Mediaeval songs/tunes?

Subject: Mediaeval songs/tunes?
From: Ian HP
Date: 08 May 99 - 04:17 PM

People keep telling me that my singing/playing style would be suited to Mediaeval music. I'd like to give it a try (I already sing some material that is traceable to the Middle Ages). I am looking for a good source - a book or CD available in the UK - and am finding it difficult to trace one that has what you and me might call 'folk song'. Any clues, anyone?

Subject: RE: Mediaeval songs/tunes?
From: katlaughing
Date: 08 May 99 - 04:56 PM

Hi, Ian. I don't think it is from medieval times, but our own Art Thieme sings a wonderful song about Robin Hood's death on his first album. If you put in Art's name or Robin Hood's Death, in teh DT search, it will come up. It's a really wonderful song.

Also, I have an old LP album, entitled, Medieval Music & Songs of The Troubadors, by Musica Reservata. All of the songs are in French, but it might be useful for ideas. It was from Everest Records. If you cannot get or find a copy of it, just let me know and I will dub it for you.

I also have two cassettes: Anonymus - Musique de Moyen - Age et de la Renaissance, which is really neat, and a group with Green Linnet Records, Ad Viellae Que Pourra, the tape number is CSIF1099. Don't think it is strictly medieval, but it is great music.

I hope this helps somewhat. I'd love to hear what you do, as I really enjoy medieval stuff. We have some people on here who do renaissance fairs, maybe they'll post eher, too.

katlaughing

Subject: RE: Mediaeval songs/tunes?
From: Rick Fielding
Date: 08 May 99 - 04:59 PM

If you want book ends, I recorded "The Birth of Robin Hood" on Folk-Legacy CD 123. Sandy Paton can help you find that one. Then there are about 200 Robin Hood songs to fill it all in with. Good luck.
rick

Subject: RE: Mediaeval songs/tunes?
From: harpgirl
Date: 08 May 99 - 05:40 PM

hey Ian...try music done by the Dufay Collective...in the early music section at Spec's...harpgirl

Subject: RE: Mediaeval songs/tunes?
From: Cap't Bob
Date: 08 May 99 - 06:52 PM

Ian

Have you tried Contaria a rather interesting site with some audio files. Their web site is:

http://chivalry.com/cantaria/

They have some songs dating back to the pre 1600's

Cap't Bob

Subject: RE: Mediaeval songs/tunes?
From: Penny
Date: 08 May 99 - 07:43 PM

There's a thread on Ancient Irish Songs, which might help. Sorry I can't do blue clicky things.

Subject: RE: Mediaeval songs/tunes?
From: katlaughing
Date: 09 May 99 - 12:16 AM

Penny, if you put the address in, I can do the clicky thingy. Here's one for the Capt. Bob site:

chivalry

kat

Subject: RE: Mediaeval songs/tunes?
From: Penny
Date: 09 May 99 - 04:04 AM

Is that the bit that goes /thread.cfm?threadid=10040&messages=32 after mudcat.org?

I was a bit lazy last night, or would have posted it anyway. But I couldn't find a way to just copy it on this machine.

Subject: RE: Mediaeval songs/tunes?
From: katlaughing
Date: 09 May 99 - 05:14 AM

No, unless it was a message at the Mudcat that you wanted to link to.

The address would be whatever shows up there at the top of your whole computer page, when you are at that site. You should be able to use the copy command under edit, then come back to the Mudcat, type in the commands I sent you for html link and paste in the address you copied.

If you don't want to, I'd still be happy to do it, if you get me the address.

kat

Subject: RE: Mediaeval songs/tunes?
From: Penny
Date: 09 May 99 - 05:28 AM

The thread was here, but the site that Bruce O. sent me to from there was here - http://services.worldnet.net/~pybertra/ceol/homepage.htm

My machine, with various nanny functions, won't copy the addresses at the top of the page. I've done it on the other one I've used.

I think you have sent someone else the commands. I've not been able to join under the name I've been using, so I haven't yet while I think up a solution. There's Penny in Florida, codename sail. I haven't tracked down whoever else there is.

Did this work?

Subject: RE: Mediaeval songs/tunes?
From: Penny
Date: 09 May 99 - 05:29 AM

Yahooo! It did. I used the source view. Why isn't it blue?

