Big Known 60's folksingers

Subject: RE: Big Known 60's folksingers
From: Rapparee
Date: 04 Jan 08 - 06:33 PM

The Highwaymen
Don Firth and Bob Nelson
Buffy St. Marie

Subject: RE: Big Known 60's folksingers
From: Bobert
Date: 04 Jan 08 - 05:38 PM

Oh yeah, don't forget John Stewert and Eric Anderson...

Subject: RE: Big Known 60's folksingers
From: Bobert
Date: 04 Jan 08 - 05:37 PM

Pete Seegar

Bob Dylan

Pozo Seeko Singers

Peter, Paul and Mary

Joan Biaz

Judy Collins

Paul Seibel

Richie Havens

Tom Paxton

Tennessee Earnie Ford

The Kingston Trio

Johnny Hartford

And that's without havin' to work up a sweat...

B~

Subject: RE: Big Known 60's folksingers
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 04 Jan 08 - 05:11 PM

Rosie Hardman

Subject: RE: Big Known 60's folksingers
From: PoppaGator
Date: 04 Jan 08 - 04:18 PM

Joe and Eddie were great. I had completely forgotten about them until I saw the movie "Hootenanny Hoot" on TCM last year. They really stood out as the most timeless act among the entire cast; their high-energy gospel harmonies would still sound "contemporary" today.

Subject: RE: Big Known 60's folksingers
From: GUEST,TJ in San Diego
Date: 04 Jan 08 - 04:05 PM

Joe & Eddie, the gospel influenced folk duo from the early 1960's, had a powerful delivery and were electrifying on stage. Had one of them not died in an auto accident following a performance in LA in 1964, they would be better remembered.

Subject: RE: Big Known 60's folksingers
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 04 Jan 08 - 06:18 AM

Un-named GUEST - I had the honour of 'looking' after and presenting Julie Felix about three years ago at the Gainsborough Folk Festival, Lincolnshire, UK.

She was sensational, brought the house down. Her version of 'Boots of Spanish Leather' was one of the best I've ever heard - she ain't got the guitar technique of a Martin Simpson or Martin Carthy for sure, but the still breathes fire in her vocal performance! Powerful and stunning!

Subject: RE: Big Known 60's folksingers
From: Splott Man
Date: 04 Jan 08 - 06:15 AM

The Ian Campbell Folk Group

Sonny Terry & Brownie McGee

The Corries

Robin Hall & Jimmy MacGregor

Roy Harris

Cyril Tawney

Subject: RE: Big Known 60's folksingers
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 04 Jan 08 - 06:14 AM

And in the 60's Robyn! :-)

Subject: RE: Big Known 60's folksingers
From: GUEST
Date: 04 Jan 08 - 05:36 AM

Julie Felix

Subject: RE: Big Known 60's folksingers
From: Little Robyn
Date: 04 Jan 08 - 04:44 AM

He was in 1972.
Robyn

Subject: RE: Big Known 60's folksingers
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 04 Jan 08 - 03:38 AM

Jack Hudson (in the UK). (Well he's bigger than me). :-)

Subject: RE: Big Known 60's folksingers
From: sheila
Date: 03 Jan 08 - 09:59 PM

Little Robyn - Hamish Henderson was not at all rotund back in the 60s! He was tall, though.

Subject: RE: Big Known 60's folksingers
From: Rapparee
Date: 03 Jan 08 - 09:59 PM

John Denver.

Subject: RE: Big Known 60's folksingers
From: Rapparee
Date: 03 Jan 08 - 09:28 PM

Ian Tyson, Sylvia Tyson, Gordon Lightfoot, Bruce Murdoch, Bob Dylan, Richard and Mimi Farina, Phil Ochs, Patrick Sky.

Subject: RE: Big Known 60's folksingers
From: Bugsy
Date: 03 Jan 08 - 09:20 PM

Oh, and Davey Graham, and Bert Jansch, and John Renbourne, and John Pearse.

Cheers

Bugsy

Subject: RE: Big Known 60's folksingers
From: Bugsy
Date: 03 Jan 08 - 09:18 PM

Bob Dylan, Richie Havens, Derroll Adams. Bill Clifton, Derek Brimstone, Ralph McTell, Noel Murphy & Davey Johnson (Of Elton John band fame) a.k.a Murph & Shaggis.

Cheers

Bugsy

Subject: RE: Big Known 60's folksingers
From: Little Hawk
Date: 03 Jan 08 - 08:52 PM

Is no one mentioning "..............." to prove something? And if so, what? We ARE talking about Big Known 60's folksingers, right?

