping, Chinie Oh,

Miss Sky-high was short and fat.
She had money and he had none.
And under her window he would go,
And play her a tune on his little banjo.

(Choirs)
Ching-ling Ching-ling Ching-ling Chan, ride all day, go happy man,
You go Crico Cardio, galloping walloping, Chinie Oh,

Miss Sky-high with words of love,
Held her wash bowl up above.
She let it fall on Ching-ling chan,
And that was the end of the china man.

(choirs)
Ching-ling Ching-ling Ching-ling Chan, ride all day, go happy man,
You go Crico Cardio, galloping walloping, Chinie Oh,

In remembrance of Grandma Figley


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Subject: RE: Song Req: 'There was China Man...'
From: GUEST,A Great Grandson
Date: 05 May 12 - 11:20 AM

(Choirs)
Ching-ling Ching-ling Ching-ling Chan, ride all day, go happy man,
You go Crico Cardio, galloping walloping, Chiney Oh,

In China lived a little man,
His name was Ching-ling Ching-ling Chan,
His head was big, and his feet were small,
And that little man couldn't walk at all.

(Choirs)
Ching-ling Ching-ling Ching-ling Chan, ride all day, go happy man,
You go Crico Cardio, galloping walloping, Chinie Oh,

Miss Sky-high was short and fat.
She had money and he had none.
And under her window he would go,
And play her a tune on his little banjo.

(Choirs)
Ching-ling Ching-ling Ching-ling Chan, ride all day, go happy man,
You go Crico Cardio, galloping walloping, Chinie Oh,

Miss Sky-high with words of love,
Held her wash bowl up above.
She let it fall on Ching-ling chan,
And that was the end of the china man.

(choirs)
Ching-ling Ching-ling Ching-ling Chan, ride all day, go happy man,
You go Crico Cardio, galloping walloping, Chinie Oh,

In remembrance of Grandma Figley


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Subject: RE: Song Req: 'There was China Man...'
From: GUEST,A Great Grandson
Date: 05 May 12 - 11:27 AM

I couldn't remember if it was

And under her window
or
So under her window

So I went with what my mom said to keep it closer to the source. This is the song as was passed down in my Grandma as a child.


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Subject: RE: Song Req: 'There was China Man...'
From: GUEST,A Great Grandson
Date: 08 May 12 - 12:08 AM

(Choirs)
Ching-ling Ching-ling Ching-ling Chan, ride all day, go happy man,
You go Crico Cardio, galloping walloping, Chiney Oh,

In China lived a little man,
His name was Ching-ling Ching-ling Chan,
His head was big, and his feet were small,
And that little man couldn’t walk at all.

(Choirs)
Ching-ling Ching-ling Ching-ling Chan, ride all day, go happy man,
You go Crico Cardio, galloping walloping, Chiney Oh,

Miss Sky-high was short and fat.
She had money and he had none.
And under her window he would go,
And play her a tune on his little banjo.

(Choirs)
Ching-ling Ching-ling Ching-ling Chan, ride all day, go happy man,
You go Crico Cardio, galloping walloping, Chiney Oh,

Miss Sky-high with words of love,
Held her wash bowl up above.
She let it fall on Ching-ling chan,
And that was the end of the china man.

(choirs)
Ching-ling Ching-ling Ching-ling Chan, ride all day, go happy man,
You go Crico Cardio, galloping walloping, Chiney Oh,

In remembrance of Grandma Figley

P.S.
This version of the song goes back at least four generations in my family. My Great Grandpa worked in the coal minds. I have Irish and Chinese blood. Talk about a double whammy. This Song was not passed down in my family to be derogatory. I think it would be sad if we ever take political correctness to the point where we are afraid to laugh at ourselves. As long as you are fair about it, humor can just as easily unite us. I have never listened to this song, and thought, hay man, that’s me. Even as a Child I didn’t make that leap. I know I tease with my friends all the time, but the intent is never mean. This is just a nostalgic and historic breakdown of a song. This is not a political statement. I am an American, but I’m not going to take Yankee Doodle out of context.


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Subject: RE: Song Req: 'There was China Man...'
From: GUEST,Grandma's Girl
Date: 16 May 12 - 11:10 AM

This is how my Grandma used to sing it to me...

There lived in China a very fine man
His name was chee karaka cheek you can
his legs were fat and his feet were small
The chinese man he couldn't walk at all.
Chee karaka, chee karaka, cheek you can
Cupa laura, cupa laura was a very fine man.
Banga, hoola, izzy kizzy kizzy was a chinese moon.