Subject: RE: Mediaeval songs/tunes?
From: Penny
Date: 09 May 99 - 06:43 AM

Ancient Irish Songs

Subject: RE: Mediaeval songs/tunes?
From: Penny
Date: 09 May 99 - 06:44 AM

Yeee-haah!

Subject: RE: Mediaeval songs/tunes?
From: SeanM
Date: 10 May 99 - 03:12 PM

Two words: Thomas Ravenscroft.

He's a bit above mediaeval, more renaissance-ish, but he's one of the first secular composers to get recorded. I've found a long out of print biography with a few horrid pictures of the tab, but if you can find a good musical reference library (check your local large university) you should be able to dig something up.

Also try looking for King Henry (unknown which number, sorry)... A good song that several "authentic" groups does is the "Agincourt Carol" (Used to be in the DB, but can't seem to find it... if it's still there, someone fix that please?).

Anyway, hope this helps.

M

Subject: RE: Mediaeval songs/tunes?
From: Don Meixner
Date: 10 May 99 - 04:59 PM

Ian,

Your best resource may be no further away than your local Renn Faire or Morris Mobb. I'd search in that arena were I you.

Good Luck

Don

Subject: Lyr Add: FOR THE VICTORY AT AGINCOURT^^^
From: katlaughing
Date: 10 May 99 - 07:26 PM

Here are a couple of versions of Agincourt Carol I found on the 'net:

Agincourt Carol
Owre kynge went forth to Normandy,
With grace and myyt of chivalry;
The God for hym wrouyt marvelously,
Wherefore Englonde may calle, and cry
Chorus: Deo gratias
Deo gratias Anglia redde pro victoria.
He sette a sege, the sothe for to say,
To Harflue toune with ryal aray;
That toune he wan, and made a fray,
That Fraunce shall rywe tyl domes day.
Chorus

Then went owre kynge, with alle his oste,
Thorowe Fraunce for all the Frenshe boste;
He spared 'for' drede of leste, ne most,
Tyl he come to Agincourt coste.
Chorus

Than for sothe that knyyt comely
In Agincourt feld he fauyt manly
Thorow grace of God most myyty
He had bothe the felde, and the victory
Chorus

Ther dukys, and erlys, lorde and barone,
Were take, and slayne, and that wel sone,
And some were ledde in to Lundone
With joye, and merthe, and grete renone
Chorus

Noe gratious God he save owre kynge,
His peple, and all his wel wyllynge,
Gef him gode lyfe, and gode endynge,
That we with merth mowe savely syng
Chorus

it came from HERE

AND:

1. Our king went forth to Normandy
with grace and might of chivalry
our God for him rode marvellously
where for England may call and cry.
R: Deo gratias Deo gratias Anglia re Dei pro victoria.
2. Now gracious God he save our king
his people and his well wielding
grant him good life and good ending
then we on Earth may safely sleep. R:

the last was from what looked like a good source at:

ASONANCE

katlaughing

Subject: RE: Mediaeval songs/tunes?
From: SeanM
Date: 11 May 99 - 03:50 AM

Thanks Kat... As I said, used to be in the DB. Knew someone would help out!

Gotta love this place...

M

Subject: RE: Mediaeval songs/tunes?
From: Susan of DT
Date: 11 May 99 - 07:39 PM

Have you checked out the Internet Renaissance Band site at: www.is.csupomona.edu/~jcclark/emusic/index.html I don't know how to do the "blue clicky thing"

Subject: RE: Mediaeval songs/tunes?
From: Sandy Paton
Date: 11 May 99 - 09:46 PM

I may have overlooked it, but have you looked at Bruce Olson's web page for information? Bruce's Web Page. Hope I did that right. Joe's probably still working down in Denver and isn't here to correct all of my errors.

Sandy

Subject: RE: Mediaeval songs/tunes?
From: Sandy Paton
Date: 11 May 99 - 09:48 PM

Darn! Forgot to close it off with the extra brackety thing and the "a". Oh well, if you click on "Bruce's Web Page" it'll still get you there. Ignore all the rest of the blue stuff.

Cyber-klutz

Subject: RE: Mediaeval songs/tunes?
From: Bri
Date: 11 May 99 - 11:42 PM

If you don't mind doing a bit of arranging, choir music has beautiful medieval music...I have my guitar teacher do that for me and it's usually fairly easy..or so he says.