I note, though, that someone did finally break down and mentioned Joan Baez.

Burl Ives, I feel, was much more a 50's folksinger than a 60's folksinger. Same goes for a number of the other names mentioned, not that they weren't quite notable AS folksingers.

Subject: RE: Big Known 60's folksingers
From: Art Thieme
Date: 03 Jan 08 - 08:29 PM

As an original and founding member of the Fat Folksingers Of America, I must say that I resemble that remark!!

I carried the membership card for many years---with it's lovely drawing by Molly Swisher on the front of Wimpy about to down a huge burger that he was holding in front of his mouth. The motto, "I may be fat, but I'm not stupid" in Italian --- was boldly emblazoned across the top of the card.

To join, as an initiation, one had to go up to Odetta and inform her that she was a member!!!! Somehow, we were ALL allowed to join the group without having told her that austere fact. Nobody ever had the balls to do it even though we ALL did actually have balls. (As a result, no women were ever in the group that I can remember!??)

I seem to think this grand fraternity started at the Stevens Point, Wisconsin gathering of folksingers a few decades ago where we began another folk organization called HEY RUBE - a union of like-minded folkies trying to maximize our incomes while not selling out.

What dreamers we were!!! And, as Robert Frost once said, "THAT HASA MASDE ALL THE DIFFERENCE!!"

Art Thieme

Subject: RE: Big Known 60's folksingers
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 03 Jan 08 - 07:20 PM

Big leaving room for Empsonian ambiguity....!

Subject: RE: Big Known 60's folksingers
From: Phil Cooper
Date: 03 Jan 08 - 06:04 PM

C. Ham, I was a member of FFA. Jeff Cahill gave me my membership card, which I kept proudly for years. Walter Craft and Lee Murdock showed me the secret handshake and sign. I think Cahill and Van Mertz told me the FFA's "good news/bad news" joke. I've dropped a bit of weight since then, but still consider myself an FFA at heart.

Subject: RE: Big Known 60's folksingers
From: Stringsinger
Date: 03 Jan 08 - 06:04 PM

Big meaning huge or fat?

Or important such as Pete Seeger?

In the Sixties, there was so much going on in the Folk Scare that it would be hard
to pinpoint any people.

My choice for important: Pete Seeger, Jean Ritchie, McColl and Seeger, Lloyd, and my friends which makes my choice more subjective, Erik Darling, Odetta, Roger McGuinn,
Lee Hays, and as a songwriter, maybe Don McLean (who was innovative), Clancy Brothers and Tommy Makem, Joan Baez, Judy Collins, The New Lost City Ramblers, and on a more commercial level, PP and M and Belafonte. Gotta' include the KT too.

Scruggs and Reno, and Monroe (although I never really liked him). Bluegrass popularity
stems from these folks.

Pete Seeger blazed the trail for most of these performers and they all owe him something
for the recognition of their careers.

Jean Ritchie introduced so many to the real traditional American music. She is underrecognized as being one of the finest songwriters around.

MacColl and Llloyd were towering influences in the UK folk scene.

The Clancy's and Tommy opened the door for the interest in Irish traditional music
in the US on a popularized level. They were not the Comhaltas Ceoltori Eireann which had been promoting Irish music for years but they did so much to bring it to American audiences attention.

I think Roger McGuinn was the real innovator of "Folk Rock".

Erik influenced many without receiving much credit. His stint with the Weavers
kept that group alive during the Sixties. "Walk Right In" was a precursor of "folk-rock".

Odetta was a lovely symbol of an emerging woman's Black artist in folk.

Lee Hays as a humorist was a Will Rogers of his day. I believe he was an influence, (but I can't prove it) on Garrison Keillor.

Don McClean was more of a popular songwriter with "American Pie" (highly influential because it was the first single recording lasting more than the standard 3 minutes on the radio).

Joan Baez everyone knows about. Judy Collins introduced a high degree of musicianship
to the folk scene as a well-developed singer.

Belafonte bridged the gap between the commerical Calypso craze during the Fifties into
his stature as a Black artist on a popular level.

The New Lost City Ramblers was a major influence in the interest of college kids to
the early country recordings of the 1920's.

PPand M and the KT were widely popular and influential as entertainers representing
the idea of folk music in the Sixties.

Undoubtably there are names that for my own personal reasons, I have left out.
I won't mention them since somebody else probably will.

I think Willie Nelson is a "folksinger" in a general sense and worthy of mention.