She was a lovely kind and gentle person and no racist comment was every intended. It was a fun tongue twister - plain and simple.


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Subject: RE: Song Req: 'There was China Man...'
From: GUEST,Jeb
Date: 19 Jun 12 - 01:12 PM

Wow!

I've been looking for lyrics to this song for a number of years. I never knew there were so many versions or that it went back so far, but I guess that is common. I believe my mom and her sister learned this song in camp back in the 30's/40's. My mom used to sing this "silly song" to me when I was a kid (60's/70's) and I loved it. Of course, we didn't worry about political correctness back then. I've never been successful in finding any reference on the internet - probably because of the differences in the version that they sang: the refrain of which went something like:

Chicka-la-chee cha-lie cha-lo
Chicka-la romeo anna bananaga
Wallaga wallaga China Sea
Anna bananaga wallaga chow.

Sadly my mom passed away recently, but I'll have to see if my aunt can still recall or rederive the lyrics that they learned. I think my mom was hesitant to sing this song to me in recent years because my own daughters are Chinese and she didn't want to give the wrong impression.

Ironically, it wasn't until my own daughter learned the song "Chickery Chick" in music class this year and came home singing it that I was able to make the connection. I'd never heard of that song, but it was apparently a pop hit in the 40's. I'll be sure and post "our" version of the song if my (now 85 year old) aunt can remember it.


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Subject: RE: Song Req: 'There was China Man...'
From: GUEST,Guest.David
Date: 12 Sep 12 - 10:59 AM

I too first learned this song from my grandmother in the
early '60s.

There was no harm intended by my grandmother although the song is clearly racist in nature in retrospect.

I believe it is important to record and discuss these folk songs in spite of being "politically incorrect" simply because they are
historical artifacts.

Those who are not interested do not have to participate. Trying to shut down the thread because the subject is racist is like burning books. Hopefully we've gone beyond that.

Thank you for this forum - Keep up the good work.


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Subject: RE: Song Req: 'There was China Man...'
From: GUEST,EdRob
Date: 11 Oct 12 - 11:27 PM

I remember the following:

Once there was a Chinaman
His name was Chika Chika Chan
His body was long his legs were thin
Huliga Muliga Chinaman.

Chinaman he did die.
In a coffin he did lie
Took his body to Japan
To buy some tea for the Chinaman.
Hickory choo, choo July,
Hockery Rooney
In a pialli pialli padu
It doesn't agree
Huliga Muliga Chinaman.


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Subject: RE: Song Req: 'There was China Man...'
From: GUEST
Date: 28 Nov 12 - 04:12 PM


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Subject: RE: Song Req: 'There was China Man...'
From: Steve Gardham
Date: 28 Nov 12 - 04:34 PM

There must be another long thread on this song as I remember posting references to the original mid-19th century piece 'The Chinaman with the Monkey Nose'.

Yes it is/was racist but I don't see anyone here advocating we should sing it nowadays. It was sung to us by our parents/grandparents 2 generations ago and earlier in an era that saw little wrong in poking fun at other races. However it was a period when most races actively sought to kill each other. Humour/poking fun helped to dispel the genuine fears we all had of foreigners. The world thankfully is a much smaller place today although we still actively seek to murder foreigners and there are still too many people around who think that one race is somehow superior to another.


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Subject: RE: Song Req: 'There was China Man...'
From: GUEST,l. gander
Date: 27 Dec 12 - 06:57 PM

once in china their lived a funny man
he lived at the bottom of an old tin can.
he had a pair of slippers and he   changed them into kippers and he had them for his breakfast in the morning.
okey pokey hit him on the okey, okey pokey chuckle
once in china there lived a funny man his hair was long and his feet were short
poor old man could hardly walk, chicka lucka choosa bonsey lara mala mala wack, okey pokey hit him on the oakey, okey pokey chuckle


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Subject: RE: Song Req: 'There was China Man...'
From: GUEST
Date: 03 May 13 - 07:45 PM

This is one of the songs, as a child, we used to sing while jumping rope. My mother had zero tolerance for racism of any kind and if I am not mistaken, she taught this song to my siblings and me. It made me sad because the Chinaman died.