Subject: RE: Mediaeval songs/tunes?
From: Ian HP
Date: 12 May 99 - 05:42 PM

Thanks for all your help, folks. I'll follow up the leads.

Subject: RE: Mediaeval songs/tunes?
From: Frank in the swamps
Date: 13 May 99 - 05:14 PM

Care for real source material?

http://www.pbm.com/~lindahl/cantigas/

The Cantigas de Santa Maria, or facsimiles thereof, early music, in early notation.

Francisco de Diablo Swampus.

Subject: RE: Mediaeval songs/tunes?
From: katlaughing
Date: 13 May 99 - 05:30 PM

el Diablo Swampus! I luv it! Here's the link for easy passage:

Cantigas de Santa Maria

Katalina de Felina Jocularia

Subject: RE: Mediaeval songs/tunes?
From: Sapper_RE
Date: 14 May 99 - 07:32 AM

Try the British Group, STRAWHEAD. They have recorded seval albums of Civil War (our Civil War that is, the one with Cromwell) and medieval songs. Very Good. Bob.

Subject: RE: Mediaeval songs/tunes?
From: T in Oklahoma
Date: 18 May 99 - 01:29 PM

IanHP: What was the medieval melody you were trying to trace ? T.

Subject: RE: Mediaeval songs/tunes?
From: Susan-Marie
Date: 18 May 99 - 03:35 PM

Ian - see also a previous thread, an excerpt from which is below (I don't do blue clicky things either). Peter T had some great suggestions.

Subject: RE: medieval music??? From: Peter T. Date: 12-Nov-98 - 03:30 PM

Dear Susan- Marie, There are a range of different styles and types of music covered by the "Renaissance "music label, especially in England, because the political and cultural life was in some turmoil at the time. There was a lot of church music -- what would become hymns and independent church pieces called motets -- which you can usually hear around Christmas coming out of the mouths of King's College Choir, Cambridge. Some of the star authors are Taverner, Byrd, and Tallis. It is not music to everyone's taste -- but there is something called the 40 part motet by Thomas Tallis you might want to hear at some point -- it is a bit like hearing a warp in the space-time continuum. Anything on CD by the Tallis Scholars along this line is accurate and beautiful. The secular music of the time includes popular ballads and the hot new style from Italy, which was the madrigal. English stars include William Byrd (again), Orlando Gibbons (again), John Dowland, and many others. A lot of this is lute music. A good collection of sung madrigals is "English Madrigals" by the Quink Vocal Ensemble. There is also a lot of Byrd on records by the "Consort of Musicke". If you get interested in the whole period at all, you should look out for any records by David Munrow and the Early Music Consort (He died some years ago, but the records are among the best ever). There is lots of dance music (instrumentals) by Praetorius, which would grace any cubicle. David M. and his Consort did a good record of that stuff too, but I don't have the title in my head.

Subject: RE: Mediaeval songs/tunes?
From: GUEST,A Minstrel
Date: 15 Jun 10 - 04:19 PM

Where can I find chords for this song? ( meaning Guitar )

Subject: RE: Mediaeval songs/tunes?
From: Joe_F
Date: 15 Jun 10 - 06:10 PM

The monks used to sing a lot. Carmina Burana is widely available. I have a CD called "A Medieval Christmas" by the Boston Camerata, Elektra/Nonesuch 71735-2. I have a pleasant booklet, _Seven Love Poems from the Middle Latin_ translated by Diane di Prima, "mostly sung", she says, but no tunes given. Here are a couple of stanzas from different songs:

Non de longo conqueror obsequio;
remuneror stipendio,
letor leto premio.
Dum salutat me loquaci
Flora supercilio,
mente satis iam capaci,
gaudio concipio,
glorior labore.

(I do not complain how long the wooing took. I am richly rewarded; I rejoice in my prize. When Flora greets me with eloquent eyebrows, it is enough even for my mind, which is able to hold much; I relive our joy; I glory in that toil.)

O quam felix est
antidotum soporis,
quot curarum tempestates
sedat et doloris!
Dum surrepit clausis
oculorum poris,
gaudio equiparat
dulcedini amoris.

(Oh how blest is sleep the antidote, how many storms of grief has it stilled, how much sorrow! When it creeps through the closed gates of the eyes, it equals the sweet joy of love.)