What about "Pentagle" and "Steeleye Span" on the Brit scene? Were they influential?

Frank Hamilton

Subject: RE: Big Known 60's folksingers
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 03 Jan 08 - 04:14 PM

Whenever you mention Dave Van Ronk, you oughta mention occasional mudcatter Elijah Wald's terrific biography of Dave, The Mayor of MacDougal Street.

MacDougal Street as place to gig is also dear to memory of England's Jack Hudson, another big lad. Take a look America - see what you've been missing too long:-
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=jackhudsonvideo&search=Search

Subject: RE: Big Known 60's folksingers
From: GUEST,TJ in San Diego
Date: 03 Jan 08 - 03:50 PM

Bob Gibson's sometime ally, Hamilton Camp
The New Lost City Ramblers
Rambling Jack Elliot
The Clancy Brothers and Tommy Makem
Art Podell and Paul Potash, aka Art & Paul
Sam Hinton
The Journeymen
Malvina Reynolds (" the Little Boxes" lady)
Instrumentalist Paul Prestopino

Subject: RE: Big Known 60's folksingers
From: Alonzo M. Zilch (inactive)
Date: 03 Jan 08 - 03:30 PM

I think the bar you mean was the Kettle of Fish. It was upstairs from the Gaslight Cafe.

Subject: RE: Big Known 60's folksingers
From: RiGGy
Date: 03 Jan 08 - 02:59 PM

Alright, I was beaten to the punch with my hero Dave Van Ronk. He WAS that exquisite Greenwich Village folk scene, alway visible and accessable. That his record cover would show him singing on the stoop of the original Folklore Center on MacDougal was so appropriate. He was often in the bar next door [ name ? ] singing for free and willing to informally show the key licks of Cocaine or another of his signature pieces. I heard He Was A Friend Of Mine on Hober.com 2 days ago and broke into tears over it. There was a NJ radio station [WNJR] that aired Jerry White's folkshow on SatNites. Somehow they got into a deal with Palisades Park, across the GW Bridge from the Upper West Side, to host a folk event every week in the Banjo Palace inside, the 35 cent admission being the only charge to attend. Dave was there every week, along with Pat Sky, Buffy, Phil Ochs, and more. I was still a teenager & got so much out of just hanging out with these heroes of mine. Especially Dave Van Ronk.

Riggy

Subject: RE: Big Known 60's folksingers
From: Little Robyn
Date: 03 Jan 08 - 02:40 PM

I once stood next to Peter Paul and Mary and boy, were they tall!
OK, I'm a bit vertically challenged but all three towered over me.
Hamish Henderson was quite rotund.
Lee Hays was big too.
Robyn

Subject: RE: Big Known 60's folksingers
From: goatfell
Date: 03 Jan 08 - 01:30 PM

the corries, Gaberlunzie

Subject: RE: Big Known 60's folksingers
From: Don Firth
Date: 03 Jan 08 - 01:27 PM

Pete Seeger is pretty tall. So is half-sister Peggy.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: Big Known 60's folksingers
From: topical tom
Date: 03 Jan 08 - 12:55 PM

Tom Paxton
   Bob Gibson
   The New Christy Minstrels
   The Sendipity Singers
   Arlo Guthrie
   The Travellers

Subject: RE: Big Known 60's folksingers
From: PoppaGator
Date: 03 Jan 08 - 12:42 PM

Dave Van Ronk: physically imposing AND a hugely important artist.

Subject: RE: Big Known 60's folksingers
From: Mr Happy
Date: 03 Jan 08 - 11:50 AM

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=okK1LXHoUeo


FAB!

Subject: RE: Big Known 60's folksingers
From: Newport Boy
Date: 03 Jan 08 - 11:25 AM

Ah - if we're talking tall there was Long John Baldry. A great blues singer in his early days - I first heard him in 1957. He became big later, when he turned a bit mainstream.

Phil

Subject: RE: Big Known 60's folksingers
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 03 Jan 08 - 11:17 AM

AH! Mike was the GUEST! I get it now!
When you put Mike was the guset, Eric, I immediately thought of knickers, and thought - another reference to Natasha the Flasher.