Once in China there was a man, His name was Chickaracka Chinaman His feet were small and he wasn't very tall And hardly any English did he speak at all Chik-raka, Chika-raka von Chik-a-nor-a Von-chik-a-nor-a, Itty-bitty back Ho-co-po-co-itty-bitty-o-ko Git-along-git-along, Chinaman Went for a ride in his motor car Told his chauffeur not to go very far, Came to a cliff and now it's said, That this Chinaman is dead


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Subject: RE: Song Req: 'There was China Man...'
From: GUEST,Futwick
Date: 03 May 13 - 10:49 PM

I learned like this:

There is a folk forum on the internet
Who sing stupid racist crap without breaking a sweat
Their mouths are big but their brains are small
They just didn't get it--no not at all

No need to get offended, don't get mad
If the songs we like insult your mom and dad
We just think they're cute, it's not about you
We were raised that way, we don't have a clue

Please help me find the lyrics of this song
That calls Chinese people names like Chung-Ching-Chong
If "nigger" and "chink" songs are your cup of tea
Then Mudcat is the place to be

My parents weren't racist they just liked to sing
songs about ching chong ching chong ching
They make me feel good, they make me feel calm
They remind me of my dear ol' mom

So please please PLEASE help me find the lyrics of this song
That calls Chinese people names like Chung-Ching-Chong
If "nigger" and "chink" songs are your cup of tea
Then Mudcat is the place to be


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Subject: RE: Song Req: 'There was China Man...'
From: Joe Offer
Date: 03 May 13 - 11:12 PM

Sounds like Futwick is having a bad day, as evidenced by his/her posts here and in other threads.

Please note that very few registered Mudcatters have posted to this thread. I did post a few versions above from printed sources, but I would not sing this song to an audience unless I were doing a seminar on racist songs. Note what I posted above:
    We don't suppress songs like this because they have historic and folkloric value - but that doesn't mean we can't complain about them. Songs like this aren't cute - they're nasty, obscene, and bigoted.


-Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: Song Req: 'There was China Man...'
From: GUEST,Guest
Date: 06 Jun 13 - 12:43 AM

My version of the song came from a teacher who used it to point out alliteration and rhythm. This was in the 1950's.

Chickie Chaloo,

Once there was a Chinaman, whose name was Chickie Chaloo Chapan.
His teeth was short, his hair was long,
And this is the way he marched along.

Chickie Chaloo,Chaloo Chapan, Cholopy olopy, Chickie Cholopy.
Chickie Chaloo, Chaloo, Chapan,Cholopy olopy Chinaman.

At last the poor old man did die,and in his coffin he did lie.
They took him back to old Japan, and this was the end of the Chinaman.


Chickie Chaloo,Chaloo Chapan, Cholopy olopy, Chickie Cholopy.
Chickie Chaloo, Chaloo, Chapan,Cholopy olopy Chinaman.


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Subject: RE: Song Req: 'There was China Man...'
From: GUEST,Me
Date: 28 Jun 13 - 05:59 AM

This is how my Granny taught it to us, and we used to have hours of fun trying to learn it. It was passed down to her from her Mother.

Chicker Acker Chi Chai, Cho Chickalorum, Bangerlorum, lived a great man, Cardee Coodoo, Eye said the Kittypie, Eddy pie Eddy pie, Chinee man


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Subject: RE: Song Req: 'There was China Man...'
From: GUEST,CHing-a Lin- Chan
Date: 26 Aug 13 - 06:24 PM

My grandmother sang
In chinatown there lived a little man
his name was CHing-a Lin-CHing-a Lin- Chan
His legs were short and his feet were small
This little man could hardly walk at all

CHing-a Lin- CHing-a Lin-CHing-a Lin- Chan
Hi-O Hio_ ragedy man
Two-O Dicso Cordeo
A gallopin a wallopin a Chineo

Mrs. Skyway up above, she had money
Hey had love
To her window he would go
A playin a tune on his little banjo

CHing-a Lin- CHing-a Lin-CHing-a Lin- Chan
Hi-O Hio_ ragedy man
Two-O Dicso Cordeo
A gallopin a wallopin a Chineo

Mrs. Highway/Skyway up above
raised her washboard high above
let it fall on Ching-a-lin-Chan
That was the end of the Chinaman

CHing-a Lin- CHing-a Lin-CHing-a Lin- Chan
Hi-O Hio_ ragedy man
Two-O Dicso Cordeo
A gallopin a wallopin a Chineo


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Subject: RE: Song Req: 'There was China Man...'
From: Dave Hunt
Date: 26 Aug 13 - 09:41 PM

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Subject: RE: Song Req: 'There was China Man...'
From: GUEST,Coral
Date: 06 Sep 13 - 01:01 PM

I remember my mum teaching me this when i was about 6 or 7 and got told off at school for singing it and being racist lol,
there was a man from china town, his name was mister chickalacka-brown,
his head was big, his feet where small, poor wee man couldn't walk at all, chicka lacker chicka lacker, chi chicker laura, chi chicker laura, walla walla wack, oko woko stick him in the stokeo, ichugo ichugo, EIO,
took him far across the sea, too see the land of family, the ship got wreck and so did her, and that was the end of the poor chinese,
chicka lacker chicka lacker, chi chicker laura, chi chicker laura, walla walla wack, oko woko stick him in the stokeo, ichugo ichugo, EIO.


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Subject: RE: Song Req: 'There was China Man...'
From: GUEST
Date: 20 Dec 13 - 05:21 AM

The only words I can remember my Mother singing to me are:-

Chicker Chacker chicker chacker chee chum chorum

Can't remember any more words or if the ones I do remember are correct.

I see some similar threads and was wondering if they are regional?

My words were learned in the Isle of Man.


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Subject: RE: Song Req: 'There was China Man...'
From: GUEST,sillybones59
Date: 29 Mar 14 - 01:08 PM

first of all it helps to spell it right-i thought it was ching chalou thats what i was taught back in the day-then came chalopy whalopy china man-wasnt this sung as part of an act before or during the big band era? possibly by jerry colonna or spike jones'group-just to name a few-my mother did this rendition for me back in the 40s-back when songs were fun to sing without the "pc"undertones that permiate today-its just a cute "ditty"dont go and get yourself all wacked out!


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Subject: RE: Song Req: 'There was China Man...'
From: GUEST,pcgn7
Date: 15 Apr 14 - 04:27 PM

I learnt a variation on this 'song' from my father in Scotland in 1950. It was less overtly racist than most of those in this thread - it also had a punch line that I haven't come across in any of those I have read.

There lived in China, a long, long time ago a man with a long, long name. His name for short was: Chickaraka chickaraka chee chaye chang cho chocalorum malapaka wang oko toko idi kidi otiko idipi idipi chi yang fu.
And his name for long was Miles.


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Subject: RE: Song Req: 'There was China Man...'
From: GUEST,Guest
Date: 24 Apr 14 - 12:04 AM

Learned this in the late 1950's in chorus. We sang it at a concert, we also did "Alice Where Art Thou Going", "Gerald McBoing Boing", "It Was Sad When the Great Ship Went Down" and other old folk songs. Racist? Are you kidding? These are amazing folk songs passed down through generations. Does political correctness have to taint every thread of what the melting pot of this county has brought us? Believe me, when we performed this there was not a thought of racism. It is a cute, catchy verse that I carried over to sing to my children and grandchildren. Racism! Give me a break. We can't open our mouths without someone shouting "Racist". Is it any wonder that we can't move on and embrace our heritage. Good, bad or indifferent it's this mix of ethnicity that makes our county great. Every era has brought something different to the table. Why don't we just go out and burn all books, stop the music, and shut our mouths! If you look hard enough you will find hate in anything. How sad to live your life like that instead of embracing everyone and everything, and not accepting the past as just that; the past. Oh, and in the meantime, let's burn all copies of "Tom Sawyer", "Grapes of Wrath", and for good measure; the "Bible". As a nation we've made major mistakes (and still are), but it's our ability to pull together that makes it work. You don't have a clue!!!


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Subject: RE: Song Req: 'There was China Man...'
From: GUEST
Date: 01 Aug 14 - 10:03 AM

This
Subject: RE: Song Req: 'There was China Man...'
From: GUEST,Guest
Date: 06 Jun 13 - 12:43 AM

is very close to what my father said he sang to his kindergarten class when he was five years old. That would be 1922. His was more like:
There was a little Chinaman, his name was Chickie Chaloo Chapan.
His nose was short, his teeth were long,
And this is the way he walked along.

Chickie Chaloo,Chaloo Chapan, olopy olopy, Chickie Cholopy.
Chickie Chaloo, Chaloo, Chapan, olopy olopy Chinaman.

At last the poor old man did die,and in his coffin he did lie.
They sent his coffin to Japan, and that was the end of the Chinaman.


Chickie Chaloo,Chaloo Chapan, olopy olopy, Chickie Cholopy.
Chickie Chaloo, Chaloo, Chapan, olopy olopy Chinaman.


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Subject: RE: Song Req: 'There was China Man...'
From: GUEST
Date: 02 Sep 14 - 04:12 AM


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Subject: RE: Song Req: 'There was China Man...'
From: GUEST,Fred McCormick
Date: 02 Sep 14 - 06:16 AM

Bloody hell, is this load of nonsense still running?