Subject: RE: Big Known 60's folksingers
From: GUEST,squeezeboxhp
Date: 03 Jan 08 - 11:05 AM

Alex campbell
Brenda Wooton
Rog Sutcliffe
Dave Brady
Christy was on home ground in Halifax then
Nadia Cathouse
Wiz Jones/ Pete Stanley
Barbara Dickson
The Singing Jenny in Wood St Huddersfield booked most of the travelling 60s folk acts With Brian Lawton the usual MC and a vast number of free good quality floor singers (those were the days of proper folk clubs)

Subject: RE: Big Known 60's folksingers
From: Severn
Date: 03 Jan 08 - 10:48 AM

....Or one could either talk about the ins and outs of being large and singing folk, or fill out acecdotes only hinted at by the likes of C.Ham's Minneapolis post.

....Or if you're talking in terms of popularity, maybe talk of the life of those hwo achieved it and maybe shed light on the playing of bigger venues, much as the original thread spoke of the small local coffeehouses and clubs.

Subject: RE: Big Known 60's folksingers
From: Mr Happy
Date: 03 Jan 08 - 10:17 AM

.........other spin-off threads could be:

'Medium Height Unknown 60's folksingers'

'Unknown 60's folksingers of indeterminate size'

more?

Subject: RE: Big Known 60's folksingers
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 03 Jan 08 - 09:57 AM

Not necessarily... Ralph McTell - 189cms tall. Honorary member of the longinus society - according to his biography. (they waived the rules for Ralph, you should be 190cms tall)

I often think an imposing stature must be a nice thing to have. In places without a stage or a high stool to sit on, they can still see you at the back.

Subject: RE: Big Known 60's folksingers
From: Severn
Date: 03 Jan 08 - 09:43 AM

What ABOUT them?

The original thread this spun off of afforded the occaisional glimpse of a lot of good oral history (though not with the comprehensive focus that made the Merlin Banjo thread's chronicle of the Chicago scene so enjoyable a while back) and got a few old friends back in touch with each other.

This one seems to alternate between those who think big means cataloging sales figures and those shouting "Fat, fat, the water rat!".

Is somebody actually going to take this somewhere comparable to the original and discuss these people?

Subject: RE: Big Known 60's folksingers
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 03 Jan 08 - 09:38 AM

I first saw Mike Absalom and Christy Moore on the same night at the Grass Roots Folk Club in Halifax, West Yorkshire in the late sixties, Mike was the guset and Christy did a floor spot, the cheeky bugger sang one of Mike Absaloms songs as well, ' London West 14 '

eric

Subject: RE: Big Known 60's folksingers
From: Janice in NJ
Date: 03 Jan 08 - 09:38 AM

South African folk singer, actress, and human rights activist Miriam Makeba, small in stature, but a giant in the world of music and beyond. Among her many awards are the 1966 Grammy for Best Folk Recording (shared with Harry Belafonte, another giant) and the 1986 UN Dag Hammarskjold Peace Prize. At age 75 she is still performing.

Subject: RE: Big Known 60's folksingers
From: GUEST,Wot
Date: 03 Jan 08 - 09:22 AM

Chad Mitchell Trio.
Martin Carthy.
Peter, Paul and Mary.
Dubliners.
Kind of a pointless thread, but wh am I to talk, as I've posted to it.

Subject: RE: Big Known 60's folksingers
From: Rapparee
Date: 03 Jan 08 - 09:17 AM

Theodore Bikel

Subject: RE: Big Known 60's folksingers
From: Mr Happy
Date: 03 Jan 08 - 09:11 AM

Johnny Silvo, here - Yippee!


http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=_XK1MNtUUP4

Subject: RE: Big Known 60's folksingers
From: GUEST,Question Mark
Date: 03 Jan 08 - 09:01 AM

The Kingston Trio.

Subject: RE: Big Known 60's folksingers
From: C. Ham
Date: 03 Jan 08 - 08:44 AM

If I remember well, the F.F.A. was a creation on Minneapolis guys like Scott Alarik (the Boston Globe folk critic) and Dakota Dave Hull back in the 1970s. There was a membership card that featured Wimpy with a burger and a Latin motto that translated to "I may be fat, but I'm not stupid."

Subject: RE: Big Known 60's folksingers
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 03 Jan 08 - 08:15 AM

Cass Elliot - Well, she started out in folk music anyway...

Subject: RE: Big Known 60's folksingers
From: Bonnie Shaljean
Date: 03 Jan 08 - 08:00 AM

Carolyn Hester, at least in the US. Or - had her heyday passed by 1960?

Subject: RE: Big Known 60's folksingers
From: Bryn Pugh
Date: 03 Jan 08 - 07:55 AM

Ewan McColl and Peggy Seeger

Subject: RE: Big Known 60's folksingers
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 03 Jan 08 - 07:50 AM

No I missed that one, do tell!