There's a guy goes to our weekly singaround who insists on singing the Chinee Bumboatman with no regard for the fact that the rest of us find it racist and offensive; There's a jazz session I go to regularly, where a member of the band insists on singing a song in what he thinks is hammed up Japanese; To listen to the noises that's coming from certain corners of the press and the political establishment, you'd think the entire British Pakistani community ate under age girls for breakfast (Yes, I know that paedophilia is an appalling crime, but for Christ's sake let's confine the demonisation to real paedophiles, and then on the basis of what they've done, not to which ethnic group they belong); And now this awful racist gibberish rears its ugly head again.

Enough already. People are people and they deserve to be treated as such, not skitted at and laughed at because they talk differently to the way we do, or because they look different to us or because they are the products of a different culture to ours.


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Subject: RE: Song Req: 'There was China Man...'
From: GUEST,Daddys Girl
Date: 20 Sep 14 - 11:06 AM

Ika Chika Chickory Chan
Ika Chika China Man
Lottie Mae Cottie Mae
Dusty Oh
Willie Bee, Wallie Bee
Chinie Oh

China Man he did die
in his coffin he did lie
Sent him over to Japan
That was the last of the China man

Has anyone else ever heard these lyrics? As children, we would
hear this song if we were (as a family) traveling. He has passed
but Mother says she thought it was from a book at school.


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Subject: RE: Song Req: 'There was China Man...'
From: GUEST
Date: 05 Oct 14 - 04:37 PM

There was a man from China Town
His name was Chikka Rakka Chu Chi Chan
His legs were long and his feet were small
And the poor little man couldn't walk at all

Chikka Rakka Chikka Rakka Cheng Chick a Lawra
Hoko Poko Wallah Wallah Wap
Hoko Poko Stick him on the Ochko
Hickarai Hickarai Ee aye oh

Camp Fire Song. 6th Hove Scouts. 1980. Happy Days.


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Subject: RE: Song Req: 'There was China Man...'
From: GUEST,Guest Jimmy Haran
Date: 26 Oct 14 - 01:32 PM

My mother bounced my siblings and myself on her knee to this version:
Once in China there lived a great man
His name was Chickerachi Chicho Chan
His legs were long and his feet were small
The Chinaman couldn't walk at all.

On his stick he walked about down the street where the folks did shout:
Here he comes and there he goes the Chinaman with the monkey's nose.
He was Chickeracka Chicho Chychicalorum Conchilorum Etapica Caco Yugo Eta Kitti Cattico Ondon Chinaman ChineeGo.


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Subject: RE: Song Req: 'There was China Man...'
From: GUEST,Guest21
Date: 28 Nov 14 - 03:21 PM

I knew a rather different version from my great uncle.
We used to do pat-a-cake to it:

Chaka-racka-choo-chine chang-alang-alora
chang-alang-alora, olla-polla wax
oker toker - hit 'im with the poker - itchy coo, itchy coo - cider!

This old man he went to sea, to see the sights of Alpeny.
He got drunk, and so you see, that was the end of the poor Chinee!

Chaka-racka-choo-chine chang-alang-alora
chang-alang-alora, olla-polla wax
oker toker - hit 'im with the poker - itchy coo, itchy coo - cider!


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Subject: RE: Song Req: 'There was China Man...'
From: GUEST,Mark Joseph
Date: 15 Mar 15 - 04:39 AM

This is the song from my mother (Peggy Joyce Lodge) who was born in 1932 and grew up in Seer Green, Buckinghamshire. This would be from around the war years.

This is as I remember it:

There was a Chinaman who was very very stout
The servants could not carry him about
So they rolled him up to the top of the hill
and rolled him down with a Beechams pill

Ching ching chong chong chang chicaloram
Wiggy wiggy loram a wiggy wiggy wham, (this line really escapes me)
oko oko tiddly if fi ko
This is the way the Chinese talk


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Subject: RE: Song Req: 'There was China Man...'
From: GUEST,Guest_fanugy
Date: 29 Mar 15 - 12:30 AM

So, my grandma also used to sing a song about a giant cow with a purple udder. . . wow, they really were a bunch of insensitive bigots!


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Subject: RE: Song Req: 'There was China Man...'
From: GUEST,Guest Colleen
Date: 02 Apr 15 - 01:41 PM

once there was a funny little man his name was Chika Racka Ching Chong chan
His legs were long and his feet were small . The China Man could not walk at all.
Chika Racka Ching Chong chan chy eckamora diddypo diddypo gee enco.

My dad used to sing to me when I was a little girl in the 1950s


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Subject: want to know the whole song
From: GUEST,Jesi
Date: 08 Apr 15 - 12:15 PM

The song we sang was
    there was a little man from China town his name was Mr chicka lacka brown
    his head was big and his feet were small the poor little man couldn't walk at all
    chicka lack chicka chi chicka Lora chi chicka
    Lora wally wally wack mocha mocho
    stick him in the cocoa itcha goo itcha goo e I o


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Subject: RE: Song Req: 'There was China Man...'
From: GUEST
Date: 03 Jun 15 - 09:41 AM

My Nana used to sing this version to my mom when she was little . It went
There once was a china man his name was ch China the luchpan . His legs were long his feet were short . The poor little China man couldn't walk . Then she sang na ni na na ni na .


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Subject: RE: Song Req: 'There was China Man...'
From: GUEST
Date: 24 Jul 15 - 09:23 PM

My Mom taught it to us as:

There was an old man from Chinatown
His name was chittereye chee chi cho
His legs were long
His feet were short
This old man could laugh nor snort

Chittereye chee chi cho chigaloro
Bungo loro piggy wiggy waggo
Hoco poco hit 'im on the coco
Chittereye chittereye chee chi cho

China man had a wife
Led him such an aweful life
Cut his pigtails off so long
Sold them for a Chinese song

Chittereye chee chi cho chigaloro
Bungo loro piggy wiggy waggo
Hoco poco hit 'im on the coco
Chittereye chittereye chee chi cho

China man he did die
In his coffin he did lie
Shipped his body off to Japan
And that was the end of the China man

(chorus sung as fast as humanly possible)
Chittereye chee chi cho chigaloro
Bungo loro piggy wiggy waggo
Hoco poco hit 'im on the coco
Chittereye chittereye chee chi cho


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Subject: RE: Song Req: 'There was China Man...'
From: GUEST,Guest- Peller
Date: 26 Jun 17 - 05:15 PM

When I was a small child my mother taught us a rhyme song about a China Man named Chan. There are a few similarities that I have found on this form, but none of them really match the song that we were taught.

I have tried multiple times to search for this songs lyrics on line, but only found this thread, which is the only I have ever found that came close at all, by typing in the last verse as I know it: "one day the chinaman did die, and in his coffin he did lie, they carried him back into Japan, and that was the end of the chinaman."

My mother was born in 1934 in northern Idaho, United States of America. She was the eleventh child to be born to my grandparents, who were both born to families who immigrated from Germany to the United States prior to the first world war.

The song that my mother taught my siblings and I was taught to her by her father, who was born in 1886 in Keuterville, Idaho, USA. My grandfather Schmidt's parents had came to the United States from the part of Germany which is now Poland in 1868, and settled in north Idaho with other members of their families who had already come to the US.

The area of Idaho where much of my mothers family still lives is known as the Camas Prairie in the Idaho panhandle. The industry in this area is mainly limited to timber, and my distant family continues to run multiple sawmills and logging companies in this area. It is a very close knit community of almost 100% descendants of German immigrants, who are predominantly Roman Catholic.

The lyrics of this song, as I remember them are as follows,(Please excuse the way that I spell words in the lyrics, as I am just guessing at how they should be spelled using phonics as my guide. I never saw the song actually written out, the song was taught to us from memory by my mother- God rest her soul!)

Hiker chiker chickery chan,
hiker chiker chinaman,
lordamie, oddomie, dusty-oh,
willapie, wollopy, chine-oh.

One day the Chinaman did die,
and in his coffin he did lie,
they carried him back unto Japan,
and that was the end of the Chinaman.

(At this point the verses were repeated multiple times. If I remember correctly it was normally recited in entirety four times before it was considered to be finished.)

Have any of you ever heard of a rendition of this song which was close to this?

I really wish that I knew the source of the work, and the original song lyrics that this version morphed from.

Thank you all for your time.
God Bless!


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Subject: RE: Song Req: 'There was China Man...'
From: GUEST
Date: 31 Jul 17 - 04:59 PM

There was an old man short and stout he had two servants to carry him about he gave them food and he gave them clothes that little man with the turned up toes,
Chickili choono inginy pinky pan turn him to the east to the west I can oh no China man

My great gran mother sung this but this is all I remember she was Scottish and born 1906, nobody I've ask even knows any variation of this song


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